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A comment left by presrvdkillick was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by khromegnome, Ravigotte, gowerski)

Since when is any part of the human body tin? Seriously of all the elements that are only useful in packaging I think that has to be number one.

Clearly you have very little sensitivity towards my fellow cyborgs.

So much for your dream, Martin. So much for your dream.

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A comment left by daedala_x was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by gladi8orrex, RitardoMontabum, furysama, farqussus, NDCaesar, lateadopter, Shinkicka)

what is lame is to block out your credit card info!

We're all friends here, if you can't trust people who enjoy the same webcomic as you, who CAN you trust?

Now then, kindly repost without such gross mistrust, so I don't have to start removing layers on that image until I finally discover something Big Mike's House of Impulse Purchases will accept.

course i trust assetbarians. it's more like i was worried people would play hell of pranks like ordering 1000 guava flavored jumbo-jumbo butt plugs and it would go over my limit and capital one will all issue me this letter that reads:

Dear valued customer,
Due to a recent withdraw exceeding the limits of your credit, we have canceled your account. Action was taken to prevent potential fraud or potential protracted colon. For safety reasons, you will not be accepted if you reapply. Please do not reapply.
Have a good day,
Capitalone

Moar like assetbarbarians, am I rite?

Daedala_x, you wrote:

" potential protracted colon "

The greater risked is of prolapsed colon. In this condition the organ grows tired of its normal confines, and wants to go exploring the world on its own. Depending on the severity of the prolapse, it might even find new friends and start a new life.

whoops, right you are. here's a chubby for paying attention.

%u201CGood sir,%u201D Daedala_x went on with a heightened sense of dignity, %u201Cthe one who is at a loss to understand the other is I. But at least the immediate point should be plain, unless you are determined to have it otherwise. Merely %u2014 you are my own colon.%u201D

The Colon regarded Daedala_x, and contracted its brows a little.

%u201CMy dear madam, you speak in error,%u201D was its reply. %u201CI am just myself %u2014 myself separately. And in any case there cannot ever have existed a close relation between us, for, judging from the buttons of your uniform, your service is being performed in another department than my own.%u201D

Yes, yes, go ahead and comment on my screwing up assetbar rather than the actual comment. That's what I get for touching myself at night.

It's okay. I touch myself at night too.
*support*

I don't want anybody else.

When I think about you...

You gotta go with Christ, brah.

Gotta have faith, faith, faith...

Hm, looks like that Assetbarista plugin actually makes the quotes display correctly now, though it didn't immediately after I posted.

What? Damn work computers and their slavish devotion to MS.

i met a sheep's prolapsed ladypart once. it was tired of miracles, wanted to kill itself, but the farmer loved to watch miracles too much and tied it back in with twine. i guess that's what you get for being ladyparts in sheep, they bring it on themselves

True, but if you had 1,000 plugs to work through I think that might also qualify as a protracted colon. Though I realize this is a stretch.

*rimshot*

Now that's a pun.

"You cancelled your credit card. I need you not to cancel your credit card and I need you to up your limit." - Anna in Punchdrunk Love

Would they not accept goatse.cx? Let's face it, that's the proper image for a credit card. We all know it. It works on so many levels (mainly just two though).

Ah well, due to never having a credit card I'm deemed not responsible enough to have a credit card. I wouldn't want one either, but landlords are always wanting a credit check and apparently "I pay my bills on time every month in cash and have references for the past eight years or so that will attest to this and how I'm a great tenant" isn't quite the same for some reason. Nice to know that incurring debt is judged as more responsible than sensibly avoiding it altogether.

Dude, you know what's a good idea? Just get some credit cards. Get ones with no account fees if you can. Then, place them in a locked draw and throw away the key. Instant perfect credit rating.

Is that true? I thought you had to use them and pay them off to get a credit rating.

You gotta buy something with them one time. Then pay it off, and then lock them away.


Yeah, my girlfriend got a secured card after giving them some sort of down payment. She's just running our rotating, fixed monthly expenses on it (cable, Netflix, etc.) and leaving them on auto-pay and then using auto-pay on her debit card to pay off the credit card. It's basically just adding an extra, unwanted layer in there, but it should be building credit.

Aside from some secured thing or something equally pain in the ass since I have absolutely no credit history nobody will even give me a card. I always find it interesting all these articles and such about how many cards Americans have an how easy it is when the only credit offer I've ever been approved on was when the lady at the taqueria gave me a dollar off because she was low on change.

Most people are bombarded with credit card offers as soon as they step into their college dorm. A lot of colleges even 'partner' with credit card companies, which basically means that they give them your dorm phone number so they can call you at all hours of the day or assault you around campus. We are further told by the experts that we should take advantage of these offers because it is a good time to start building credit.

I thought:
You get a credit card, buy things regularly, and you pay off like 90% for each bill. And you do this for a few months. And then you get a second credit card and you "play them off eachother" until they offer you platinum.

This is the advice my father gave me before he went out for cigarettes and never came back.

Why wouldn't you pay 100% of it every month? Why incur interest?

This is fundamentally why I don't get it. Why on Earth would I ever want to borrow money from someone and then have to owe them more money as a result? I mean, I can sort of see the idea if you're buying a house or a car or such (I'd rather just save up until I could afford it or rent, but apparently people decided long ago to make this idea appear crazy to most people), but for everyday purchases what's the point?

I can maybe see the point of using a credit card in the days before debit cards were common as a convenience and then paying it off every month. Not ideal, but it was basically the only option. But going into debt over random crap?

Speaking of platinum at my old bank after my first debit card expired they sent me a platinum debit card. What in the hell is the point of that? I can now spend more of the money I already have? It looks shinier? So crazy.

That's exactly what I do. I have a credit card solely for the convenience of not having to run to an ATM all the time, and I have perfect credit.

