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Deconstructing Ray Smuckles. Wednesday, November 26, 2008 • read strip Viewing 1619 comments:

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He taught me lessons about learning about life - and I'm achieving those goals!

Onstad is on a book tour.

LEAVE

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It seems like you can say anything and achieve that.

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sorry. that was me. i couldn't help it.

A chub to show there is no hard feelings except the one in my pants.

not so much chubby as obelisk-esque.

Daaamn. Blastradius says almost the same thing at the top of the page that I did down towards the bottom. I got a few chubbies, he gets lamed.

How come?

(I wasn't trying to bitch, I guess?...just stating that it'd probably be best for all if Onstad stopped setting these deadlines.)

Cause intentionally posting as high as possible is kinda a dick move.

I was wondering when someone was going to grab that spot.

Fuck you, Nazi.

Ohhhh, if it's cool with you
I'll let you get naked too
It could be a dream come true
Providing that's what you are into
Is that what
You're into?
Him and you
In the nude?
That's what he's prepared to do
Is that the kind of thing you think you might be into?

You me and Stu!

Let's do this, it is what I'm into.

Uh my name is Stu, I think I am missing a reference to something else.

ah damn i thought they liked me.

Do you have a hot roomate? Lets do this!

I have a hot roommate in my pants

Actually I do have a hot roomate.

That is one hella phallic Hammacher Schlemmer shoe buffer

It's happy to see her


That's how you know that a robot's ass is bad.

chubbied for ambiguity!

It's like a Rorschach test except with Lie Bot so you know the results are bound to be all kinds of screwed up.

What do you see?

WHY FIND OUT

Daaaaaaaamn

It's happy to see everyone.

gettin lewd with two dudes with food...

hopefully not where this is going

Instead of continuing to quote lyrics, let's just all say that we enjoy and recognise the work of Flight of the Conchords and leave it at that.

I appreciate what you are doing here, but you are going to have to reconcile, eventually, with the fact that any unfortunate turn of phrase hereafter is going to spark a Pavlovian reaction involving contextless recitation of something we are generally familiar with.

Ah, I see you've used this "internet" before...

I hear they have that on computers now

the Innernette?

Damn, www.internette.com is taken. That could have been worth trillions in the hands of some tampon manufacturing concern. Curse you, link farmers!!

isn't the term domain squatters?

On computers, but I've only had it 20 years and it's already dilapidated.

But it takes away all the fun -- the old hand-cranked Internet was more fun, and the quality was better, too.

internet... is that the thing with the email?

alright i'm on it

How do I work this mybook thing? This electronic email thing?

you guys I just found a hilarious video:

https://www.allyourbasearebelongtous.com/flash/

damn i miss that shit.

Oh Man.
I just had a major flashback to 2000. All Your Base Are Belong to Us was the hit song that was sweeping the nation and everybody was doing a dance called the Funky Grandpa!


I was going to re-post this on a more leech-friendly host, but Tripod is kind of iconic of the earlier internet days in its own way...

None of that new fangled Internet for me, no sir! I'm all set with my compuserve and DARPA-Net!

(Hey, did you know that for only $500 I can buy one of these new CD-Rom platters with all the phone numbers in America on it! WHAT a DEAL!)

Absolutely not.

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Posting ever-so-slightly relevant QC strips, for example.

"Oh, come on. You know you've caught me doing worse things than this!"

As I no longer fear the lames, I will go ahead and say I think the "Flight of the Conchords" are terrible.

What would Connie do if this happened and the video ended up on the Spice channel and he had to subtitle it?

"The lass assumes the position on the table, much like a lewd centerpiece at some garish Las Vegas hotel. On the table come her two compa-...I FIE UPON YOU, RAYMOND SMUCKLES, AND YOUR INCONSPICUOUS 'WORLD WIDE WEB CAMERA! FIE UPON YOU AND YOUR CYBER-SHUTTERBUGGERY!"

Severe property damage via cricket bat ensues.

"Cyber-shutterbuggery" is so boss.

Like George Eastman making a series of action photos with a Brownie and then flipbooking it on a YouTube video.

George Eastman? You mean that ugly-ass cannibal from Anthropophagus?

It has hell of Style, Belgand. We should all do it.

(Please note that this endorsement is not merely my normal reflex to applaud buggery, wherever I may encounter it. I sense a whole new form of artistic/pornographic expression emerging here.)

lol, emerging.

In what manner do you sense this emerging form?

Personally, I sense it via my telepathic wicked sac. Your results may differ.

delightful on several levels!

I love this song. It's omission on the Album is horrible.

I get this reference!
Chubby!

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You don't want word getting around that a high chubby/lame ratio is your deal.

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yea, i didn't think you said anything really incendiary. in fact, it was mildly clever.

here's an exercise: make a list of your top ten favorite assetbar posters. check your lames. if none of them lamed you, it doesn't fucking matter.

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set lames to 1

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Good job on the avatar/comment synergy.

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i guess he kept from getting lamed by not givin' a shit.

Not givin' a shit is known to bestow supernatural powers against getting herpes, kids and/or Lames.[1]

References
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1. Achewood

2. This Guy

an uncited footnote?

somewhere, chicago style is crying. AP is standing there, just watching.

is so poignant.

Oh, I'll just edit my post to include the footnote and then it'll be awesome.

Oh wait, I forgot. I CAN'T.

Quote:
an uncited footnote?

When it is a hot link, does it really need any citation?

Funny, this post is on the first page of results for "uncited footnote" on google...

I think they're referring to how item 2 isn't referenced in the article text.

That is funny. So I'm Google-famous now! Or at least my Pogo avaticon is.

What's even funnier is that the bit of text under the link to this page from Google now includes "Funny, this post is on the first page of results for 'uncited footnote' on google..."

Nice! Plus it's up to result #3 now. There are going to be some confused students out there

They will click on the link, out of curiosity. They will be utterly confounded by the monstrous list of comments that seems to accompany a strange webcomic where cartoon animals talk about making the sex and Jesus's loaves. They will explore further, intrigued. And they will never finish that paper.

My work here is done

I always love reading that strip because it contains a comment from me that got a lot of chubbies which I always forget about, and then I read it and feel warm inside, then kind of dead inside because I realise I'm feeling validated by the idea of forty-four complete strangers laughing at something I said, then I remember that that's actually a pretty cool thing to happen.

I am really into "Daaaamn, that answer could use some work."

I just want you to know I chubbied you. I assure you that one of my chubbies is worth at least 10 anonymous lames. The fact that it does not show up as such is the result of a bug in Assetbar that I have been told their best engineers are working on.

I WAS REALLY HUNGRY JEEZ


once i was reading Penny Arcade, and the strip wasn't even particularly funny, just two dudes standing at a water cooler talking about somebody dying. one of them had on a shirt that says "I LIKE PIE" and i just snapped . like i just suddenly needed pie like i've never needed pie before. so i went to the fridge but of course i had no pie. so i had some leftovers instead. this is really uninteresting.

That reminds of of Revenge of the Nerds.

that reminds of of? Did you text that in? Can you do that?

I just had me some apple pie. Mmmmmm Thanksgiving.

You should really keep some emergency pie around. Even if it's only one of those Hostess Fruit Pies (which, I'm told, were also very useful in foiling most of the main crimes of the 1970s) having an emergency pie is pretty important.

I keep one in my earthquake kit (it is the only item).

Yeah, I didn't even lame it. I have no idea. Maybe people thought you were trying to first and just reacted out of random fear?

I thought it was clever. Then it was gone, and I knew not of what you were gnashing.
Van Gogh was lamed too.
Someday that comment will be worth millions.

Thank you. I really appreciate that.

Yeah, I chubbed you too. Liked your comment and all.

...am I going to get lamed for this?

No. I'm going to give you a chubby. Then I'm going to chubby a theguitarhero. Then I'm going to scroll down the page and chubby the first person I see.

Then I'm gonna masturbate to ladies going to the bathroom. Not that that's my deal or anything.

Hey, is it like a thing to be into ladies who are deaf?

I totally think this is a thing, but an ok thing.

Yeah, deaf ladies need love, too.

Also, I think they'd be louder in bed... You know, like, when you're listening to something on your headphones and trying to say something in normal voice, but end up shouting? ... yeah, deaf ladies, man.

You know what I love? I'm hearing impaired, so I ought to be horribly offended by things like that. YET I'M NOT. I find it absolutely hilarious.

Mm, if that sounded sarcastic, it wasn't.

(Oh yeah, and I say "hearing impaired" not as a politically correct term for deaf, but because I have only partial hearing loss.)

What?

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Can it, Rush.

They're talking about *cough* you. Feel free to take that jar home. You've earned it.

Political Correctness is a concept that predates Bill Clinton.

But we already knew you were not a source of useful information. Or correct information.

mentally challenged? differently abled? brain broken? dropped on the fake tile flooring by your irresponsible father from a height exceeding three to four feet?!

I think you were a bit offended, tbh. At least you didn't give me no chubby, that's for sure.

No I wasn't.

But they gotta pay!

i... feel... obligated to!

i'm sorry for laming you.

oof, out of lames! i have rolled a one on laming you, and you are now the victor.

Fumble, roll a percentile.

Pray not to get 01

*01*

You hit yourself to the head, You die


And that was the last time he ever played the game.

(Some guys take alter-ego death just so personally!)

Well, usually people believe that assetbar is less of a race and more of a discussion about the comic. I'm just throwing out ideas.

So you utterly destroy someone who is just trying to say a thing?

Who still believes that?

Why did you have to bring race into it?

Once you get that reputation, you do not get to have other reputations, even if you receive millions of chubbies annually.

Or if you receive millions of chubbies anally.

That is an amazing mental image. I hope everyone else is getting it.

At first, I caught myself wishing I was better at Photoshop so I could craft an image the likes of which Assetbar has never seen. After a second, I thought about what I was actually considering doing, and realized my folly.

Perhaps someone with greater testicular fortitude than I will step up to the plate? Only time will tell.

Recycling: Making up for both wicked sack syndrome and photoshop madskillzz.

Did...did you just use comic sans in an Achewood edit?

He used it ironically, because the Prince is such a joke.

let's... hope so?

we know so.

Oh, that's what it was! I was wondering why my mind went blank and all I could see was a white hot flash of fury.

It's so damn fucking hard to convey anything clearly with this font.

Given his avatar, it seems fitting.

Actually I just changed it so that it would. And as an act of penance.

You can be really hungry, too.

Just wait a while. All in good time.

Me too. But dinner is soon. And turkey day is tomorrow, so heaps of bland food is yours for the taking.

By the way, has anyone listened to the new TV on the Radio album, Dear Science, ? It's excellent.

Oh, and I don't really like this girl. She is really judgmental to Ray. She is tryna be funny I guess, but to me she comes off as kinda condescending.

And it's supposed to be Dear Science . Sorry.

Anyone can basically say the same thing about Ray. It's not condescension (the spell check says it's a real word), it's observers of Ray.

Yeah to me it sounds like something Beef would say. I think Polly's just callin' it like it is.

I kinda think Polly is just trying to fill the badass shadow of Cornelius, at times. At least it gives the dude an opportunity to flex his verbosity.
And to be honest, Achewood is a comic about dudes. Onstad never seems to be confident with the ladyfolk.

Not that this isn't brilliant.

I don't think she is "trying" to fill the badass shadow of Cornelius.

I think that's who she is.

After all, if she were just a poseur, wouldn't that be immediately evident to Cornelius? Isn't he far too Badass to let something like that just slip past him?

I agree with this. People keep asking if maybe she could be a gold digger, but Connie's too sharp and bad ass for that.

I like her. It's about time Achewood had a woman with sass who isn't a total cunt.

Achewood has become a comic about sassy woman.

Maybe his daughter is growing up?

Achewood is still a comic about a baby, just later.

Achewood has become a comic about teenage sex.

Hell, I knew I came here for a reason.

Achewood was always a comic about teenage sex. Fundamentally, all of society is about repressed teenage sexual urges and our inability to successfully act on them as we wished to or having acted on them to a degree that the rest of us could only have dreamed of and living a life consistent with that in it's many ways.

Is that why I am attracted to fifteen year olds?

I haven't had teenage sex in 14 years. What's wrong with me?

I haven't...ahh, forget it.

Guys, I have a confession.
I . .. I am a virgin. A virgin in college. Yes.

*ashamed*

Meh, whatever. I was a virgin until I was very close to 20.

21 counts as "close to 20", right? How about 22? how long can I wait and still make that claim?

19 and in college, but then I slept with a girl who was 17 and still in high school so that evened everything out.

It's totally crazy to me that the age of consent in California is 18. I mean, 16 seems pretty reasonable to me. I could even see it going down to 15.

I'd do a 16 year old; I'm desperate and accepting enough. 19 really isn't that much of a difference and I don't like the fact that having sex with someone a year and 5 days younger than me makes me a pedophile.

Well, that's where the issue lies. It's more about differences in age with someone below a certain age than anything. If two 15 year-olds want to make with the sexy time I think that the law ought not to get involved with that.

If I had a child I would (as I say now at least, having no child and desiring none ever) have no problem with them inviting over members of the opposite or same sex to engage in sexual congress in their room or to spend the night so long as they kept the noise down. No threeways until 16 or orgies until 17. You need to have some limits.

Ultimately your kids will have sex if they want to. The smart thing is to let them know that this is totally normal because you did it (or wanted to, but couldn't manage to make it happen) and everyone else in the history of humanity has wanted to do the same damn thing at that age. If they want to fuck someone they're going to do it. Might as well let them do it in their own room and be comfortable about it.

Honestly though I don't think any person that has been a parent for 16 years would say "Have sex" like you say you would. You can say "I'll be the cool parent" but 16 years of parenthood (plus those horrific early teenage years when we all thought we were the coolest, most mature and important people ever), you'd change your mind.

I realize that, but I also think it's important that you remember what it was like to be that age. I never did anything to get in trouble, didn't smoke, drink, or do drugs or really anything else that I can think would be a problem or that I regret having done.

I also never thought I was the coolest or most mature person ever. I didn't have a rebellious phase either. Frankly, my mother was so controlling and smothering that until I went to college I didn't have a chance to go through any of that. Even at 27 and having moved 2,000 miles away my mother is still having trouble letting go. During college she'd drive two hours and just pop in without even calling.

It is important to remember what it was like, but it is okay to be a hypocrite about sex. My friend told me that when he is a parent and if he smoked, he would not discourage his child from smoking, even though it is harmful to the kid's health, because then he would be a hypocrite.

Everyone wanted sex at 13, but it doesn't mean they are even close to being prepared emotionally to handle it...or pregnancy for that matter.

It's OK to pass on useful things you learned from your own mistakes. I don't want to be a dick and say I didn't make any mistakes, but I can't think of any major ones that would provide a valid learning experience for me to say "yeah, I did this and it was a terrible thing and you should really trust me and not do it".

Me, I wanted sex in Kindergarten. I can't explain it, but I never had the "girls are icky" phase, I just jumped right into the "I would totally like us to get naked together" phase.

Ew. Sex between 5 year olds. Ew.

I don't seem to mind my parents' hypocrisy, or what I see as hypocrisy. They never tell me they did Things when they were younger but I mean, my mom at least was pretty popular back in the day, and my dad is four years older than her, so she was the cool kid dating a senior, so don't tell me they weren't at the very least drinking before 18 (back when it was 18). By contrast, I've never had more than a middle-school girlfriend (you know what I mean: lasts a week, kind of awkward around each other), I made out with a girl once and I only started drinking late last year (freshman year). But anyway, my parents are both extremely sensible people and I have so far not regretted any of their parenting skills or decisions. Maybe a few years ago when I was a bit of a little prick, I would have, but in retrospect I can say they are very very good parents, compared to lots of other people my age and their parents. Maybe in a few years when I'm all moved out, I'll ask them about their WiLd TeEn YeArS and see if my claims hold water.

NV, also I don't fucking care.

I AM THIRTY AND I FUCK TWELVE YEAR OLDS.

So you're also not having teenage sex? We should form a club. You can have pre- and I'll have post-.

Does it count as teenage sex if you're not the teen?

sje I have an urgent job for you

Well, by "close to 20" I meant 19, a couple months from turning 20, but whatever.

I AM very close to 20, and I hate it when people beat me.

Join the club. Folding chairs are in the corner, next to the bowl of dirty magazines and lube.

Let me tell you all, I have HAD chances, I just...ahh, forget it.

Most virgins my age don't really care about being virgins. I, for some reason, care a LOT. Not about the sex, but mostly because lack of girlfriend. Most virgins at least have had a make-out session by my age, and it depresses me now.

I have not had the chance.

Most virgins I have known and been at your age actually care a lot.

Expect for those religious virgins.

True, but they care a lot about being virgins so it all works out in the end. They will also, likely, have either wild, stupid, uninhibited, perhaps sickeningly hot sex when they finally break down and go for it in a really dangerous and ill-advised (but did I say how digustingly hot and awesome it will be even if they think that a fun size Doritos bag with a rubber band is appropriate contraception?) or they will have the most dull, frigid, terrible sex you can ever imagine when they get married to some equally dull person who thinks that getting undressed is foreplay.

Stereotypes are such a time-saver. Though, in fairness, the last I read statistics did point to abstinence pledge types having sex at around the same time as their peers, but doing it in very stupid, dangerous ways.

Those ladies fuck like ladies who fuck really hard.

I've been getting desperate lately, when I came THIS close on Halloween. Fuck, I reveal way too much to faceless strangers.

you should reveal a little more, maybe a shoulder?

an ankle.

I was dressed as Quailman, so she saw my underwear. Well, my friend's, because he had briefs and I didn't.

So exposing yourself to strangers without faces doesn't get you laid?

That is the shittiest glory hole then.

Oh way to bring faces into it. DICK!

Belgand would cry, but he can't even do that because he doesn't have a face

you... uh you aren't a teenager and haven't been for a while?

Forteen, that was a year...

you really are getting a lot of lames for no apparent reason. is it because you are not really the guitar hero?

I am a Guitar Hero, the last of my kind. I watched my people get wiped out in the Guitar War.

While you hid inside a kick drum. Real Hero.

Yeah but then I went around through time and the kick drum got turned into a purple tour bus and it was stuck like that.

I am beginning to understand the lames

ho ho, zing

Why? Because I made a reference to Doctor Who?

It depends which Doctor.

Well the reference to the kick drum getting turned into a purple tourbus but being stuck like that is from the 1st Doctor, but the Time War isn't even mentioned until the most recent incarnations, I think.

I don't understand why it matters, the point of the matter is that I watch the show and LOVE IT and if I had access to the older series I would watch and love them too, I don't see why loving a show would get me lames.

Netflix has many of the older shows available, many of them set up so you can watch them online.

Don't have a Netflix account though, don't have the expendable cash right now to get one either, even though I want one. I haven't worked for two weeks.

give me your physical address and I will mail you a human hand missing the pinky a ten dollar bill.

there are many bad doctors and only two good doctors. If you really don't see how loving a show can get you lames you haven't been round here long.

Well I mean I don't see how loving a show that I would think would be universally loved by this niche in the Internet would get me lames.

How do you feel about the most recent iterations of the Doctor?

I really liked the guy from the first year. He was my second favorite, after Tom Baker.

The current guy is OK, but no more than that.

Tom Baker, then John Pertwee. I think he was the second.

I thought Baker was the second Doctor?

Tennant is leaving after the specials which makes me really hope that they show them stateside, and with Moffat taking over as director I have high expectations.

WAIT. Baker was the Fourth. Was Pertwee the second then?

Googlepedia tells me Pertwee was the Third.

I have, at present, the past 33 episodes just sitting on my TiVo completely unwatched. I'm over two seasons in the hole. I really need to deal with them too as they're taking up a ton of space.

Played with heavy emphasis on the wah-wah.

Funny you should ask, nabeel. I haven't listened to anything else all week. My mind is blown.

I think it's just all right. Not as great as their previous work. I was slightly disappointed.

Then I'm in for a treat. All the press their first two major albums got made me want to forget about them without ever having heard a song. I call it "Yeah Yeah Yeahs Syndrome." Plus I think Pitchfork said they were good or something, and that always make me look the other way with a quickness.

Anyway, there're some beautiful-ass songs on Dear Science. That's all I know for sure.

Yeah, I remember when TV on the Radio's second album came out the music magazines were practically jacking off onto the page with their reviews, which for a while made me think the album wasn't that great even after I listened to it. But it grew on me over time.

This one I haven't read any reviews for, so I went in fresh but still felt it was pretty middling.

Also I like the Yeah Yeah Yeahs; have you heard their EP Is Is? It's really awesome.

Well, the second stage of the "Yeah Yeah Yeahs Syndrome" is the part where I eventually end up liking them after everyone shuts up about them for five seconds.

I agree with Tekende. And they can't play it live yet, nor do they know how to configure their sound for the larger venues they are now forced by their popularity to play.

Boredom is the only force compelling me to argue with you about this, but they certainly can play it live .

Shit is spot on.

unfortunately, i probably put my sentence bits back to front. That is good, but it's for a TV studio sized room with sixty people in it. Put them on a stage in a 2000 capacity hall and it's all guitars and flailing.

Yeah, I can see how that could be possible. I've never actually been to one of their shows, so I can't say.

beautiful ass-songs ?

What?

Wow. What you call "Yeah Yeah Yeahs Syndrome" I call "My Attitude Towards 90% of Music."

I heard he hates music!

Chubbied only for the MSPA avatar.

Yay! I think everyone should probably read or should I say experience it. The damn thing doesn't even have a wikipedia page. Be warned that it will take you a lot longer than you think to get to current.
www.mspaintadventures.com

Man, there is really some horrible crap on the innernets.

like you

That was hardly called for.

you were hardly called for

TRUFFLE SHUFFLE!

Like your momma

Return to Cookie Mountain will always have a special place in my heart, but I am totally fine with this more accessible work. It's fun, but still feels real and life affirming.

wolf like me anyone?

mucho gusto that album, yes yes

For your meat-nerding convenience:
Sous-vide

Sous-vide (pronounced /su vid/), French for "under vacuum", is a method of cooking that is intended to maintain the integrity of ingredients by heating them for an extended period of time at relatively low temperatures. Food is cooked for a long time, sometimes well over 24 hours. Unlike cooking in a slow cooker, sous-vide cooking uses airtight plastic bags placed in hot water well below boiling point (usually around 60°C or 140°F).

Rollerskate alert - "Clostridium botulinum bacteria can grow in food in the absence of oxygen and produce the deadly botulinum toxin, so sous-vide cooking must be performed under carefully controlled conditions to avoid botulism poisoning"

Oh shit she's going out Botox style! All stuck in her pose from panel 6

I had visions of Ray running around the kitchen, frantically flipping through the pages of the latest book from Keller or Blumenthal...until I remembered that his chef with the bogus green card could probably read Adria's latest cookbook in its native language.

If this is an Adria recipe, there is a conspicuous lack of foam...

If she's a stripper, she could probably teach Adria a thing or three about foam.


Foam

Thanks! There's no way that I can un-know that fact now.

You didn't know that already?

I read about it in The Coast , pretty much the main such free magazine back in Halifax.

Santorum totally sounds like a substance, so the name stuck. The whole punishment motive didn't hurt either. Nothing like having your family name suddenly become synonymous with "shitfoam".

Yeah, I remember when the contest was going on and now it's this huge thing. Oddly, the eventual decision was not originally the one that I preferred. I can't remember what it was now, however, in retrospect "shit-lube emulsion" is a pretty wicked thing to name a dude. He totally earned it though. You have to be a real dick to have people enjoy watching your young daughter cry.

Ray just hits up Wikipedia Platinum, dogg. Ain't need to send no six hundos to Homeland Security this day and age

Sigh.. I hate it when I have to reason behind closed doors...

The bathroom part is actually pretty normal.

Just sayin'

There is a difference between wanting to see a lady in a state of undress - such as in the shower perhaps - and wanting to see her evacuate. The latter is definitely not the sort of thing you would likely be happy knowing about yourself let alone having word get around to others that it was your sort of thing.

There are special websites for that sort of thing.

I've always kinda wanted some sort of bowl mirror or camera or something so I can see how clean my nether regions are. I'm not flexible enough to look at my own backside :(

stereo: "to my chagrin, to my bafflment, to my mortification, i always discover in the bottommost seam a pale and wispy brushstroke of my shit. oh, doctor, i wipe and i wipe and i wipe, i spend as much time wiping as I do crapping!"
doctor: "stereo, i am sorry that you are a jew."

On the scale from marbles to grains of rice to grains of sand to "leaves a mark on the paper" I'd say I'm worried about something between rice and sand. It just sticks in the periphery and I don't notice until I sit down.

My feelings on this ass hair are: Con.

Dude, I totally agree. Ass hair is my number 1 argument against a benevolent, loving god.

i've been told that perfectly bald cheeks rubbing against each other without insulation isn't any better. the system is flawed

i just screamed and had a daymare. holy hell. being a lady has never been so nice.

Yeah man, it aint no fun to shave neither.

How do you shave your crack, exactly? I mean you wouldn't want to be waving a razor blind down there. Well maybe some of those folks daedala_x likes posting links to would, but not most of us.

It seems like it would be better to get it waxed. Or maybe "less worse" would be more accurate.

I guess you would need to use a mirror.

No mirror, I know my body.

The awful part about getting a wax is not the pain. The pain is negligible. It's just socially awkward, to say the least.

Now, think of being a man and having your (most central) ass hair waxed. That seems like it would up the "socially awkward" ante considerably.

My roommate had it lasered. By his mom. How's that?

I'm hoping with a Star Wars blaster.

Inconceivable?

Girls may have way less bum hair, but they still have it, and it still gets waxed...

Well you do it in the shower, you just put up a leg and lean forward a slight bit.

Yeah.

Fucking Gross.

Would not a bidet help to deal with this problem?

I was convinced a while back when I read someone saying that they found it odd that people would wash their hands, but be content to merely wipe off with a wadded handful of paper.

The inherent rightness of this statement struck a chord with me. I cannot imagine how we are not properly washing our nethers.

This is why Wet Ones are now a staple of my shitting experience. I don't know how I lived without them for so long.

Also, I don't wad. I fold. Gently. Precisely.

I can't believe I have thoughts about this conversation. With my last wisps of dignity I am going to refuse to post them.

Someone has developed (or perhaps only prototyped) the idea for a system of reusable warm, slightly moistened rags to be used to cleanse yourself. There is a box into which you place the old, soiled ones and it cleans, sanitizes, lightly moistens, and warms them to be used again. This is supposed to save paper.

I think I can see the point of this, but wouldn't the machine use more non-renewable resources? I mean, I get the idea of not just wasting paper all the time, but we can regrow trees y'know.

Ohhhhh.....a warm Wet One.....

Sign me up.

Rowboat, these are stunningly easy to arrange, often at no cost to you beyond perhaps a few drinks, a little conversation...a rub-rub here and a rub-rub there... Why, you'll be all spit and polished in no time.

OK. But who pays who?

For more details: see Uncle Monty in Withnail and I .

We all pay the bartender. Being a whore is far less profitable these days.

Hey everybody!
belgand doesn't know how to use the three seashells!

chubby for Rob Schneider making fun of Sylvester Stallone

The relationship is only tenuous that I would not understand their usage.

In fact, I actually [i]do[/u] know how to use the seashells. Apparently there was some on-set discussion about the issue and it was decided upon and eventually came out. Two are held together, much like chopsticks, and used to pick away larger matter while the third is used to scrape.

Now don't you dare be implying that my seashell usage is in question.

Haha, belgand doesn't know how to use the BBCcode.

actually i saw the brackets and my mind changed the word for the computer, like you did it just perfectly

Wow. I don't even know why my brain hated me there. I wouldn't have wanted to underline there even. At least both were valid BBcode.

It will only help if stereo ain't too mean. If he is, the bidet shoots water to his nether regions in a mean way .

Sadly, most people are still more comfortable polishing their own posteriors than trusting a scaled-down, room temperature old faithful with the job.

Also, https://achewood.com/index.php?date=06282007 .

Yoink!


... apparently titled "The Apricot Washer"

(Stolen from linked page)

I do my shitting in the wrong hemisphere, apparently.

The Apricot Washlet, bending space-time to transport your hindquarters to outer space where waiting spacecraft decorated with 'W's shoot you with laser-targeted streams of cleansing moisture.

Starfox?

Looks like it to me.

One must wonder what sounds would cause Ray to destroy a radio in such a manner.

The Cure?

I think it is only because he is Done listening to the radio.

A report on how Andre Agassi is good-looking , surely

I don't get the panel with the radio. What is the deal.

I think it is his shoe buffer. The frame is acting like a segway to Ray's portion, I believe.

Oh OHHH I thought buffer like a buffer zone, or a door stop or something. Sheesh. Hate me please.

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU!

THANK YOU

GOOD TALK EVERYONE

It is an overly technical and ostentatious device for shining one's shoes. Let me ask you something in earnest: Have you ever shined a pair of shoes?

yes

Daily.

My dad is 70 years old, and he doesn't bend over so good. He has a while-you-are-standing-up shoe buffer much like the one pictured (although it is not a Hammacher Schlemmer product). It greatly facilitates his ability to keep his shoes in a well-polished state.

My father is no more ostentatious than any other man who was born before WWII.

Is your Dad's buffer in his foyer?

Is Ray unable to bend?

Is Ray your dad?

I admire your "If a=b, b=c, then a=c" logic there.

I do not see an actual syllogism there.

Ray buffs his shoes. His dad buffs his shoes. Ray may be unable to bend. So I think therefore PDQ in ipso de facto equals but not more than or less than: Ray = his dad

I didn't say I admired his "true" logic, just that I admired where he was going with it.

I love you guys.

Ah, I see.

You missed "His dad doesn't bend over so good."
A is B A is C R is B R is C does not imply R is A though. :/

hey assetbar, I hope those plus signs were delicious cause my post doesn't make any fucking sense without them.

TASTES LIKE LOGIC

SMELLS LIKE TEEN LOGIC.

Here we are now! Making graphssssss! A and B Now Equals Ccc!!

Without plusses/ It don't make sense! Here we are now/ Can you read this? YEAH dundundundundun HEY dundundundundundun

He's the one who likes all our silly graphs and he likes to chubby us and he likes to smile and laugh but he knows not what it's like to lose your plus.

I fold.

I respect that.

I respect your mother's vagina.

Oddly I always thought that the chorus was "he don't know what it means" which yields the exact same meaning, but also has several key words shifted around in place. It is odd.

I always thought it was "knows not what it's like" and when I play it on Rock Band I'm pretty sure that's the line...

It's "knows not what it means".

yeah, that one, not what i said.

Was that three Cs, or like when you write "Heeeellllll yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah"?

the second one. it's hard to translate cobain's snarl into textual format.

