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Chevy Ford Wo's Wednesday, May 30, 2007 • read strip Viewing 151 comments:

ALT: I reject the lazy convention of writing Asians as swapping Rs and Ls

So much more positive this way.

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Welcome to Fun with Phonemes!

Ultra Peanut swapped her Rs and Ls.

"philippe, i pick you frower from outside!"

Seems to me that all the Asians we've seen in Achewood's world are unusually abusive.

No one wants to be the one to posit that this is accurate outside of Achewood as well.

This is accurate outside of achewood as well.

Seriously, they are not high in social graces if they came from an asian country to america. But they also have the right.

One alt text said his wife was Chinese. Was that for real or was it a joke?

Regardless, if all Chinese people in the strip are abusive, then...

Man what in the hell am supposed to be like some alienist from 1908 jesus

I accidentally lamed this. Goddammit. Sorry.

Shit happens.

Chevy is Ultra-Peanut's father.

Totally.

Urrtra-Peanut is an otter. Chevy is a cat.

Ultra Peanut had an exaggerated Chinese accent, Chevy's accent seems exaggerated Vietnamese to me.

Although it is a Sichuan restaurant. But that doesnt necessarily mean anything.

so shouldn't it be phirippe?

FeeReep, even.

Fee-reep

She was Japanese. This guy's Chinese. Learn the difference, it might save your life. (Or your dinner date...)

But Ultra Peanut is Chinese. In the first strip she appears in, she says "Ni Hao," and the alt text even says "It's Chinese."

The mountain line does not work on ladies. I just tried.

Aww man, you should have tried a furious looking ding dong.

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It is so perfectly in character for Beef to just take all these insults from the restaurant owner.

I got the impression that Beef and Chevy have known each other for a while, and that they are something of friends. I figured that, ya know, it was just buddies messing with each other, and Beef doesn't even bother to respond, cause they aren't even insults. Like, Chevy wouldn't call him fuckface if they didn't go back a while, so its like saying, "hey buddy!"

totally. its mainly a thing of dudes to use aggression in the place of affection.

Does Chevy have two pairs of eyebrows?

wrinkle face

It would seem he does.

Odds of Beef not getting married to Molly are now 1:100 against and falling, I'd reckon.

"Half-hitch for a brain" and most of Chevy's dialogue from panel 5 earn honorable mention from me.

I believe that "Chevy Ford Wo" is a reference to Edsel Ford Fong, the rudest waiter ever to bring an order of chow fun to a diner. (His brother was named Henry--his dad dug Fords, apparently.) Fong held court at Sam Wo , an exceptionally cheap Chinese restaurant in Chinatown, San Francisco. I went there a while ago, and have little to add to the reviews in the links (not having visited in Edsel's heyday) except that, well, you see that dumbwaiter in the second link? It's manually operated, and the waitress on the second floor needed to signal to the kitchen when she wanted to send down empty plates. She did this with a buzzer, and she didn't use a button to activate it--she touched together the bare ends of two copper wires.

The report of the San Francisco Department of Public Health may also be of interest.

I think you're right! Especially since Onstad is from SF :) Edsel passed on about 10 years ago but I ate in Sam Wo's a year ago and his son (I think?) is carrying on his tradition.
I think if Edsel were here today, he would appreciate the homage of being an asian stereotyped cat.

What about the irony?

Ironing is an asian stereotype.

Woah! Is that the same Sam Wo's that Conan O'Brien kept making jokes about when the show went to SF?

I was taken to Sam Wo's recently by a friend, who told me that the last time he was there with friends, the grumpy old waitress had taken their order and said, "You wan' beer with that?"
Yes please, they replied.
"You go buy across street."

"Odds of Beef not getting married to Molly are not 1:100 against and falling..."

I dunno. Onstad is a clever bastard. He could be overselling the marriage thing, so that when Beef gets stood up at the aisle we're all sent into such a spiral of angst and depression that our only available solace is the mass-consumption of Achewood merchandise.

Changing my rating of this strip from a 4 to a 5 after reading this brought the overall up to a 4.1. Kudos to you, sir.