Supposedly it is because the credit card companies will like it if you don't pay it all off as soon as you get the bill. I'm sure thye do like it better. But does that necessarily mean better credit? My father thinks it does. HE told me that when he owned his business he could take out a million dollars in credit.
I am definitely not a credit guy. I hate using the thing, because of the interest. You don't know how angry I was when I found out I was two bills behind because my mom didn't give me my bills when I was at college. I had to pay a lot of interest.
The reason why I use my credt card is so, basically, I can get a loan when it comes to important stuff. I am in college, and I like being in college, and I want to spend a long time in academia. I couldn't get any loans last year to pay for school because I had no credit, and my parents have terrible credit (my father reuined the good credit he got). That is why I am forcing my self to use this card when I have 7000 dollars in the bank, have a $300 monthly income, and I spend $100 a month.

$100 a month? You're kidding, right? Dude, just my fucking rail tickets cost me $23.50 a week. And that's student prices, regular folks pay $47. If I want to have lunch, it's what, $7 for a Subway meal? Or maybe $8 for the sushi place across the road. (Small college). I still live at home but occasionally get groceries for the week, and that's usually $100-$150. For a week . How - how is what you're saying possible? You're in college, staying presumably on campus, but you still have to eat for chrissake.

Monday: Rice
Tuesday: Beans
Wednesday: Rice and Beans
Thursday: Beans and Rice
Friday: Two Minute Noodle Day!!!!
Saturday: Beer
Sunday: Nausea

Gormster: How extravagant !

I'm the only student here how doesn't drink.
(Not really, but it feels this way).
But this is still funny, so have a chubby.

Been sober for the last year. It is REALLy easy when you don't have any money

wow, what an avatar. memory flowing back. chubbs

Monday: taco
Tuesday: hotdog
Wednesday: hamburgers and chocolate milk
Thursday: sloppy joes and burritos in a bag.
Friday: pizza day. the best day of the week. all the kids would line up super early just to eat.

Now I'm out of school and I don't have a job
I just sit around all sweaty and lethargic

me too.

you're a slob!

Well, you're a Crab.

CK PIRU 4 LIFE.

(if you don't get this, then I know more about street gang culture than you.)

And now I think about where it all went wrong
how I can't concentrate on anything but reruns

I am not positive about the $100, but I do think it is around there. Can't be more than 200, no way.
I don't spend money on anything, and I have a meal plan. I can get into the cafetaria whenever I want and eat however much I want.

I think it's the "cafeteria and eat however much I want" that makes $100 seem a bit more plausible. So basically you spend $100 on non-food items then, yes?

Yes, something like that. Sometimes I spend more. And sometimes I buy food as well.

on-campus accomodations and dining hall privilages might go a long way to mitigating sje's expenses.

Ahhh. The days of not paying rent, bills, renter's/home insurance, or food. And being able to walk to class. That is basically living for free if the school costs are covered.

That or just living with your girlfriend. It's basically like college except you no longer need to go to class and you never have homework.

Finding a job has been, basically, the hardest thing I have ever attempted to do in my entire life.

College was easy, finding a job is impossible.

i mean, c'mon, what do you do with a BA in English?

Sit quietly in the corner and cry.

I've got a BS in Biology, another in Microbiology (we didn't have a molecular biology program sadly so I had to improvise) and a couple of years of undergraduate research in a lab working on genetic mutation and repair.

This is why I have so much time to post on Assetbar all day long.

They give me the internet and my own PC, my job is in no way complicated. Therefore I have much time for myself.

I love that musical
Enjoy the chubb!

I lived on ramen and sriracha for three years. I made it on $50 a month for food, mostly in the liquid side. I lived in fucking Oklahoma, where rent is tiny. Still cost me a total of 500 a month after all things were considered.

I spend... around 400 a month on rent (utilities furniture included). And I get (beg borrow steal) all my food from my parents so it's basically free unless I go out to a restaurant.

50 a month must be pretty cheap ramen, I usually get the more expensive (80c/packet) kind cause it doesn't taste like cardboard :p

Mine was cardboard. A pack of 20 was $2.00. I had other things like crappy ripoff versions of cereal, but still super cheap. It is remarkable what a college-age body can live off of

Most of the off-brand cereals are pretty good and either basically indistinguishable or better.

Don't try the fake Cap'n Crunch.
It blows.

What's it called?

Skipper Crisp? Admiral Snap?

Berry Colossal Crunch.
I've half a bag on top of my fridge, if you want it.

Commodore Berry, by any chance?

Archduke Fudgula

Count Vanillula

Cocoa Crisp Rice
Golden Puffs
Honey Nut Scooters
Frosted Mini Spooners

Krispy Rice.

Yum.

I've done the math several times, and I still don't see how someone can live on $100 a month. Well, I suppose you could survive , but it's seriously not healthy. The half-life of caffeine is under 12 hours in most people, so you'll need to have coffee at least twice per day. An adequately sized latte or caffe mocha costs four dollars and change, and you'll want to give the barista a tip so the other patrons don't all look up from their iPhones and glare at you for being so cheap, so let's call it an even five dollars. That works out to $300 per month just for the essentials.

energy drinks are cheaper and can be bought in bulk. no glaring. not even a fake-smile customer-service cherubs asking if you want to donate a dollar to the cause of the week, 'cos the person ringing you up will go into the back room and shoot themselves on their next state-required ten-minute break.

that and the ramen and c-brand cereals can tide everyone over on $100. i'm soon to go off to college in the next few weeks. i will prove these statements.

You guys may be amazed to realize that you don't have to line up every morning to buy overpriced packaged crap like good little consumer drones when you can just have a cup of tea or instant coffee at home, or even (gasp!) not be addicted to caffeine. Mind boggling, I know.

I don't drink coffee, or red bull, or anything like that. And if I wanted to, my cafetaria--which, as I already said, is paid for for the year and I can go as many times I want and get as much as I want--has a good selection of coffee.

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You guys may be amazed to realize that you don't have to line up every morning to buy overpriced packaged crap like good little consumer drones


Now you're just being silly. Tea bags and instant coffee are sold at the grocery store . The grocery store is a veritable wasteland . They don't sell CDs or even books at the grocery store. So even if you can buy your caffeinated beverages there, your life will be culturally barren.