A picture of him would work.


CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC!

does this make more sense?


Aw man that is vile.

Those are some logical titties.

apparently, irondave's dad would hit that intersection...

Biff's Dad.

THESE Dad's?

I wanna meet that dad.

I know you like your bologna soft, but you gotta keep that stuff ice cold!

you are correct, irondave...
The Venn diagram of me correctly deciphering the posts above, and of me using firefox with assetbarista this time would look more like boobs in a wonderbra...

Lifted, and separated.

...just enough room for me to fit in this Chubby.

I saw a venn diagram of her in the Aug. '07 issue

I prefer tassels to stars.

I want to make a picture for you, but I am at my job and have noone to hold the camera.

I can see them, its cool.

well it was very nice anyhow, stereo. gold star!

This is more or less every wrong answer on the LSAT.

The only way in which Ray is superior to my dad is the extra zeros in his bank statement. In every other way I prefer my dad, even if he has never won the Great Outdoor Fight.

I realize that my answer does not explicitly address your question, but I feel that it does an adequate job of addressing it implicitly.

Oh, and by the way, when I go to Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow afternoon (later today), I won't mention to my dad that we were discussing him on an internet message board.

Much less this message board. How would you explain how a whole bunch of people, arguably highly articulate, clever, well-educated, etc., devote so much time to the affairs of imaginary alive stuffed animals who live in an underground world somewhere in the East Bay?

No matter to whom I try to explain Achewood, I find myself reduced to a dithering otaku fanboy geekness that nothing can salvage. I can't imagine trying to explain Achewood and the Assetbar to my father, who were he alive would be 81.

This reasoning is essentially why my mother knows very little of my personal life in general.

Actual Conversation Today
(NB: I have tried to turn "War and a musical" from this comic to mean blow something out of proportion.)

Me to sister: "You're the one who turned this into a war and a musical!"
Family: Hahaha
Me: I cannot take credit, that's from Achewood.
Family: AcHeWoOd?!?!?
Me: Yeah. This rich cat named Ray decides to drink a glass of milk by wearing 50s style clothes and sitting on his stoop, and his friend, a stuffed bear named Teodor, comes by and makes fun of him using Vietnam and West Side Story. Ray then tells him he's turning it into a war and a musical.
Family: :|
Me: :[

In explaining Achewood, I explain the first reference then meander in an effort to tie up loose ends ("Molly is a Welsh cat who died in the 7th century and Beef met her when he died I think the first time."; "Todd is a coke-addicted squirrel." etc)

Just CLAIM it man, that is why He writes it for us. Just claim it sir.

I can't do that, because I have a mountain of my own material and people need to know what is Mine and something I Got From Somewhere Else. Also, is Onstad your god now?

And of course, 2 days later, I mean 17th century.

Just omit the non-pertinent details. Neglect to mention character names and such. Just reference the conversation itself as much as possible and they will be more likely to be amenable.

They live on the Peninsula, not the East Bay. The East Bay is, largely, a land of wind and ghosts.

Then the Peninsula is a land of chilling fog and happy cows.

Man, I live in the land of fog on the Southwest side of the city. It is almost always foggy and cold here. I mean, worse than the rest of the city even.

The Peninsula, at least, was smart enough to build along the bay so it seems to generally be warmer and they have real summer down there and everything.

Basically I am willing to come down on any of the suburbs. Oakland, for point of reference, is a suburb as is San Jose. Perhaps suburb is wrong. They are pretenders to the throne. Cheap, venal princes trying to plot and doing so rather poorly. San Jose, though, is very suburban in it's way. Too modern of a city and it developed along the predictably suburban manner that such later-development cities often have.

San Jose is like every business park in the world built next to every car dealership, with traffic lights that don't work when I drive through, and substandard tacquerias. I'm told there is some there there but I think I got off on the wrong exit. Oakland, though, is delicious. It's a city that wants to punch you in the face and then buy you a drink. Cheap, venal princes is only half-right. It's also crazy.

That is the most actual description of San Jose I have ever heard.

The Ismuth is a land of disconcerting sleet and frustrated goats.

Do you mean the isthmus?

you're an isthmus

No man is an isthmus.

Seriously. It is like he just planned to get up today and be as uninformed as possible. Pogo is a gorram archipelago and we all know it.

Isthmus be my lucky day.

All I was trying to point out is the fact that the device, in and of itself, is not ostentatious. It is only in the application of the device that ostentation ensues.

Ray's application of the devise is the epitome of ostentation.

Fair enough. At least we got a choice Venn diagram out of it.

It almost makes me want to draw another one. One with more sinister implications.



Didn't work out exactly as I hoped but good enough.

I think the problem was you chose colors based on the assumption that it would eventually turn chubby green.

just set it to one.

No. The boy needs to learn humility, Martha. Don't contradict me.

Alright Arthur. Do you want a sandwich?

he didn't even get the RIGHT shade of green he didn't SAMPLE, ma, he didn't even sample the right shade of green, ma!

Must be a browser issue, cause it matches chubby green perfectly on my end.

Let's see: I can see two shades of green where you can see only one. Whose browser has an issue?

Also, "your end" includes not only your browser but your eyes, which may be in sore need of a plug-in or patch.

This comment got dumber and meaner as I went on; I almost canceled it.

It matches perfectly on my screen.

I use Windows SucksP, the latest version of Firefox 3, and a really crappy monitor.

I too see one green.

Well, there's both 100% chubby green and approximately 25% chubby green. On a white background, they show up as different colours, but on a chubby background you end up with 100% chubby green the whole time.

Try this on for size:


You're confusing people who think you're talking about the invisible set of people who didnt chubby the comment, that's hidden by the chubby background.

You're confusing me by saying everything you just said.

I can explain that too, but it would be impolite.




Hi! It looks like you're having trouble uploading an image! Can I help?

I made the background red so you could see the secret bit of the picture! Don't worry, helping you makes me feel virtuous.

Yes, I am talking about the visible circle not matching ... thank you for identifying the source of this mystifying cross-talk. Now what do I have to do to make you fix your avatar?

The top left circle has a partially transparent white fill, if that's what you're referring to. To be honest I dont know what you're on about.

AVATAR WILL NOT BE CHANGED.

You just ended a sentence with two prepositions and thought it was okay because you're British.*

*Or trying to sound British.

"On about" is ok because it's a phrase, but if he had said something like "at with" I would've jumped through the screen.

I know, I was just being a jerk. I think "no ending a sentence with a preposition" is one of the most over-cited and least-understood rules ever. Often the real complaint is not the location of the preposition, but that the preposition is just surplusage - "Where is he at?" And with questions, the alternative is just so stilted - if I can't ask "Who is he with" am I supposed to way "With whom is he"? I'd much rather have someone ask me "which bag is it in" than "in which bag is it?"

I think I've heard it's an old schtickler rule from Latin, and I don't mind the last two examples you gave ("With/in") but I break into a cold sweat when I hear professors say "That's where it's at."

I got two turntables and a microphone.

After this thread of conversation, I am dead centre of that diagram.

There are some things up with which I shall not put.

I can never see things at my end. That's why I just use my eyes.

Chubbied for feeling bad about saying he may need an eye patch.

Wait, this is very clever.

When I realized all of the things going on in this venn diagram, I decided it would be silly not to give it a chubby.

So, your father is at least not more ostentatious than these men:




I'm fairly sure that's Orson Welles, but why am I reminded of Bill Haley?

Because of a problem?

"Wah Mistuh Smuckles, these shoes're the shahniest ah evuh seen! Gon'a mek meh place hans on mahself, ooooh lawdeh!"

Rrrrrrrracist!

Do yo hav fired chicken or purpal drank plz ?

A racial stereotype I don't understand.

Haha, black people like fried chicken and grape soda!

Dude who the fuck doesn't?

Seriously, and why is that negative?

Grape soda is an abomination. We need a hell of a lot more pineapple and mango soda. Strawberry and orange soda are also both pretty awesome in their own ways, but lord spare me that terrible grape soda.

NO FUCK YOU Grape soda is one of the best fruit-based sodas, orange being the best. And FUCK pineapple. NO OPINIONS ALLOWED. GRRR

Honestly, I think most of those non-mainstream sodas are non-mainstream for a reason. Sure, the exotic flavors look great, and some of them even taste good when you first open the bottle. But consider that their sugar content is usually around 38 grams, far more than regular cola (28g) or lemon/lime stuff (24g). I couldn't care less about the health effects, but this is just too much, to the point where it's no longer refreshing. And when, inevitably, it loses its carbonation and there's about 1/3 of the bottle left, the stuff is basically a disgusting syrupy goo, whereas regular cola is still somewhat drinkable.

Fanta Orange is pretty good. Fanta Lemon is even better, but I've only seen it in Europe.

Nope, Jarritos pineapple is some of the best damn stuff ever. Pineapple is pretty close to the top for best fruit soda flavor. Then maybe orange. I'm big on mango, especially that Arizona Iced Tea kind that comes in those pounders, but it's not really at the top. Strawberry is next and then we get Grape. Grape is so low and so terrible that it and all artificially grape-flavored things need to be banished from this plane of existence.

I would love to try coconut. Tropical fruits are almost always just plain better than other fruits. Then again I have never tasted something that was too sweet, but I have almost no tolerance for something that is sour.

You tend to see these flavors more commonly in non-American brands too so I don't think your opinion holds as true outside of the US. As above I see tons of Mexican sodas in Pineapple and Mango all the time. Then again they also think that Tamarind is somehow enjoyable in any form. That is not right.

I wish I could eat more pineapple, but like tomatoes, my tongue is hella sensitive to the acid and I get a sore mouth :/

Arizona's Mango thing is the best soda I ever had and you can't 99 cents for those huge jagundala cans they give you.

I remember drinking it back in the mid-90s when it was "Mucho Mango Cowboy Cocktail" then they got rid of it and I was sad for a while. Now it's back and it's cheap and big and awesome.

Actually, the shop down the block has it on special: 2 for $1.50. Mmmm... even cheaper mango soda.

They sell Fanta Lemon in the States too, but only in two liters I think.

Fanta Orange is not my favorite but for some reason I was on this Fanta bend for a few days, culminating in me having probably a gallon's worth one day this past summer at Six Flags. I'm certain it's what made me freak out when we crossed the Verrazano Bridge at night.

When I lived in Chile they had this Quatro beverage, grapefruit soda. Now I am in love with Cactus Cooler, Oranger Pineapple Blast. I am in love with it, I am its husband.

We have grapefruit soda in the US too. It is Fresca.

ah damn, i don't really like Fresca that much.

Also I don't really drink soda ever, as it ruins my insides.

I don't like carbonation really. This makes me odd.

I don't favor carbonation in sugar water.

But beer just isn't beer without carbonation. And life just isn't life without beer.

More for me.

I agree w/ the P and M sodas.

I'm fairly sure the scraggly dude on Time is Cthulhu manifested in human form:




SCRAMBLE FOR THE BILLIONS OF LIVING SOULS

Graarr!


Is that blood, vomit or egg on his face?

It is....scaly, dessicated, pre-molting reptile skin.
You should read up on H.H. Aside from that abomination Scorcese made starring what's his name.

He set the bar high for eccentric, plutocrat whackos.
Or low, depending.

It his beard! Howard Hughes is the beans! Everyone needs to love him! Rl'yeh!

They're both......... [run away, run away NOW!] ...Chubby Cheekers?

OHHHH



OHHHHHHH

What the hell it exists?!

Not only that, here's the original image I think:


The plot thickens.

That's what YOUR MOM said to ME last night.

When we had SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.

Lets just says she has plenty to be thankful for.

That it didn't take all that long or that you didn't cry too much afterward?

That...that it was...

oh god i'm so sad now, you know...

Why can't it be both?

Much to my employer's chagrin, no.

Once because my dad showed me how with his old school shining box but I forgot how and I haven't since.



The guy from GoodFellas; I get it. They killed him, which they shouldn't have, because he was a made man. What happens?? What do they do?? Who gets whacked?? WATCH TO FIND OUT.

Not just any guy. THE guy.

I just wondered how much a thing of the past this practice had become.

My dad still has his old school shining box, the one with the shoe-holding device on top.

It is older than I am.

Believe it or not, I just applied shoe polish to an old pair of cowboy boots.

(I am dressing up as Johnny Cash tomorrow so I had to make my boots black.)

alright, I am asking it before anyone else gets a chance.

Why are you going to be Johnny Cash tomorrow?

Shit was so Cash.

I focus on the wing-tip... the only thing that's real...

Maybe he has the blues and it's the only way he knows to Get Rhythm.

But, yeah, I want to know this story.

World is surprised to learn the Johnny Cash discography is actually some shoes.

The years we spent ramming those things into record players/CD players/into DATA FORM.....

Mr. Venn diagram for an avatar (handface that!) was a little black shoeshine boy in a past life

For a talent show type thing wherein I sang a song I had written in Johnny Cash style.

YES
AWESOME

"I was a man on fire..... but now that fire's out..."

These devices are misnamed shoe polishers . they are really shoe buffers, and provide no service whatever (unless it is perhaps masturbating the housecat) if the shoes are not already possessed of adequate polish.

...Connie?

I ONLY reason behind closed doors. I get all embarrassed when I do it in public.

Yet, that is exactly what we see you doing here.

No, the internet makes us all voyeurs.

Somewhere in the basement/den of an unassuming mid-sixties ranch style in the third largest suburb of Cleveland, zoom sits behind closed doors.

The water heater drips around the corner, and a dog clacks around in the kitchen upstairs.

There is a Mountain Dew can on the floor, behind the computer desk, on top of a tangle of wires.

The hard drive whirrs to life for unknown reasons and settles back down.

It gets chilly in the basement, and zoom has an afghan his grandma made him years ago wrapped around his shoulders. His wife will be back from the church meeting in about a half hour.

voyeurz? witeturtle ru naked..??

This totally made me think of the scene in Election where he is watching the porno in the basement.

I... oh god, I can't recall the title of the imaginary porno. I want to say "Touchdown!", but I might well be wrong. AAHH! My pedant power is failing me!

FOR FUTURE SCROLLERS: SAMUEL L JACKSON MARKS THE BEGINNING AND hopeful END OF
GENDER RELATED FLAME WAR 17: THIS TIME IT'S ABOUT PRIVACY ISSUES?


DOES HE LOOK LIKE A...

Shut yo' mouth.

But you always leave the window open and I have to watch you reason from across the road. With binoculars. And night vision.
So maybe it's not so much that I have to watch, as I've made it a very important part of my...rituals.

i really enjoy watching Zoom too because 10 year old girls playing together makes me Happen to myself.

Oh yeah, that's right, do the elbow trick...
mm-hm

I have never watched Zoom or even heard of it before in my life but after following that link I became intrigued, and spent like twenty minutes Googling and YouTubing and finally learning how to do The Elbow Trick. Hooray!

For the lazy, but mildly interested... Arm Trick Instructions

A comment left by theirateturk was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by woodenteeth, emosexy, I_Love_Kate)

whoa, her accent is awesome.

What the hell, where did you find this?

Are you not in the private BH google group, elbox? That's where we share all the BH links as they are found.

Also, a green Nano? Hmm not sure about that...

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO THIS IS SO NOT COOL NO NO NO NOW I HAVE TO DELETE THIS YOU FUCKER

Oh my God literally I cannot describe how creepy and weird it is that you found that and then proceeded to post it all over here. Seriously what the fuck is up with that. I made that video with the intention of sharing it with the dozen or so people that read my blog.

Ugh, ugh, seriously, stop it. Jesus Christ.

Instructions for setting up Heccibiggs Platinum Reserve .

1) TheIrateTurk's Highest Rated Strips:
Spy-Ware
Rating: 5

2) stumble upon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfgN7HWub0A

3) Continue to peruse Achewood / Youtube comments

4) A bunch of names I don't recognise your name

5) coupled with

heccibiggs posted:
Ahhhh hahaha. I was wondering if people would see that and figure out it was me.

(Actually you'd have to be really fucking stupid to not figure out it was me.)

But, it's not so much an encryption of my YouTube username as it is just my name with the initial letters of my first and last name switched round.


6) Click user videos

7) Find blog

8) Blog does weird widescreen thing

9) Screencap Upload

If I knew you'd waaaaaaaaaaaaay overreact to something you placed in the public domain and was a couple of clicks away from something you merrily (and openly) discussed here I would probably have obscurred the blog name. But you didn't so I didn't.

If I could go back and change it, I probably would. I don't like upsetting people.

A comment left by heccibiggs was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by TripperDay, HolyQ, cromar)

OK:

1) I didn't watch the video for more than about 8 seconds
2) You're adamant that I'm acting out of malice but there was no harm intended
3) I am apologetic
4) I think contacting you on a medium outside of assetbar (as you suggested) is worse. I conduct all my interaction with people from this board on this board, or on the Facebook board
5) I'm not going to argue with you
6) Here is a picture of me looking fucking ridiculous as some sort of penance:



7) I trust that this settles the matter

vchub, dude.

Awwwwwwww.

Classy.

Such style, such class.

Did anyone notice that judging from the background, the Turk is apparently some sort of millionaire playboy?

I already picked that up, from the single rose and mole beside his eye.

Plus, he buttles impeccably. No one would suspect he is really a secret agent for Her Majesty Heccibiggs.

Wait.

Now, I'm confused. Are....are You the Stalker?

Haha apparently I'm selectively blind, I didn't see the rose, just the leaves. I thought he straight up attacked a bush with his mouth.

Quote:
I thought he straight up attacked a bush with his mouth.

And if you've never attackeed a bush with your mouth, you don't know what fun is!

chill
the
fuck
out.

if you leaked any more pussy nougat you'd be a quimarello.

So sorry, but you posted it on the internet.

Haven't you seen all the PSAs?

If it is on the internet, anyone in the world can see it. Freaking out because people view video that you post on the internet is pathetically naive and naively pathetic.

I am sorry you are stressing about it, but good god, what did you expect?

A comment left by heccibiggs was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by TripperDay, HolyQ, motts)

The argument is that you lost the right to get uncomfortable about people watching your video when you posted it on the internet.

The argument is that it is baffling to me that you could feel that your privacy is being invaded when people view a video that you posted on the internet.

If you didn't want anyone in the world to be able to see your video, you shouldn't have posted it on the internet.

You do know what the internet is, right?

This makes me said, because I had actually been wondering what your accent sounds like. Like, I automatically imagine all your posts in a standard American girl voice and then I think "wait, that's not right". Unfortunately, my stalker skills were not as impressive as turk's.

It's okay I saved the flv so that you can all see her in all her glory:

https://www.iratethoughts.com/heccibiggs/25/vvvvlllllog.flv

Quote:
I'm the one that's been made to feel uncomfortable here, but it's my own fault, right? Oh, what was I thinking, making a video blog and showing it to a few of my friends. What was I thinking.

Anyway, cheers guys, now I can't make any more ever again because I have to be constantly wary of anyone here going to YouTube and searching my username to check out my accent or to see if I'm as cute as my avatar portrays or whatfuckingever.


People searching for your username on YouTube probably should be the least of your concerns, compared to this: your Assetbar profile links directly to a LiveJournal that has the vlog in question embedded as a post on its first page. No searching needed.

If you're using your blog/LiveJournal/whatever as a mechanism for communication with a small group of friends, it's probably best not to link to it from Assetbar, which has ~10,000 readers (based on compete.com's guesstimate of monthly unique visitors).

This is a separate consideration from the ethics of posting screenshots of someone's vlog on Assetbar, which does strike me as creepy.

I had no recollection of putting a link in my profile but now that you've reminded me, it has been subsequently removed. So thanks.

You should also avoid putting up posters of yourself around town because someone might get really weird and creepy and say "Have you seen those posters of heccibiggs around town?"

That's not even slightly what's going on here.

This is getting boring. Assetbar is becoming more of a chore than being fun. I come here to have a laugh talking to all of you about stupid shit, not be creeped out and made fun of and told I have only myself to blame because I had the audacity to have a picture of myself as an avatar.

I don't want to be put up on a pedestal or treated any differently. There have been several times in the past couple of months or so when people have called me "one of the best commenters here". Fuck off, am I. I'm a lot less funny or clever or talented than plenty of people here. Sure, I make the odd witty comment but I have seen some of my old comments which say really uninteresting useless stuff like "Yeah, I thought that was funny too" or something, and they've got like a whole bunch of chubbies, and I can only assume it's because of my (now long gone) avatar. I mean, come ON guys. It's just humiliating for everyone involved. I remember someone saying in one of the many feminist debates something along the lines of "women don't like being treated differently because of their appearance... unless it's working in their favour". Well, having now experienced that first hand, let me tell you that that is NOT true. As I mentioned in the video, it just makes me feel really cheap. And, guys, surely you had a chance to prove that you don't all think with your dicks, but you're just perfectly happy to perpetuate that stereotype?

Of course, I could be wrong, it could be a bunch of girls and gay guys who think my inconsequential comments are just the best shit ever, but there we go.

I'm not going to deny that at first it was pretty cool. It was like, wow, what a nice little confidence booster this is. But then it just got annoying. Especially when it's not even said directly to me. I have this thing when I go through the archives where I Find my username on the page so I can read through previous comment threads I've been involved in or maybe find responses to things I've said that I might have missed before. On several occasions I've found people sort of having conversations about me, and it's WEIRD. I know people get brought up in conversation quite a lot, like perhaps, "we need edwell to come along and photoshop us something" or whatever. But when it's me it's rarely anything productive. More often than not it's something about involving me in some kind of sex act. In fact that's happened on this page (aliiis made a comment about accidentally laming me and then going around and giving me a bunch of chubbies to make up for it, which was followed by, "If I followed heccibiggs around and gave her chubbies, well..!!" (this was before any of the video controversy happened, I think)). And it's just kind of weird. It's not fun to come across, it's like people talking behind your back.

Jeez, I don't know. Assetbar got a lot less fun this weekend. I don't want to have to be "careful", I don't want to have to endure creepy comments and then be expected not to complain because I'm apparently parading myself, I don't want to sit around being a subject of verbal masturbation. I just want to be treated like anyone else, but I don't really see how that's going to happen. I don't know. I didn't intend this to be like a big I'M LEAVING FOREVER CRIEZ post. But honestly, the argument to stay away from Assetbar for a while is more compelling than the argument to stick around. Maybe I'll just comment on older comics rather than getting involved with the new ones. Maybe. Or maybe I'll be back within a week.

Whatever. I'm still on Facebook and everything so, y'know. Later guys.

Later, Hecci.

:/ DON'T LEAVE.

God DAMNIT now it's a motherfucking SAUSAGE FEST on Assetbar.

I got yout kielbasa tight here!

No, stereo is female.

You diss my sausage, you find another bodypart that rhymes with sausage and you fluff it.

Also we like you for reasons other than your lack of male genitals!

Sausage is awesome. I'd love to attend a sausage festival.

I've got the 'kraut baby.

woh wait, wtfux that soudns so heinous.

You should have seen how not-fun it was before sje and I took our breaks, it was akin to a three year old's tantrum.

Wait, what?

I'm confused as to your meaning. I didn't take a break from Assetbar.

You didn't post for a couple days.

So you are saying that it was no fun for everyone else?

Do I make this place fun?
:3

Oh, man, hecci, I was just doing that same exact thing where you ctrl-f your username to see what has gone on in comment threads and that is how I found this post. There are just waaaay too many on assetbar these days and I haven't been around that much and completely missed this whole 'video' 'thing', I sort of thought there had been some dramaz with you but didn't really know what any of it was about.
so I just wanted to say
- man, I am REALLY REALLY SORRY if my comment creeped you out or anything! I just told that story cos I thought it was kind of dorkish that I was so mortified at laming you that I couldn't just say 'whoa sorry, dude, clicked on lame by mistake there!' and, yeah. I make reference to doing sex acts on everyone, on and off the internetz! It is a problem I have : |
- I am a girl on the internet so I think I sort of know what you mean (I'm not famous on assetbar like you, but I do loads of photography and quite a bit of self-portraiture, for practice, and it always kind of gets my hackles up whenever I get comments on my flickr that're like "ur sexy lol" rather than, you know, 'nice lighting' or even 'I like your shoes' or... anything that's not bloody demeaning and weird.
- It is sad for you to leave, I'm sure/I hope I'll see you around on one of the older comments threads some time or something, as after all I am still doing my Great Archive Read (I'm up to the Great Outdoor Fight... so so sweeeeeet).
love, aliiis

A comment left by achilleselbow was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by TripperDay, motts, cromar)

Well, that is naive.

Sorry, just mind-bogglingly naive.

You think that stuff you put out there where anyone can look at it, freely and easily and legally, should be considered privately just because you want it to be. And you get pissy when people you don't want view stuff it freely and easily and legally.

Yes, I would think it was weird if my boss went to a public place where I hang out with my friends. But if I was concerned about it, I would move the gathering to someplace private. I wouldn't throw a fit about how something I did in a public place was viewed publicly.

And if someone came up to your window and looked in, you'd just close the blinds and not complain, right? Or if someone just followed you around on the street all day? Would you be okay with conducting your entire life in private as a precaution? Are you just being obstinate? The naivete is in pretending that there is some ultimate distinction between "public" and "private". Plenty of what we consider our "privacy" in the real world comes from etiquette, not law, as most of the examples I've given are legal. We just don't think about them because they're so ingrained.

Is it your goal in life to have a period or something because you are starting to irritate me

Coming up to the window and looking in is illegal. Someone following me around all day is harassment. Not good examples.

I do live my life privately, for the most part. My blinds are usually closed. But that's not the point.

If I am doing something in public, I am not going to be offended or throw a fit if someone notices that I am doing it in public. I am not going to get angry at them for noticing. I am not going to say that I can no longer do it in public just because someone saw me.

Most of the teenagers who have been in my classroom since the turn of the century don't care that I (or other adults) can see and hear the things they are doing, things that people of my generation would never do in such a way that other people could readily see them. This is a point I make to them all the time. That anyone can see what they have put on the internet. That anyone can hear what they are discussing in public in a loud voice. And they don't care. At least they say they don't care.

If I post something on the internet, I do not have some naive idea that only people I like and know and trust can see it. I am aware that anyone in the world can view it, and will be able to view it pretty much forever. So I don't post things that could embarrass me in a way that makes it trace them back to my life. If you worked really hard, and did some real world legwork, you might be able to figure out who I am and encounter me in person, but I doubt it.

I post stuff on other message boards, under different handles. I would be shocked if you could tie me to my other internet identities.

Maybe when everyone from the "pre-internet generation is dead, your vision of privacy on the internet will hold. I doubt it though.

Sorry heccibiggs, I'm gonna have to side with biff and theiratetirk on this matter. Coming from someone who has gotten fucked over twice by post shit on the internet that was meant for only a certain group of people and then having it aired out amongst my school, you really have to be careful what you put on the internet. Not necessarily the videos but as turk pointed out, you basically guided people to your youtube account. Considering the fact that you have a bit of a following here that is borderline stalkerish at time, you should have thought twice about doing that.

I hope we can stay facebook friends!

And for the record I'm not going to watch the videos.

Here's a video just for all you lot, okay?

Hecci's right. We often forget that it must kind of suck to be a girl on the internet. I propose that, instead of creeping out the couple of girls that actually post here, everyone who absolutely feels the need to stalk cute girls that like Achewood should head over to the Achewood MySpace page . There you'll find a veritable cornucopia of girls who apparently are far less concerned about their privacy, judging from the pictures they post.

After watching that video posting, I think I get it. My first thought upon reading the discussion here was that heccibiggs's reaction was a non sequitur; the outrage seemed altogether misplaced, given the substance of theirateturk's post and the fact that he needed no particularly devious research to find the YouTube page in question.

Upon watching heccibiggs's video response, though, I couldn't help but note that the ire was directed at a broad spectrum of people on AssetBar and fueled by multiple past incidents of not-funny joking about stalking. That's reasonable; if, say, hedonismbot joked incessantly about me being part of his basement harem, I'd start to get creeped out. In that context, theirateturk's lead text, "Becci my dear," arguably was ill-advised, and his posting of vlog screenshots probably was the straw that broke that particular camel's back.

I didn't watch the whole thing, but despite thinking some of the anger was misplaced, I would be completely embarrassed just like she was if someone found MY vlog (it's only one thing but whatever).

So I'm sorry for sounding like a dick, heccibiggs. I totally support you.

ok, i'm gonna have to step in. heccibiggs, hate me if you will, this is not directed at you, but at women in general. from what i've seen of you on assetbar, you seem like a really sweet and intelligent girl who deserves to be left in peace if that's what you desire. also, i did not watch your video.

now then. for far too long, we girls have wanted to have our cake and eat it too. all of the advantages that come with being a woman (and trust me there are many) we either take for granted, or feel somehow entitled to. but the minute something is to our disadvantage, we cry sexism. you don't see old people complaining about getting a reduced bus fair or a discounted meal at old country buffet. and yet, girls love to get on their high horse about the fact that being treated delicately is some sort of insult. complaining is not tactically efficacious for modifying the power relations between men and women, sorry to say. rather than harping on the various ways in which men oppress us, why not simply act? the next time a guy offers to carry your hella heavy suitcase for you, say "no, i got it, it's not so heavy" and they'll think twice next time before judging women to be weak. don't shit all over their helpfulness by getting PISSED and ranting at them. i mean, how unfair is that? i'll be the first to admit i've let a guy or two help me lift my heavy suitcase.. it's awfully flattering to have that option, even when you don't exercise it.

extrapolating to assetbar, girls don't complain when they are getting hella chubbies, or at least when they are not getting lamed for no good reason. of all the flame wars that go on, of all the stones that get tossed at an innocent remark, how many of them are directed at girls? i think that's one of the things we tend to take for granted. as for the hedonismbot thing, i personally feel honored to be considered among that harem. hedonismbot is a smart and funny dude, who is as entertaining as he is harmless, and any girl who seriously feels threatened by his remarks is paranoid at best, and completely self-absorbed at worst. when achilleselbow posted that "assetbar party" MS paintjob over the handface weekend, he included all the girls of assetbar, and only a select few of the guys. many of the girls were new, and one even stated her surprise at and immense appreciation for being included. she didn't raise her hand and proclaim on the inequality suffered by all the asset-veteran dudes who were selected against. no, being a lady is just awesome sometimes, and we ought to appreciate that and not make it into a huge political statement all the goddamn time.

it's like the writer's rule: "don't say, show". if you're not a weak woman, show it. if you're not a housewife stereotype with no voice of her own, show it. some girls like creepy guys on the internet following them around, especially if those guys manage to do it in a clever and intelligent manner. if you don't, don't make your avatar a picture of your cute face. first ask yourself, "what don't i want?" the answer may be "people making lewd albiet clever comments about me on assetbar" or "people giving me special treatment in life because i'm a girl". ok. then ask yourself, "what do i want instead?" you might find that either you cannot come up with an answer, or that such a state would also look unsatisfactory in just as many respects, if not more.

i mean, i have this whole theory about how female inequality is not a state perpetuated by men, but is rather the result of an inter-gender tug-of-war between women themselves, with the women who benefit from the inequality pervailing at the moment, but this is neither the time nor place for me to get into that. let's just say, i agree with feminism as a movement, but not with the tactics this movement by and large employs or the beliefs about the source of female inequality this movement by and large holds. i do know one thing: we are not the victims of men, and we are only as victimized as we feel ourselves to be.

okay seriously your opinion is -as the mid '90s would say- the bomb. It's like I'm reading the thoughts I think but when attempting to transcribe them I just write my own name for a few paragraphs.

permission to give you special treatment for being awesome?