??? apparently i lamed this comment two years and i have no idea why

Chevy Ford Wo wished a woman would have stopped him from eat a dog food in a sewer. Sad times Chevy, sad times.

Roast Beef did not eat a dog food in a sewer the last time Molly left. He did, however, eat a chicken thighs in white gravy in a trailer , which is nearly as bad.

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probably chinamen

I love how Beef's nails are always cruddy because he must bite them all the time.

came for the proposal,
stayed for the ancient chinaman cursing out Beef.

yooo fuckface!

chinaman is not the preffered nomenclature, dude

the chinaman is not the ISSUE here.. also, dude...

he's gonna need those won tons

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element!

Asian-American, please .

'and ...buddy, where ya been?
the term is Asian-American

and i know you no intending to be----
but calling me 'oriental'..
offensive to me.


thank you, Avenue Q.

Now you're talkin' Ching Chong Wing Wong.

translation:
'thinking with portals'

not even a man, man

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That's a good way to put it. I agree.

I dunno, if he wanted to fake an Anglo accent you'd probably be less offended. I know I would be. Having the only Asian characters represented in a stereotypical way though is probably less than representative. Pfffft... it's a comic.

Chevy's banter seems perfectly good-natured to me; affectionate, even. But I feel stoopet not knowing why the cabin is on fire.

The cabin burning is the mortality of the MAN - slowly burning out.

No man is an island -- he is a fishing cabin.

perfect.

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theyre often true, so shut the fuck up, bitch.

you're both idiots

It's funny to me so many people are upset by the phonetic arrangement of this chinese food proprietor's speech, yet so few were turned off by Onstad referring to his child's birth as witnessing "a dead booger that learned how to scream". It's gotta be hard for a guy like this to gauge public perception.

Personally, this gets a five from me.

I just imagine Onstad shouting each sentence 20 times in a thick Chinese accent to phonetically transcribe it. Must be awkward if you have Asian neighbors.

chubby for the interesting point of view.....

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If Chevy Ford Wo is based off of SF's Edsel Ford Fong (see tellumo's comment way above), which is extremely likely, then it's not racism. It's just a chari"cat"ure of the speaking patterns and appearance of a person who actually existed. I'm all for calling out racism, but this isn't it, guys.

nothing funny can ever be bad

my parents actually had this rule for me as a kid.

as long as it was funny, I could say and do whatever I wanted.

I forgot to add I also apply it to others. Jokes are jokes, if I laugh, it's great.

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I think the racism that people percieve is the "perpetuation of negative stereotypes" I think..because the Chinese guy has a Chinese accent? This perpetuates..the stereotype that Chinese people have Chinese accents?

I'm personally racist against scottish people because I assume they have Scottish accents.

Diplomacy is a tough tattle.

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This being Acheworld, your mistake will recieve a dozen chubbies and your correction a dozen lames.

And what the hell is going on in second picture on the left side? Are the North Koreans testing missiles?

that's... that's a burning fishing hut.

dude...where did you find this woodcut? It's the exact one illustrated by the cookie. It's like being inside Chris Onstad's mind (I imagine)

The mountain was easy. The hard part was finding a japanese woodcut of a burning building. Microsoft Paint carries me home.

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I'm commenting too much on this one, but I have to say this. How awesome would it be if white folks started referring to themselves as Occidentals? Awesome? I think so.

Or Oxidentals.

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And I'd rip new arseholes on those who ripped on him.

Taking the piss out of other cultures is perfectly natural. Those who can't tell the difference between genuine racism and light-hearted mockery clearly need introrectal stick-removal surgery.

i always assumed that, were this live action, ray would be a black dude.

Alright. I NEED some reassurance- is it just my computer's settings that keep me from seeing this? Or have you all lame'd into oblivion the woodcut where you CAN see the house on fire, and chubby'd the one where you CAN'T?

Yes. If your reaction makes you look a lot more like your icon, all Lego minifig w/ steam rising from yr head, then I think that's quite reasonable.

If... if you want to, you can find the address of the picture that's still here under properties. The house is visible if you bring it up in its own window. :-(

Oh, I didn't even see that! Man, I hate the way this thing just arbitrarily truncates images without even putting you on notice. The fact that they give you a scroll bar that doesn't even scroll all the way across the image is a special touch. I can see how you don't want to let griefers post massive images just to make the page wider, but that scroll bar business is pure Marquis de Sade.