And the coffee shop supports fair trade . I didn't have time to read that brochure because I had to catch up on some important cellphone calls while waiting in line for my coffee, but the bottom line is that fair trade is really important . Does your grocery store have brochures about fair trade? I didn't think so. Every time you shop there, you're oppressing indigent people. No, wait. Indigenous. Indignant? I can't remember the exact term, but I learned all about it from the liner notes of the new Sting CD I bought at the coffee shop.

Oh, I know: igneous! You're oppressing the igneous people. Come on! There's a freaking volcano in the middle of their village. Don't you think they've suffered enough?

The coffee shop coffee also protects the rainforest. Does your grocery store coffee come with a brochure explaining its environmental impact? No, I didn't think so.

Oh, and trade in that bicycle of yours for a Prius, before it's too late. We've got an environment to save!

I bet your brochures are printed on used toilet paper too!

I know you are being sarcastic but alot of coffee shops are selling Fair Trade coffee now, and also rainforest-saving coffee.

God damn it that was supposed to be grocery stores.

I buy my tea from elderly Asians in small warren-like shops deep in the middle of Chinatown. I could probably get a mogwai there I asked nicely and had better connections.

Screw your yuppie coffeeshop, this wins far more hipster cred than your MacBook bespotted cafe with the infestation of fixies outside. I don't care if Ritual has a sign stated "No blogging in line".

O shit, are you in San Francisco too? If so, you're even cooler than I thought. (re: Ritual coffee)

Yeah, I live in the Haight. If you wanted to hang out some time or maybe get such as a burrito that would basically be awesome.

Hit me up on the Google mail. I'm Belgand there as well as everywhere else.

That would be Rad! I'm in Berkeley, but SF during the day.

My roommate lived on the sixty dollars a months he made by donating plasma every two weeks. We let him stay in the boiler room for $25 a month, and he spent the rest on ramen. He lived this was for over a year.

indigenous .

the word you were looking for is indigenous .

Reminds me of the Onion where on their video feed they had a headline once "Coming up: Learn how to brew your own coffee at home."

dear GOD, that i could go back and re-live my life from the instant i posted this comment.

I don't drink coffee and there's no way in hell I'd ever tip the barista. You know why you have that little tip jar there? It's because otherwise nobody would ever even consider tipping you.

Yeah, I'd never tip her unless she asked. I wouldn't stop after the tip if she did though.

I'd tip if she were naked.

Dildo it! $1

There is no coffee.

This is what I do with the Starbucks' Barista.

i lived on exactly $300 per month in college. but i made my own coffee.

I lived for about a month on the streets of Montreal. Twasn't too bad. There was a rough patch of about 3 or 4 days that I was wishing I had a roof, but other than that it was a fairly interesting experience. We lived on dollars a day.

He must be. Someone do some quick math here, because I blow at math (English major lolz):
I spent, including books/fridge for the room: around if not more than $1000 since late August. Not including the around $60 I spent in the past 2 days (technically I withdrew $40 but total I spent more like $40).

I'm not . . .although I must admit I didn't include the cost of my books in my calculation (they were $400).
I'm rethinking, though. I do go home every once in a while, on the train. That is $16, there and back. But I swear I don't spend more than $200.

Then tell us your secret dogg.

I live in Mexico.

Balls. Impractical for poor people such as me.

Yeah, but I wasn't an idiot willing to sink himself into debt for absolutely no reason. I had a debit card which I prefer, (it's the same level of convenience, but I'm only spending the money I actually have)I didn't have any income, and know it's just complete crap. Turns out that the responsible choice is the problematic one when you live in an irresponsible society.

I still get credit card offers in the mail despite having no credit history and knowing that they'd just turn me down as a result. It's crazy.

The main thing I miss (what with only having a debit card) is the speed of payment. Paying by debit takes 2-5 business days a lot of the time (esp. on online purchases), credit cards are pretty much immediate.

I just got my first credit card, and I did it solely because I was pissed off at my bank. Some checks crossed in the mail and I ended up overdrawing my account. It was like 2 days before I knew this, and I made a series of very small purchases (like $2, $4, nothing above 10). Then the bank charged me $35 for each one of those. With a credit card, I'll still pay it off each month, but no jackass overdraft fees. Plus, you know, building credit and all that jazz.

Shut up, all of you! I've never wanted to have money less in my life!

I find that if I use it as a credit card (which I do anyway to avoid bank fees) I don't have any real delays.

I got my first cards a couple of years ago when I got a real job. Spent about $20 on one every month (I liked the picture more), never really used the other. I mean a 20% interest rate doesn't really inspire me to max the thing out every single month. Bought a brand new car, made my credit soar. Paid them off in full every time.

In September of this year, I got an AmEx with a huge line of credit and a 5% interest rate.

I completely agree with the "I don't understand why you don't pay it off in full" every month mindset, but I'm starting to see why people get into debt. I've been putting more and more on one card every month (I'm up to $300 already this billing period, from my average of $100). I'm building a new PC and I'm tempted to just throw EVERYTHING on the card and then just pay $50 a month off. ARGH IT IS SO TEMPTING.

I can see how people might think that. That they can just go on paying off a little bit forever. I still look at it and realize that I'll be paying more long-term in exchange for thinking that I'll be paying less. Also I realize that one day the reckoning will come.

But think, if you manage to put it off until hyperinflation starts, and we move to megadollars, your debt will be pretty much gone!

Or better yet, put it off infinitely and die in massive debt. That's my plan.

Isn't debt inherited?

Legal spouses inherit estates, which include assets and debts, even in absence of a will. If there is no spouse, and an estate has sufficient assets, debts must be paid out by the executor while the will is in probate. If there are insufficient assets to cover outstanding debts, the estate can be declared bankrupt. I don't know enough about the recent tightening of the screws that was called 'bankruptcy reform' to know for sure, but it may now be easier to be declared bankrupt after you are dead than while you are alive.