Hey, I just didn't want my assetparty to be a sausage party. Plus, Turk had already made that collage of assetbabes, so it made it easier than copying individual avatars. Also, I think in the last paragraph you meant intra-gender?

Anyway, I agree with like 100% of what you said, but this is getting less and less relevant to what actually happened. I am the last person to be accused of being oversensitive to sexism, but all I know is that when I saw Turk's post, my creep alert went off. It wasn't even that her vlog was anything "embarassing" or "private", it was just the jarring effect of having someone display stuff you've said/posted elsewhere and drawing attention to you for no apparent reason. If someone snooped around my MySpace and then suddenly posted screenshots of it here, putting me on the spot by commenting on my photos and asking why I have a Shiny Toy Guns song on there, I'd be a little irked. It has little to do with privacy and more to do with appropriateness. If a few of us had found Hecci's video channel and commented on it there, I don't think she would have had much of a reaction.

Dude, I thought it was creepy. You know something's wrong when that line is crossed.

It was, absolutely, creepy and loserish. You can go on about how naive she was about her privacy, or about how women benefit from having their luggage lifted on Assetbar and shouldn't complain when they're harrassed. That is the main thing that bothers me.

As for 'if she doesn't want to be treated like that, she shouldn't have an avatar of her cute face...' I'm just dumbfounded. Yes girls, if you don't want to be the subject of the socially-stunted, knuckle-dragging, drooling ogle of a dewy college boy, the answer is simple. Bind your breasts and wear a sack! Don't go expecting anyone to have basic manners, now. Not even Achewood fans. :(

I find it ironic that this drama fell out just when we are getting a new female character. I hope she gets a chance to be decent and fleshed out.

Hey I don't drag my knuckles anymore! STEREOTYPING.

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the next time a guy offers to carry your hella heavy suitcase for you, say "no, i got it, it's not so heavy"


I've seen douchebags who simply insist upon hauling her luggage. I almost feel as though I should off to push him down the stairs for her during these occasions.

I will always offer help to a lady, my mother taught me to do it and so I do. I have been yelled at for opening a door, but I have been opening doors for women (or whoever is in front of me) for the past eighteen years.

I wouldn't make any distinction based on gender. I'd help a male friend with something or open a door for a guy just as often as a woman.

It's just about being polite to everyone. Treating women or anyone, for that matter, like they need extra help is like shouting slowly at people who speak another language.

For that matter I'm always a bit uneasy when I'm on the bus. The signs always say I'm supposed to give up my front seat when someone elderly gets on, but I totally don't want to stand up and thus imply that someone is old and feeble. I mean, I usually just get around it by sitting towards the back as often as possible (like the signs are always telling you to do... seriously people, move to the damn back of the bus so people can keep getting on. Don't just stand halfway to the back with your douchebag friends blocking the aisle for everyone) and hoping that someone else gets up first so I still get to keep my seat.

What I find interesting is that despite all the claims of lack of women in science and engineering about half of my professors (and the majority of the best) were female. Admittedly, biology does, for some reason, seem to attract a lot of women, but this was also in chemistry as well. I didn't take quite enough physics to yield an appropriate sample size.

Let me just toss something out about women in math and science:

The majority of my really good math students are female. Something like three or four to one.

I've read a lot of unenlightened bullshit in this thread but have kept out of it on purpose because of the earlier drama. Bullshit mainly about the difference between the sexes, and while I do not disagree with your post, biff, it must be said that the average female is probably smarter than the average male, but the variance among men is a lot greater.

This means that there are more truly brilliant men than there are women. I'm not suggesting that this is a permanent thing, but I definitely believe it as long as women continue to play with dolls in their childhoods and (as children) focus on having babies as being the most important thing in their lives, it is likely to remain this way. Men on the other hand get obsessive about things, whether this is model trains, sports, cars, doing pushups, etc. etc. They get stuck in and obsess. A lot of them dont amount to squat, but the ones who do are the ones that change the world.

Chess is a sport that is open to be played by men and women, but men dominate. I can't really think of any eminent female players apart from the Polgár sisters, and it was their fathers who from a very early age wanted them to be exceptional. If women obsessed as much over chess then I don't doubt that you'd have a more even spread at the top.

Furthermore, I ain't Frederick H. Coca-Cola but the average man is undoubtedly dominated by sexual urges. Any man that tells you differently is talking shit, and probably because he wants to curry favour with you so they can fuck you and/ or other women. Women have to be smarter because they risk more if they get fucked over; they have to think about providing for another human being if it all goes wrong. People play into conventional stereotypes like these because they are there; the dumb jock, the shallow model etc.

And to be honest, I don't think the immediately identified problems with current gender roles are the ones to focus on. Being a mother to a child is such an important occupation that I don't believe you cannot put a price on it. It%u2019s certainly not something to feel unfulfilled about. I don't think the answer is both parents going out to earn money so the economy can flourish. That's bullshit. I don't want a stranger raising my kids just so I can make my neighbours feel inferior with a new Porsche. Speaking as a capitalist, the pendulum has swung too far. You need a stable society in order to be able to produce. You need to invest in the present in order to be able to consume in the future.

As a society we have got it in our heads that all of us need to go out to work otherwise the Chinese will take over and life as we know it will be over. We are doing ourselves a disservice with such materialism and it's a classic example of a prisoner's dilemma. We are in such a fucking race to dominate others; individuals; countries; races; religions; friends; relatives; neighbours; allies; enemies; that we all end up losing.

When televised tobacco advertising was banned you'd think the cigarette companies with all their political influence would have lobbied lawmakers, but the legislature forced them to do precisely what they could never have agreed to do - all stop wasting their money on ineffective - because the market was saturated - advertising.

In order to succeed in "the man's world" women have to act and behave like men and I don't find this trait attractive at all. Aggressive businesswomen can suck my cock. I'm not saying the old way/ status quo is 100% correct; it could definitely do some fine tuning. I don't want to hold women back; if they want to go out and be the next Martha Stewart then the more power to them but I'd rather have a society in which women didn't feel worthless unless they directly competed with men. Men have a lot to learn in this regard too. You only need to look at the current financial climate to see that our greed has got the better of us.

I just think that when it's time to have children, 1) the parents need to be fairly young and 2) one parent (ideally the mother) takes a substantial amount of time away from work to be able to raise them properly.

I don't want aggressive men to suck my cock, but they irritate me exactly as much as aggressive women in the business sphere.

Nobody has to be aggressive like that to succeed. The ones who do are complete assholes.

tl;dr

Actually I read both of them, I myself and am very excited for the downfall of 'merica and the forthcoming depression.

My girlfriend is definitely better at math than me. But I never cared for math. It really hurts my status in the geek community, but I can deal with that. I just don't like it. I'm just lucky that I'm in a science where math isn't crucial.

Right, right, women are only as victimized as we feel ourselves to be. We just get paid 75% or less of what men get paid because we feel like we do. Congress used to be 50% women, but then we started feeling victimized and our representation magically dropped to 16%. And the 1 in 4 women who are rape victims are just...what? Rape feeling-sorry-for-themselves women?

Interpret it as blind loyalty to my dearest hecci if you will, but it doesn't matter that her video was public. Obviously it was public and what theirateturk did was legal, but it was still creepy and rude to go post something she had put on a completely different site and hadn't linked to. So...what the fuck, Biff? It's okay for people to be creepy and rude because they can? That's a weird attitude to have.

I agree that posting her stuff somewhere else was in poor taste. I agree that irateturk 's decision to post it on assetbar was a bad decision. I also still think that heccibiggs ' reaction reflected a failure to understand the nature of what she had done, and what the possible implications are.

I agree that, in spite of the fact that women have come a long, long, fucking way towards equality, they still have a ways to go. Just like everyone who is not a rich, powerful, white male.

But you misstate my attitude.

I am not saying that anything is "OK." I am saying it is naive to get all freaked out because people are noticing something that you posted in public for all the world to see.

When you post something in a public place where literally billions of people can see it freely and easily and legally, don't get freaked out when people see it. That is not a realistic way to look at the situation.

I did not ever, at any point, address the impoliteness and lack of grace in posting other people's work in other places.

I interpreted daedala_x's post as being more anecdotal, you know? The systematic forms of sexism (pay margin, and the like) is a separate issue from the day-to-day ethical "sexism" that gets bandied about between the genders. Like, luggage carrying.

I doubt you'll get much of an argument here, or anywhere reasonable people outnumber the insane, that rape victims are victims--independent of whether they feel that way or not. For me, I see see that as being a victim of a crime, not necessarily victims of men-in-general or some patriarchal society. I have heard the argument though, that all women are victims of men's patronization--I think it stems from reading a bit too much into 'gentlemanly' conduct. Not saying you believe that, I'm just explaining my reaction to the post.

When a woman --and this in general conversational terms, not in societal, legal, or systematic terms-- suggests that she is being persecuted or otherwise being failed by society because of some chivalrous act, it is ridiculous. If a man wants to hold the door open for me, that's fine. If a guy wants to call me honey or sweetie, that's acceptable; it is his prerogative. If a person treats me in a special way because I've charmed them in one way or another, whether physically or mentally; most excellent, advantage: me. I wouldn't complain if Christian Bale did it, why should I complain when the gas station attendance clerk does?

Now, of course, that is just me. If you (general) don't like to be given that special treatment for being aesthetically pleasing, let 'em know. You're well within your rights to do so.

((i do agree that it was a little rude of theirateturk, but that is the risk of being an identifiable girl on the internet, and it is a shame. doing my own creeping, found that theirateturk posts on fyad, similar thing happened to me over there a few years ago, it is just a thing they do. not that it is a practice that should be transferred over to assetbar...))

No kidding? Turkey is a goon?

Sweet reasoning, honey cakes.

The systematic forms of sexism (pay margin, and the like) is a separate issue from the day-to-day ethical "sexism" that gets bandied about between the genders.

No, the day-to-day stuff is exactly what enables the systemic stuff. Granted, chivalry is probably the least of my worries (though I do think it's bullshit), but you can't say that the small stuff doesn't count. Without the small stuff, there would be no big stuff. Without a culture that treated women as objects, children, less than human, etc., there would be equal pay and equal governmental representation, and rape would be the domain only of actual psychopaths.

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I'm sorry, you mean it isn't?

I mean, I don't know about you, but I think that anybody who would rape someone is a disgusting, demented individual.

Disgusting, yes. Demented, no. Do you realize how shockingly common rape is? Perhaps you only think of rape as a man with a knife in an alleyway jumping a woman at night, but women are raped most often by friends, boyfriends, and husbands. You probably know someone who has raped a woman. Most rapists aren't antisocial people with actual mental problems. They're basically normal people who are capable of doing bad things because their culture tells them things like, "If a woman was out drinking, she should have known better, and it's her own fault she got raped," not to mention that women's bodies are public property and that women are only important insofar as they sexually satisfy men. Normal people have tremendous potential to do bad things because of culture/context (see also: Stanford prison experiment, Milgram experiment, the average German citizen under the Nazis).

That hinges on your definition of "bad things", though. I'd consider the concept of "public indecency" and fining people for being "indecent" to be a bad thing, but that doesn't really agree with the population at large, so who is right? If a rape involves two people, why are the needs of the victim more important? How do you draw a line and decide who's the victim, especially if both are drunk and both regret it later?

If a rape involves two people, why are the needs of the victim more important?

Um. Okay, please correct me if I'm wrong. Are you literally saying that it could be okay for a man to rape a woman because he really wants to? Because his needs might be stronger than the woman's needs to, oh, protect herself from STDs and unwanted pregnancy, preserve her right to bodily autonomy, not have PTSD, etc?

Sheesh I try not to make it into a men and women thing and right back it goes.

Short answer: yes.

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO IS TERRIFIED BY THIS.

Well, I can't say I am terrified, but I am disturbed.

It is baffling to me what line of reasoning is leading to the conclusion that a rapist has "needs" that could ever justify such a horrible crime.

Not to make light of the situation, because seriously, rape/molestation is not a thing I fuck around with or joke about, but if anyone can work this into a survey that proves that not watching movies=becoming a rapist I would love you forever.

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SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO IS TERRIFIED BY THIS.


What are ya shoutin' 'bout, Missy?

I have 4 daughters who will cut his nuts off and hang them from the rearview mirror of their Camaro.

The end.

Too soon?

It seems as though Stereo is joking. Also what one might consider 'rape' another might consider 'a poor choice'

If a lady goes out, gets wasted, and wakes up next to someone she would never look at sober... is it rape? It could be, or it could be drunken adventure.

It is Drape. That's what it is. It's very common around here.

Stereo, please explain to me either how you are NOT in fact saying that if a guy really wants to have sex with a girl and she doesn't want to, he should get to do it anyway despite her protests and lack of willingness, and basically rape is pretty much okay, OR please tell me exactly what medication you are on because there is no way someone can actually think that in this day and age and also be a sane person.

Let me break this down because I didn't write that very clearly.
Option A: You're not saying what I think you're saying.
Option B: You are a complete fucking nutjob.
Which is it?

(Yes, I'm still lurking around, at least until the next comic goes up.)

I...uh...what? I'm hoping somehow maybe some lines have gotten crossed here and someone is not understanding something else that was said but it looks like you are saying that rape is, like, okay, and that's, uh, not cool.

Not all "rape" involves "protests and lack of willingness" or I wouldn't have a problem condemning it universally. At least, I don't think willingness should be up for debate after the act. The idea that you would willingly take drugs that distort your decision making process and then later complain when you make poor decisions honestly disgusts me. Humans are not physically reliant on alcohol and unless the situation is different where you guys live, it's entirely optional in social settings.

A) When I ask questions, it is because I have not taken a firm position on something. I'm here to provoke interesting responses, not reveal my personal moral values. "The views expressed by the internet person stereo do not necessarily reflect the views of the person who is typing them" if you will. I don't ask questions because I know the answer.

For a more pedantic response, I'm not saying that if a guy wants to have sex with a girl his needs are more important, because I didn't attach genders to either of the people involved. It irritates me when "rape" immediately means "man rapes woman" and I think women should take a little responsibility for trying to represent the genders equally. Any time you automatically fill in "person" with "man" or with "woman", you're extending the life of gender based inequality.

To prevent myself from making stupid decisions is one of the reasons why I abstain from alcohol.

Yeah, after I drink a couple of beers I just gotta get my rape on! It is a basic thing.

Ray still subscribes to "Modern Rapist" along with "Forcelove Fortnightly" and "Non-Consensual Review". He finds that "Roof" is both too tacky and trying far too hard to be hip.

He doesn't know why he still bothers to get these periodicals, but it would be a hassle and a half to cancel so they just keep showing up.

yesss, forcelove in the vernacular.

So you will be joining me as a member of Forcelove Love Force Five?

You are not saying what I am reading, are you?
I mean, there is a problem of communication here, right?

My father was a good man, a decent man who believed in a day's work for a day's pay.

2 bad 4u ur mother was a who-er

I prefer a day of sleeping in for a week's pay and generous union benefits.

Lois CK much?

So you are with a person you really want to have sex with... but they wont let you. What are you gonna do, just not have sex with them? That's preposterous!

Women aren;t only important if they're sexually satisfying to men. I really don't think it is that drastic, if it was, why was Janet Reno ever an important or powerful woman? I'm half-joking, but I really do think the whole "you only matter if someone wants to fuck you" angle is a little over-drawn. An uglier woman might have to work harder to get what she wants, but really, short and balding men have to work harder to get to the top. It is an aesthetic thing, not so much a gender thing. The undesirable always have it worse than the pleasing. A jobless man has a pretty hard time finding someone who wants to settle down with him, as it is interpreted a sign of instability/failure/laziness, but a jobless woman doesn't necessarily have that same stigma attached to her.

And while the average woman's body is scrutinized much more heavily than a man's, that scrutiny and judgement in-and-of-itself doesn't prevent anyone from accomplishing anything in particular. You've just got to take it, and either give a fuck or not give a fuck.

the rape thing though, I really think that saying we probably know someone who raped a woman is the sort of thing that gains feminists the reputation as being reactionary man-haters. Do you think anytime someone is coerced or sweet-talked into sex that they later regret is rape? While I agree that it's not an appropriate thing to do, to try and convince someone to have sex with you and not just let it go the first time they so "not tonight", I wouldn't really interpret that as rape. I wouldn't want to raise a son like that, but I wouldn't want him to go to jail for it, either.

I really think that saying we probably know someone who raped a woman is the sort of thing that gains feminists the reputation as being reactionary man-haters

Uh, okay, but you realize it's statistically true, right? You almost definitely know women who have been raped. Would you deny that, too?

Do you think anytime someone is coerced or sweet-talked into sex that they later regret is rape?

Depends on your definition of coercion, I suppose. Sweet-talk I would put safely in the non-rape category.

Statistically true, depending on how you're defining rape, though. What is the line that separates sweet-talk and coercion? "Come on, baby. You know you want it." What is that? I just think it's sort of a vague, gray area when you start saying that verbal coercion and convincing someone having sex with you would be fun (them giving consent, eventually, of course) is rape. It's not a good thing to do, you shouldn't be proud, but should you be charged with rape for doing it?

Purposely getting someone drunk to make them more susceptible to your advances, while not an ethical thing to do, I don't consider that rape. The person who is being given drinks can always deny them, and the person being verbally coerced can leave the situation. Once they no longer have an 'out', then it is most definitely, unequivocally, black-and-white rape.

the person being verbally coerced can leave the situation

Always? No other factors go into it? No possible fear of social retribution, no social pressures, no being stranded without a ride, no vague fears of violence, no economic factors? Those are different from convincing someone having sex with you would be fun, which I already agreed with you is not rape.

Well, you do have me there, with those types of situations. However, I don't think social retribution and social pressure really should factor in, some things you just have to be stronger than if you don't want to be taken advantage of, and those two factors are prime examples. If you allow yourself to be talked into unwanted sex because you don't want a group of people to think you're frigid or a bitch, that is just weakness. Not that you don't deserve protection, but I really don't consider a person who is easily susceptible to societal pressures to be someone to pity. If someone is convinced to buy a car that is outside of their means by a salesman who convinces them that they'll be more well-liked in that car, that is just...unfortunate, but expected. Weak people will be coerced and convinced, that is just the way it is.

Not having a ride and a fear of violence I think of as not having an 'out', and I really didn't put much consideration into economic factors...I think we agree more than we disagree, it's just a matter of semantics.

Being thought of as a frigid bitch would be an annoying reality, but I was thinking more along the lines of a guy spreading vicious rumors about you that could damage your social life or possibly your career. Or an ex-boyfriend who has naked pictures or sex tapes of you could spread those around.

And some social pressures are bigger than others. If you're taught that you owe a guy sex because he took you out on a date, you might give in to verbal coercion when you don't want to, because you have been taught that's just what you have to do. There are plenty of people, male and female, who literally believe I'd owe a guy sex for buying me a plate of spaghetti at Olive Garden. I guess that brings us back to systemic stuff vs. day-to-day stuff.

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No brownie batter wrestling? No foxy boxing? No extra-special touching allowed roller derby?

No, I doubt that the NSF would support this. You need to pick someone desperate and willing to give money to outlandish and pointless acts designed just to give them attention and publicity even if it just makes them look like complete whackjobs. Maybe PETA?

If someone takes you to Olive Garden you better not have sex with them. Even if you really, really want to. There is a line.

I wonder if I can convince PETA to host some blood wrestling. Hotties all wrestling in a pit full of slowly congealing pig's blood.

According to Wikipedia they asked Judas Priest to stop wearing leather. When they replied that they only wear artificial leather they still whined that it might give someone the desire to wear real leather.

They just don't know when to quit and they're entirely outside of reality at this point.

I was going to post something like this up above, but did not. I am glad I did not, as you were much more eloquant.

I just love that you said I was "eloquant". I mean, hmm, that sounds kinda dickish. I don't mean it like that. It's just amusing that eloquent would be misspelled.

FUCK FUCK

i first spelled it elequant, then checked it in word and still fucked it up. dammit shit.

But Firefox has built-in spell check. This shouldn't be an issue anymore.

Do you think anytime someone is coerced or sweet-talked into sex that they later regret is rape?

As I mentioned above, this isn't a thing I joke about, but I have a friend who we suspect did this exact thing, which is frightening because there are so many reports of sex crimes on my campus that the mere fact that one girl could have potentially fucked some dude over so badly like that by exploiting the system is scary.

Everyone I've ever had sex with has regretted it, usually before I've even finished.

That is sad.

not for me.

short and balding men have to work harder to get to the top.It is an aesthetic thing, not so much a gender thing.

Uh, dude, have you looked at our male politicians vs our female politicians lately? There way more ugly dudes, and yet they have more power.

Plus, I interact with high-power businesspeople a moderate amount, because my dad is kind of a big deal, and there are some UGLY ass dudes with a whole lot of power and money, whereas the women always have to have flawless hair, makeup, and clothes.

Alright yeah, that was a silly extrapolation on my part; I think I was reaching.
Shorter men do have a harder time in the workplace and in the dating world, though.

Yeah, I'd believe that. Of course, I'd see it as a part of the bizarre drive so many men have to be macho and manly because anything feminine is abhorrent and disgusting.

Haha, well, the average woman seems to agree, given how many of them end up married to those macho, burping assholes. Those guys might just be reacting to a general, overarching principle that suggests acting like a big tough man will get you a woman, not actively trying to suppress femininity because they find it abhorrent. I think our gender definitions are just too stringent, and it hurts everyone. Men can't show emotion or concern about a lot of things readily without being labeled girly, which leads to so much pent up...everything, and women--as you well know-- have a whole set of regulations they are urged to follow in order to "land a husband". That being the most important thing in a woman's future, and all.

Anyway, I'll take their "too feminine"-branded scraps, no question. I dig that sort of thing, mainly.

not actively trying to suppress femininity because they find it abhorrent.

Getting a woman may be part of it, but when I watch shit like this and this just chilling on mainstream TV, I pretty much get the message loud and clear. Okay, guys, you don't want to be like a woman in any way, shape, or form. We get it.

I think our gender definitions are just too stringent, and it hurts everyone

I definitely agree with that 100%.

I apparently still remember BBCode. I win the prize.

Hey, loneal, I just wanna say I'm happy you're back *hugs*

Aww, I ain't back for long. But we'll always have Facebook!

Stereo? We're waiting. You can't expect to get any meaningful growth process from Group if you just toss out provocative statements without a follow-up.

Amirite, Group?

Loneal you're not really making assumptions about real men based on those ads are you?

You haven't been looking at various powerful women. There are plenty that are not particularly attractive. I'd say you have to look really hard to find a woman involved in politics that is even remotely attractive. Hence the fact that despite being only marginally attractive (in a sort of "I can see how someone might have slept with her maybe 20 years ago" way) and completely batshit insane Sarah Palin was tagged with the whole GILF thing.

But seriously, I doubt anyone would say that Madeleine Albright or Dianne Feinstein were attractive or had "flawless hair, makeup, and clothes".

VPILF.

No. That never happened so it's completely incorrect. VPCILF would be a bit closer, but that's not even accurate anymore. Really GILF is the best and most appropriate phrase to use.

Frankly, I wouldn't touch her. Not only because she's really not particularly attractive, but because she's a raving lunatic.

I know. I was referring to a T-shirt I saw, before the election ended. I didn't know how popular it was.

I heard that phrase the day that she was announced as McCain's running mate. So, yeah... it was a thing.

Dude I would fuck her, and then I would tell you about it.

Her husband seems fairly well kempt however.

Fuck it, she's a murderer and a nut job.

Sarah Palin is a murderer?

If your'e a vegan.

Also she tore the throat out of my newborn sister.

Clearly you have not been introduced to Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko of the Ukraine.


Pretty!

She is, of course, astoundingly above the standards we have come to expect, but this merely makes her an outlier.

Also, she is Ukrainian politician. Soon she will be poisoned with dioxin and it will all be over.

I'm sure they have great personalities?

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Most rapists aren't antisocial people with actual mental problems.


Which isn't what I said. Rape is a disgusting act and anyone who would perform it is a disgusting and demented individual in my view. They might be normal in every other aspect, sure. I'm not saying all rapists are crazy schizos.

Note that in this case when I say rape I am referring to one individual physically forcing another to engage in sex.

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their culture tells them things like, "If a woman was out drinking, she should have known better, and it's her own fault she got raped,"


Where the hell does our culture say this? I mean, what kind of people are you listening to? Because this is not a message I see on anything even remotely resembling a frequent basis.

Well, here for example. And here . And here and here and here and here and here . Oh, here's a good victim-blaming headline. Here a judge called a girl stupid for giving a guy a ride home, because she should have known he would rape her. Maybe Oklahoma is just a magical land where no one ever says women weren't responsible for their rapes because of what they were drinking or what they were wearing, but it's not as if those things I've just linked to were particularly hard to find.

Fine, rape is a totally normal, accepted, and even applauded act in our culture. Goddamn, we love us some rape. Absolutely no man alive has a problem with rape.

I raped her five times. I was all like "RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE".

Tekende, I don't know what your deal is. You don't have to disagree with or mock everything I say on principle. We can both agree that culture could stand to be less sexist and that rape is a bad thing.

I'm not at all saying no man alive has a problem with rape, and you know I'm not. I'm saying its level of acceptance is still too high. I do not think you are a rapist. If you automatically extrapolate that I think all men are rapists from me saying that too many men are rapists, that says more about your lack of logic than mine.

I think tekende was taking it to some sarcastic extreme out of pure frustration with this never-ending thread; I wouldn't read too much into it.

Anyways, I have to be honest and ask, loneal: I know that you got fed up with assetbar and took a break because of a similar charged, socio-political argument. I may have missed it, but the only 2 or so times I've seen you "come back" to post have been in these type of threads.

If you got so annoyed that one time, and "took a break," why is it that you seemingly only come back to continue taking part in these things? I would've thought that you might prefer to avoid these type of threads.

I'm not trying to sound like a condescending asshole, by the way. Maybe you like to fight the good fight against your own "better" judgement? I don't know.

Sorry if my assumptions are wrong (ie if you've posted a lot since your break on more lighthearted fare...)

Comeback Number 1, I was testing the waters to see if I'd like to actually come back, and saw a comment so inane I couldn't let it go.

Comeback Number 2 was specifically to defend hecci, so this was to be expected.

I do not anticipate future comebacks. I do miss joking around with y'all, but not enough to listen to people literally saying that rapists have important raping needs.

You can't keep doing this to me Loney, Dear.

I tend to get my raping needs at the Rite Aid on the corner. They have a really good rape supplies department.

Of course, I do live in the Forcelove District.

what do you mean by "its level of acceptance is still too high"? I don't think rape is very widely accepted at all. i mean dudes don't give other dudes high fives for raping a chick. it has hella negative "WHOA!" factor. maybe for manipulating a chick into wanting to have sex with them, even if she regrets it the next day, but not for outright forcing sexual intercourse on her, that's just creepsville.

i'm guessing you're not comfortable with me saying chicks should learn not to buy into the whole complimenting and sweettalking deal that gets them manipulated, because you'd want to say that it's the fault of society that women are compelled to seek affirmation from men in the first place. fine, we women are socially constructed to desire male affection.

1. that doesn't mean we can't learn to find greater value in other things, such as career, hobbies, or intellectual pursuits. i receive far more affirmation from my professors than i could from any guy and if i had to choose between a life of academia outside the companionship of males, or a life of male companionship outside of academia, i'd choose the former in a heartbeat. one just has more meaning to me. this gets me to point 2, as i anticipate you'll object by saying that our society does not provide adequate education and resources for women to seek affirmation in ways other than through male attention.
2. this is a product of social structures, yes, but they are structures without an orchestrator. it is not men against women but all individuals against all other individuals, and all the intersections of their interactions and personal incentives result in the current power relations not just between men and women, but between old and young, parents and children, black and white, etc. the point i'm making is that "society" cannot provide the proper education and resources to women because "society" as "the educational system" is not a thinking entity governed by a group of interested individuals. it's everywhere and nowhere. it's US, WE create it.

returning to the practical, let's take the example of the rape victim who is not raped in the alley by a stranger. she is in the company of a male and is not sure of her desires, and then suddenly he is on top of her, and she is frightened and appalled but too shocked to protest, or perhaps protests but is ignored. one argument to be made against her is that she should have been more cautious. rape awareness is pretty high. every university women's bathroom has been taped with "1 out of 4 women are sexually abused" or "90% of rapes happen with someone you know" flyers. i live in a pretty dangerous neighborhood where student muggings are commonplace, and there have been reports of students stabbed around campus at 3 in the morning; a phd student last year was even shot and killed. now, knowing this, if i then choose to go out at night, alone, at 3 in the morning, one might not say i "had it coming" (or maybe one might), but at the very least i chose to increase the probability of my getting mugged or injured. i can't simply claim that i shouldn't have to be afraid to go outside at 3 in the morning in an urban neighborhood, and get all huffy about it. yea, the world has crime, but i can't imagine anyone launching an "anti-mugger" campaign against people who mug, because they are just as much a product of their circumstances. again, one might resort to an attack on the educational system, but is the solution really to teach inner city kids not to mug or stab people? it's more complicated than that, isn't it? there's a holism to society's ailments that can't be combatted by concentrating on only one group who seem to be the predators, and it is no more fruitful to attack society as a governing being because society is just the result of its acting parts.

here you might object that it is too extreme to compare muggers to rapists because muggers are somehow less fortunate and are subject to the oppression of the people they mug, whereas rapists are the oppressors of the people they rape. to this i would say that muggers do not only mug people because they feel oppressed by them, but will commit a crime when anyone has something they desire. actually, most emails we get involving fatal crimes have to do with money/drug issues among the neighborhood people themselves. second, men are in a sense oppressed by women as well. the same strong sexual urges that lead them to rape women are the urges that shackle them to the whims of women, like a terrible drug addiction. perhaps they have been used and abused in the past by women who have exploited their "addiction" and they decided to retaliate (or simply get their fix) in this way. it's a classic supply and demand problem, and a viciously circular one at that. sometimes men do terrible things. because of this, women have been taught to guard against them by remaining chaste and difficult to charm. so the supply of women becomes low. because the supply is so low, the demand grows terribly high, and men are willing to spend large amounts of money on women in order to purchase their highly-valued companionship. of course, when demand is low and supply is high, crimes will break out in order to attain the desired good by whatever means necessary, and then we have rape. but you can't say women don't benefit from this. and those women who do benefit want the system to stay as it is because they don't want to pay for their own dinner, or car, or whatever. these women are just as much to blame for perpetuating the gender divide as men are. you can't just say men should stop objectifying women and then women will stop seeking self-worth in their objectification. you could just as well say that if women stopped affirming themselves through the attention of men, men couldn't objectify them anymore because it simply wouldn't work. it works both ways.

goddammit, could i BE anymore longwinded? (said in Chandler Bing voice)

but you know how it is with loneal. love her or hate her, but damned if she doesn't make you wanna say a thing. (i do not hate her, i just disagree with her on certain points but clearly i value her opinion or i wouldn't have typed a bunch of shit for her to hopefully respond to)

Dang but that is a lot of words, and I am not going to give each one a bunch of attention, but uh.