Anyway, yeah! Now that I see the whole thing, I actually like the first image a lot better. Props.

or you can just right click and select view image

big props to chris for the awesome storyline. consistent funnies!

I completely missed when representing a foreign accent became a racist thing to do.

Well I'm not too invested in this, so let's not battle, and i'm ignoring the word "foreign", but since at least "The Birth of a Nation". The problem is that "dialect-typing" often goes beyond anything like transcribing phonemes, and starts to exist just to signify the outsider status of the speakers.

Even when it is just accurately transcribing sounds, it isn't *neutral*. As an example, most people who speak something close to a recognizeably "standard" form of American English don't make any "t" sounds when they say the word "little", but only certain variations ever merit a dialect-signifying change like "lil".

But just to reiterate this isn't a post intended to start a fight. I don't think the practice is inherently racist exactly, just that it isn't neutral.

Chevy Ford Wo: (says in a heavy Chinese-American accent [imagine if you will a tendency to pronounce "th" as a long "s," difficulty fully articulating "l," misplaced prepositions, incorrectly tensed verbs, and the frequent placement of the object of a sentence before the verb])Is this Neutral?

Stagger Lee: (In a Southwestern American accent--widely agreed upon by news professionals as being accentless regardless of the fact that it still differs from British English or "true" English in that Americans will often "clip" words or run them together e.g. "onna" instead of "on a," and usually pronounce vowels more quickly and without the drawl similar to the Southern American accent--different, of course, in that the British will pronounce the consants more crisply while Southern Americans will tend to carry the vowel into the consonant) Yes.

Chevy Ford Wo is a dick.

Chevy Ford Wo is your god, bitch.

Wouldn't it be great if Ramses Luther showed up at Beef's wedding -- after all, he appreciated Beef's help to Ray during The Great Outdoor Fight. Maybe the "he finds you dude" will finally surface.

One year later, the prophecy comes true.

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your mom is a fucking skinhead.

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Don't pretend that you don't try to pronounce it Ching Chong style just because it is spelt differently.
If it was spelt "correctly" then you'd just end up pronouncing it in whatever non-phonetic way you normally pronounce it, and it would therefore come out wrong.

its there to represent the persons accent and vocal inflection. duh.

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You shouldn't call something racist without explaining why you think it is. Most of us are just sitting here confused by your take on this character.

Isn't he married to a Chinese woman?

This being said- yeah, I did think the accent was a little over the top. Unless this guy is supposed to be 1/3 oriental, 1/3 Indian, 1/3 deep southern (here becomes hea)

it's not really over the top at all. my friend's mom is from China and talks JUST LIKE THAT!
Have any of you people taking offense to this ever been to a Chinese restaurant for fuck's sake? All this is a just a hilarious facet of the diversity found on the planet.

Are you suggesting Chevy Ford Wo has three parents?

It is a fact that that is how they reproduce in China.

Oh cut it out with all the racism banter. It is a fact that some Asian people speak with an accent. Chevy Ford Wo is one of those people. C'mon, don't!

*note to non-chinese people: please stop being offended on our behalf (not that i speak for all members of my race, me being a mongrel)

*note to any actual chinese-americans who are offended by this strip: lighten up.

As a chinese-australian gentleman, I found the dialogue given to Mr. Ford Wo by C.O to be simultaneously hilarious and true. I don't think that Onstadt is intimating that all asian people speak like this at all: clearly this is simply a gentle parody of an angry, abrasive, yet ultimately wise waiter character. moreso since it is apparently based on a real person. I have personally heard many chinese people speak like this, especially those of the first-generation immigrant variety. then again, many do not.

this is just a funny strip, guys. don't read more into it than is there.

we could even propose some kind of Pat award for being upset where it's none of your damn business?

SO many people here would win Pat awards.

And on an unrelated note, Asherdan is owed a backlog of Pat-awards for his contribution to the entire comic commentary.

And on a more related note, I'm owed a fair backlog of Pat-awards myself.