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sje46: Isn't debt inherited?

I could tell you a grim, grim story about inherited debt, lawyer, guns, money, suicide. In fact, throw in 20 year h.s. reunion, class president, and I pretty much just did tell it.

send lawyers guns and money, daddy, get me out of this

No, actually the reverse. See above reference: inherited debt; daddy and son were lawyers.
Use your imagination, the reality was grimmer still.

([url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5puAN1PGQw]warren zevon[/i] quote, your story reminded me)

yeah, dang, that one was pretty much mine to lose

Yeah, Warren Zevon song.
The son, who was our H.S. Senior class President, was also in charge of our 20th H.S. reunion. Also, he inherited his dad's debt, which turned out to be prodigious. Both were, not coincidentally, lawyers.
My friend got into pushing powder to try to make up the deficit, got busted a few weeks before reunion, and now can you guess the rest?

You are rocking some rough chuckles these days man.

Also your HS reunion totally isn't important enough to go that far in response to it.

Yes, guilty as charged, good sirrah. It was overly indulgent indeed to pound home a mental image for the young enquiring Master, of an Edwin Corey sort of fellow I grew up with, who, partly because of Inherited Debt , and of course, the negative karmic interest accrued therewith, felt compelled to eat his .38 caliber snubnose the week before said reunion.

Sadly, I did not attend and I am mostly sure he did not either.

I beg yours, Achewood's, and Edgar Allan Poe's forgiveness for babbling on with this dreary tale, but, lame me as you will, I know I deserve it. The telling begs the laming, I reckon.

Oh, p.s.
My seconds will be calling on you.

Man, you know we've all been out of lames on this board for, like, three days now. You know that!

At this point, anybody can say anything.

WOMEN SUCK, XKCD ROCKS.

I lamed you, I'm sorry.
It was more of a personal challenge, to see if I had the ability.

It turns out I do suck pretty bad!

LAME

(secret chubby, for the second half only. Don't tell no one.)

Oh dear, I fear you may have mistaken me. I was intending to state that I felt the poor fellow had gone to rather extreme lengths in order to save face and that one's reunion was definitely not on an order of magnitude such to make that sort of rashness advisable.

Your tale itself was, as so many seem to be, one of melancholy, the sins of the father being visited upon his son, and banking.

Was his name Henry? :(

Papa won't leave ya Henry, so there ain't no need to cry.

The road is dark, and the road is long, and many fall by the side...

His name wasn't Henry.

sadly that could probably also be a warren zevon song though at a lower tempo

Thomas Jefferson pulled that off, but they say he was a pretty smart guy. Plus he had Prez-cred.
Priceless!

I am one who got one resentfully. I travel a bit and airfare is something they don't accept cash for. I am also one of those who subscribe. I pay it off whenever I use it.

Does this mean you don't have a card alltogether, or just not a credit card (but a debit one)?

I use my debit card basically whenever possible. I've frequently used it for purchases of as low as two dollars or so. I like to save my cash for purchases that require cash and in SF that's fairly common.

You should smack them with your cane and say "My cheques are good enough for anyone in this town, sirrah."

You know what is kinda stupid? You blocked out the first four numbers, but they're printed again right below it. Hence, the first twelve digits of your credit card are 4862 3624 0822, and I'm willing to guess that I could figure out the last four with a bit of regenerative photoshopping. You also included the expiry date.

Dude. That. Was. Stupid.

remember that time assetbar bought a jet

A comment left by blastradius was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by TripperDay, hedonismbot, rowboat, ActualTaunt, Jeet, lateadopter, sje46, Davey-Boy)

How about go fuck yourself, he said himself that the strip was no good.

So he's making people pay to view it? That makes no sense!

JUST POST BOTH JEEZ IS THAT SO HARD.

that strip is terrible compared to this strip.

you just think about what that means.

also, there must be some people who are subscribers, and yet none of them are on assetbar. who are these die hard fans with their tongues cut out, pray tell?

It's three dollars a month. I would not bend down to pick up that small an amount of money. I carry that much in coin change at all times.

Also Daedala, I will point out further silliness about your credit card thing above. Seriously, never worry abou the first four digits, those just say what make of card you have. They are usually the same. Always blank the rest, and blank the expiry. I know a few places that will take the card without asking ofr the little numbers on the back, and could get a lot of naked animals delivered at my place really fast. You oughtta take that one down pretty quickly if you still have access

while it would delight me to no end to receive a lot of naked animals, perhaps you are right. i was actually going to blank the rest, but didn't for the sake of the photo. how silly/naive.

since you seem to know a lot about this, and since i seem to know very little, let me ask you:

how does most credit card fraud happen? it seems that online, for everything you'd want to buy with a cc, you'd also have to enter in your billing address and the 3-digit security code. so even if someone made a pressing of your card numbers at a restaurant, they still wouldn't have your address. and in person, you would have to present the actual card. right?

Usually we go about stealing CCs using phishing techniques. All those fake emails telling you that you won something or that there is something wrong with your bank account or some such. You follow the link to a fake site that looks legit, then enter your info, and bam. Two days later you are cleaned out by some Russian with a penchant for veggie-based porno.

I'm so happy that we could all get together here to talk about our credit. This is so interesting. I was just wondering about everyone's individual credit situation. I actually have been for awhile. I didn't know how to broach the subject.

Thank you. Thank you.

I'm kind of hoping we'll move on to prostate health, or possibly how long it's been since we've all checked our tire pressure.

I'll start. Last week: 31 psi front tires, 33 psi rear tires.

That's good. That is a good pressure.

Depending on the weight of the vehicle, of course.

By the way, my prostate is pink as a trout.

A visual inspection is contraindicated with the prostate. Also, you should just avoid broken mirrors in general.

A brown trout?

Flazisismuss sayeth: [qoute]I'm kind of hoping we'll move on to prostate health[/quote]
Well, my PSA level has gone up slightly, and has been in what they call an elevated level all along, but I'm not worried, and I won't let them stick a thing up my butt to poke holes through my colon wall to sample my prostate! Just let me die!