I of course think chicks should learn not to buy into the sweet-talking deal, or alternately that they should buy into the sweet-talking deal, enjoy the sex, and not feel guilty about it. I said like a million years ago that sweet-talking leading to sex you regret isn't rape.

The structures of society do have some orchestrators. A big part of the reason disproportionate value is placed on women's appearances is so that a few CEOs can sell us billions of dollars worth of cosmetics and fashionable clothes, and those CEOs will actively and consciously try to make us feel worthless so that we will buy their products. But of course society is made up of individuals; that doesn't mean there aren't dominant ideas or groups in a society.

As for your weird rape=mugging analogy, I do object, but I wouldn't have brought oppression into it at all. I would say they're fundamentally different because mugging takes your wallet, not your actual physical body. Taking objects and physically violating someone are not the same thing.

If you're bringing oppression into it, though, you're absolutely wrong to say that women oppress men by attracting them. I have as high a sex drive as the next guy (and I've been rejected many a time, too), and I don't go around forcing sex on guys I think are hot. That's because rape isn't about wanting to have sex really badly. Men don't rape people because they're hard up - I think we all know plenty of dudes who can't get laid who don't go around raping. Rape is about power, and the eroticization of power. It's about getting off on the fact that the woman is reluctant or unconscious or fighting back against you as hard as she can. It's not about supply and demand whatsoever; at this point, there are quite enough willing girls to go around.

Also, just as an aside, if I were a dude, I would be insulted by your implication that I couldn't control my strong sexual urges. Yeah, that's right. I'm calling out sexism against men. It's happening.

I thought the official feminist definition of sexism says that people can only be sexist if they have the power, and woman don't have power.

First off, fineoakstructure is correct:
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I think tekende was taking it to some sarcastic extreme out of pure frustration with this never-ending thread


Secondly. I would tell you what my problem is with you (surprisingly, it's not that you're a woman!) but you would argue with me more all that would do is perpetuate this discussion and I'm sick of this now.

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mugging takes your wallet, not your actual physical body.


Unless you get stabbed, shot, or otherwise abused. You could even get raped afterwards.

I don't know why I'm trying to elbow my way into this, as I don't really care or have any experience to share.

i mean dudes don't give other dudes high fives for raping a chick.
Sadly I think you have too high an opinion of many dudes.

Oh yeah, I was just about to mention this. Conformity and obediance. Not all rapists are psychopaths who don't have morals. A lot of rapists don't think it's wrong because their quarry (is that a good word? Probably not) is viewed as subhuman, due to propoganda. Also, a lot of feminists believe that we live in a very much rape culture, with porn, etc. We even have paintings from the Renaissance which shows rape as something good, and late night movies where basically the woman is turned on to being raped .. . crap like that. So I think basically a lot of people don't realize that rape is always a bad thing.

Let's say rape again

RAPE.

I think my heart's explodin'! RAPE!

Say rape again. Say rape again. I dare you, I double dare you, motherfucker. Say rape one more God damn time.

They will ask for our help and I will whisper, " Rape. "

Flash! Flash, I love you, but we only have twenty four hours to rape the world!

Royale with cheese.

Goddamnit sje.

Now let me ask you a question, farqussus. When you drove in here, did you notice a sign out in front that said, "Dead [African American] storage"?
Answer the question! Did you see a sign out in front of my house that said "Dead [African American] storage"?
You know why you didn't see that sign?
[Be]Cause storin' dead [African Americans] [is]n't my [flapjacking] business!

stop missing the point, for the love of god stop missing the point.

Remember that part where Zed and that store owner are giving Marcellus Wallace a swirlie?

I refuse to bow down to your forced meme. I will transcend your memes.

Zed's raped baby. Zed's raped.

(For the record my line was from Watchmen, I don't know what Farqussus was talking about.)

go transcend somewhere else. there is only one way to be somebody, and that's to start a short-lived thing on a forum that people do. THIS TIME IS FARQUSSUS' TIME.

It is not his business, it is merely a hobby.

I SAID does Marcellus Wallace look like a bitch?

NO!

Then why you tryin' to rape him like one?

You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in France?

They don't call it a Quarter Pounder with Cheese.

No man they have the metric system, they don't know what a pound is. They call it a Rape.

There's this passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the raper is beset on all sides by the inequities of the raped and the tyranny of rape enablers. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the raped through the valley of the rapeness, for he is truly his brother's raper and the raper of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great rapance and furious rape those who attempt to rape and sodomize my brothers. And you will know my name is Rapey McGee when I lay my peepee upon thee. And I will execute great bukkake upon them with furious nonconsensual sex; and they shall know that I am THERAPIST, when I shall thrust my junk into thee." I been saying that shit for years. And if you heard it, that meant your ass. I never gave much thought to what it meant. I just thought it was some cold-blooded rapage to say to a motherraper before I raped a raped in his rape. But I saw some rape this morning made me think about rape . .. TWICE. See, now I'm thinking, maybe it means you're the evil raper, and I'm the cherry rapee. And Mr. 9mm here, he's the chastity belt protecting my righteous hymen in the chasm of pinkness. Or, it could mean you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. I'd like that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm hard, Rapo. I'm cumming real hard to be in the shepherd.
RAPERAPERAPREAPREPRARAPERAPEGRAPE

END OF MEME.

oh my god dude, you just pulled a DR. MANFLESH

Oh my.
Am I now officially .. . a troll?

OH MY GOD YOU ARE EATING HER...AND YOU ARE GOING TO EAT ME NEXT!!!!!

Nah, you just desire anal play as soon as humanly (or perhaps even inhumanly) possible.

man this got all fucked up

'Cause all the rape jokes weren't fucked up at all?

Hey man nice to meet you *rape rape* yeah awesome, we should go catch that movie.

Hey dude, she's the one who came home with me. If she didn't want to fuck, I left the door open.

I think the greater question is how many women run for Congress? It's not that they're not being elected due to sexism, but if you don't run you're not going to win.

You can claim, of course, that there are greater cultural pressures to discourage this or such, but I really think that's complete crap.

I do wonder why more women don't run for office though. I really doubt that being female is something that would affect the vote of the vast majority of voters.

Probably entirely to do with the Men's Club in these places. All of the people here probably chose to hang out with intelligent, liberal thinkers.

THE WORLD IS NOT MADE UP OF INTELLIGENT LIBERAL THINKERS.

I have a friend getting bullied out of finance/insurance because she's a woman. It made my jaw drop the fucking stupid things these guys were doing. These people exist and in far greater numbers than you probably imagine.

Sorry belgand, this has turned into a rant rather than a response... but... well... there ya go.

No, I realize that they exist. It frightens and appalls me, but the vast majority of people in this country (and likely other ones as well) are almost completely terrible. Something that I keep thinking about is the evidence shown in the last election. San Francisco is widely thought to be incredibly liberal, but it is not really so. In the last election 25% of people voted that the state constitution should be amended to prevent same sex couples from marrying. In what is generally believed to be both one of the most liberal and the most gay-friendly parts of the country. That is, from those assumptions, a pretty huge percentage of the population.

Hmm... perhaps we can offer a bargain in high school. You will not be required to take any math or science courses, but in exchange you will be sterilized.

Of course, eugenics of any type inevitably leads to problems, but as a thought exercise alone I wonder what sort of world this might lead us to.

I'm not sure that enjoying/excelling at math and science makes people more progressive thinkers. I am awful at math (being a girl and all TEE, HEE AND HEE) but I'm for same sex marriage. The two really have no correlation.

It's not so much about liberal politics so much as to counter the anti-intellectual bias. The same sex marriage bit was more about realizing that this country is often a scarier place than we think. More taking off from WoodenTeeth's claim that even in a place generally assumed to be full of intelligent liberal thinkers is not as it seems.

Even if you are bad at math or such I presume that the more intelligent people will realize "Hey, math, even though I personally dislike it, is pretty damned important. I really need to try my best to learn it."

It's not entirely just about people with a predilection for those subjects or encouraging progressive thinkers so much as it is going against people who think that skipping something because it is "hard" and "boring" is a good idea. We need to be encouraging intelligence, reason, and an intellectual culture.

Maybe make it more of a tracking thing with Honors English, Intro Philosophy, and AP History included as well. I don't, after all, want to discriminate against the intellectuals in other disciplines. Science and math are just historically poor areas for America when compared to the rest of the world.

Ah, well, in that case I do agree with you. There is a major anti-intellectual bend in this country--too many people who think being "professorial" is a negative trait and that basing important decisions off of faith, anti-scientific thought, and superstition is good. Wanting someone "just like you" to run the country, and make important diplomatic decisions using country wisdom and your gut. Pretty ridiculous.

I mean, Joe the Plumber actually managed to find a person willing to write/publish a book for him, and ridiculous opinions based on intellectual demonization are given legitimacy in public discourse everyday.

As someone who is pretty good at math, and has spent a large amount of my life in the company of people who are good at math and science, I feel compelled to point out that there is a larger percentage of these people than you might guess who are pig-ignorant Neanderthals when it comes to social issues and equality of the sexes.

I don't think sterilization is the best way to stimulate children to learn stuff. You need a more systemic change in the way smart people are treated, and if America can't bring that, then maybe it's time to step aside and accept that complacency won't keep you on top of the world. How many empires have fallen? It won't stop.

The main thing I see is a need to reduce the amount of importance placed on sheer capital gains. Getting rich doesn't help your country as much as getting smart, and with the system in place you certainly don't have to be smart to be rich. How often is the opposite true? Inventors dying poor, because their patents were whisked away by the large companies who funded their research, students failing to meet their potential because they have to take on a job to support their family, while the rich run around playing complicated games on giant meat furnaces, eating inefficient food and driving inefficient cars.

I guess the idea of excess and unfettered growth is part of the "American dream" but it's really not healthy to be consuming umpteen times as much of the planet's resources as other people, flying around on private jets and carving your name into as much real estate as you can get your hands on without any real goals for it once you have it.

I don't care about helping the country, I just want to live a society where someone who suggests "Beverley Hills Chihuahua" is cast out into the frozen north. Where people never consider "not having to use your brain" to be a positive aspect in a piece of entertainment. Where we don't willingly try to be as dumb as possible almost every moment of the damn day.


Also, where scientists are venerated as our new gods. I could totally get behind that. Speaking of which, did anyone see that episode of Sliders? It was terrible. It was amazingly terrible.

In the US, having 75% vote FOR gay marriage IS incredibly liberal.

And that makes me very sad.

Still, 25% is a pretty large number. 10%, maybe 15% I could understand, but 25% is much more than I would expect for us.

the rest of California alone dragged it up over fifty percent. It got voted down didn't it? I would've thought California of all states would be better. Imagine how many states would be 15% pro .

You have to lower your expectations man, or you're going to be perpetually disappointed.

My state was like 14% pro when it passed a similar amendment, um...eight years ago, I think.

Wait, I mean, 14% against the ban. So 86% for banning gay marriage.

I...shit. Numbers got me all confused now.

It's OK.

I read it as "14% voting pro equality and fairness."

Really, it worked.

I was living in Kansas when we passed the same ban. It was really upsetting. A gay friend of mine from Kansas now lives out here as well. It's an improvement, but it's still a bit problematic to think that we can't do that much better than fucking Kansas.

I was kind of surprised that so many people in Neaderthalistan, er, Oklahoma, voted in against the ban.

Of course that is not the same thing as actually voting for gay marriage. My guess it that would be a single-digit number.

The way it was worded, iirc, was in a very dissembling manner. It was basically an affirmation of the right of one man and one woman, blah, blah, blah, sort of like the recent one where people can go hunting and fishing, blah, blah, blah.
If you hadn't done your homework on it, you'd think "well hell, what's wrong with that?" YES

I'm a cynic so it's hard to be that disappointed, but yeah, the results are usually the same.

It passed though and now we have to fight more court cases to get it invalidated because it's a ludicrously huge change to the state constitution to hinge on a simple majority.

My issue is just that, in San Francisco, I find it a bit distressing that it got a quarter of the vote. If you're not gay-friendly here then... seriously man, what the fuck? Move out to suburbs or down to San Jose or something.

You know the people voting against same-sex marriage were dudes who just didn't want to marry a dude, and didn't want the relationship to end after he denounces the proposal.

Yerah, I haven't been on the last view days, so I might not know what is entirely going on, but apparently he posted those pictures of Becci without permission. And thta is a little creepy. Legal, but creepy. I'm the type of person who hates the word "facebook stalking". I mean, if the person put the information out there, that person should not be shocked if people who are not their best friends look at it. However, there is a difference. This was done without permission, and . .. it just seems creepier, besides. Yeah, this is why we need a mod. I like this whole anythinggoes thing assetbar has, but we need someone with the power to delete posts like this; otherwise they are here forever.

Heccibiggs: I can't watch your video but I'm sorry if I ever said anything that made you feel uncomfortable because you're a girl or any stalking jokes. I don't remember ever doing that, but if I did, I'm sorry.

I've never liked the idea of being able to erase messages. I think it would make this place a lot less interesting.

But on the other hand, if I was able to erase whatever I wanted to, I would start with any post on this board in which the word "rape" is written. I scrolled so hard past all that shit that I gave myself a damn blister!

Not for the users to erase the posts, but the mods.
But the users should be able to delete posts too. It won't make it too boring.

We need one mod, Onstad's (3yo?) Child.

Your new avicon reminds me of fineoakstructure for some reason. I don't know about people whacking off about it though... it is a close up of your hair yeah? Could be even easier.

I want to dig up my webcam and get a youtube now, it is fun to yell at people. I don't really have anyone to yell at though. Uh... Thanks for not calling me a dick head, that was nice.

No make up or magic angles? Pfft whatever, I still think you look cute. Last thing you want to hear, first thing I want to say.

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???

I guess this is what I get for not using assetbarista or whatever that thing is.

heccibiggs' new avicon, I don't know why but I see it and I think of a fine piece of furniture. Maybe a newly refurbished antique redwood dining table.

Are you saying she's a fine piece of furniture?

I think he is saying that he wants to have sex with her on a dining table, that she is a nicely furnished redhead, and that she is giving him wood.

I could be misinterpreting, but this would seem to be appropriate given his predilection for mansluttery.

see next post.

Also yes, exactly correct.

Ahh, ok. Yeah, I figured out after I posted that that heccibiggs had changed her avatar, but I still thought you were saying that it looked like my avatar, but now I understand.

The hair looked like your avatar when I scroll quickly down, because they were orange-ish and I wasn't paying attention. Now it is a cute phillipe.

I so badly wanted to create a video response to this but I can't because I am kind of on a career path where my face and voice used unwisely could potentially derail my future, so I'll just write a script of what I totally had the desire and means to do, just not the opportunity.

[FADE UP on a handsome, bespectacled young black man, chubby but not obese, wearing a suit and tie. He is sitting on the couch in his parents' basement]

My fellow Assetbarians, I come to you tonight with an important message in regards to recent activities that have taken place on our shared forum of discussion, Achewood 's Assetbar. As you are all aware, there's been a fierce controversy recently that's bringing back the age old debate between the right to privacy, and the right to douchebaggery.

As your official Representative of Black America, I have no choice but to weigh in on this important matter. This is a situation that calls for an experienced, and neutral voice of moderation, and a source of good judgment. I feel that I'm the one to take on this task.

I'd first like to address user heccibiggs, who recently made a video of her own to respond to what she felt to be not only invasive attacks on her privacy, but just another in a long line of grievances that have gone unaddressed. I reviewed this video and found her points to be understandable, and eloquently made. ... Well, okay, not so much eloquent. I mean...she's got a British accent. That's good enough right?

Heccibiggs. First, I want to say that for any part I've played in making you feel uncomfortable on the Assetbar, you have my sincerest apology. Over the past several months, Assetbar has clearly proven to be an echo chamber of emotionally and sexually frustrated young men intellectually masturbating into each other's sad, gaping mouths. And I'll admit: few have fapped harder or rougher than I.

Some of us make an effort to make these efforts constructive -- whether it be through amusing comments, moving anecdotes, or meticulous Photoshop illustrations. Sadly, others have allowed the screen of anonymity that the Internet affords to fill their minds with sawdust and lies. They viciously attack those that are actually secure enough in their internet presence to even bother updating vlogs, likely feeling that they themselves lack the talent, expertise, or -- crudely enough -- the physical appearance they feel is necessary to get away with being "arrogant" enough to express themselves in that manner. While their actions are to be reviled, I think at the end of the day, their lives are to be pitied.

It's unfortunate that we have to temper our creative desires through the lens of the envious, but the damage they can cause is too great, and often not worth the risk. We'd like to believe that the Internet houses the sum total of human wisdom, but it also has, probably in greater representation, the sum total of human idiocy as well. But considering what it is -- a vast network capable of connecting all people to each other, that can provide access to thousands of years of history, culture, and science -- it is still in its infancy. We're still mistaking some of the bugs for features and features for bugs.

So to the various trolls who've manipulated images with the intent to disparage or cause emotional distress, or the negligence to prevent such actions, I have one thing to say.

[Grabs both sides of his laptop screen.]

LEAVE BECCI ALONE!!!

[He is sobbing uncontrollably now.]

WHAT DID SHE EVER DO TO YOU?!!?!! SHE'S JUST A YOUNG WOMAN TRYING TO MAKE IT IN THIS WORLD!!!

IT'S BAD ENOUGH SHE ALWAYS HAS TO DEAL WITH METALLERS!!

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO PILE SO MUCH ON HER???!!!??!

STOP IT!!!!

LEAVE HER ALONE!!!!


[He starts squealing until he is unintelligible, mouths "LEAVE BECCI ALONE" again, and sobs softly. He removes his hands from the laptop, returns to a neutral sitting position, and clears his throat]


If you need some images to post here to embarrass someone, go to luckyandguy.com and hotlink to my comic strip. Seriously, go ahead. Make fun of it if you want to. Talk shit about how I draw in a manga style. I could care less. In fact, I could use the exposure.

I'd like to thank you for your attention this evening. I trust that everyone here has learned an important lesson from this regrettable occurrence, which will likely go down on in Assetbar history as The Shitty YouTube Weekend.

Good night, and good luck.

[He stands. We see that while he was wearing the suit, shirt, and tie of a man of means, below the belt was only the wrinkled, crusty boxers of a man of moans. He turns, scratches his ass, and walks off screen. The seal of the Office of the Assetbar Representative of *~* Black America *~* appears onscreen, which is basically the same as the DOWN WITH THE SWIRL literary prize seal.

wtfux is this lucky and guy thing? i mean, i looked at it and have read three... is this ElGoonishShive?

No, since El Goonish Shive is a completely separate webcomic drawn by a completely separate person. Although googling it has shown me that while there are superficial stylistic similarities between our respective works, there's a much greater propensity towards self-referential humor on that particular strip and much more politically-based absurdity on mine.

Fantastic. I lay many V-chubs at your feet, falseprophet. Many.

Re: luckyandguy.com - the hair makes it looks like everything they do and say is EXTREME. All overkilling their lines like Stinkoman

Does this enhance or detract from your enjoyment of the comic?

It's not a dominant effect - just noticed it, was briefly amused, then forgot about it and read it as usual. One-off thing, kind of like when I was like 8 years old reading Smurf comics and replacing instances of Smurf with bad words .

You can ejaculate wisdom into my mouth any day, falseprophet. I like it.

(begins the slow-clap)

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I trust that everyone here has learned an important lesson from this regrettable occurrence, which will likely go down on in Assetbar history as The Shitty YouTube Weekend.

And note that Hecci was at the center of both extravaganzas, firsrt by using her real headshot (with hand) as her avatacon -- and causing me to be her first "stalker" when I innocently asked who her avatican picture was of -- and now she fuels controversy of the video kind. LoneltGirl15 she is not (yet), but I think she's found a niche, the pissed off, want you don't want you, vamp for the Innernet, no, I want to be private, Great Garbo wannabe, our very own and very hear Miss Hecci. Long may she tube.

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From: saul
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Subject: FWD: Sorry about that

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Hey finoakstructure,

Sorry I screwed up posting that image for you. I somehow thought that by starting with [img] and putting [/i] at the end, you wanted me to post the image and then de-italicize it. Wierd, huh? Anyway, sorry about that. Things have been weird at home lately.
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I've been around the block enough to know that knocking people for screwing up BBCode is a sure-fire loser, but I can't stop myself anyway.

In the general category of Internet buffoonery, I happened to see this today:

The NYT site has a comments section at the end of every article, and the comment entry just asks for your name and e-mail address, and then there is a space to leave a comment. In the comments below an article about burgeoning credit-card debt, I noticed that some genius had mistaken the comment box for an "e-mail this article" tool:



Oh god... Alice.

Don't ask!

Yeah, she's probably ten feet tall again.

I swear that girl is always totally tripping her ass off on that surreal, but rather pleasantly genteel Victorian action.

I mentioned it before, but Jan Svankmeyer's Alice is pretty great. It's up for instant watch on Netflix even. You have to be into that sort of thing though.

Hey, sorry about your nasty experience. Privacy arguments/whatever set aside, it sucks that it got posted if you didn't want it to.

In other news, your new avatar sucks! The old photo was nice and brought a good vibe to the comments page. This one's just ambiguously hair-ish.

Thanks, and all the wankers thank you, too. Right sje?

Huh?

I can't find my headphones. What is she talking about?

find them sean, find them now. she has a sexy voice.

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Is it really harassment? As far as I know you can follow somebody around all day, as long as you aren't directly interacting with them. You can peer into a window from the vantage point of a public area, like the street. Can't go into the yard or anything, but you can peep from a distance.

I'm just saying if I have a misunderstanding of the privacy laws in this fair country i have a lot of backpedaling, apologizing and family pet head sending to do


--Both sides make a good point, it is sort of rude to pull random bits from off-site accounts onto an unrelated forum, but yeah, it's not an "invasion of privacy", so much as it is just sort of an "awww damnit".

If someone is interested enough in my internet activities, I figure what the hey, let them figure it out. Anything I want to keep very private I just use my super secret handle : BarnabyFan243_35yr_kraft_sidmarty

Barnaby, Sid and Marty? Hockey's a great thing, but Eastern Conference?

I meant Barnaby Jones and Sid and Marty Krofft, but I accidentally said Kraft. :_(

what is a hockey?

A hockey is a line 7 feet, 9 and 1/4 inches away from the front of the dart board, that you must stand behind to throw your darts legally.

On a page full of fights, I ran out of chubbies.

So v-chub, and I hope that someday you find out what a hockey is.

I just got back from watching my Eastern Conference team get their assed kicked by a Western Conference team. I hate that.

It happens, man. Carolina fan, I assume?

(and just so we're clear, I didn't go googlestalking FOS - I made an educated guess based on the NHL scores from Sunday night between Eastern and Western conference teams. Although that picture of a MacAllan bottle speaks to my heart in ways words fail...)

Assumption correct. And the news today is a mixed bag: Justin Williams could be back this week (months ahead of schedule), but Cam Ward is out for at least 3 games.

It's just not fair, damn it!

Hockey's a cruel bitch goddess. My team (the Flames) are pretty close to injury free, but they don't play like it. Bertuzzi's been invisible since the first month, Iggy's playing when he feels like it, and Phaneuf's -7. How the hell does this happen?

(on the other hand, we paid back the Nucks this weekend, which was nice...)

They say they don't care until they don't get hired. Then, they care.

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If I am doing something in public, I am not going to be offended or throw a fit if someone notices that I am doing it in public. I am not going to get angry at them for noticing.


once i was changing at a friend's apartment and i forgot to lock the door to the bathroom. in fact, it might have even been slightly ajar as it was late and i was pretty sure no one would be up. well, one of the roommates stumbled in, we startled each other, he slammed the door shut, but he totally saw me naked. later i ran into him and he apologized first, and then i apologized, and it was a huge apology-fest.

what's different here though, is that heccibiggs was not doing whatever IN OUR FACES. if you are doing something in public and someone walks by and notices, well they can't help but notice. similarly, if i am changing in someone's bathroom, leave the door unlocked, and he happens to walk in on me naked, he could not help but see me naked. theirateturk COULD help his finding heccibigg's video, and he COULD help posting it on assetbar. i think this is the relevant public/private distinction here.

So sorry, but being in a bathroom with the door closed is not the same as doing it in a public square.

And like it or not, anything you post on the internet is in the public square.

In my view, any statements that ignore distinctions show a lack of understanding. So the fact that you keep saying this shows that you do not understand the Internet. There are varying degrees of privacy, as there are in real life. If you refuse to acknowledge that there is a difference between responding to someone's comments on a forum and snooping around for a page that they have not linked to by searching their name, just as there's a difference between overhearing someone's loud conversation in the middle of a public square and deliberately listening in on a quiet conversation between two people having a picnic in a park (which is also public), then I don't know what to tell you.

I am not the one who thinks stuff posted in the public square is somehow private.

You are free to think that I don't understand. I know that I do. What you think does not affect me.

I think I heard something like this in third grade, let me see if I can recall...

I'm rubber and you are glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

I think... yes that is about right!

Well, if that were what had happened, I would readily admit it.

Instead, someone has compared something that anyone can easily see to something private. Has compared YouTube to email or IM.

And then, because I continually point out that YouTube is public, whether or not the poster wants to pretend it is somehow magically private, that I am lacking in understanding.

I have pointed out that his totally mistaken idea is irrelevant to reality. I have pointed out that his bizarre notion is irrelevant to me. I have said nothing that in any way resembles "bounces off me and sticks to you."

But if it makes you happy to think that, please, go ahead.

Wait. According to your logic, I have done it again.

Dag, yo.

See? It is impossible to escape. Well actually there are two very simple solutions.

1) Beat the shit out of that kid.
2) Ignore that kid.

I agree with what you have to say Biff, don't get me wrong. Yes it is not cool to stalk people, but some people are not cool and will stalk you. Right?

My whole point here is:

Don't act all surprised and hurt when something you make public becomes public.

I think it is at best in very poor taste for someone to stalk someone on the internet. To take something that intended for a small audience, and against their will, spreading it to a wider audience. Poor taste at best.

But I also think there is no grounds for outrage and a sense of betrayal when something that was posted to YouTube is viewed.

These are good distinctions elbow. However, everyone needs to be aware (and I say this without a hint of conspiracy) that everytime the average person does ANYTHING on the internet, there are at least 2 other people who know.
1. Your ISP.
2. The Host of the site you do it on.

You need to pay attention, in particular to things like the new ISP law going in Austrailia and the provision of the Patriot Act in America that makes it so there are no consequences for the providers when they give your information out.

Want an everyday example?
When you sign up for Google, you make a deal with the devil...fantastic services, but they come with a price and that is no privacy on anything you do there including your email, calendar, etc. Ever notice that the ads on your google pages conform to what you have recently looked at on the internet and even sometimes things you mention in your gmail? Did you know that Google maintains at least 18 months of history on every user? If Google's stock keeps dropping, why wouldn't they change their stance on privacy and start selling these histories?

I am not saying these things are evil or there is some big conspiracy...but you need to know it is there. While Elbow is right there are distinctions, I would argue that you mind as well ignore them where the internet is concerned. If you wouldn't do it in public, don't do it on the internet, unless you don't care...in which case...carry on.

Yeah. I have little to say about the ethical issues, but hell of chubbies to History about the practical issues. I'd add: let people 'Net-stalk you all they want, and create an absolute barrier between the 'Net and your physical location. Get a P.O. Box and an unlisted land line. NEVER post a photo with others in the picture, and complain to friends who post photos of you (you can control your friends' behavior, unlike the behavior of strangers). Lie a lot, and don't be afraid to contradict yourself -- real-stalkers tend to be less bright than 'Net-stalkers.

Should it turn real, you'll lose all interest in the ethical issues, anyway. It's all pragmatism from there. Might as well get a head start--

This seems like a great time to bring up how security through obscurity is a terrible, terrible idea.

Etiquette is still very important, but let's never forget this either. Just because you think you're unimportant doesn't mean it is unlikely to be seen by the world. I doubt many people who have since become Internet famous for something amusing and embarrassing thought that it would become so widely seen.

holy shit, are you... its Granny Panties!

Yeah, who owns and wears those that often anymore? Even my girlfriend for whom comfort is astoundingly, obsessively important to scary levels at times has started to move more towards wearing merely black thongs or other black underwear when it would be necessary to wear something that would not stain easily.

Thank you belgand, I did fail to mention security through obscurity. It fails every time.

The difference, to me, is one of permanence. I will often discuss things of this nature in public in a loud voice. It is not an issue to me. I am generally aware of where I am and who may hear me and I will adjust what I say as befits that situation. The Internet, however, is not quite the same. That is a tricky issue to me.

Perhaps this is because I am from the the intermediary years.

I try to keep photographs of myself out of circulation basically everywhere online and off (recently I have noted a few that are available, this distresses me, but they are not widespread and are almost never posted directly by me or someone linked to me), but aside from that it would not be hard to find where I grew up, went to high school, or the neighborhood I currently live in. My full name might be a bit harder to track down, but I tend to keep that away as well as the aforementioned pictures. To me this is as much separation as I feel is necessary. Perhaps something else will make me change my mind.

The problem is that sometimes these things become issues entirely within the real world. When my girlfriend was student teaching she was informed that they were often concerns about how you act in public because if parents see you out they may become upset to find that, well, you act like most people would and are not a bastion of purity and education alone. Your boss, depending on your job (a friend has a boss who brings in plenty of alcohol to work and they spend most Fridays drinking at work with company provided alcohol or just going out to bars on occasion... but this is Google) may expect you to behave professionally at all times, even if not explicitly, he may form a negative opinion of you based on your private life.