I was reading this and "When I'm Sixty-Four" started playing on my computer... SCARY BUT TRUE
OK, I was listening to Sgt. Pepper's... but it was coincidental!
Also, this reminds me of the "Rita" reference, how it plays when they drive? XD

enter the wu-tang (36 chubbies)

Heavy accent humor kind of went out with Joel Chandler Harris.

I am, however, digging on Chevy's hairdo, implying as it does a mountainous stash of Butch Wax stockpiled sometime in the late 1960's.

I guess Blister is oversimplifying somewhat

this was one of about 3 strips in the acheverse that actually touched me on a personal level.

also I think Onstad was modelling Chevy's accent after the floating restaurant guy in the 5th Element

If you are one of the people crying "racist", I didn't lame you. But I do disagree.

Ray has said the "n" word once, even though it's never been established that Ray has a particular "race". He always professes to be French, if you'll recall.

The KKK, when they called Beef looking for Jamie the science friend, used the word in reference to a Harvard minstrel show. Though, that is the KKK, it's not uncharacteristic of them to use hate speech.

Envelope Martinez, Latino Health Crisis, Mantonio...all used hispanic dialects. Thick ones that altered the spelling of the words.

I guess what upsets me about people screaming "RACIST!" at the top of their lungs is the fact that they either A) haven't said a word before because they either didn't give a shit or felt it was perfectly fine or B) are only speaking up now because they think this is something new.

To the Bullhorn person up top who actually referred to Chris Onstad as a skinhead; what the fuck? That's not fair at all.

It's a character, ladies and gentlemen. The character has a thick accent with broken english. I'm willing to bet nobody's sending angry letters to Gede Watanabe from "UHF" over his karate instructor character, or over Long Duk Dong from Sixteen Candles.

Seriously, all of you, lighten up. If you really think Chris Onstad is such an awful racist, then go elsewhere. I'm willing to bet, however, that Onstad has been personally hurt by all these hot accusations that are pretty much baseless.

I thought the skinhead comment was a joke... other than that I do completely agree with you.

WHATEVER

ONSTAD DOES WHAT HE WANTS

How is Chevy's accent racist? I live in the American midwest and get made fun of all the time for my accent--by other Americans--of the same race. Is that racist? If anything, Onstad is a regionist...or regionalist...or something like that. And that hasn't even been established because he doesn't portray Chevy in a negative manner.

What the HELL people?

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Honestly? Is nobody going to call this except me?
Ok: as per the skinhead comment- Godwin's law. Game over.

Phonetics aside, I'm proud that Mr. O broke free of that whole Asian cats must be Siamese thing. Man's a goddamn pioneer.

As long as sideways pussy doesn't show up, I'm fine.

chris sup sorry 2 bother U but sum ppl said U hate Asians. I hope that iz not Tru cause I got azn peeps.

Nooooo why did I run out of chubbies on this page exactly at this comment?

Stragely enough, I did too.

Oh my god this is the perfect comment to say ever.

I love Chevy's haircut.

Would it be racist to phonetically represent, say, a stereotypical Texan accent?

Same thing.
Shut up.

howdiy'awl.

i think "howdy, ya'll" works just as well...plus we don't cram our words together.

Weel yoo still nee mee, weel yoo still fee me, when I sixee-foh?

I have a lecturer who teaches about materials.
One day, he said "Belyrrium". I don't understand why.

5 for that fortune alone, if only the real ones were as enlightening.

Yeah absolutely. That is the main thing that I take from this comic. The rest is support for Beef's decision, and a continuation of the storyline, but the fortune is the real deal.

Forget bauhaus, you really have to reach for a Tales of the City reference.

ALT: I reject the lazy convention of writing Asians as swapping Rs and Ls
>> especially since it's really only Japanese that do that

Being single for a long time is a lot like eating dog food in a sewer.

I would like to thank Chris Onstad for rejecting lazy writing conventions.

Thank you, Chris Onstad.

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hmm

would an asian cat find cannibalism acceptible?

For some reason I cannot read this strip without hearing the Chinese guy's voice EXACTLY like the City Wok chef in South Park. :D

respek. he sounds like my mom