What, I can't spell "quote"? Must be my prostate acting up.

The prostate is the Secret Seat of Spelling.

I fret over spending $1.50 to take the bus somewhere. Three dollar a month would be an amazing improvement in my finances. I haven't earned that kind of money in years.

I hate going to school by the metro but the advantage is that they give me a bus pass that's good anytime.

This should have more lames.

This is the dude's job, you know. He's just trying to make some money. The best way to do that is to post some for free and some for pay.

A comment left by blastradius was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by TripperDay, IronDave, wilto, lateadopter)

disagree: one of the things i find most appealing about achewood is that it's one of the few rad things in my world that isn't plastered in advertisements. i currently have no income, but when i do, i have no problem supporting onstad by subscribing and purchasing more merch

I lamed this by accident. Sorry.

not a prob. thanks for letting me know.

The man has every right to ask for money in order to see the strips. He has every right to take down all of the strips from the free section and post them on the paid section. For a man who has to support himself, his wife, and his child, I am surprised he posts as many free ones as he does. Maybe the man doesn't want advertising. I hate advertising. Maybe he does too. And maybe the man is struggling too? I don't know what exactly his income is, but there i sonly a handful of comic writers who are able to support themselves, and Achewood only has like one quarter of the traffic xkcd does.

I am confused as to why you are protesting to an update to the paid side when you yourself buy all the books. Aren't the books 90% free material? For someone who doesn't like to pay money for things you could get for free, you sure spend a lot of money for things you can get for free.
Perhaps he also feels bad for those who pay for the extra content because he feels like they don't get enough? Have you thought of that?

What I'm saying is don't swear at the man who is only trying to support a family, and provided you with over a thousand free strips.

[/rant]

While I agree, I still think he could have been a bit more honest with how he promoted the new strip, or even just gone ahead and posted both here. I mean, you don't pay per strip for the premium site and, like has been said, no one is going to turn down FREE content, especially if it was advertised.

But yeah, the man's got to eat.

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Achewood only has like one quarter of the traffic xkcd does.


It's a sick world.

Oh man check this out:
https://www.alexa.com/
Compare Achewood.com and xkcd.com and put it on maximum. Jeez, Randall's site took a dive.

Oh wow, I started comparing xkcd, Questionable Content, Achewood, and Scarygoround. If you look at it, viewership of both QC and xkcd take a strong dip in late summer/ fall:


People go back to school, and forget all about their formerly followed webcomicery? That's all I can imagine.

And in a few months, they'll be cybernating!

I thought of that myself. But I'm not proud.

Buuuut...while Scarygoround and Achewood have recently shown a drop in viewership, the viewing pattern is far less clearly seasonally defined:


What does it meeeeean? Statistics, what are you trying to tell us?

It should be noted that Alexa traffic comparisons only count hits by persons who have the Alexa toolbar and is therefore fairly worthless

It is basically a tool to see how many of your visitors have Bonzi Buddy installed

This might be useful in gauging the gullibility of your audience, come to think of it

chase v. wamu. look at the latter drop to near-achewood numbers.

Maybe it's because I'm an ancient 36 years old and remember paying $10 for 48 pages of Life In Hell (the comic Matt Groening wrote before The Simpsons), but where the hell do you get off telling him his comics should be free?

I like this comic. It's actually the avatar I use most on the internet, is a picture of Binky. However I only have one book. I should buy more of them.

I went ahead and bumped it past the magical 3-lame limit for you lil guy

I can only give it one lame, so I'll give you a chubby.

Yeah _x, you should probably close that account.

but but.. autrepoupee says you're all my friends and she asked me "you trust your friends don't you?" and i said "yea!" because ray told me that friends are people who don't do crimes to you and... HUUUUUGS!

now this is getting ridiculous. just what kind of person lames a hug?

(*hug*)

Sssshhh. Don't tell anyone.

Haha, I guess someoen found you guilty by association

Maybe Osama wouldn't be such a meanie if more people hugged him as a kid.
Just a thought.

i think i almost wouldn't mind if assetbar bought a jet with my credit card. actually, it would probably be the most exciting thing that has ever happened to me.

Don't fall into that trap. The collections department at Gulfstream will seem like such nice people the first time they call you. Six weeks later, when you wake up to find a severed landing gear on the pillow next to you, you'll realize they mean business.

Hello fine sir and please to be speaking with one Mr. Deeedella Ecks. Thanking you. Mr. X, we are great friends. I working with one Gulfstream. We are thanking you for fine purchase this evening. How are you? Our children about the same age, yes? How they are of growing up so fast and right before our eyes, Mr. X. You know of what I speak. Please, call any time for a conversation. Our doors perennially open to you, friend.

My perenium is most certainly closed.

Sounds like you got one of the earlier models. They've since fixed that problem though it does require a slight, albeit simple upgrade.

I have an image I could link to here, but it was judged disturbing even among the denizens of Warren Ellis' blog. I will not subject anyone else to it.

my interest has been piqued.

If an image of a lady who has - and this bit is unrelated by and large - had her clitoris and inner labia surgically removed having a gleaming metal meat hook (for lack of a better word) inserted into her vagina and out of her perineum (I, as well as others, had initially believed it to be coming out of the anus, but despite this causing a very nasty fistula it was later shown by those with the stomach to make a close inspection to not be the case) then I shall certainly go and try to track it down again and then post a link to it for you.

[url="https://news.bmezine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/crochet.jpg"]Heck, I'll post it anyway[/url]

I think I have bever been more grateful to a BBcode fuckery before. Thank you BBcode.

It's kind of the opposite of the goatse.cx redirect in retrospect. You get the disturbing image entirely explained, but the link, she is borked.