These are problems with people and not just online/offline issues. In this case it was tricky and both sides were a bit wrong. Yes, it is the Internet and things will show up everywhere. Expecting them to remain private is naive. At the same time, keep it in context. Posting it to Assetbar was perhaps a bit odd and I can see how it could come across as invasive and out of context.

I think the bigger issue is such as potential employers trying to track you down online and judge you. They are crossing the line. That would be, to me, the real world equivalent of hiring a private detective to follow me around. It is creepy, disturbing, and a massive violation of etiquette. Yet many employers think nothing of it.

I think the other issue is that we often still operate under the assumption that our intended audience is the only audience and these things will not transfer out of that. How would many of us feel if our parents were to start following what we say here? This would feel as odd as if our parents were eavesdropping on any other conversation we may be having with friends, but we neglect to realize that it is entirely possible for them to read what was said on Assetbar well after it has been said, unlike in reality.

But that's precisely the point. Just because something is possible doesn't make it right , and I would argue that for your parents or your boss to follow you around online is just as wrong as eavesdropping on your phone conversations. There is no difference. The problem is that people like Biff try to proclaim that the Internet is just this completely ettiquette-free zone where everything you do should be treated as if you were shouting it out to the whole world, and the only possible response is "what did you expect?" That is what is ridiculous to me, because you could just as easily make the same statements about anything you do in real life that is not done entirely within the seclusion of your own home.

Don't put words in my mouth.

If you can't understand what I am saying (and you clearly can't) just shut up about it.

I'm pretty sure Biff was saying you just shouldn't be shocked when someone finds something you made public. Angry, sure. Irritated, most definitely. Not shocked, though.

No, he explicitly said that Hecci "forfeited any right" to be angry when she posted something to YouTube. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words, but there is no other way to interpret that. I outlined several distinctions between public, private, semi-public, and semi-private in both real life and online, which he refused to acknowledge. So I don't think there's been any misinterpretation.

You outlined many places where distinctions only exist in your mind. I clearly outlined why your places are either irrelevant or just plain wrong.

Forfeited any right to be angry that something she had posted in a public place was seen by the public. Then you spun some fantasy where posting video on YouTube was somehow private. I never said it was an etiquette-free place. I said that when you post something where everyone can see it, you forfeit the right to be upset when people see it.

Why am I wasting my time responding to someone who has repeatedly shown that he either is incapable of understanding a nuanced argument, or view the world through some bizarre lens of unreality, or more likely some combination of the two.

I'm going to use analogy in an attempt to break through to you here, Biff, just as was done by our lord the Jesus so many years ago.

You are on a bus having a conversation with your friends. Now, it may be that Americans have some fancy public transport system with sound-proofed cubicles, and it may be I'm being overly presumptuous in thinking that you have any experience with communal transport, rather than owning three constantly idling 4x4s and a horse, and thus I will explain the situation in detail. The bus is crowded. You and your group of friends are sandwiched in, a pair of romantically intertwined teen parents and their wailing children on one side and a tall, gaunt man who is gradually, perpetually tearing out his beard hair on the other. In this situation, you accept that while your conversation may be at a perfectly reasonable volume and quite personal to you and your friends, but seeing as no-one else on the bus is talking, and given that at their distance they can all likely hear you quite easily (Except the student at the back who is glaring at whatever is currently beyond the window and listening to System of a Down loudly enough to make his neighbour worry that they have tinnitus.) you are resigned to the fact that they will all likely be listening to your conversation. They might not be trying to, they might not want to, but they are and if the roles were reversed you would probably be unavoidably paying them the same disrespect. This is no-one's fault.

In this fable, the bus represents YouTube. It is a public forum, and you accept that, given the nature of the system, your personal conversation will likely be heard by others. This you cannot help. You want to talk to your friends, and it is while you are on the bus that you can best manage this. You expect the undesired audience to sit there, take in the few personal details revealed as a means of judging you, and then get off the bus and promptly forget all about it.

In this metaphor, The Irate Turk is the bearded man with the maggot in his brain. He often gets the same bus as Hecci, and watches her whenever the frequently bra-less sports student isn't in attendance. He, unlike the other bus patrons, does not forget about the conversation. Rather, he hides a tape recorder in his jacket pocket, transcribes the information gained when he goes home, and then puts it on a number of posters and sticks it up around Becci's favourite cafe.

I appreciate that the magnitudes of privacy and offence might vary, here, but try to see that Heccibiggs has as much right to be be annoyed that her semi-private conversation has been drawn to the attention of a group of people for whom it was not intended, as Bus-Hecci has a right to be slightly mortified that every Starbucks visitor of that morning has been shrewdly informed of her reaction to the occurences on X-Factor. YouTube is the best video hosting site available, and it doesn't (as far as I'm aware) allow you to render videos private. Or maybe it does, but it was awkward for Hecci to do so while allowing her blog audience to still see it easily. Hecci probably isn't upset that her video has been seen by others, she's likely resigned herself to that fact. The transgression in this case is that the Irate Turk, in his naivete, has made the effort to track down a video of Hecci and then, in his thoughtlessness, has broadcast it specifically towards a forum of people that Hecci herself had no interest in showing it to.

And if you've just been maintaining this argument in an effort to stay in character with your iconatar, this has all been for nought.

Please, people! No more terrible analogies!

Well I'm sorry if you don't respect Jesus' debating techniques. He was called the Messiah for a reason, y'know.

So sorry, but that dog won't hunt.

Not even close.

Not even dreaming of getting close to being close.

Not even close enough that I can say "Nice try."

Because it wasn't a nice try.

It wasn't even close.

See, the problem is not breaking through to me. The problem is not getting me to understand.

The problem is that you don't understand. The problem is that YouTube is not private or semi-private or kinda private or even a little private. YouTube is as public as it as possible to be. Unless you are tapping directly into people's brains, it is not possible to be more public than YouTube. It is not possible.

As long as you hold the fantasy that there is any privacy at all in YouTube, you will continue to fail to understand.

IT'S BEEN THREE DAYS. CAN WE PLEASE LET THIS GO NOW. PFAH.

In my job I deal with people who don't understand on an everyday basis. It is my job to make them understand. So when they demonstrate that they don't understand, I work to make them understand.

I realize none of you are in my algebra class. I realize I should just shut up already.

But when someone addresses me directly, or uses my name, or attributes something to me that I didn't say, or attributes something to me that is the opposite of what I said, I find it very difficult to just let it go.

I realize this is a character flaw. I realize that, even thought I have come a long way towards controlling this obnoxious part of my personality, I still have a long way to go.

I apologize to you all for exercise my pedantic nature. I am aware that none of you are my students, and that I should just shut up.

I am sorry.

I will try to do better.

That wasn't specifically directed at you, just all of you still continuing this asinine argument.

Yes, but I understand my part in dragging all of this out.

I apologize for my part.

Where can I sign up for you algebra class?

I think you'd prefer my class on Fuck Algebra. We've got a couple of hot variables here that like it on both sides of the equation. Want to come try a number of operators on them until we establish their value?

Yes I would, yes indeed. The last (and first) time I was was in Whale's Vagina was for my mother's Fortyfifth birthday. It was not much of a party.

I mean I'm down if you're down, but I don't want to be a pushy internet stalker.

I do not live in West Virginia. I cannot think of something more horrible I could be accused of. Well, actually, I can, but for the purposes of this conversation and the need to emphasize this point I cannot.

If any Assetbarbarians find themselves in the Bay Area I will totally be up for hanging out, however. You are good people. Even the ones who are not.

Whales Vagina, Anchorman Reference, San Diego, San Francisco.

My thought process.

Ah, I never desired to see that. I find Will Ferrel to be... unpleasant . I will, however, be using it as a term for West Virginia. Is that how it is used in the film? I do not entirely care. I will use it that way now. I just don't want to make a reference to something that I do not want to reference and that I will not understand myself.

Nah he is an idiot, he is all, "when the spanish found san diego they blah blah blah. it means a Whale's Vagina." he was trying to impress a girl.

No wonder you are a dick belgand. Half my family is from West Virginia. They are nice people.

My girlfriend's family is from North and bits of South Carolina. I always give her shit about it. The South is a bad place. A very bad place.

My father lived for a few years in South Carolina and I visited occasionally. It did not in any way improve my opinion of the place.

At the local community college these days.

OK OK OK

Youtube is like the Industrial revolution, and irateturk is like the PUPPY WHO LOST HIS WAY!

YES!

SHUT UP SHUT UP I'M SO BORED OF THIS WHY ARE YOU SO INCREDIBLY DESPERATE TO PROVE THE POINT THAT I WAS WRONG IN BEING UPSET, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU GO ON ABOUT IT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE FACT THAT POSTING THAT VIDEO HERE PISSED ME OFF PRETTY MUCH NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU MAYBE JUST MAYBE THERE'S A POSSIBLITY THAT YOU ARE WRONG BUT THERE'S NO WAY YOU'LL EVEN CONSIDER THAT FOR A SECOND BUT OH MY GOD YOU'RE JUST GOING ON AND ON AND FUCKING ON SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHUT THE ALMIGHTY FUCK UP

OH MY GOD THAT IS THE MOST ADORABLE GOD DAMN AVATIR THINGY EVER.

HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT

I literally just e-mailed Onstad begging him to put a new strip up so everyone can move the fuck on from all this fucking drama, and he replied (!) and said there'll be one up in half an hour. So get it all out of your systems now, yeah?

Right now it is saying "41 minutes ago" so another promise broken by Internet comics Dad. I mean, I realize how hard it is to estimate these sorts of things and how much work likely goes into it, but at this point he just shouldn't make any claims.

Or he should try to build up a backlog of work and use that to stay on a regular schedule.

Oh you mean exactly what sje suggested and everyone bitched at him because he said it was the same idea that Randall Munroe does?

You mean the exact same thing?

Really?

I'm not certain as I don't recall that conversation.

I am just saying that since he doesn't really do topical strips and often works in longer arcs recently it would be a good idea to do a week or two worth of strips in advance and then dole them out two or three times a week on a regular schedule. He can use the time to work on strips for the future and thus stay on time. This is, I believe, what most professionals and steady web cartoonists (who keep to a regular schedule, have time-consuming art or are not just insanely fast, and are not topical) tend to do.

It was in the strip that came before this, and everyone was like ACHEWOOD IS SO MORE ADVANCED CHRIS COULDN'T DO THAT YOU SUCK.

Really the only argument against keeping a buffer is that it could prevent topical comics, but Achewood doesn't do that in the first place. I guess if he's not writing enough strips it's a problem no matter when they actually get posted.

I remember this. You're right. It was exactly what I suggested and everyone shot it down because XKCD is such a terrible comic.
*sigh*

Odd. I said that... well, only a few strips ago or maybe on the last strip. I don't recall anyone responding to it though.

Philippe!


What makes you think I am talking to you?

Okay, seriously, now you're just being a douche. Come on, man. Come on.

Your avatar makes it very difficult to read this without smiling...I see a little stuffed otter bouncing up and down, yapping furiously in a strident bark.

What are they saying?

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Your avatar makes it very difficult to read this without smiling...I see a little stuffed otter bouncing up and down, yipping furiously in a strident bark.

Fix'd.

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Your avatar makes it very difficult to read this without smiling...I see a little stuffed otter bouncing up and down, yiffing furiously in a strident bark.


You still had a typo in there. Fixed it for you.

Also, sicko.

F%$#!!!
This is the guy who wrote Ulysses, who can't even spell yiff right.

I should lurk ED more.

When you have ED you can't really do much more than lurk.

=(

Gaia Extended Discussion?

Furlysses*

When a girl wears a skirt, in a way she is opened to the world. I mean, there is nothing separating her undies from the outside world. She has to rely on point of view; most people walk with their eyes well above any vantage point that will give them a good view.
Perhaps the girl should not be wearing a skirt at all, and it is her fault if a man takes a picture of her with a camera. Or perhaps the man is a perv who violated her expectations of privacy.

What about when a lady does not wear undergarments beneath her skirt? Is this because she wants people to look? Will she derive a secret joy from this (or an open joy? Or just plain old regular joy?) perhaps? Is it because it is intended for a special person (or persons!) and not for general consumption? Does it make her feel daring knowing that someone could look, but she is too shy to want them to actually do so and it is all in the tension? Was she just in a hurry, likes the feeling of freedom, or ran out of clean underwear? Is she just really worried about panty lines?

There are lots of issues going on here and not all can be ascertained easily.

This is also taking it to other areas. It's not like someone posted her erotic fanfic to Assetbar. It might be closer to just linking to her high school yearbook (assuming it was online... tracking it down in meatspace, scanning it in, and posting it is a rather involved amount of work that just makes it extra-creepy). It was clearly public, but it's still creepy that someone brought it up here.

yeah, i want to go ahead and apologize for wallowing around in the above gender studies revival. Interesting discussion, I feel, but it didn't belong here.

really though if any of you have asseterotica go ahead and just share with all of us so it isn't some embarrassing discovered in your livejournal months from now thing

There she was, standing over me looking down. "What a firm opinion you have." She giggled before telling me her own thoughts and ideas, we talked at great length and plunged into great detail...

You're ridiculous! You are a ridiculous person! I don't think you even read my post! That's fair, as it was long and possibly quite repetitive, but I'm still annoyed by you putting words in my mouth! I didn't even claim that YouTube was private! I'm exclaiming a lot!

But yeah, you can try to read through it again and refute a point that I actually made, if you feel like it.

Sorry, it was such a horrible story, and so difficult to read, that I just gave up.

If my failure to slog all the way through that terrible mishmash led me to put words in your mouth, or to misrepresent what you said, you have my abject apology.

I am sorry.

Nice job comparing yourself to Jesus, though.

I agree. Sermon on the Bus was by far the most boring of the Platitudes.

Be fair to Jesus. He had been in classes all day and basically just wanted to get home and hit the rowing machine. Work off the stress, y'know? It ain't easy.

Much better.

Actually, while a lot of Americans are certainly unlikely to be familiar with actually riding on the bus you're ignoring that almost every public transit trip will involve at least one person talking either very loudly into their cell phone or talking very loudly to their douchebag friends on the bus with them.

People seem almost entirely unable to control the volume of their own voices. Why is that when everyone in, say, a restaurant is being loud nobody else is willing to speak a little bit quieter to the people near them instead of just shouting more and making it worse?

How do you make a video whisper on Youtube?

Your analogy sucks more dicks than your beloved Kate. I wanted you to know this.


Oh my god dude that is so unnecessary.

A bit like your sycophantic bullshit

Wow dude I've been trying to think of ways to make up for making fun of you in the past and now I generally don't give a shit anymore.

Considering the fact I fucking stood up for you.

Calm down bro we're not shooting a fucking western here

Please stop being so irate. I think you have to relax a bit.

:/

Considering how shitty these next two weeks are going to be for me (finals week) I'm sorry I took that out on you turk, but seriously you have no right to be a dick to me or anyone else here for that matter.

today is my birthday and all i want is you two to share a big ol friendship kiss right here on this, the bus we call an internet, for all the world to see

HAPPY BIRTHDAY AUTREPOUPEEEEE!!!!!!!

*MAKES 7 CHHEESEBURGERS RAIN DOWN ON YOU RIGHT THIS MINUTE*

Don't it suck for us to have a birthday the same month of Christmas?
Inside: That's cool, ain't nobody gonna buy me a present anyway.

;_( It does definitely blow. At first people are all like, Oh wow that has to be pretty awesome, it is like double Christmas!

I'm sure as all we December and even January babies can attest to, it's just not that great. Less gifts on the average, because most people are trying to save for Christmas shopping, and there is no breaks during Spring and Summer for fun gifty-times. So yeah, one gift season, but then a major dry spell.

I'm trying to get legislation off the ground to officially make July 4th a Federal Gift Holiday.

U IN

Yeah, my girlfriend has a late January birthday and it completely sucks. It falls right between Christmas and Valentine's Day and she's incredibly hard to shop for.

This is why I love having an August birthday. It's perfectly timed and isn't even remotely near any other gift holiday so I tend to mop up.

SURPRIIISE! Belgand actually WASN'T doing cocaine! Happy Birthday!

YAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm... I can appreciate the reference, but I don't know that I come across as either anything like Todd or the type to do cocaine.

We need to define the drugs that each Assetbarbarian is best represented as consuming.

I get dibs on sexually released endorphins!

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Uh...none. Unless alcohol counts.

Sugar and caffine!!

Oh, and copious amounts of meth.

no no little girl, you can have the sugar or the caffeine or the meth. We only get one drug each.

My birthday is January 3 but I don't mind. I still get presents twice.

My family is basically ridiculous for this. More than 1/4 of my relatives were born within a week of Christmas. Including 1 on the 24th and 1 on the 26th.

What happens in March that makes your family so horny?

First snowdrops.

Flowers make Canadians hella horny, and well, once you're pregnant you don't get pregnant again until next year.

I recently ordered some RB cards, chubby for making your own awesome one. Need to pitch that to the main man.

Also I tried to chubby you three times, it just shot me to the top of the screen.

CAN@T YOU SEE THAT I'M THE REAL VICTIM HERE!!

<3

I mean I see that you were attacked and I understand the whole public domain argument but I think you should have talked to her in private about the whole thing. I was only mad at you when you started being an ass to people who didn't do a damn thing to deserve it.

We did settle the matter in private.

And anyone I never insult anyone without basis.

I mean before, the before situation.

And telling i_love_kate that kate sucks many dicks is just rude and you called my a sycophant and shit like that.

Yeah, that just isn't the way a man should behave.

I hope your finals are on how to be a jerk because then you would have no studying to do and we could continue arguing about this!!

RAGAGAGAGAGAGAGA.


but both of those things are true

I still don't know what it means despite it being an SAT word and I'm not looking it up because I will be PISSED.

Man, stop being such a sychophant. Also kate is a lady, she can blow whomever she wishes!

She can blow them on her way to the parking lot. She can blow them in a box, with a fox. Oh wait, that's not called blowing anymore if that's what's happening. Unless the fox is a third party in which case I want in.

"Try not to suck any dick on the way to the parking lot!"

*turns around*

who's sucking dicks where?

Kate. She hangs out around Rosemary and Cameron handing out the Bhagavad gita so that's probably the best place to go looking.

She's everything I want.

I just assumed what with all the guns and the horses... oh my... oh my god. Are we shooting these horses?!?

Her main argument is this: she posted a vlog for her friends. If other people saw it, it wasn't like she said "HEY CHECK OUT MY VLOG!!! IT'S AWESOME" but because we are all sometimes curious about someone's comments/profile and want to know more. Everything was fine until irateturk decided to put her face on here. Sure she made the decision to make the vlog but irateturk was wrong in posting images like a goddamned shrine to her. It does almost seem stalkerish and freaky. We all have different comfort levels and irateturk definitely crossed hers.

So, to sum it up: Heccibiggs should have been a little more careful in making up an account with a name that she didn't exactly use her name or comment with that username on a place most people would know her. Irateturk shouldn't have been a dick and posted her photos as that was a violation of her privacy (she can violate her own, you can't do that for her).

Heccibiggs 1 Irateturk -0

well that doesn't make sense because her av is a picture of her.
Certainly the point isn't how careful she was about her handle; she shouldn't have to take that kind of thing into consideration. The thing is that she mentioned the fact on this very forum.

I guess I'm confused by this because I didn't realise people were making so many comments about stalking as a joke and chubbying girls' comments based on the fact they are girls, or are considered cute. That's infantile.

Apart from that I thought this is what the internet is FOR.

You find a thing you like. There is a community that shares their appreciation. Someone in that community has an interest you share. You investigate that interest.

That's stalking?

I agree turk's posting of your video here was inappropriate, especially as it was unrelated and therefore probably not very interesting to most people here, so there was no real point to it. However it seems to have been a catalyst for a reaction that was meant for the Assbar at large. How he came to find that video should not be the subject for vilification.


I don't want to seem like I'm arguing with HB's point of view, just the arguments and analogies used to defend it. The internet is NOT the street, the very anonymity of it is exactly how and why people find things and other people they would not otherwise.
And trying to drag a 'character poster' like hedonismbot into is hardly appropriate.

As an incoherent person, I regret not having access to decachubbies to use on this thread (and also kilolames).

Yeah, a friend of mine is someone I met because they were on the San Francisco group on Last.fm and linked to their LiveJournal in their profile. I followed the link, they seemed interesting, and had posted something recently about how all their friends were out of town for the summer and they weren't really doing much, etc. I had only recently moved to the city and didn't know many people, we struck up a conversation, and now we're friends and I'm moving into her former apartment.

At the same time it could have come across as totally stalkerish and weird. I was just looking for people nearby that shared similar interests in music that I could be friends with.

Ultimately we need to acknowledge that this is a very tricky and delicate area. Sometimes things work out, other times they don't. We're all still getting used to how these things work and a lot of us here on Assetbar are still doing some growing up and getting used to the world at large, let alone the complex area of personal relations on the Internet and how this relates to the rest of the world.

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Usually the people I've heard saying things like this ("your boss can see your MySpace page!") are of the pre-Internet generation, so I can see why they wouldn't "get it". The thing is that for a lot of our generation, not just the nerds, the Internet is synonymous with your life, not some "public" domain that can be separated from the "private" things you do offline. It's the main way of keeping in touch with friends, finding out about events, and interacting with people. So to tell someone, for instance, that they should be careful not to post anything online that could make them look "unprofessional" is basically saying that they shouldn't have a life.


I have a different perspective on this, based on my experience as a member of the transitional generation that built the web and thus opened the private/public Pandora's Box that you decry.

It is reasonable that you want to keep aspects of your life separate. It isn't necessarily easy, though, whether on the Internet or out in the real world. When you apply for a job, it's likely that your prospective employer will search for your name. Google isn't selective; it will show both the paper you published at a conference (thus making you look like an exceptionally well qualified candidate) and your MySpace page full of drunken photos (thus making you look somewhat less qualified).

This highlights, I think, a fundamental difference between the Internet and real life. In real life, your boss would have to travel to your local pub to actively pursue details of your weekend activity. In contrast, the Internet brings the pub to your boss--who didn't even have to be actively looking for it at the time. In the real world, it's possible for your activity to be broadcast to people who know you but weren't actively trying to track you down--imagine your luck, for example, if you call in sick to work in order to go to an afternoon baseball game, only to find your picture in the newspaper because you were sitting in front of the kid you caught the game-winning ball--but it's much more likely on the Internet, where search engines cast a wide net.

In my real-life job, I do often search for the names of job candidates who've applied for positions in my department. If I find stuff relevant to the position for which they've applied, it helps me better understand the applicant's experience. And what if I find search results not relevant to the position? Well, my personal approach is to subdivide "professional" vs "nonprofessional" into two independent dimensions: "work-related" vs "non-work-related" and "jerk" vs "non-jerk." Stuff that's non-work-related doesn't bother me. (Again, this is my personal perspective, although most people I've encountered in my industry seem to operate according to similar principles.) If someone applies for, say, an engineering role and the first ten search results for their name are from anime fan fiction message boards, I really don't care. But if their top search result is a blog rant entitled "an open letter to all you fucking ignorant assholes who hate fan fiction," I'll have serious concerns about whether that person will be able to interact with colleagues in a constructive manner when under deadline pressure. Similarly, if their LinkedIn page says "I worked at XYZ Inc. for just two months because they lacked the intelligence to understand my vision," even though that particular corner of the Interweb is directly related to that person's professional life, it suggests a data point at the wrong end of the jerk/non-jerk continuum.

The walls you hope to maintain between your different online personas are likely to be breached in plenty of non-career situations, too. After that blind date that goes surprisingly well, your potential new significant other is going to google you and form judgments based on what shows up. And the first time your parents start using the Interweb, they'll probably search for you also.

In all these situations, the Robustness Principle seems like the best policy. Be liberal in what you consume (i.e., judge someone's online presence by whether they're a good citizen of the communities they inhabit, not by your own prejudices about those communities) and conservative in what you publish (when posting something in a public community, assume that it will be consumed by people outside that community).

Those are all good points, but you have to realize that if everyone were so careful in what they publish, Internet communities wouldn't be able to exist, or at least they would be severely restricted in the extent of the connection that could be formed among its members. I have a huge problem with any philosophy that would make something like the Handface Weekend impossible, because regardless of some of the shit that has followed, it was awesome and a glimpse of what the Internet should be.

I know some people who, having taken all these precautions to heart, have converted their Facebook pages into nothing more than virtual resumes. This strikes me as incredibly sad, another triumph for soulless capitalism.

My whole point was that the online/offline distinction is already somewhat meaningless and will only become more so in the near future. Google already has images of the entire Earth, down to being able to see the numbers on your house. More communication will happen online, and more of the "real" world will be captured on the Internet. As these methods of surveillance increase, are any outlets for self-expression going to be fair game for judging your "character"?

I think this xkcd comic sums it up pretty well.

I concur. I tend to think it's a bit of a dick move for a potential employer to try and search you out online. They are intentionally prying and it's not really appropriate.

I try to keep this separation by keeping my online handle out of anything business related and by having a name so generic that I cannot find myself online using it. Even using my middle initial only brings up tons of people with the same name.

I realize that this isn't going to keep me entirely safe, but I feel that it's the best I can currently do.

Glad to hear someone coming from my side of the fence, Mr. Void. I'm in the same boat you are - involved in the hiring decisions for my team - and I'll be honest. As soon as I've picked through the resumes HR drops off, and have thrown out the obviously non-qualified, I google the name and the given email address of the applicants. If the search gives me a Facebook or Myspace profile, I look at it.

To be clear: I'm looking - and only looking - for obvious deal-breakers, stuff that's easily found and, frankly, has the potential to embarrass my company. Like featurelessvoid, I'm trying to get a feel for any assholish behaviour I can expect in the future. You use your best judgement, too. Kid fresh out of university has some pictures of him and his buddies gettin' tanked at the campus bar? That's expected. 35-year-old's got pictures of him grinding a coed at the same bar, wedding ring in full view? That's a headache in a suitcase.

It ain't fair, but that's life...so if you've decided to document your life online, don't expect the reactions to be fair.

I think it's inappropriate, however. They also provided you with their address, does that now make it acceptable to wander over to their house and check out their yard? Maybe hang around for a while and see what you find out? If they perhaps speaking loudly on the telephone with their window open wouldn't it be inappropriate for you to listen in? What if they were obviously talking about something you judge to be inappropriate?

People have the right to have separate personal and professional lives regardless of their profession (yes, even politicians unless they do something that amazingly impacts on their career like, say, being strongly in support of anti-gay legislation and then trying to get a blowjob from some dude in an airport bathroom). You have decided to go peering into their personal lives which you have no right to do.

That's exactly right, I agree. While yeah, it's going to happen and you should prepare yourself for it, it's not exactly right.

I'm sure if I did some in-depth investigations of the manager at the local big box store, say followed him around after work (being legal, and all), I'd find something a wee bit sordid. As is for everyone.

I don't really think most people would not hire someone over a few drunk pictures on Myspace or something, but those that do, should be a little ashamed.

I think it can be more than that. I have a right to have personal opinions that, while I may share them on the Internet, are not privy to my employer. There are plenty of things that I may be strongly in favor of, but which I will keep quiet about at work out of a need for professionalism. I see the ability for discrimination to be astoundingly high here.

Not to mention my right to be critical of my workplace and co-workers (or previous workplace) without someone then going over it in the future and failing to hire me because I'm not a team player .

Generally if I have a problem with a co-worker the only reason I'm not calling you a fucking dick to your face is because I realize the need to get along together at work and I can deal with that. I still have the right to loudly call you a fucking dick elsewhere by name and not have you prying into whether I might be doing so in a semi-public space.

Then I advise you to encrypt your real name with something stronger than Pig Latin. You have a right to say whatever about whomever, and whomever has a right to judge you for it. Where does this last right you mention come from? Whose obligation is it to secure it for you?

I have the most common last name in the United States and one of the more common first names. It would be like searching for John Smith.

Unless you link it to something, Dr. Science.

Yeah, alright you got me there. But that's the reason to keep an appropriate degree of separation between things like e-mail addresses and the like. Then it might as well be anyone with the same name.

Bring it up with the potential employee to make sure it won't be a problem, maybe. Unless there are photos of them engaging in the kind of illegal activities that result in serious jail time, I can't think of much on the internet that would necessarily have an impact on their performance at work.

I think the difference from Internet and public spaces is permanence. When you say something in a park, the next million people to visit that park don't all get a chance to hear it. But when you post something on youtube, it's there until you take it down, and people are going to find it if it's in any way connected to you. I personally go to extremes in keeping all personal information hidden (the more specific, the less likely I am to ever mention it). Part of it I suppose is being judged on merit rather than presuppositions, it is not always an improvement (trans/ambiguous gender particularly frowned upon in some circles) but generally I find that easier to deal with than all the preconceptions and biases linked to either of the popular genders.

I think the problem is that searching for that sort of thing, actively going to someone's personal site or such is an entirely unprofessional activity on the part of the hiring manager.

It might be like peering into a friend's medicine cabinet if left ajar. Yes, you have every ability to do so and they willingly let you in there, alone, but you're a colossal dick if you go snooping.

When you go to the pub, do you expect everyone at the pub to 'respect a seperation in your pub activities from your personal activities' or do you guard yourself against people following your home?

This is the same. Do not be fooled. The basic rules of human interaction still apply here.

Actually, yes. I don't expect random people to follow me home from public places all the time. If I had to worry about that at all times it would be astoundingly paranoid.

Wouldn't it be weird if your boss, having overheard what bar you hang out at, came there and watched you from a distance, expecting you to act professionally?

That's not really a similar situation, now, is it? It's actually more like "If you put up a picture of yourself at a bar on a billboard and your boss saw it, would you consider it an invasion of your privacy?"

That's a ridiculous analogy, mainly because putting up posters of yourself on a billboard is not a normal activity and thus would warrant attention in itself, whereas having a vlog is entirely normal. The internet-as-billboard analogy is flawed precisely because the internet consists of various communities.

And unless these are private and member's only, are easier to find than a billboard. You can't just say 'Joe Bloggs' and see his billboard.

It is your analogy that is lacking.

And having a vlog is not entirely normal.

It really is a generational thing, I think. While vlogs aren't necessarily real average to have yet, a blog, social networking page, or well...just general information is. The best thing to do is keep your real name far, far, far away from anything you have to do on the internet. All you'll see to google my real, full name is an Amazon wishlist and some article about how great I was in the radio program at my high school. Which employers are more than welcome to read and consider.

If I ever buy into facebook, I'd almost definitely maintain seperate "internet" and "real" profiles, because I want to keep them unlinked. I'm creeped out by internet people calling me by my real name regardless how close a friend they are. I only find that appropriate when I've met them in meatspace.

AAAAAAARRRGGGHHHHHHH CAN WE FUCKING STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT OH MY FUCKING GOD YOU GUYS

Yes. This has officially become the least interesting thread in the history of the internet.

Rapist.

Those are some dope beats, rapist. You know what to do with words, to make a phat rap, yo.

Right? I'm not saying that a lot of these people don't have legitimate arguments, but I have an actual real life headache.

Did somebody say members only? Hey-O!


Don't worry HB, I'm not going to watch it.

'cept I'm on your ignore list right? Would this have been comforting or even creepier anyway...

What?

I'm not going to be creepy and watch this, but maybe that actually makes me even more creepy?

So...your new avatar? What is that? A closeup of hair? Or a wooden floor?

*sniff sniff, stroke stroke*

I don't know if it's just me, but I'm still seeing the old picture, and the new avatar is only showing up in the little pop up window when I mouse over it.

stop using netscape

Yes, it's just a 50x50 image of my hair. I wanted to be still in some way recognizable. Hopefully I'll find something better soon.

Also, theirateturk has apologised to me privately and I've accepted it, so you can all stop calling him creepy on my behalf or wtvr.

I'm not saying it's this season's handface or anything, but the haircloseup icon has the potential to be a Thing.

HEAD HAIR PLEASE

Yeah, only head hair. I ain't want no closeup of anyone's pubics.

Old image in the cache. A few options, assuming internet explorer:

- Delete temporary internet files and change setting to check for new versions of stored pages on every visit
- Hold CTRL, hit Refresh button (this should work on its own, but it's a one-shot deal to re-fetch images on that occasion)

You'll know it worked if you see the devil puppet instead of Angst Beef

BTW, is the second video any good? I want to see it, but it's posted on HB's private website (youtube.com).

You stop that sass right this instant.

Actually I'm afraid it might refer to me, but also afraid it might not refer to me...

Also I changed it again. Now it is Philippe. Offering hugs. Tiny cuddly otter hugs.

Now leave me alone, fuckheads.

Yeah, fuckheads.

(Okay, I've established the side I've taken in the affair without actually contributing. Now I just need to delete this internal monologue that I've written in brackets and I'll be good to hit the post button.)

Man! Jeez!

assetbar more like drama bar am i rite

U R RITE.

but cuddly hugs are being offered.

you expect us to ignore this?

A fundamental concept of modern life ---

NEVER put anything into writing (or youtube, etc.) that you don't want:

read in public, in front of your mother, at your trial.

See how that works?

And people wonder why I won't talk about my crazy fetishes...

I appreciate that this may be explained further into this forest of contention, but why the avatar?

"Yes, hello, did you happen to know that your son is a breast enthusiast? Did you know that he spends his time reading a comic strip in which a cartoon cat fantasizes about his elderly friend's stripper girlfriend, watching her micturate, and attempting to pursue a relationship with her after his friend's demise?"

Micturate is a word that is not even close to being used enough.

I worry that most modern users are just doing so because it was used in The Big Lebowski. This makes me sad.

People also rarely expectorate these days. Well, outside of medicine that is. Nor do they spark with their best gal.

Actually, what always amazes me is just how dirty heavy petting really is. I had always assumed it was more of a second-base Advanced Make-outs sort of grope and fondle-fest, but no. No, I was wrong. It is about cold rubbing someone off. We must never underestimate how filthy people have always been.

Your great-grandmother totally yanked off your grandfather great-grandfather* while they were dating.
___
* I made the mistake initially and it was too funny not to keep it. I never intended to imply that your great-grandmother and grandfather had an incestuous affair primarily manifested by handjobs.

What's with all the James Joyce references lately?

I don't see the reference in this comment, but I am resposible for about 90% of the Joyce references, because I really like James Joyce.
I am also resposible for about 90% of all the Beatles references too.

Oddly, the Beatles despised James Joyce.

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JOHN: "Well, when they said James Joyce I hadn%u2019t... I must have come across him at school but we hadn%u2019t done him like I remember doing Shakespeare and remember doing so-and-so. I remember doing Chaucer a bit, or somebody like him doing funny words. But I don%u2019t remember Joyce, you see. So, the first thing they say -- 'Oh! He%u2019s read James Joyce,' you know. So I hadn%u2019t. And so the first thing I do is buy Finnigan%u2019s Wake and read a chapter. And it%u2019s great, you know, and I dug it, and I felt as though he's an old friend. But I couldn%u2019t make it right through the book, and so I read a chapter of Finnigan%u2019s Wake and that was the end of it. So now I know what they%u2019re talking about. But I mean, he just went... he just didn%u2019t stop, you know. Yeah."

DOn't know about the other three.
But Lennon liked him sure enough.

Hardly a ringing endorsement. If reading a chapter of Finnegan's Wake qualifies, sure. The Beatles were poor-class kids from Circumstances, hardly avid readers.
Not to say they were dumb, far from it.
Maybe John better liked the version of Tim Finnegan's Wake as sung by the Clancy Brothers. They tip their fedoras Joyce's way when they preface the song with a reference to Joyce seeing a simple ditty as " the meaning of Life, Resurrection, The Universe!" to laughter among the audience. Then they burst into a rollicking, delightful rendition including a wake brawl, Tim sitting up indignantly.
All I needed from it in was that song.
I'm not going to knock Joyce, I never read him enough to have the opinion, although I tried. His style put me off.
I'd just take this moment in time to say it's far better to live your life than read others' stories and descriptions about "life"- in fact, there's no comparison....although surely you can do both.

Actually, John was the only one who was not a poor-class kid from circumstances.

At least he wasn't, according to something he said in the book published from the Playboy interviews.

Not really an endorsement, more like he was digging what Joyce was doing. He only read Joyce after people remarked how similar Lennon's books (A Spaniard in the Works, In His Own Write) are to Joyce's .. . althoiugh Joyce's is a lot more advance. Lennon's books (written before he was famous) were just very absurd/surrea/not really sure.

That said, I don't live my life, but rather than read other people's descriptions about other people's lives, I get immensely jealous and just bury my head in difficult tomes filled with despair. And stuff.

The handjob reference. That's where Bloomsday comes from, it celebrates Nora giving Joyce a handjob.

That seems to be reaching a bit. I can't talk about handjobs now without it being a reference to Joyce because handjobs are central to the plot? They are also, I am led to believe, central to middle school.

No reference was made. I've never actually read Joyce so I'm not even capable of making one. Please mark this in your copy book now.

Hey look a huge argument thing FUCK YOU ASSETBAR

You mean, a Dutch Rudder?

FOR FUTURE SCROLLERS: SAMUEL L JACKSON MARKS THE BEGINNING AND hopeful END OF GENDER RELATED FLAME WAR 17: THIS TIME IT'S ABOUT PRIVACY ISSUES?


WE GET IT?

You know, for an uber-rich bipedal cat, Ray really is an everyman. I mean, who hasn't thought these thoughts about a woman who is soon to be widowed, or, more commonly, soon to be divorced?

I mean, other than the "watching her pee" thing. That's kind of weird.

Who is to say that Mr. Bear is about to die? He's a damn stuffed bear, for christ sakes. An ALIVE stuffed bear.

And even if he DID die...would it make a huge difference? Death isn't exactly permanent in the Achewood universe. Or is death of old age treated differently than other deaths?

Cats have multiple lives. Is this the same for stuffed bears? It is unclear.

STUFFED BEARS CAN'T DIE PERMANENTLY.

Does that statement mean that stuffed bears can die, but their deaths won't be permanent?

Or does it mean that the fact that stuffed bears can't is a permanent situation?

I ask merely for information.

Crap

the fact that stuffed bears can't DIE is a permanent situation?

Stuffed Bears do not die forever, it is a temporary death. They don't even get to go to Heaven or Hell, but some type of fucked Purgatory. It would interesting if Phillipe died, to see where he goes.

The only way you can kill Phillipe is if you cut off his head. Everyone knows that. Then lightning trashes everything around you and you gain his power or something, I was never clear on what that was.

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE ALIVE STUFFED OTTER!

OTTER? I HARDLY KNEW HER

Have ya tried a chicken Tarka? It's like a chicken tikka, ONLY IT'S A LITTLE OTTER!

A little otter, ladies and gentlemen!

You OTTER stop with these jokes.

And Pogo, you OTTER know better than to say that!

Heh heh yeah! You might say I "fucking" hate puns! And you guys should "stop it" because they're "really annoying"!


*crosses fingers for bbcode to work*

I call do-over!

Fuck. The linky part works, but not the picture. What gives, assetbar?

ONLY ONE OF US MAY BE FIVE!

Also, outliving them all would definitely solidify his badassness, as if he needed solidification.

heh! Yeah, who would want to watch a girl pee, right? What a WEIRDO hahahaha.

That sounds like a quite uncomfortable laugh there, my friend.

ha, yeah, tekende's comment was so believably uncomfortable-sounding it makes me feel uncomfortable. Way to type, tekende!


ROBOT ASSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

boo to that.

boo

In future time
The children will work together
to build a giant CYBORG ASS

Robot Ass Parade
Robot Ass Parade

Man things ain't never the same once you seen a girl's stew

I would imagine

You would imagine, wouldn't you?

It's not that different. Assuming you didn't hold a high opinion of the gal as a person to begin with.

So...stew-view ruins your high opinion of the gal?

The stew
that you view
must not make you
go pee-yew?


Is that what you're saying?

Let me just say this true story:

On the way to a Radiohead concert, on a highway on which everyone else was also going to said concert, traffic was getting very bad. Cars were barely moving, tempers getting frayed, and the iPod playlists were starting back over. As we sat at a standstill, I happened to see some commotion in the center lane. Three hipster looking girls got out of a new Beetle and the center girl drops her pants in the middle of the road and squats and begins to pee profusely all over the road, side of the car, and herself. Her two friends held her up. Then they got back in the car which was still not moving due to the shit traffic.

Here is the disturbing part: the girls, though probably a bit tipsy, acted as this was the most normal casual thing to do on any sort of Friday. Peeing all over yourself in the middle of a crowded road with thousands of people all watching, many of whom you will probably see again in the crowd at the concert. They smiled and looked calm, even serene.

Seeing the stew is not a thing to ruin an opinion of a girl, but when urine is pouring forth from it directly and openly in front of you...well...lets just say that we should hope for all our sakes that our good friend Ray does not partake in such viewing.

...it's Peeing in Public with Daedala_x!

Step One: find an isolated area with foliage if you can, but any space with a 2'x2' of ground and no cops will do in a pickle
Step Two: quickly pull down pants OVER your knees, and squat
Step Three: form your hand into a "C" shape, as if you were about to grab an escaped hamster, and use this hand to grab the "crotch" region of your pants from underneath
Step Four: pull the crotch region UPWARDS, that is, in a motion parallel to your torso and away from the ground
Step Five: piss furiously
Step Six: wag your bottom left and right in a one-two-three motion to dispel any remaining droplets
Step Seven: pull up pants and jump back into cab
Step Eight: ignore scowls

Oh my god I need a tissue.

*yoinks tissue from you* *wipes with it* *hands tissue back to you*

large water droplet all forms on the side of your head. blood all leaks out your nose.

tentacles all ravage your nenene

Hmm? What was that?

yo how awesome is this?




mm yea baby, work those suction cups. $85, though. Tentacles got to get paid, son. (that's pronounced, Ten-teh-klees.)

Tentacles, what news from the North?

tentacles all ravage your nenene

Oh my that is foul! Shame on you falseprophet! SHAMEEEEE!

Tentacles? In my nenene?

It's more common than you think

For all the otaku out there - any instances of both sweat-drop and nosebleed happening at once? I guess it would mean they were simultaneously embarassed and aroused...

Image search fails me.

Deadala, you should have a whole series on PBS. How appropriate you use the image of capturing a hamster, given a recent Assetbar exchange on genital nomenclature. One could also use the identical "C" hand form to capture a trouser trout, albeit with a different orientation.

One suggestion: In Step Six, you might recommend the degree of vigor required for successfully wagging away those errant drops. A lackadaisical wag would undoubtedly result in unpleasantly moist undergarments. That would result in universal scowling.

Step Nine: ?????
Step Ten: Profit!

I do hope for your sake this is indeed a true story.

This story is so unfortunately true that we called the local radio station and told them the day of the concert and others called in and corroborated.

"We're the Stones man - we piss anywhere"
Also a true story..

We now know that you are the sort of guy who is into that. Word will be spread around in such a manner as one might do if say the boys were back in town again.

That golden glistening stream, the dainty tinkling sound, the way that she squats ever so gingerly and wipes quickly, almost furtively, as if slightly ashamed yet mischievously pleased at what she has just done; one imagines her lightly putting her hand up to her mouth and softly giggling "Oops! Tee-hee!" as a mild blush spreads over her cheeks...yea, what the HELL man. Gross.

All I want from a lady is STRONG STREAM.

If I can't hear that stream hitting the water from the other end of the house, I am just not interested.

I have this thing about standing right outside the bathroom when my lady pees. Sometimes inside the bathroom too.

dude what the hell

It's just this thing. I like being with her.

I REALLY like being with her.

Now there you've got something to make a movie about. It would be frikkeng reat.

Make it about something you know about. Like this.

You crazy about the girl.

Wait. I have more. You're the guy in the fur hat. You even rest your head on her leg in the bathroom when she's shaving her legs, thereby getting half your face absent-mindedly shaved, a la zapatos & Man Ray, et. al. It can be called Puppy Love.

You bring her a frisbee one day to go play frisbee golf. Instead she tosses it out in the street and you automatically go to get it. Ensuing , a yelp, her face goes frowny.
- to be continued.

Oh dude you took it to a level it needn't go.

Let us again discuss the habit some girls have of running the faucet while they pee.

Why is my girl disgusted by the fact that I am an incredibly noisy pisser?

STREAM ENVY

She also complains that I piss on everything but hey at least i wipe up and clean it!

"DAMNIT YOU PISSED ON THE COUCH AGAIN!"

"Well I wiped it up!"

"AND NOW YOU'RE PEEING ON THE CAT, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU"

How did you know ARE YOU STALKING ME AGAIN DAMMIT I GOT A RESTRAINING ORDER TEKENDE!


Goddammit hamscout. Goddammit.

"NOW YOU'RE PEEING ON HOPE AND DREAMS AND IDEAS"

you said everything

Come, scorpio nadir, you know you love it.

Ahem, come on *

Best. Typo. Ever.

I've lived with women most of my life, achilleselbow. I have sired an intimidating appeasement of fine daughters, any of whom could hand you your ass in a bag any number of ways from finely diced sushi to pummeled, seasoned teriyaki on a stick.

Keep in mind if and when you do settle down with a woman, that 20 years from now, she'll still be pissing like a horse on a flat rock, while you'll be enduring your personal physician's cold, gloved forefinger up your ass to check your prostate's viability and short-term prospects. Which will likely make you Happen to yourself.

So, what was it you meant to say, son?

That this is the second time you've gotten on your little high horse completely unprovoked? That you're a self-righteous and patronizing douche who either completely didn't read my post or is being a turd for some other reason that your reply did not in the least help me fathom? That I don't give two shits about how great your family is or see how it is relevant to what we're talking about here? I don't know, man, pick one.

Oh and I'm not your son, chief.

Well, what exactly are we talking about here, son? You link to your prosey description of a girl pissing and ask what I think of it? Is that lifted from Eliot or some assbag everyone on here is supposed to know?

I answered what I thought of it. Which is not much. Maybe, just maybe you're a jerk and don't know it yet.
Wanna clarify? Or just toss turds?

Your first reply implied that you thought I was somehow disparaging the idea of a girl pissing and were drawing on your extensive life experience to declare that it is a perfectly normal and natural thing. That's the only way I can possibly conceive of your little rant making a modicum of sense, other than you simply wanting to brag about how your daughters can kick my ass. Speaking of which, congratulations on your innovative use of Internet Retard Cliche #354.

So literary references are for assbags... insecure much? In any case, no, it was just me going along with Tekende's post. I'm flattered that you would compare me to Eliot though. I wasn't going for the Nobel here, but the fact that you lamed me suggested not only that you "didn't think much of it" but that it somehow offended your tender sensibilities, which is what I was jabbing at subsequently. A playful jab, in response to which you opened a can of dumbass.

I still am not quite sure exactly what your problem is, though I find myself caring less and less. I leave this discussion even more firmly convinced that age does not equal wisdom.

I've been laughing this whole time, arguments. HA!

what's with the hostility scorpio? achilleselbow was simply making a facetious remark in response to someone else's facetious remark. if that isn't assetbar's one dollar bill, then i don't know what is.

i found his "prosey description" amusing, and i can understand if you didn't, but why threaten him with "handing him his ass in a bag"? why can't we just all be friends?

also, i just imagined my father referring to me as "intimidating" and telling some young man online that i could "hand him his ass in a bag", and i don't know how i feel about that. not that i wouldn't do it for him. but, ya know, that he's not only privy to but visibly proud of my ability to kick asses.

The only way he could make up for this is by providing us with nude pictures of his daughters, post-haste.

Oh, I get it now. It was soft-porn.


I still don't like it.

FUCK YOU Soft-porn.

I'm pretty sure I'm not being hostile, daedala. I thought he was into having a pissing match, since he was invoking me and being rude about it. Maybe he oughtn't do that from now on.

Quote:
Come, scorpio nadir, you know you love it.


He still hasn't explained what he meant or expected, so how do I know except what I read from it?

My take on his post was that it was disparagingly assholey. Maybe I'm too fill-in-the-blank to go hyuk, hyuk, hyuk, wink-wink.
That's what the ass in a bag was about. I wasn't threatening him, and I don't need my daughters doing anything to anyone.

I'm telling him there's plenty of women got way more balls than he does, so he ought not to strut such crap. And to answer your unwritten query to that, boy, you've shown way more than enough vapidity for me to make that value judgement. Easy call.

I still don't know what he meant, and I'm guessing he didn't either, since he hands it off saying it's Tekende's thing. Maybe that's what passes for humor on the achewood b-board. I can pass it by, just don't ask me by name to laugh at or applaud your juvenile stuff.

Don't ask me next time, achilleselbow.


well then you and i have really different ideas of what it means to be hostile.

Oh, girl, don't go getting all cranky. He's over it. Kids can beat on each other and be playing again in 5 minutes. What's the big deal.

Okay, let me spell it out for you: I asked you by name because you lamed me.

Achilleselbow: legendary firestarter and flame warrior. Someone please photoshop the professor's head onto a magic card, please?

Tap achilleselbow 1 Red Mana: Search your library for a Your Mom Joke card and put it into your hand.

Tap achilleselbow 1 Black Mana: Remove a meme card from your graveyard and put it into play.

If there are any female creature cards in play, Achilleselbow gets -5/-5 and cannot attack.

Boom!

You have just given me an extreme hankering to play some Magic The Gathering. Damn you.

Have you guys seen that Magic : The Gathering is advertised on regular people television now? I don't know how to feel about it; maybe they're looking to cash in on the popularity of World of Warcraft as of late? I don't know though, there is a pretty big difference between an elaborate trading card game and paying some Korean guy 20 bucks to level up your Dalek.

Well, since you asked nicely.
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Yeah, the illustration does kind of ruin it. Sorry about the compression artifacts.

DAMMIT

I wish I had a chubby left. Well done, sir. Old layout and everyting. call me

It would be even better with the old 'T' to tap symbol.

I tried to get back in a few years ago, but it didn't entirely take. I only originally played from around the time of The Dark up until Mirage had just come out. I swapped over to the old Decipher Star Wars CCG and played that from A New Hope up until Bespin had just dropped (not long, true, but I ran out of people to play with). Haven't been back to CCGs since. I'm glad. Costs hell of money and my once pricey set of Nightmares, Demonic Hordes, Demonic Advisors and others from Revised and Unlimited just aren't really worth so much these days.

I figured you'd be more of a blue "control deck" type, but black suits you as well. I only played from around Mirage to Stronghold - had a green deck and a white one, and I always got my ass kicked.

Nope. I see what you did there and yeah, I can be controlling and picky in reality, but not in Magic. I played a lot of black, some red, a bit of white, and a decent amount of green. Blue was always just a seasoning. Blue and green was often nice though.

Odd that I liked black because I never sacrifice anything in any games and I'm not willing to take a loss for any sort of gain.

Hmm... now I'm thinking about my old mono-red goblin speed deck.

Why do cool things get lames? This is a cool thing.

Chubs.

Whoops apparently I accidentally lamed it I do not remember thing but I'm gonna commit seppuku because I shamed you all.

you accidentally lamed a comment and then drew attention to it by asking why cool things got lames.
is this awesome? y/n

um oh yeah also by the way I once accidentally lamed a comment. It was like, really early times of me being on assetbar and I went to chubby a comment and my hand slipped and I lamed it and I felt SO BAD that I couldn't even post a 'hey sorry, dude, I just accidentally lamed you! can we be bros?!' comment. instead I just went around the archives and silently gave heccibiggs ten chubbies.
so I totally know what you mean about seppuku.

The thing is I don't even remember trying to give it a chubby/lame. I hadn't planned on it until I saw it had a lame, and then coincidentally that I gave it the lame.

You were probably drunk. I do things like that while drunk.

Mmm? What was that?

haha, ho.

If I followed heccibiggs around, giving her chubbies and such, well... Haha!

Were you drunk? Sometimes I do things like that when I am drunk.

Can you repeat that, I didn't hear you.

Were you drunk? Sometimes I do things like that when I am drunk.

I don't drink.

Woah how did I say the same thing three times without realizing? I am terrible at things.

Were you drunk? Sometimes I do things like that when I am drunk.

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Like achilleselbow said:
,
: Search your library for a Your Mom Joke card and put it into your hand.

blah

Come to think of it, he could probably use a power and toughness, couldn't he?

I think I intended to make him a 3/3 but it looks like I forgot to actually do it.



[url]wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~oosting/magicthecreation/index.php[/url]

Nice to see there's still a good quality M:tG card generator still online.

Bah

Did I, Sirrah? Then surely it was well des'rvd. Am I therefore, an Ass? Dost thou not suspect my place? dost thou not suspect my years? O that he were here to write me down an Ass! But, masters, remember that I am an Ass; though it be not written down, yet forget not that I am an Ass.

Go eat some turkey and cranberry goop, ya knucklehead.

See, if you had replied in this manner from the get-go, everything would have been fine.

The world doesn't blah-blah-blah. Someday you'll thank blah-blah-blah.

Stop giving old guys a bad rep, please, scorp.

Nuh-uh. They should be terrified of old guys and of turning into old guys. Quit soft-peddling it, pogo.

Here I am, stuck in the in-between.

Am I relieved to be getting older, or scared shitless?

Actually, I am content to be the exact age that I am. I just wish so many of the mechanical parts weren't failing.

That's probably the key to enjoying old age -- still having working parts you favor. My 20/20 vision went in my 40s, and now I can't hold the newspaper far enough away to read it without glasses. Minor bummer, reading glasses are 3-for-$12 at Walgreen's. Then my sense of smell mostly left, no great loss, since the world stinks. I would hate to lose my potency, of course, but could always become a monk. Anyway, life at 60 is really better that life at 20 or 30 was -- way better.

The parts I am losing use of that really bother me are my knees. My right knee in particular.

Taking the stairs used to be my favorite way to get exercise. Now I am under doctor's orders never to use the stairs again. For the rest of my life.

I have gained much weight and gotten totally out of shape in the five years since that order was given.

Bah.

That sucks, biff. Any chance of reconstructive surgery?

I have yet to find a doctor who will agree that knee replacement is warranted. And that is the only kind of surgery currently available that can solve my particular problem. Some parts of my leg are different sizes that the other parts. They don't fit together right, and all the strain hits my knee joint and causes critical parts to wear away at an alarming rate.

If I hadn't regularly taken the stairs up to the 30th floor for years in my late teens and into my 20s, things would probably function better now. But the congenital nature of the problem made it inevitable at some point in my life.

Lungs, here. But then I have only myself to blame for that one.

My ankle's fucked biff. Much weight gainage. Then, orbital running thingy at the gym sorted me. No impact, similar to stairs but good for the joints. Sort it out.

I'll look into that, thanks.

Life be berry, berry good.
I have learned this thing- that the shittier is is when you're 20-40, or whatever, the better it gets when the hell finally goes hella away....if you keep on workin' on your thing,
Quote:
Then youll begin to make it to make it bettah, bettah, bettah, YEAH!
Yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah-yeah...Hey, Jude...



and then you die

Nu? Got a point you want to make?

He's not your chief, padre.

Douches again. Everyone's being douches.

I know, what the hell is up today?

The Holiday . Everyone's on edge, all preparing their gin and tonics, getting ready to mutter non-committal answers to crazy aunts, asshole in-laws, and homicidal brothers who would just as soon gut a feral dog as wear the turkey on their head....

...No, what? No, Aunt Margaret. I'm fine. Just fine ...

v-chub..?

Meh, I don't have siblings and never had family holidays growing up. It was just me and my parents. I think this was the best way. Now it's even better because I don't have to see my parents either.

I will never understand the idea of people seeing relatives on holidays or basically at any other time. My girlfriend likes her relatives (and unlike me, knows the relatives that exist on her father's side... I have basically no idea how many siblings he even has) and actively wants to spend time with many of them. I find this impossibly strange.

I have many relatives on both sides and see them only rarely. I don't understand why I HAVE to see them at all. There are maybe three I enjoy spending time with. Why am I obliged to make a day of joy uncomfortable and boring by spending it with old people with whom i have only genes in common.

Fuck Christmas.

Exactly. I have never, ever spent a holiday with relatives who were not in my immediate family. It just seems crazy to me. I cannot understand why people would do it.

My mother has five siblings and I like them all. I'm lucky :)

heh heh. I bet you do.

:(

Because Hallmark told them to, and they hold the powers of the Inferno.

now dance like there's ass in your pants

Boo do not like douches. And what he don't like, i fit my sword lenght in a cavity seldom seen by the eyes of man or woman's alike.

In this case, i call it the Reversal

I am your padre.


You weren't supposed to know

I wish you told me that BEFORE YOU CUT MY FUCKING HAND OFF!

NOW I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO NOTHINGNESS!

that costs you... one green mushroom.

Oh come on, you were just using that hand to masturbate anyway.

Get a girlfriend you bum.

I have a girlfriend, this sexy princess...wait...wait a second!


What?


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Sorry theguitarhero, but your princess is in another castle...

God damn you mushroom man. God damn you straight to hell .

Yoda is content to watch.

But where is the cake ?

The cake is a lie.

"What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets!"

This is extremely disturbing. All the more so because I know this to be an accurate description of nearly every man's future/present life.

All smelling her fingers to make sure they're clean, then going back for a second round with the paper... Oh dear, I've come over all aquiver.

Certainly not you tekende right hahaha !
You definetely are not a urine enthusiast nor a "Crazy Racist".


Of course not heh heh I HAVE MANY BLACK FRIENDS they are good people

Do they like urine too?

Now why would we talk about something like that

"Because of a Problem" is only appropriate answer here.

I don't think Polly did a very good job of guessing Ray. I'm a little offended that Connie would go along with it like that.

Connie doesn't care for the rich bipedal cat.

No, she's technically correct. But I sort of agree with you. But beyond all that stuff he has hidden depths... Nah. I tell a lie. But when he drops his cell phone in the toilet it splashes with *style* creating all non-concentric ripples at unique angles.

Ray has hell of hidden depth.

I think she got it right more or less. Cornelius is friends with Ray, but he is not above being able to see that he is essential a rich buffoon of generally low mind. He isn't really even nouveau riche he is lottery winner rich. He was upper-middle class suburban wealthy and has now become Soul Sellingly Rich and has brought along many of the main problems of America today if we had the money to act on them more often.

Girl, you're makin' ma Happen to myself

I truly wish I had heard the rest of Ray's rousing tale involving this Jesus fellow.

Jesus? I know him. Guy cuts my lawn.

" ...but just like feces, he was very real, and at some point you have to talk about it ."

Jesus was a dog of the people, just like Snoop Dogg today.

Speaking of Snoop Dogg, he made some mashed potatoes with Martha Stewart the other day..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozJAd0ucs50

He's okay with the side-saddle thing getting out, though. Where's Japan Man when you need him?

Oh, right. He's in the afterlife stuck playing video games nonstop with Taffy.

I'm hungry too... FOR THAT CAT'S BODY.

It totally watch her pee maybe.

Isn't it nice that Cornelius has a sounding board of a similar pitch to bounce things off of?

She ain't being judgmental of Ray [ yet ], she's just aptly sounding the depths of the dude from her perspective.

I dunno....I think they have all the makings of an annoying couple. Can you imagine inviting these people over for some rich spread only to have them verbally tear you apart the second you leave the room? Those types are the worst types.

I agree with this completely.

oh yeah i would kick both their asses easy

I mean, they are stuffed bears, right? so it would be easy. I don't cotton (get it) to being mocked in my own home. ]:0(

And poor Ray is trying to be impressive. Talking about Jesus, swishing his martini jauntily to punctuate his anecdote...Nothing worse than laughing at a person who is trying to impress you.


Well okay maybe watching a girl pee is worse

oh man chubs for pointing out the Martini swish! That totally makes it even better. And the whole 'telling a parable as a dinner-party anecdote' thing was pretty funny as it stood.

Parable? No, everything in the bible is literally true. I know because it says so in the Bible!

One time when I was 11 me and my friends Greg and Jimmy decided that the best way to get rid of Jimmy's rotten old stuffed animal collection was, of course, through liberal application of fireworks. Nevermind that me and Greg were total pyros and had spent hours dissecting fireworks with the care of psychotic surgeons. That was totally the mature decision.

So we took a bunch of our homegrown explosives out to a little copse of trees next to a very popular highway. The first one was really cool, it was a bunny head we had stuffed with the charge of a mortar, you know, the first explosion that shoots it up in the air? It unfolded the bunny's head until it was like a mask.

Then we decided to try the bear. The bear we stuffed with the actual mortar sparklers, what explodes about three hundred feet up in the air. Except it wasn't three hundred feet up in the air. It was in a stuffed cotton bear, in the woods, next to the highway.

Once we lit it it immediately registered on all of us what a stupid thing we had done. Seriously, it was like that moment where the rock you threw punctures the beehive and small, angry, shiny things come flying out. I dimly recall running and screaming through the woods with bright orange embers raining through the trees, hissing like adders as they met the undergrowth. Though I had not yet seen Platoon , the imagery was comparable.

We never did find that bear. Fucking thing just evaporated.

And that's my story about abusing stuffed animals.

You probably also started a bushfire?

Man, Spinynorman, how long have we been waiting for this anecdote? I bet you're just liberally taking time out from satisfying your real fans to work on your paid-only work? Haven't you?!