I was originally just going to link to it, but after searching a bit I decided that maybe I better not. I wasn't just trying to tempt you into asking for it, I really wanted someone to have to push for it and even then I didn't want to send anyone to their doom without having a fair warning of exactly what to expect.

i could have gone my entire life without seeing that... but i'm glad i didn't

What an incredibly stupid thing to do. What sort of person wants their genitals to be so mutilated beyond repair? Elizabeth Bathory did this shit to scullery maids for not drawing her bath properly, why would you voluntarily eliminate any possibility of sexual pleasure?

I mean christ, I don't even like nipple piercings. That, that goes beyond "alternative". Now you're just insane. What a dumb, dumb, dumb thing to do. Dumb. It's like she wants to be a rubber doll.

i kind of wonder if it was her idea, or if she had to be convinced (and just try to imagine how that conversation went). incidentally, the most disturbing part of the whole photo, for me at least, is the wedding ring

Agh, yuck. She very much could've been 'convinced' by some Svengali type. I "get it", if the aim here was to deny her sexual pleasure because of some Total Power Exchange relationship, but--shit. Give it a little thought before you mangle yourself permanently, because how many TPE type relationships do you see going strong well into their old age?

Now, as for the wedding ring, my plan is to just have my partner cut off their ringfinger and give it to me; that way, I can be assured they'll never be another's. I mean, duh guy, fuck the ring!

Oddly on topic wedding band tattoos actually make a certain degree of sense to me.

At the same time I'm fundamentally anti-marriage (and vehemently against the gub'mint being involved in marriage) and I definitely don't view it as at all permanent. I've been told that my idea of "Well, if you don't like it you can always get divorced" means I just don't "get" marriage. I'd agree with that. As far as I'm concerned we've been together for eight years, we've been living together for five, some ceremony and a legal contract aren't going to make any real difference in any way that actually matters.

Maybe she just really sucked at drawing her master's bath?

While I would never, ever support someone doing that (although if they want to do something stupid to themselves it's their choice) I have to say it does look kind of nice. Very smooth and sleek. I think this is a case where disturbingly my aesthetic preferences for sleek, harsh, minimalist modern design (nothing extraneous, nothing that isn't a right angle or a flat plane, black or very dark stain exclusively) is interfering with my preferences regarding crotches.

Still, I don't think that ladies ought to have Bauhaus crotches.

I showed this to my roommate and his first response was "daaamn, that's a nice-looking pussy!"

I've heard that the removal of excess labia skin is a popular new surgical cosmetic procedure, but did she go beyond that? Also, do you know for a fact that her clitoris is removed or are you just inferring it from the photo? Is it possible that it's just hard to see?

We need more context for this.

She has had a lot of things removed, and while a lot of it was ancillary meat, I'm definitely not seeing the remnants of a clitoris anywhere. If it is there, well, then it must've been a cosmetic move on her part, and not some weird, ritualistic s&m thing. It's just a vacuous hole, like a sex doll. Sort of disturbing, but a reasonable enough facsimile of a human vagina that I can see how someone would want to put their genitals in it.

Pretty much though, anytime you can see inside of a person, it is terrifying. I don't want to look at your insides. You hear me, goatse! You hear me, crochet! I can visualize the pink viscera that is all up ins, I don't need to see it!

I don't see where it could hide. It's like she had a little strip with a pull-tab for opening like on a frozen pizza box or a FedEx envelope and someone just pulled it to open her up.

ewwww.

DO NOT WANT.

LOVE CLITS

LOVE THEM

PRESENT

Perhaps once too many?

Sorry, Here we go .

If that doesn't work you can also try this

There's also a Firefox plugin called Linkification that does the noble work of turning any unlinked URL into a clickable link. It largely circumvents BBcode abortions and turns them into a healthy and nourishing stew.

Just like Cream of Sumyun Gai.

I .. . I . .. .
I . .. .
can i have a hug

Suck it up, son. You're a man now.

Seriously people. I described it for you in advance. You knew what you were getting yourselves into. This was judged freaky by one of the main catalogers and creators of perversity on the Internet. This is a man who wrote a (great) novel with a scene where dudes are watching home edited Godzilla bukkake films while in some cases being pleasured with big reptilian-style gloves and even he thought it was wrong.

This is the Internet. If you can't find it here it probably doesn't exist... and since the Internet is filled with tons of things that don't exist it must like, super not exist or something.

(i didn't actually click on the link).

Trust me, you really should. At least, the first fixed link. Confront your fears. The only way out is through. Fear is the mind-killer. All of that. Seriously though, trust me on this one. You want to click that link.

It's not about fear, it's about disgust and perversion. Not want in brain. bad program

Since it's successfully far enough away from the links that I shouldn't taint everything when I went back and fixed the links I changed it slightly. See how the first link goes to a different place than the second which was the URL I initially posted? The first link is something very pleasant. It was a joke after giving such a horrible, yet accurate description. The second link is to the awfulness. Both to provide what was requested and perhaps maybe someone lets their guard down and thinks it's all a big joke and decides that since I lied about a link once maybe the whole thing was fake. It was not.

Me neither. Nver saw a slasher flick, either. My imagination is bad enough.

Read a few comments up. Hugs are for terrorists and will get you lames.

No, hugs will change mean old terrorists into kindly firefighters. Hugs make all the difference in the world.

as long as not from guys in turtlenecks.

Hugs change men.

Read the above comment to Pogo. The first link is basically a great big V-Hug.

PUPPIESSSS!!!!

I told you to trust me on that one. This is the proper way: describe in detail something horrible that you will not want to see and provide you with something adorable. If you were brave enough to click it anyway you are surprised and relieved. If you went in wanting perversion you will be sorely disappointed. It's also the unicorn chaser to having read that or if you went on and saw the image. Or if you just want a palate cleanser after reading and before viewing.

Also, it is not puppies. One is a kitten.

What has happened to that lady may not be so good. However, at least she looks different to all the other ladies in porn, that land of lipgloss and buggery, where they have all had their junk trimmed to look as neat as an M&S ham sandwich.


Not to mention you could figure it out if you were handy with the algorithms they generate credit cards numbers with. And the four digit prefix is generally uniform for each company.

I thought I would bust in on the "upper bits" with an important Achewood reminder.

https://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uua180pMV

Our every move is the new tradition.

Heh, what?

i don't see what you're talking about. perhaps it's a different strip?

Girls and Boys, that strip is the beginning of the Great Outdoor Fight arc. Read it all the way through again, or for the first time.

Warning: G.O.F. strips can make you emotional .

I'd like to say that the GOF arc is always relevant, but unfortunately I have to say that the GOF arc is not always relevant.

Ok, true.

But it is always awesome.

Bronze, dude.

You can't make bronze without tin.

WTF would all the third place finishers do without tin? Would they get copper ?

The gold medal goes to the US, the silver medal goes to China, and the copper medal goes to Swedem.

Fuck, the Olympics would become a laughingstock. Athletes would be trying to get fourth, to avoid getting a fucking copper medal.

The debrinzing process is a simple one step process:

Step one: remove the brinze.

I have looked at this for so long, and I simply do not get it . What the hell are you talking about?

Echo.

maybe theguitarhero meant "debronzing"? I really do not know. I'm not a science person.

Tom Goes To The Mayor, specifically the episode "Porcelain Birds".

It's a reference to a Tom Goes to the Mayor episode. And yes, it's about bronzing/debronzing; in the episode, there's two instructional film strips (one covering each process), and on both the narrator has an odd pronunciation of bronzing.

But, if you ask me, he says it more like "brunzing", and not "brinzing."

100%. I don't see what all this nonsense about Carbon is about.

100%. I don't see what all this nonsense about Carbon is about.

FATAL SYSTEM ERROR.

Since you are metallic, it is little wonder you do not grok carbon-based life.

Pogo replied to baryonyx on assetbar

That is an exciting new word.

Grok?

Or metallic?

No, that.

I think he means grok. It is from a sci-fi book I didn't finish (it was still good).

Not to knock sci-fi, but Stranger in a Strange Land is so much more than just a sci-fi book.

There were so many good books that I just didn't finish.

I agree. It was a very good book. I have to go back to it someday.

I am intimately familiar with grok . I grok the fullness.

I just wanted to know what he considered to be an exciting new word.

I still have my fingers crossed for "metallic."

Maybe he is suggesting that because pogo was born before the 1960s, "grok" is still an exciting new concept to him.

That would be unfair. Those of us with seniority were Heinlein fans in the day, you know. We were the first to grok. Grok we still.

More in the sense that TV is a new invention to people born before it was. I know DVDs still excite me and they're over a decade old.

Nah, he just never heard it before, I'll bet.
Interesting how many other got the reference. Man I loved that book, I wanted to be Michael Valentine.

Or Valentine Michael Smith, even.

Him too.

Fillings.

Sir I have spent many a cloudy afternoon commited to fairytale battles, blackening my small fingers with a battalion or two of tin soldiers.

My fondest of memories.

Where's Silicone? I see a lot of Silicone body parts on the videos I find of you people over there..

On that note i'd like to point out that tin has never actually been used to make 'tin' foil only aluminum.

I'd like to point out that alumin i um has four syllables.

I think if I got a tattoo it would just say "Physics=Cool Stuff"
I'm a bit too much of a nerd to think of good tattoos.

Or possibly just a tattoo of my own face, locked in a horrible scream for all eternity. When people ask about it, I will quickly change the subject, and mutter something under my breath about damn rebellious host bodies.
I think it would be a good ice-breaker at parties.

Or "What We Need More Of Is Science"?

It is a true fact.

Mine would be all Quadratic Formula:



And then people would ask me, "Why the fuck do you have some math shit on your arm?"

And I would bust out with:

If you've got an equation where x is squared,
And you need to find the answer, need to be prepared,
Gonna show you a way that's automatic,
You just use the formula that's called the Quadratic.

Now the first thing you do you wanna be a solvin' hero,
Is you take the whole equation, set it equal to ze-ro,
And then you take your terms, get 'em set up tight,
With x squared on the left, and the constant on the right,
And then you take your numbers, there's gonna be three,
And you call 'em the a, the b, and the c.
And it's minus b, plus or minus the,
Square root of b squared minus 4 a c.
And then you take your fraction bar, you take it all the way,
And underneath, you put 2 a*.

And then they would be all, "Word."

Or maybe, "Number."

* (c) 2005

All your rhymes got me imaginin' is your "young," "hip," sophmore year trig teacher bringing his iHome to school and putting a cap on backwards as he exuberantly attempts to "connect" with his students by making an Ass of himself.

Capital A in Ass, MFers.

When you dive headfirst so hard into a cliche, you become a Proper Noun.

"Ass" is a cliche I could definitely dive headfirst into!

*ha cha cha*

As long as it's not your own!

*right back at cha*

too late for biff

We had one of them! He was quite popular among the young ladies.

Ah, memories of Multiplication Rap. The 9 times table was particularly funktastic.

Also, the .38 times table, and the .45 times table are quite 'dope'.

Mine would be all descriptions of common grammar errors, like the difference between your and you're, its and it's, and that one should never use quotes to make something stand out like it was bold or something (like on a poster: Movie Night Saturday, there will be "Pizza")

And people would ask me about it, and I'd be all:
I rock my font twelve point sans serif,
I ain't the English dep-u-tee, I'm the Sheriff.

I might just get a semi-colon somewhere on my person.

You should get a colon. You know, in case your original goes bad, then you have a spare.

Prose before hos, my friend. Prose before hos.

....as in, "owned"?

Your mneumonic quadratic formula song is so much more rockin' than mine.

The Quadratic Formula
Sung to the tune of Pop Goes the Weasel
X equals negative b
Plus or minus the square root
of b squared
minus 4 a c
all over 2a!

This is the song that got me a Bachelor's and a math job. I will not hear any ill words spoken near it

were they all clapping their hands to the rhythm while you were singing it and after you were done the grown ups in the room came over and gave you a sucker and said "that was just swell hedonismbot! well of course you can work for us little guy!"