AUGH.

Like a miniature version of the cement truck from that one episode of Mythbusters? Damn. That would be awesome in person.

I mean, with a pretty good chance of serious injury, but still awesome.

i have a condition where i assign life to inanimate objects, especially stuffed animals. i used to work in a toy store, and whenever a teddy bear was missing an eye or his little jacket because some kid had bitten it off/drooled on it, i would take it home when no one was looking before they could throw it out. i feel bad for neglected stuffed animals especially. if i find one in a parking lot, i take it home. if i see two left outside a 7-11, i take them home. if i see some particularly sad-looking ones at the Goodwill, i take them home.

i think i have fifteen teddy bears. anyway, your story made me really sad.

Oh my god, I was insane about inanimate objects as a kid! whenever I used to eat Teddy Grahams my dad would say, muffled, "nooo chelsea why are you eating us noooooo we just wanted to live and be your friend!!"

So I didn't eat animal shaped foods after awhile, which makes a kid's choices kind of limited.

I also had a cup that had a little Tigger at the bottom of it, so when you filled it up with milk or something, my dad would say "HELP ME I'M DROOOWNING GLLLUUUHHHGGGG AHHH" so I'd drink it faster.

I was ridiculous with stuffed animals too. They always had to be facing something, or at least facing each other, so they could talk. Never put face down or anything, and I'd cut the tags off because they were uncomfortable for them.

You aren't alone, I think it is sad to see abandoned animals too.

ps, never watch A Mouse and His Child, or you'll cry for years

my dad used to do the same thing! there's a story from when i was little about how he got me to eat all my carrots because they were "a family" and needed to "stick together". then apparently i asked, "what about my rice?" and he said "oh, they're a catholic family."

GOOD JOKE DAD.

ps, i won't. one thing i never understood was the popularity of The Velveteen Rabbit as a children's book. i mean, what!? the kid dies and the rabbit is incinerated. it's completely tragic and yet every child gets a copy of it at some point. messed up.

Did we read a different version of it or something? I thought the kid gets better and the rabbit becomes a real rabbit.

In the version I had the rabbit was incinerated and the kid died.


That along with the end of The Brave Tin Soldier are probably a big part of my massively cynical view of life since about the 3rd grade. (not that I first read them then, but I didn't become a human until I was 8 years old so cynicism was just a word to me)

There must be different versions.

In the version I read to my kids, the kid got better, but the doctor said to incinerate all his stuffed animal toys to prevent reinfection.

But some mystical creature interceded, and turned the Velveteen Rabbit into a real rabbit, because the boy loved the rabbit or because the rabbit loved the boy or some other such twaddle.

I only read it to them once, decades ago, so I don't remember the details.

Yeah, I've only ever read the "kid survives" version of that story. I think I'd like to see the other, though.

I believe achilleselbow is correct

Your fathers are aweomse men.

When I was a kid I was a huge fan of Chip N' Dale's Rescue Rangers so when McDonald's came out with a happy meal that had the Chip N' Dale's toys I ordered two so that I could get Dale and Gadget. Unfortunately, I wound up with two Dales so I just pretended they were Dale and Gadget and Gadget would be all, "Oh, Dale, you're so funny, you're not all gruff and mean like Chip who's always sending you to bed without dinner when you draw in his newspaper" and Dale would be all "Aw shucks, thanks, Gadget, you know the favorite part of my day is when you give me a bath and read to me and night" and sometimes I would forget which Dale was which but it didn't matter because then I would have them would make out.

...

Huh. I see I have competition as the insane stream-of-consciousness paragraph guy on AssetBar.

But then I realize that there should be more of them, because insane stream-of-consciousness paragraph guys are the best guys.

So bravo to you for your insane stream-of-consciousness paragraph, it is a good one.

So I have been watching It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia pretty much my whole vacation, getting high on Dayquil and Cranergy. It's kinda opened up a whole new eye in my forehead type thing.

I think I'm turning into Charlie.

I pooped a little.

WILD CARD, BITCHES!

I swear I laughed for 10 minutes after the episode ended. I didn't see the ending coming. Why?

...Wild card, bitches!

I'm surprised that recappers and reviewers give the show such low scores (B is fairly low for the AV Club, especially for such critically regarded comedies) but, and I'll be booed for saying this, I think it might be because people just don't get it. I think it's almost like a 30 minute, live action version of Tom Goes To The Mayor, but with more of a plot structure. So many double crosses and fucked up coincidences and ironic shit goes down, the gang does something that would ultimately ruin them, but the next episode everything is (fairly) fine.

Gotta disagree with you on the B is fairly low for the AV Club part.

it is extremely rare for anything to get a B on the AV Club. And almost unheard of to get an A .

I have never watched the show, and have no plans to do so, so I am not commenting on that. Just the rarity of any kind of extreme in AV Club ratings.

Ok, as far as movies and music go, yes, but their tv ratings are very lax, since they generally relate them only to the show itself, and not other shows.

I never read the TV ratings, since I never watch TV.

So I shoulda kept my mouth shut on that one.

I see Sunny as more of a natural extrapolation of Seinfeld. The last episode of Seinfeld was much maligned, but having revisted the show chronologically and taken the seasons en masse , those assholes deserved everything they got. The show is hilarious, but after a while you are like "Show some redeeming quality! Just a little! Once! George is a fucking sociopath for chrissakes!"

In Sunny, the comedy is predicated entirely on what horrible, horrible people the gang are, much like Seinfeld. The plotting in Sunny is much weaker, but the comedy is the same kind of laugh out loud, fast paced, holy shit, what the fuck is going on hilarity.

When Mack and Charlie fake their own death, and Mack ends up in a wedding dress, tossing a grenade into Dee's car after crashing it into a wall? PRICELESS.

Actually, I never thought they were bad people on Seinfeld. Even watching it again and again and again. This is the way most people act in their daily lives.

Most people have a little more compassion than the people on Seinfied. Most people are less neurotic too. But there is truth in it. Seinfeld is a social satire, basically, pointing out how illogical many of our social norms are.

George, however, is not a sociopath, by any means. He's just a neurotic douche.

He seems like an entirely normal, slightly neurotic person to me. They all do. It was largely based on social situations and a comedy of manners. It often debated and classified unspoken cultural norms and conventions which were generally agreed upon by the audience.

I think you overstate the degree of satire. I don't think it necessarily pointed out how social norms were illogical so much as it derived humor from how reasonable and accepted they were.

If anything I think "The Bizzaro Jerry" did a better job of what the finale tried to do. It also showed how unreal and sickeningly cloying that would be.

Even in the trial most of the evidence that they were bad people was taken out of context. Jerry didn't try to drive Babu out of business and have him deported, he was trying to be genuinely helpful the entire time. The real problems (a bad location most likely and a simple mistake by the mailman) were ignored and typical.

In all fairness Elaine was kind of a dick to the Soup Nazi. I mean, he was strict, but that's not that big of a deal and she over-reacted.

I also failed to see that either other people have more compassion or that there was a fundamental lack of compassion on Seinfeld. It was perfectly on the mark for the average person. When Jerry dated the astoundingly nice woman in "The Sponge" it stood out that she was over-the-top not only for the cast, but also compared to just about anyone else.

I definitely agree that Always Sunny is a coked up version of Seinfeld, considering that that is how they pitched the show originally. I was young when Seinfeld was in its stride, and only really remember the series finale, but I would say that, while the cast weren't TERRIBLE people, their decisions ultimately led them to the fate they met in the finale. If they had just been a little nicer to people they might have gotten away.

I would say that Sunny is almost a bizarro-version of Seinfeld. Whereas Seinfeld seemed like utterly ridiculous situations handled by normal people, Sunny is basically normal situations being fucked up by utterly horrible people. The only person with vaguely any decency on that show is Charlie, and his addictions and hang-ups, and ultimately the fact that The Gang is holding back his true potential, as evidenced by The Nightman Cometh, is preventing that from coming through.

Is Seinfeld the one where they got arrested in the last episode?

Yes.

Now can anyone tell me the show about the people that were friends with each other and hung out with in a coffee shop? There was a nerdy one and a funny one and a pretty one and a homely one and a crazy hippy one and a man whore one. I do not remember the name of this show.

That show was called "MY ANUS IS BLEEDING!!!" while it had a fairly generic and typical premise for a bland, dull sitcom that would amuse nobody and thus guarantee it would remain on the air for over a decade (see also: "Everyone Loves Raymond", "Two and Half Men", well... almost all sitcoms) it was actually interesting, clever, and inventive so it was canceled after less than a full season and replaced with re-runs of the other generic, bland sitcoms.

Curb your enthusiasm is hilarious too. It is a lot like Seinfeld only I haven't seen every episode five times.

Well yeah, because Larry David wrote Seinfeld. Haven't had a chance to watch it though, I'll probably wait till after it is over and I can get the DVD box sets for cheap.

Charlie is also a creepy stalker. That's a further reason why The Nightman Cometh didn't work. The Waitress is, amusingly, his real-life wife.

Only late Seinfeld was about ridiculous situations. The early episodes were often about regular situation and normal social interaction. Actually, that was the majority of the series.

I think that (oh god this is going to start another fight) Charlie's stalking of The Waitress is mildmannered and sweet. It is obvious that he truly loves her and would never really hurt her, which makes the fact that every other male in The Gang has fucked her all the more painful.

And yes, the fact that they are married IRL makes most of their altercations funny. Also, his name is Charlie in real life as well.

Well, just by watching the credits it's obvious that they all basically just used their real names.

Charlie does go too far for it to be sweet though. I suggest you rewatch the parts where it details his diary of everything she does. Or the one where he tries to conspire to make her sleep with him (specifically, not all the other ones).

I think we need to have an episode where Dee sleeps with her. It would be rife with comedic possibility and really stick it to Charlie even more. "Who Pooped The Bed?" had the chance to go there, but it didn't.

The one where he had cancer? But the sad part was that the plan backfired.

And no because Sweet Dee's real name isn't Deandre I don't think.

Well, she's the only one aside from Frank, but he was a later addition to the cast.

Otherwise, Mac, Dennis, and Charlie all used their own names when creating the show.

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It was largely based on social situations and a comedy of manners


It is a situational comedy, a... sitcom maybe?

fuck me, three posts later you say sitcom. dammit.

Man, I text insane stream-of-consciousness paragraphs. When I find myself awake past 2:30am and my mind plays tricks on me ("it all keeps adding up/ I think I'm cracking up", etc) I head for Word and begin writing shit or I draw on my Post-Its. Then I wake up later and laugh for a while at the madness my mind created.

I find that, often when I'm buzzed on like, allergy meds or shit, I can't SPEAK sanely but I can type sanely. Once I'm at the point where I'm rambling I know I need to pack it in...like now.

i recently wrote a to-do list for myself, and i've been keeping it on my night table. a few days ago i woke up and saw that i'd added to it in my sleep. i have no recollection of when, how or why i wrote this, but nonetheless i had scrawled "doing whippets while driving a tractor-trailer" underneath "call gynecologist" and "make restaurant reservations".

Are you having dinner with your gynecologist?

I often have dinner with my patients, usually before the inspection however. Lightens the mood and makes them more comfortable about me working from home.

no. that would be rather unprofessional of her.

On a tractor-trailer...with some whippets...?

This is awesome because it's so real

Listen, these kids gotta realize the nature of the world they growin' into. Can't have 'em thinking everything's honey and roses out there. They gotta know that death is inevitable and that everyone they love will die in a fire.

Death could come by being trampled in a Wal-Mart, you know.

.
..
...

...I'm just sayin' .

too soon.

Nevar too soon !

your dad is my hero.

mine too, I completely credit him for my current sense of humor and ability to take a solid amount of ribbing.


also my paralyzing fear of goldfish crackers

Dude, your dad taught you about ribbing?

Oh, I'm sorry that I even started and then stopped making such a vile joke. And a stupid one, too.

Happy Thanksgiving.

for the longest time, my little sister not only wouldn't eat animal shaped foods, but would actually start bawling semi-hysterically whenever she saw them. It was pretty much a riot, you know at Easter time when (EVEN THOUGH WE ARE JEWISH) every person thinks every kid wants a chocolate rabbit?
They'd be all 'Oh hey! Look what I brought y-' 'AAAAAAA BLOO BLOO BLA BLOOO!'

What's with chocolate rabbits and chocolate Santa Claus anyway? Why aren't there chocolate Indians at Thanksgiving? Chocolate Jesuses on good friday? Chocolate boyfriends on Valentines day? Chocolate moms on Mothers day? Chocolate veterans on V. Day?

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Chocolate boyfriends on Valentines day?


Ask falseprophet.

Thaaaaaaat's ME!








LOL RACISM SHAW IS FUNNEH, AIN'T IT MASSA?

See this is why I'm uncomfortable dissing Jar Jar. I don't want people to think it's cause he's black, it's cause he is just plain annoying as hell. But sometimes that is hard to explain to a man who is 8 inches taller and 200lb heavier than me.

Dude, did you just have all of these saved on your computer? Admit it.

Just shows how often he is the token black on internet message boards.

Man I just Google image searched for "happy darkie" and "Magical Negro" and the first two came up.

And once before I posted a different image of Geordi LaForge with the "Can't see shit captain" picture that I just kind of stumbled on that time, so I searched for it before and decided on this one.

Then I was trying to decide which of Will Smith's movies had him being the happy darkiest, but I couldn't pick one, so I just went with Jar Jar.

Ha, LaForge is blind. Ha ha.

I can't think of any movies off hand (for he tends to be rather a dour darkie of late), but Will Smith was surely one happy darkie back in the day.

White Folks Just Don't Understand.

I am so so so white, because will smith is not even remotely awesome.

you can get chocolate nipples for Breast Cancer Awareness Day though
https://rococochocolates.com/product/103/venus_nipples

Chocolate Jesus?

God, I love that song.
Quote:
When the weather gets rough
And its whiskey in the shade
Its best to wrap your savior
Up in cellophane
He flows like the big muddy
But thats ok
Pour him over ice cream
For a nice parfait

Your own... chocolate... Jesus.

Reach out and touch taste!

There are chocolate hearts on Valentines day though. And chocolate mummies/vampires/what-have-you on Halloween.

I could totally see Chocolate veteran become slang for Blackface

Chuck Palahniuk wrote a story about you.

i don't like to be reminded of the times i spent with him.

Time to start leaving old teddy bears with oming beacons laying about.

I can't masturbate or have sex in front of stuffed animals. Plan accordingly.

Oh dude that is just creepy. No. Bad.

Why is this creepy? They are watching you, they are like your children.

If you go out in the woods today
You're sure of a big surprise.
If you go out in the woods today
You'd better go in disguise.

For every bear that ever there was
Will gather there for certain, because
Today's the day the teddy bears rain down hell on earth.

Oh goddammit just SPIT on the songs of my childhood why don't you

You may be the first pyromaniac ever to use the word "copse."

Not likely. It shows up fairly often in D&D and such and the overlap between "pyromaniac" and "geek interests" is so high that you don't really need a Venn diagram so much as just a single circle.

Similarly I watched a friend throw a fistful of something in a bonfire. It seemed that it dawned on the drunken fool as it was mid-air. I ran back and hit the ground. I saw a rocket of flame charge at my friends mid-conversation, watched them split apart, the rocket shoot between and the lady of the two scream. Friendly fire man, it's the worst.

That is awesome.

You know what TGH it kinda was... I should look back on it with awe and regret, but it just turned into the best non-movie action scene to which I've ever been exposed. Oh, by the way...

you suck at life.

:O what did i do? i'll change i promise!

Check the comments from the previous comic. I was making a reference from... history?

the thing about me posting the synonym for not read in every post?

oh man... I suck at life...

Check your INBOX. It's another strip altogether, I was saying the booze didn't make me feel bad and then you tried making me feel bad and oh my god we're having a conversation on the internet that should be happening in a chatroom.

A/S/L?

18/Yes/Anywhere I can get it.

Do you remember what strip?

NVRMND I found it.

Because of my condition I would be twice as upset in this situation.

I'd say it's balanced here by Ray's desire to give her some straight up chubbying just as soon as Cornelius dies (which he imagines will be very soon).

She thinks he is classless and low and he is classlessly fantasizing about her, likely because he is unable to stop imagining her as a stripper.

This makes it all work out.

Ray's trying to be a good host and they're getting all snobbish behind his back. Not a classy aspect of Cornelius here.

I wish i had another to be that type with.

In Connie's defense, he's had words with Ray about his cologne usage before here

Ray goes into a titty-bar and sees titties. Cornelius is dragged along to a titty-bar, and meets a goddess.

Ray still sees only titties.

>Cornelius is dragged along to a titty-bar, and meets a goddess.

Belldandy must be working some rough chuckles these days!

Times are hard, but the tips is good-

This is the first of your comment i see wich is not lamed to Cania. This is a happy day

was aimed at the Asherdan fellow. Wayyyyyyy-ay back up

Use Assetbarista. It'll make life easier so you don't have to post these kind of comments.

Kinda hard to use this while using the computer from the company whom i work for, who happen to have a good firewall and an informatician next door who is probably working right now on tracking the proxies i use.

I'm a dangerous man.

oh.

He has the death sentence on twelve systems, you know.

Yet, i am not a mandalorian. What problem i encounter i beat them using steel, boot and righteousness

Not puny laser firing toy

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No one there has pupils.

Because Onstad can't draw.

Achewood! How could you betray your father?

Regarding "Jeroboam," holy christ, look at all the hilarious names for wine bottle sizes there are in this world.

"I'll have a nebuchadnezzar of your finest Boone's Farm, thank you."

"Terribly sorry, sir, but I'm afraid we've got but half a Balthazar left. Could I interest you instead in full Melchior of Night Train?"

*"Terribly sorry sir, I forgot to say 'a' in between when I said 'in' and 'full'. I do hope I haven't offended you."

icon/comment synergy! also yeah I used to work in a wine shop and did think it terribly sad that nobody EVER asked for a Melchior or a Salmanazar or whatevs. My best friend did get a Jeroboam in the sale once (it was filthy disgusting stuff) but everyone always called it a double magnum :(

Melkey's Dick is 30 liters.

Mr. Smuckles, everyone already knows what your deal is.
So please, let us not give the term "Duncan Hines" the same meaning as in Kevin Smith movies.

The fifth panel is more or less my Facebook status right now.

Any chick who hates on Ray is a douche

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You know ... yeah. I was trying to figure out why I haven't been digging this arc and I know why. She's kind of a huge jerk and it makes Cornelius less a "retired James Bond" and more a "guy who acts like a huge jerk to please a pretty girl, who also is a huge jerk."

It's honestly the first time I've ever been sort of wishing for Connie to get his, and it makes me sad pants.

But the more I sit and think about it, it's like ... as long as Connie's happy, I can put up with a bad girlfriend. AS IF THEY WERE REAL PEOPLE.

I guess that's good writing, spread over the last decade or so. Even when I don't like this (particular) comic I find myself loving it.

I am having the same conflictedness. I mean, I like Connie and usually look past his uppity-ness, but now he and Polly are acting like the kind of people who just make me want to Crass all over their Refined.

Chubbied for verbing and nouning two adjectives in quick succession.

To Crass all over someone's Refined is to make someone's monocle fall off into a martini glass.
"Well, I never!"

That monocles actually rarely fall out is an affront to all that I know and wish to know.

I sorely wish I didn't wear glasses because I'd love to wear a monocle more often.

They don't seem to make much sense though do they?

Hmm, if you only had a left eye contact, and used a monocle for your right eye, there wouldn't be much chance of mixing them up.

Mmmmmm...monocle

Monocles! What news from the East?

I'm sorry, I can only really make out what is going on in the West!

i don't think this was Onstad's intention at all. the way i read it, Polly is supposed to be a God-send for Cornelius because not only is she stripper-hot, she also shares his sentiments on everything, including Ray. note how Cornelius takes the first jab? i mean, if anything, Polly's making claims in order to please Cornelius, like in order to fit in with him and "the guys". the problem with that is the dudes can rip on each other because they are doggs and have been since small times. she has been in the door five minutes and would not even be around if Ray's "classlessness" hasn't brought Connie to her in the first place. Connie has gotten arrogant and forgotten about the man who made this all possible. that Man is Ray.

All good points, but I keep getting the feeling that Ray asked for this. He's puttin' on airs, and Connie sees right through it...and here as in most things, the food is what makes me think that.

People who sous vide at home are the kind of people who brag about home appliances they had to have after reading this month's Gourmet. My doggs are comin' over - and this includes their significant others, since I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and hope that they actually like my dogg, even if we haven't met - and I'm responsible for the feed? I'm cooking something I cook for people that I like. Sausage and chicken gumbo. Shrimp Creole. A good, honest carbonara or a green curry or a huge-ass pot of mussels, since they're cheap as all hell round these parts. Chicken fried steak. Throw in good bread, real butter, a cooler of beer, a bottle of solid red and a stack of wet-naps, serve it up family style, and tell everyone that if they want seconds, they know where the pot is. You treat them like family, and I don't know too many families that stick prime rib in a cryovac. Keller can kick your ass blindfolded at that game, so leave it to the pros, Ray. Otherwise your guests get some idea of who you wish you were and how far you gotta go to get there.

Damn that sounds cash.

Feces was SO currency.

If that's the case, call me Scrooge McDuck.

Shit was SO crunk.

Especially since I was referencing the early nineties 'Ducktales' version of McDuck. All building a tower sized vault. All swimming in his cash. All scooping it up in his mouth and letting it pelt him in the face.

I KNOW what you were referencing.

We all know.

All of us.

Shit was SO cash. That money pit was amazing.

My favorite part was when Tom Hanks got caught in the hole in the floor with the rug enveloping him.

Don't talk down to us, that shit was sunday morning.

I want to email this to everyone I've ever known to use the term "foodie."

Feel free. I hate the word, despite the fact that I get called one from time to time. I hope they mean snidedk's definition...although I've always just preferred the term "cook". Chef either implies a level of mastery I don't have (see: Ramsay, Gordon) or a level of pretension I don't feel like emulating (see: the hacks in my town).

As an amateur "foodie" myself (I disagree with Roast Beef on this one - "foodie" is a perfectly good descriptor, since it implies a sort of whimsy and refusal to take oneself seriously), I totally agree with you. The experimental shit is strictly for other like-minded individuals; when friends come over, keep it simple, keep it hearty, keep it unlikely-to-slaughter-the-ill-adjusted-immune-systems-of-the-guests.

Ain't nobody going to think that sea urchin gelee with sweetbread puree is anything other than a vain attempt to try and emulate that wacky chef that runs the restaurant where Tony Bourdain hosted his talk show.

From now on, I am using the word "foodie" to describe people who eat food. This applies to most people, but not vampires .

I am glad that I saved a chubby for you.

Chubbied for "that Man is Ray"

he missed a spot...right....there.

...No, other side-- .... there you go.

I don't know, I think it looks fine.

I... love Mr. Bear. It hurts me to hear him and Onstad so Maligned....
Isn't it still rad to like achewood on assetbar? Isn't it rad to trust Mr. Onstad?

Because it feels rad.

I trust in Onstad completely. I trust that he is showing us a less than flattering side of a beloved character. That takes balls.

Unless of course that is the ONLY thing you do with that character.

A la Cathy, Garfield, Marmaduke, and the retard who hangs out with Hagar the Horrible.

Dude don't be mean to Hagar the Horrible's wife.

He means Lucky Eddie.

Anyways, Hagar the Horrible's wife is a BITCH

Dude I was making a joke, and you ruined it .

I hate you. I hate you to death!

(I do not actually hate johnnyrocker)

I was talking about Connie.

Ray is tool, also Ray is tool of Destiny.
Ray is Swiss-Army tool.

Connie made this happen; aint nobody going to take responsibility for making a hot young stripper fall for an old man but the old man, especially when that old man is Connie; , raconteur, double-widower, driver of the Old School Bus, ex-con and gentleman.

I don't really think she's a jerk...I think she sees Ray for who he is (because, if we're honest, Ray can be kind of ridiculous), and is not judging him but merely stating the facts. And I don't know that Cornelius has changed--did you ever read some of his blog entries about Ray? He's a guy that genuinely likes Ray (or why else would he be around him), but also sees him for who he is. While it IS slightly rude to lampoon your host when he leaves the room, at the same time I feel they're the type of people to treat him with kindness no matter what.

In short...I kinda like the new character, and think she and Cornelius are cute.

I see what you're saying, but I think my problem is this:

When it's Connie vs. the boys, the crass vastly outweighs the class, making the classy seem, well, classy.

Now that there's two of them the contrast is sort of lost and it becomes a bit bougie (bourgie?), which is something Cornelius has never felt before, at least to me.

I also see what you are saying...but at the same time it's nice for Cornelius to have someone to be classy with. Teodor and Molly were probably the two characters that most may have had the class to hang with him, but Teodor has his moments of crassness and is often preoccupied with Phillippe, and I think at her base level Molly is just a regular gal. Beyond those two--it's Pat (dick), Phillippe (five), Todd (disgusting little man), Ray (ridiculous), Nice Pete (sociopathic), Lyle (passed out), RB (depressed/and or thinks himself too low to hang out with Connie), and the Robots. So Polly brings something to the table for Cornelius the other characters, for the most part, don't.

Ray - ridiculous. Exactly.

Ray is like a friend who is the butt of all jokes in his circle. He has the uncanny ability to say exactly the right thing to spark a tirade of hilarious abuse from his friends. But should someone new, someone not in the sanctum, make any similar observation, the defenses are up! How dare they! How dare Polly!



She has only seen the ridiculous side of Ray.

In general, he can be a dick, and it takes some getting-to-know-him to get past that. And here he is trying to be cordial and friendly to a hot stripper .

She is totally seeing him at his worst. If she heard the Philippe and the couch story, or the Philippe and Nolan story, or the various other times Ray has been somewhat noble and helpful to those around him, she would soften her view of him.

But if all I knew about Ray were all she knows about Ray, my opinion of him would be rather low.

His Magical Mexican Realism silver dollar coin summoned The Perfect Stripper. It's the only explanation.

The one who shares your interests and can keep up with you in literary discussions, but loves to get naked!

I think this may be the perfect assumption.

Lamed for calling Todd a "disgusting little man". Todd is a philosopher and a visionary. How many Chat Sacks have you invented?

F...four?

Now Ray is Rodney Dangerfield, and Connie is Judge Smails.

"Any way you want it/That's the way you need it"

Have you read the Bear's blog? Read it. He is a jerk.

Wow, Ray really did rescind the invite to Beef and Molly. Ray wins no pathos, which is all the more tragic, considering how horrible Cornelius and Polly are being. I guess it was a matter of eliminating some white noise, but still!


uggggh

You earn points for making this, but fuck that horrendous man-thing makes me want to lame you for exposing my eyes to it again.

FUCK YOU CHRIS CROCKER! MAY YOU BURN IN A HELL OF MY OWN DESIGN FOR FOULING MY INTERNETS!

rays mind is goin' to a place
mans got sum shame, he dusnt hide his face
he tinks nah of conleius, whose stile is quit rustic
and ow ee'll git wiff is woman when he dies
ow she'll climb is lap wear dem thigh-high's
and den dey can make dat sweet booty music

dat woz pome abot ray i woz gon opn up n shar ma emotians but dis woz easier

"Rustic" and "music"? Seriously?

Sometimes, Rex. Sometimes you take the act too far.

seriously polly is such a terrible character, nice pete should just play basketball with her if you catch my drift so the strip can move on and hopefully be funny again.

If you have a thought like that, everyone just knows.



Not shown:



What have I become? What have I become?

Crow's feet on his butt cheeks. I wonder if those are from the commodore.

You've become a guy who turned Ray into a psychic version of the Yellow Kid.

Ray does not strike me as the type of buffoon - and you would have to be a buffoon - to use Obsession

I don't know... Ray does lean heavily towards nouveau riche tackiness at times.

Obsession could not even aspire to be nouveau riche tacky for it is that terrible.

I'd rather smell of my children's funeral.

(I hate it you see)

Thank YOU irateturk for the phrase "I'd rather smell of my children's funeral". You earned that chubby. You EARNED it.

As good as stolen, good sir, and I thank you.

man i was going to say something negative about Obsession, but I was worried no one would "get it" because hey...people here don't seem like fragrance types.

Thank you theirateturk
thank you for your words

Fucking YES thank you Chris, I laugh.

lol.

A comment left by y0uarem0m was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by daidai, KaMeT, ummagumma, raticus)

Please do not make this place 4chan. I beg of you, sir. Not another 4chan.

PLZ NO 4CHAN NAO.

DO NOT WANT

INB4 4CHANIFICATION

ITT: SARCASTIC 4CHANFICATION

EVERYBODY GET IN HERE.

...not enough lames... not enough Goddamn lames

PFAH!

*dismissively tosses another lame onto the pile*

\
PFAH!

Got you covered, friend. Be grateful, as I otherwise had these reserved for that big drama-pile up there.

Seconded.

I can't believe I'm saying this but: fuck you Lil' Jon.


But Channel 4 gave us Spaced, Black Books, Father Ted, and Peep Show? How dare you speak ill of it?

I just figured out where this arc is going.

Ray is going to murder Cornelius for his woman.

Fie! The other way around.

Woman is going to murder Ray for his cornelius?

Murder is gonna ray for WOMAN CORNELIUSI!

KNIVES THESE!

Standing on Phillipe is it.

My bone? My bone that she... new husbanded?

My bone? My bone that she... new husbanded?

D-X

This is sad to watch. Guys, just...just look away ok?

Gettin' lewds with two foods for dudes .... ARRRGH.

LOL WUT?

And that's if Stu's into it too.

sterling work!

Dudes, what North from the news?

And Axe's me!

Woman his for Cornelius murder to going is Ray!

this strip is gay!

YOUR MOM.

Please sir... Please love achewood.

He does love Achewood. He is also gay. He loves it in ways you couldn't imagine.

Why yes! I would say that it has an atmosphere of wonderful joviality!

It really is a gay old time. Good point, Philip.

So, I was reading product labels.


5 Alive is "a blend of 5 real fruit juices that's best enjoyed while rocking out on the air guitar."

Is 5 Alive only for people with 3 arms? Cause my Air Guitar needs at least 2 hands to play.

My air guitar needs 2 hands, but it's got a whammy bar.

heyyyyy-o

That is certainly not how you play Guitar Hero.

Maybe not how YOU play it, but that's how I play it. How the hell else are you supposed to hit the orange button.

Those are pictures I have not put up on facebook.

(the joke is that I have pictures of me posing fully clothed with a guitar hero guitar, but I also have naked pictures that are not on the internet. Also me and hamscout are facebook friends.)

I shall have to lob virtual livestock at you.

Dude you didn't know that or are you just playing it up for the crowd? Because I comment you ALL the time.

aw yeah, just playin' dogg.
(and also referencing a recent 'Big Bang Theory')

oh dang dogg i do not watch that show. yeah don't watch it at all dogg, but i do watch how i met your mother, and this is not inneundo.

I watch and very much enjoy both of those shows.

It occurs to me now that a crossover would be hilarious. All Barney and Sheldon trying to have a conversation. All Robin and Leonard hooking up for some reason.

Interesting stories often start with "so I was reading product labels..."

I didn't even post the crazy ones.

"C'est une excellente source de vitamine C et de pouvoirs robotiques surhumains."

It gives french people super powers.

Then why they always surenderin'?

That actually is their superpower.
He never said it was a good one.

I AM French. Dont be a dick to strangers , guys. That's not cool

Oh I'm sorry.

WOULD YOU LIKE A CROISSANT?

Besides, it's mega-douche now- it was always uncool. Bush is out and so are all his retard orcs- pass it on-

For the record, I love people of all cultures, I was mocking the very mentality scorpio_nadir mentioned. However, when wolfensti piped up I went douche.

In fact , i'm not "French". I'm a Quebecer, making me a lover of fine beer and conservative-hating hippie.


Oh dude you are from Quebec? Now I totally don't feel bad at all for making fun of you.

Canadians hate you.

No, Canadians hate newfies.

I knew a Canadian and he didn't have nice things to say about Quebecers.

Mostly since if we get separated from canda, they will lose 7 millon people. Not really good for their standing on the G8, especially since now Spain should get our spot...

You can't seperate! You'll need to take Halifax, PEI, and Newfoundland with you if you go.

No we just make fun of them for being retards. We hate the Quebecua.

Well i'm glad. that way if we get our country, i will be pleased to know that asshole have lost a good part of there worlwide standing and culture center ecause of me.

We want to split because of dicks like you

Yeah, Ontario is pretty much Quebec's jok younger brother. They both get laid enough but one is in the newspaper more.

Aw man French people hate it when you guys say you're french. They see it like a Texan claiming to be British.

And your sources are ?

Whose fault is it that the language and the country have the same name?

He ees hear to pipe up an' practeece hees Einglish and heepness...as are we all.

J'ai entendu dire que vous êtes un élément perturbateur de ce forum , mais j,ai aussi décidé de ne pas m'en préocupper afin de pouvoir profiter de cette excellente bande-dessinée sur internet.

Sass me all you like for my english, i don't really care. I can understand you guys and so do you.

quant a moi, vous etes bienvenu ici. nous taquinons, mais j'espere seulement dans l'amusement.
Also, I like all Canadian beer.

J'aime ma culture. Mais est-ce que je peut changer?

C'est une question existentielle !

C'est pas mal, je dois avouer que je suis surpris. Il y a quelque erreurs mais en sommes c'est mineur

You mean "quelques" and "en somme".

Yeah! I get to be a language dick on assetbar!

Indeed I do mean that. How silly

When you are a guy who is From The Internet, it doesn't matter how many six hundos you give to the Make-A-Wish Foundation. They are just all wrong.

Dang, Ray is cold contemplating some post-funeral action

Ray is rocking some straight Will-Ferrel-In-Wedding-Crashers action.

Ray is straight trying to get his grief-dependent bone on.

Depression, Anger and Bargaining are all apparent here.

I hope everyone has fun nerding up some meat all tasty today.

I can't wait to get my nom on with some turkey.

I keep reading this as "get my mom on".

Sit down over there. Make yourself comfortable.

Now tell me about your desires towards your mother.

Sometimes a turkey is just a turkey.

Yeah, well sometimes it's a BIG BROWN DICK

That would explain my predilection for cramming both drumsticks forcefully into the body cavity again and again until I crack the ribs and then dousing the entire thing in magic gravy.

I eat my cranberries from a separate custard cup. I will occasionally apply some to a bit of ungravied turkey. This is only way.

Dude.

oh. god.

So graphic.

Well the first paragraph is totally unrelated to the second. Gravy, however, makes almost everything better. It goes on the turkey, the stuffing, and the potatoes. It is great.

Green beans are an abomination in all possible forms. Yams are not good either.

Thanksgiving consists of:

Turkey
Stuffing
Mashed potatoes
Gravy
Cranberry sauce (freshly made)
Pumpkin pie
Whipped cream (freshly made... Cool Whip is likewise an abomination and canned whipped cream is best used for sex and nothing else)

That is all.

Oh and when I cram in the drumsticks? I like it with the giblets in .

You're a sick, sick man.

I approve.

Dude, green beans are awesome when prepared correctly. It's just more common for them to suck because most people will boil them until they're soggy.


I can get on board with yams though, and maybe some of the root vegetables (parsnip?).

No. Green beans, with no consideration made to preparation, are universally vile. It's not about being soggy or anything. They are disgusting. Just like mushrooms.

Yeah plus the whore and the rapist sympathiser like Green Beans, so they can't be good.

(i am the whore and i like green beans)

https://achewood.com/index.php?date=03132003

Do you think that it is rad to have New Criticism elbox?

i'm up all night making pies and various sundries, so allow me to be the first of the day to say fuck thanksgiving

Totally fighting the gender stereotypes there.

What next, making me a damn sandwich?

I'm working on Thanksgiving. Because robots don't take holidays .

Blip in hell, rofag!

oh my god what did i just do? i need sleep but the Dayquil Cranergy cocktail I've been downing to fight colds in this colder clime is preventing it. Oh god...I feel sick.

I was up baking a pumpkin pie at 1 AM. It has nothing to do with gender. A man can totally be down with cooking a delicious Thanksgiving meal while his girlfriend has a long weekend away from her job as the primary earner in the household.

Is anyone watching the coverage of the parade? This is pretty interesting.

Haha yes that was awesome i comment on it further down when I kill the internet.

This kind of worries me. Has anyone noticed that even the non-Adult Swim shows on Cartoon Network that are actually targeted towards children are nowadays awash in self-referential irony and pop culture references? Is there a point where this gets to be too much?

Foster's Home is actually REALLY good, very "mature" in a non-creepy way.

Agreed. It's a very clever show with a brilliant premise. I haven't watched it in quite a while, though.

Dude it was always like that, even before Cartoon Network. You ever sit down and watch Tiny Toon Adventures or Animaniacs ? How about the Animaniacs movie, Wakko's Wish which introduces a character near the end that is clearly a send-up of Dennis Hopper's character in Apocalypse Now ?

I.. I.. I love you.

Ha ha ha

Hahahahahahaha

It's okay dude

Her name is Kamet, not Kate

Put THESE KNIVES down

Actually... my name is Kate.

BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMMMM.

Woh, My Hearts Explodin!

OHHHHH SHIIIIIIIT

Actually, I'm pretty ambivalent towards the name itself.

Go back and watch a classic Warner Bros cartoon. Come on.

maybe it's to appease the children's quote-spouting, Family Guy-enjoying Gen X parents who are forced to watch those mind-numbing animated crap with their intolerable toddlers

That wouldn't explain why the Looney Tunes writers did it.

Nah. That happened in the past too. Look at Animaniacs. For that matter, look at the old Warner Brothers cartoons. They often had hell of references to pop culture of the day. Not quite as many as now, but it was still a valid source of reference.

man is he like lip-synching?

also, at 1:17-1:24, HOW CUTE IS THE YAK??? HUGHUGHUGHUG.

IT'S NOT A YAK IT'S A MONSTER.

And yes he is lipsynching because the audio systems are not that good on the floats.

I would like to add to this [i]fuck thanksgiving because I am British

[/i]

Girl, Thanksgiving Sani-Tacos is a tradition no one should have to do without, just because they are British.
You just pretend you believe and look like you mumbling the words and get you some Tacos.

Fuck the British because I am Thanksgiving .

Warren Ellis typically states that it is celebrated as being thankful that you got rid of a boatload of religious nuts to across the sea.

That was entirely correct and seems worth celebrating. The religious nuts are back in control now. Please save us.

Ah, it happened again! I got confused again about what the fiddle player Warren Ellis would be doing talking about history! Why must this happen to me like every three strips?

Warren Ellis also says Where Ever You Go, You Are.

Funny! There's a proverb that sort of goes like that where I'm from - it says Bathroom is where you happen to yourself.

Is it so wrong that I'd really enjoy one of Pat's sensibilly get-togethers?

is that so wrong

Sensibilly? Is that the opposite of psychobilly?

hahaha damn I actually read the blog thing you are referencing and I was basically exactly right oh shit it is almost 6 and i have not slept WHAT THE HELL.

Quote:
You wear your own iPod, so as not to disturb the other dancers, or you just feel your own way around the space's energy. The vibe turns out to be tremendous, and experimental. I find myself slipping out a new stutter-shuffle or flying heel variation in an environment of total, non-judgmental freedom. It's incredible.


This would seem ridiculous if I didn't know a girl here that goes to something pretty much exactly like this every Saturday, except that it's in a warehouse, and it's women-only (so as to be completely non-judgmental).

Chubbied for the last part.

Also that's an incredibly stupid idea and I don't think I would enjoy that one bit.

Well you wouldn't be allowed to enjoy it.

hahaha

It is understood by Tekende that he is Unwelcome at all times.

Tekende is not allowed to Enjoy being a sensibilly.

Good point!

Taking part in a group experience without sharing anything as a group except for "mutual presence"? That does sound goddamn awful.

oh you men/not sensibillies, of course you wouldn't get it.

I think it sounds adequately groovy.

I'm sorry, I like throwing parties where everyone has fun. Part of the fun is trusting in the taste of the person throwing the 'dig, and possibly hearing something you haven't heard before. For instance, "Dr. Bootygrabber" by a group called the Detroit Grand Pubahs. I think I laughed all the way through that song the first time I heard it. Or Wesley Willis. Or a thousand and one other songs and artists that you would never stumble across if you were picking out the music yourself. And socializing with people. And other reasons why you go to a party.

What you're describing (and what I've read in an article describing the same thing, except on a NY subway train rolling party) is nothing more than group masturbation en solo . We have too much disconnect in modern life: why the hell would we want even more of it when we're around others?

Last question: is there something going on with the folks roughly only a decade younger than myself that revel in this sort of detachment?

These dang kids...aargh...where's my liniment...and my copy of Parade...

It is pretty much why we sit on the internet all day long, instead of going outside to meet new people.

The reason I stay in is because I do not find the same caliber of conversation. The only caliber I see is that of their chamber. Rednecks.

What's going on is that people suck.

Oh we suck so bad. They. Not we, I am awesome. I am so awesome I can't have any friends because they suck so bad. Maybe I just suck. No.

I don't like what you're doing here. I don't feel like I have a lot of outs.

It's just a peach, elbox.

thereisnowayout

group masturbation on a subway?

That's been going on in every generation!

Seriously though I think it'd be sort of fun, not saying I'd throw one or hang out there for a long time, but I just like to do Stuff.

Once I went to a ritual pig slaughter (for Freya) at some farm with my friend and her dad. I got pig blood smeared on my forehead with a pinecone, and we all had to renounce monotheism to be allowed in the slaughter area. I watched two hillbillies try and stick sharpened skivs into a pig's throat for half-an-hour, then we all played drums and some guy told us he killed a bear with a bow and arrow.

That was a fun party. I think sensibillism would be okay too.

Freya Stark?

There are neo-Pagan hillbillies? Seriously?

Neo is hardly a word I'd use to describe these people. They were honest to goodness, salt-of-the-Earth, blood-dousing, Nordic God worshiping, overall-wearing, bow-and-arrow hunting Pagans. It was an experience I share with only a few, and that is exactly the sort of thing I like to do. :0)

Texas seems to have a high concentration of pagans from my own anecdotal experience.

An Asatru friend from there mentioned how on at least one occasion there was some issue of being hassled by rednecks, but they soon realized that the Asatru actually had far more guns and other weapons.

That actually sounds kind of amazingly cruel.

I don't really like Polly, she seems a bit superfluous. but maybe Onstad is making a point here. He seems to come in for a lot of criticism for being unable to write decent female characters, so he's come up with a woman who is not only as intellectual and verbose as Connie, but is also a stripper, who are usually thought of as being pretty dumb.

goddammit one more person says "I don't like Polly" and I'm fucking killing the internet.

I don't like Molly.

>_<

Get some sleep.

I got like four hours of sleep. I'm still wired. The thing is we are probably not going to get to eat until 5. FUCK.

DONT KILL THE INTERNET THEGUITARHERO WHERE WILL NOLAN LIVE (HE WILL NOT STAY AT MINE I TELL YOU NOW)

TOO LATE. EAT THIS TOM! EAT IT!

OH GOD DAMMIT THE FOSTER'S HOME FOR IMAGINARY FRIENDS FLOAT FUCKING RICK ROLLED US.

You will eat this cat poop !

Nice reference to the unrated version of Anchorman.

Nice beaver hat.

dude that would be gross.

but sure is warm. Just put the flap on your hears and you can go outside at -20 no prob. The hair can sting a bit, and sometimes the smell is annoying, but it's a small price.

Does that [unread ] thing still annoy you if it's italic?

I wasn't annoyed, I started it. Belgand was annoyed.

It would annoy me, but I took the weekend off so I've been reading through manually.

That face and your hat is making me think Southpark.

That hat is making me think of South Park.

Wait. Dammit. My eyes passed over the second part of your statement.

So much for bionic sight.

Onyxly, his vision is bary terrible.

Grararar I'll drown your children etc.

I shoot blanks! *fonzie thumbs up*

This just keeps getting to me as my girlfriend is named Holly.

Apparently she has twin aunts named Polly and Lolly. She did not entirely escape as her own, fraternal, twin sister has a name beginning with an H as well. This all seems odd to me.

I don't like... Golly, I like everyone!

Polly, I don't like.

Don't like I, Polly.

Polly, like, I don't?

DIP onlike tolly.


Wait...

Do link politely.

'

Dike Pointy Loll

That's actually awesome.

Aw shucks, mister.

KILL TINY POODLE!

Tokyo pile in dill.

I really like the use of the word "jeroboam." At least it wasn't a nebuchadnezzar of Obsession.

Today's is an example of the kind of strip we need more of.

panel 10 is a beef line, not a ray line

just sayin

I don't think so.

What?

No it isn't. Chances are, if a line includes "I got to" it is a Ray line.

or if it has punctuation or isn't in only small caps.

or if it is a line that Ray would say.

or if Ray is saying this line.

Why is Connie being so mean to Ray!

I DON'T KNOW.

Because Ray's being kind of a dick?

Like a ... dick !

No thanks, got one.

Can I have some Wasabi fries?

I want ray smuckles to write my obituary.

That's a classy shoe buffer though

I don't understand why Cornelius has been hating on Ray so hard this story arc, considering it was Ray's good-natured social ineptness that got Connie in the sack with a hot younger woman in the first place.

good alt text

Man look at those words, dogg. Those are some nice words.

A lesser comic would have had Polly spew out a bunch of events that happened in previous storylines instead of making genuine inferences.

A lesser comic would have all the characters look stupid and be stupid.

Happy Turkey Day, kids. Hope you got a bone.

I got that wishbone and I was all "Wish BONE BONE BONE BONE"

(this did not happen.)

i have that "no-pinhole-in-the-lav regret" every time a friend brings a chick over

I never even noticed shoes in general here.

Shoes.

See here:

Appropriate internet meme regarding a gentleman dressed as a blonde woman who loves shopping for shoes.

Shoes.

Omigawd!

That's not happennnning.

This post rules.

That post sucks.

The bear's girlfriend is making the cat have impure thoughts. The cat tries to calm himself down by thinking this is normal, but it is not normal and he really should tell his priest about it.




AAAAAAHHHHH!

Mr. Bear is Dating A Retarded Person.

She is not Retarded.
But her hand, it is Retarded.

You don't call retards retarded, you call your friends retarded when they are acting like retards!

(Two cult references in one night!)

No retard should pay to eat.

I know, I'm the guy who sucks, but I can't work out how to search the comments so I can download Assetbarrista and so I'm sending out a little, give a guy a helping hand, to all-y'all.

As a side note how ridiculous is it that I've only just now started using Fire Fox. Put me on the truck bound for Bill Gates' large 'bot factory.

do you have greasemonkey downloaded? download that first.

I do now. Does that make me eligible?

yes. now just run a google search for assetbarista and I'm fairly certain that the first page that comes up is the one with the downloads. It'll tell you what to do there.

i'ma red and emale form sum1 sum shumuck whose acunt i got pass 2, is radnom quality is hit/miss here goes:**

Amadna, i m verry gald 2 her u say dat an am lukn fowad 2 c u (sunday???) k buy

-- alf

**pselig is hit/miss swell, is woz writ not 1st lang. oslo, nam changes 4 privessy


Reading other peoples' mail is a federal offense, you should desist immediately.

A couple questions.

1. Didn't they agree that Molly and Roast Beef would meet them for the dinner date? Why is only Ray here?

2. Why is this stripper so super intelligent?

3. Why does Cornelius describe the actions taking place instead of just writing in the dialogue for the Spice channel?

1. Ray uninvited them.

2. Because sometimes people overcome their circumstances.

3. Because it's funnier.

Also a couple means 2, not 3.

The first time I used a dvd player was to watch Moulin Rouge, and found it awesomely avant-garde because of the voice-over work. I found out with the closing credits that I had fumbled with the soundtrack options and that I had watched the version for the visually impaired.
I don't usually talk about this.
I like to think that Cornelius does the Spice for the blind thing. I like it because it's a little funny, and because I feel embarrassed a little. Sort of like that scene in the Kubrick movie where Nicole Kidman is stoned and goes to the bathroom.
That answers 3.

2: Because Cornelius is all kinds of badass, including that kind of badass.

1: Supper parties include cocktails that are the drinks you start with so you can chill out and wait for the fashionably still-trying-to-figure-out-what-pair-of-chucks-to-wear-s. Connie being aware that Polly may, and should, be the center of attention, as a newcomer with an occupation that will have host and guests assume mucho, he is careful not to put her in the awkward position of the last guest to arrive - so that she has time to gradually figure things out, rather than be labeled shallow when assumed to have taken ages picking the right scarf. Doubtless Molly understands that well, plus she doesn't want Beef hammered on Tequilatinis before the cheese salad hits the plates. That's what I think, because I was wondering too, and I almost asked, and then I thought of that and I waited for someone to ask it so they would look silly instead.
Now you look silly!

Spice for the DEAF, not the blind.

"Gary bounces on top of her, thrusting against her with his smooth groin."

At the words 'smooth groin', belgand's ears prick up.

At the word 'prick'...

Neverending chubbies for that clip.

Is Onstad setting the stage for interspecies romance?

Honestly, that line was crossed some time ago.

The prostitute.

Exactly. To be fair, though, that was not really a "romance."

Sexually magic.

A...a quail?... is an entree on a menu. I wonder how Connie and Polly didn't suss that part of Ray?

I mean, there's a certain unmistakable smell .

That meat...is...is it mixed race?

Ray is more worried about being tagged as a man who like watching chicks make toilet than as the kind of guy who is looking forward to his friend's death so that he can steal his woman.

Man's priorities are screwed. Shame.

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Just remember:

You do not get to have other reputations.

There are two things this fellow would like to say to oblivion (the very bottom of the comments page):

1. Man this thing with this heccibiggs person is odd and shows exactly why i pop in on a comment page to say something snarky then leave till the next.

2. Onstad is physically incapable of delivering on a promise. No disrespect, but I have come to accept that if it says it will be there today, it will be there tomorrow.

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Your hat protects your ears...at the cost of YOUR DIGNITY !

I don't understand the question, and I won't respond to it.

You could at least have had the good sense to lame me if you disliked my comment. And yet you did not!

Yeah that shit was weak. It's not like anyone would post a youtube video of a guy so they could talk about what his accent is like and how wide his face really is.

Guys should try 'being' a woman on the 'net just for a short while, not being saucy, just trying to make conversation. It gets really scary really quickly.

That really depends how you play it. I've sampled the spectrum, and there are plenty of ways to be female without attracting obnoxious attention. The simplest is to use a Christian Bale avatar, clearly indicating to all guys that they are beneath your standards and might as well make normal conversation because the sexy talk just won't work.

Being generally oblivious to anything you don't like to hear helps. Eventually they'll stop saying it if it never gets a response.

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You.....you're female?

with....rape fantasies?

Only when it's convenient. Normally I'm just a human without a particular interest in gender.

Rape fantasies? Maybe a little, but I'd prefer to try consentual sex first. I can kinda imagine the appeal in surrendering power to someone else, but I'd like to get an idea of what's a normal sexual encounter before then. There's gotta be something not mentioned in sex ed class, or people wouldn't be so excited about it.

well yeah, maybe you should actually be penetrated before you decide being unwillingly penetrated might be fun.

outside of any emotional or cultural issues, someone jamming something into you without the... proper interest on your part hurts .

I'd rather have an open mind than dismiss something I haven't tried. Doesn't mean I'll ever try it, but I won't judge people who do until I have.

So you're a woman hiding behind Bale, and you're fairly chaste as well? I hope the younger men are paying attention.

In some senses of the word, sure. I'm definitely not pure of mind, but I guess I am pure of body.


And the Bale thing was also partly me calling tekende a woman.

A dude turns out to be a lady and in just a few posts the topic is already all about theoretical sex acts.

The Internet is a wonderful place.

for your sake i hope you are actually a dude.

i mean, what with you having ass hair and all. *shudder*

though if you're a lady we can be bff! i mean i've noticed you are always saying weird creepy things that really appeal to me. basically everywhere you talk about gross shit i've left wood.

I'm a little fuzzy on the bff concept, but I guess if you like the gross stuff then it is ok that I do it.


On the ass hair thing that is because I am also secretly a bitch. With long hair. :/ the more you know

I will treat you differently now that I know that you're not Christian Bale.

Does that make me a rapist?

BFF stands for butt fucking fuckers right? I am not up on the New Slang.

I never notice the stripes or the dirt in my fries.

Baked French Fries.

It's something Pat likes to inflict upon the unwary.

It's not a nice thing.

When did you call me a woman

Also why

god dammit Batman, now i want to share an intimate moment with you. well more than i wanted to fuck batman, i want to sex up the girl with the batman avicon.

balls.

Wouldn't you rather have a complex, pseudo-BDSM relationship with Catwoman?

Harle Quinn, 4tw

Hmm... I like her obsessive nature and when she was a psychiatrist she was pretty hot, but I think I'm more of a Poison Ivy type.

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I like how you seem to inadvertantly admitting to rape here. Or at least severely ill-advised sexual conduct.

That or simply being unable to arouse women.

Or having a quickie with my girlfriend and we were out of lube and it was a spur of the moment thing?

I have never had a girl be interested quickly enough that lack of lubrication was a problem. I find that a degree of lengthy pre-heating is often necessary. Using lube to just microwave things? Sadly, not part of my experiences. I do not get quickies. This is sad.

No don't despair, a quickie that needs lube is not love. The woman should be wet naturally, or you're just jackin' off in her hole.

SHE GETS WENT EVENTUALLY AND SHE LIKED IT OK JEEZ.

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I don't blame her for leaving.
But seriously, fellas, give the women some foreplay for Jizzum's sake.

Dirty talk was the foreplay, she only had a ten minute break.

Who's the hairy guy with the dildo?

That's why they make you volunteer to give blood. Also why they do not rape you when you're in the chair.

... the electric chair?

I thought he meant that too. I shed a single tear.

Are you getting what autrepoupee is telling you? This is important. You can be "just a human" with no gender interest, fine. However...
There's a thing called personal autonomy, not to be confused with Myspace. Most people have it, and it is viewed as a "healthy" offshoot thingy of ego, if you will. It automatically establishes and adjusts boundaries. Very handy.
If you don't have this, or have a diminished sense of it, you probably have a problem in the societal sense.

Your thing about rapists got needs too, that's way off. It's like, did Bill Hicks go there?

Surrendering power is different to the surrender of love. Rape is almost political- it's about dominance and power; that's not love, it's not normal human relationship. You may see plenty of variations on it, that doesn't mean it's normal or desirable. It isn't.
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There's gotta be something not mentioned in sex ed class, or people wouldn't be so excited about it.

Where do you come from with this? What planet? Did you live your entire childhood and adolescence chained in a basement? Are you still there?

Not physically, but I developed late & by the time I was ready to talk about it, everyone else had moved on. I'm trying to figure things out but I haven't really found anyone I'm comfortable talking to about it.

Why should everyone have a normal human relationship? Not everyone is a normal human.

I'm not sure who Bill Hicks is so ... shrug

Stereo, I think you're a huge bullshitter. High five!

I mean "normal" as in "not Nice-Pete". Awwwwww. Yeah. Just in karmic terms is all. Rape is bad karma.

Bill Hicks was an over-the-top social commentator/comedian. Very over-the-top, very brilliant,actually- now very dead. I don't know if he did a rape shtick. I don't know much of his material either, so....shrug.

Idk if you could call him a comedian. He's more of a funny traveling ideologue.

Why people always gotta be telling me about dead people? It's too late, man.

Also, didn't he mention, before the holidays last week, that there would be a bunch of blog updates, and then there were only 2? Am I remembering that correctly?

It's OK to not promise us things, Onstad.

I'm for qualifying the two we did get as "a bunch", if only to save time caring.

No doubt a wise move.

The man has to make some change to buy his kid some birthday presents and expensive beers for himself. So he does not keep us freeloaders in his mind much and I can respect this. I just want him to stop making promises like Daddy did: late at night, rowdy on beer, and without follow through.

My dad once promised me I could barbecue a pizza, in the absentminded "sure, sure, now stop bugging me during football" way dads do. Nothing was quite as saddening as later, when we brought home the frozen pizza and I began taking out the barbecuing equipment, and he put a stop to the proceedings.

Don't be my dad in 1997, dearest Onstad.

If the comic was on time, what would you even talk about?

I'm sure I'd find a hobby or something.

Jerkin' it is not a hobby.

It is if you make sculptures out of your semen.

And with all this free time due to comics not gettin' posted!

I don't think you understand how semen works. If you can make anything from a collection of jizzum you should be an award winner artist and getting a Nobel thingy ma bobber. It dries FAST.

Obviously it wouldn't be an all at once thing, you'd accrete slowly, like stalagmites.

You can make an omelet, I hear.

You could make a stay-puft marshmallow man without too much trouble. The finished product would be genuinely terrifying

Alright girl, lemmi see them toes.

Now put your shoes back on.

...that was meant for...

google?

(on second thought no one will believe that)

oh my god wait til your employers get a load of this ~

I just saw your status and threw up in my tea.
Damn puns.

Still kind of a funny status. Better than those people who set their status to "pretty happy today" and then write posts complaining about how everyone on AssetBar is off topic and that touamb is the only sensible place to talk about achewood even though touamb totally sucks and is filled with people who constantly whine about how achewood is falling apart no matter how good the strips are because they are led by Asherdan who continues to point out stupid "shortcuts" taken by Onstad except in touamb he is actually fucking applauded for it instead of reviled like he is here on assetbar.


Boy. That went elsewhere.

daidai needs to plan more murders already ok

little did stereo know, but daidai's meaningless rants were just a decoy to drag him out into the open. time would tell whether or not the trap would work...

And with another of daidai's plans exposed by random AssetBar comments, Operation: Murder Stereo And Cement The Body Into A Foyer Decoration came to a screeching halt.

Little did theguitarhero know that this concluded the penultimate step of Operation: Give Theguitarhero Polio.

Polio? Man, that is fucking dastardly

A polio threat AND a potential Great Depression and stock market crash?

SOMEONE CALL STEVEN HAWKINGS AND TELL HIM HE CAN SUCK IT, I GOT YOUR BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME RIGHT HERE BABYYYYY!

v-chub a dub.

I don't know if it's Steven Hawking-

Sounds more like theguitarhero has been changed into Franklin D. Roosevelt!

daidai, do we need to have a "talk".

Foyer? I hardly knew eh?


but now I know

Is it just me or do you always have murder plots going on?

Sometimes they are schemes.

Here are some of their schemes.

1167 and not one of them makes any sense

But what does this mean? Is "PFAH" and insult or an acronym?

[quote]New strip PFAH Tuesday[/quote[

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BBcode will not defeat me!

I subscribe via RSS and never read these promises (they're on the achewood.com page?).

Same here. I believe it's on the front page if you go to www.achewood.com, but I never go there any longer. It's nicer to not expect it, and be surprised, than to be disappointed when it doesn't come, I think.

[lech] Because I'm always disappointed when they don't come. [/lech]

That's what she said!

But that is what she said... now I'm confused.

Last week I was telling my 9 year old about how they name big bottles of wine after old Biblical kings (I could only remember Nebuchadnezzar to be honest) and he was mildly impressed by my grasp of useless wine trivia. Then we are given the Jeroboam of cologne and I had to call the boy over. Again, mildly impressed: " huh , that's interesting" he says... Is it too soon for him to start acting like a teenager? Am I going to be one of "those" dads?...

yes. hell yes. I'm making it a personal goal to wear black dress socks with tennis shoes and shorts while driving him around town. HELLS yeah.

On an unrelated note: I found a backdoor reference to Achewood on Dr. McNinja today. A bloo bloo bloo!

There was another one. Cartilage head made a cameo in one.

I have a link to it somewhere in the CH arch.

Because there's no way to share the the things you like and be a cool Dad is one of the many reasons I refuse to procreate.

Then you will never have moments like this: your dear old-fashioned Aunt and Uncle from the Coast are visiting. Uncle is a registered Chess Master, who calmly administers objective whippings that increase your skill exponentially.
He magnanimously lets the 8-year old stepson play, as the boy enjoys the game, and cuts him some slack.

However, you have to draw the line and refuse the 3-year old son from playing, as he has no comprehension of the pieces, much less the game strategy.
Daddy's boy mumbles petulantly, "bastud", and Aunt and Uncle's jaws drop.

I couldn't punish him, he heard it from me pounding nails, besides which he had a right to his opinion.
My childless-by-choice sister was there, and still rips a belly laugh guffaw recalling that.

Get it while you can, farqussus, or have no regrets.

I will quite happily be the childless-by-choice sister in this story. Excepting the sister bit.

Unless your nine-year-old is a big Bible reader or fascinated with words, what else should he say? With my son, we traded information that was interesting. He would explain the hand-to-hand combat sequences he was creating with this G.I. Joes, and I would lecture on Roman history and the origin of the Consititution.

He's a big reader. Loves words. But again, I have to find common ground with him. Turns out the next day I was telling him about my first game system (Atari 2600) and he was fascinated. I found an emulator and he's been playing Pitfall nonstop like it was World of Warcraft.

HA! yes...taht reputaion of his...gotta watch out!