I also had to show them this thing I do where I make my wangle into an integral sign.

my college sells these t-shirts that say:

%u03A3 %u222Bex= f(un) %u2234 yo
u%u2192xc

the joke was: as you approach ecstacy, sex is fun, therefore, why not?

i did not purchase this for $10.

*sigh*

Assetbar ate your clever t-shirt post.

I am sure it would have been hilarious.

hella mangled, just as i suspected

if you care, the symbols read as u approaches c, the sum of integral e to the x equals f of u sub n, therefore y sub zero.

dang that felt so terrible to type. this is joke told only by gross fellows.

ASSETBARRISTA: APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD.

INDEED

And you said you weren't a 4channer.

Please stop breaking hte first two rules.

Rules are for people who fall under the rule's jurisdiction. I'm a freeman of the Internet.

A comment left by sje46 was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by Gabalfa, nice-on-water, Telescreen, Gumfish, tripleG)

BOO TO THAT

COMIC SANS??

also, owls are terrifying. well, not really. but their faces are odd. take barn owls for instance, their completely white faces? (or T. a. pratincola on the wiki page for them ) IT IS LIKE LOOKING AT DEATH.

AT DEATH.

Dammit I meant to hit reply, not chubby. Anyway, my mother thinks owls are the cutest things ever.

i don't understand how that could be considered cute.

well, i guess it would be the same way a toddler's body whose head has been exploded bounces off the ground is cute.

It... it has big eyes? I dunno!

The traditional one:

maha.

That's funny, I'm a fremen of the internet. I control the spice!

What you mean is, you drink your own urine.

Lets take his water.

But then I wouldn't be nice. You wouldn't like me when I'm not nice.

I need your spice, I float in a weird glass box and resemble Sahagin. Lets take a jaunt through the nether of space!

Mine was to happy birthday;

The opposite of b plus or minus
the square root b squared
minus fo-o-our a c
alllll divided by 2a

NEEERDS! GET EM OGRE.

I know this Pi shit backwards and forwards, y'all

Good effort, dude.

Good effort.

Good effort, dude.

Good effort.

Poor Steve just wanted some pie.

I think the joke is that Steve likes to eat.

r u shor

r u shor

I...I guess not...

perfect.

YouTube has this message about your link:

The URL contained a malformed video ID.

Malformed.

Is that the malformed ID of a video?

Or the ID of a malformed video?

Or is it the malformed life of the pathetic YouTube user?

it is the pathetic life of the malformed YouTube user.

YIKES.

Fuck Algebra.

My fuck algebra be hella tight. Ladies might not know what my value is initially, but they love trying it out on either side of the equation while they're working it out.

lim f(x)=L
x->fine

Where L equals the ladies

Calculus ladies got some damn nice curves on them.


with Little Nephew!

(speaking of him...it's about time we figure out where that player got at. also the robots.)

Wales is, surprisingly, the answer to both.

Overall it's a scary place where they decided that 'y' was doing such a great job at being a part-time vowel that they promoted it to full-time and, due in part to his recommendation, brought on 'w' as well.

Granted, I don't speak Welsh, but this is my approximation of that glorious language:
Ygwyglnmn gwyyyolgnmonmn Gwnlyndon

Don't speak Welsh. It's silly to speak Welsh.

I don't speak Welsh, either, but I can pretty well imitate a sheep being raped, which is the same to a casual ear

No. That is merely a common pastime in Wales. I suspect that the sheep and the Welsh simply rubbed off on each other.

Oddly Super Furry Animals' album Mwng is pretty damn good.

Other fantastic Welsh musicians/bands of note: Gorky's Zygotic Mynci and John Cale. This is all that I know about Wales.

Chubby for not mentioning Tom Jones.

Anti-chubby for not mentioning Catherine Zeta-Jones. Deferred on the grounds that she is not a musician.

Interestingly her current Wikipedia picture makes her look like a lady who works at the library, but not the cute young one.

According to this evidence everyone in Wales is named "Jones".

Whoa man I was just talking to someone about how Catherine Zeta-Jones seems to be prematurely making that switch from young and edgy-hot to old and milf-librarian-hot. And now it is on the internet! Has the internet been hiding in my room?*

*Yes.

I don't think she's making that particular transition yet. I was just trying to think of the proper occupation to put "this kinda average-looking girl that I might see occasionally" in without just it being some girl you pass in the street without paying any attention to. There was a girl I saw on the BART platform the other day rocking an awesome coat that I remember more than I would have ever remembered her as she looks in that picture.

There's also degrees. There's the professional-looking late-twenties/early-thirties kind of hot librarian look, but I was specifically thinking that she doesn't compare to the cute early-20s maybe still in college art school/lit major alt. kinda girl. Halfway through writing it initially I was reminded of a friend of mine who majored in art or literature or both and who worked at the library one summer and was pretty cute. Nothing ever happened there or probably ever would have, but somehow I remembered her of all people.

Back in '00 we were both home from our respective colleges and went out to see a movie together. I had been at a party that I hadn't known was even happening before heading over when a girl I'd been interested in before college and had more or less forgotten about showed up. After the movie I came back to the party and as a result we started dating. We're still together.

Aren't, or in Richard Burton's case, weren't he and Anthony Hopkins from the same small Welsh village?

Yes.

Only about half are Joneses. The other half are Smiths.

There's Lostprophets, Bullet for My Valentine, and Funeral for a Friend, though none of those can really be described as fantastic.

This probably sounds unreasonable but the first time I listened to Lostprophets I realized that I didn't really like Linkin Park.

I didn't even need to listen to Linkin Park to realize how terrible they are. The name told me everything I would ever possibly need to know about them. So far this reasoning has been proven entirely correct.

Yea, but you weren't in high school when they first appeared. I never loved them or anything, but when I first heard them I thought "hey this sounds kind of good" and it took me a few months to realize it wasn't.

This is what I don't get about all the hipsters who only like "respectable" music like pre-1980 punk, Bob Dylan, free jazz, and whatever avant-noise or folk thing Pitchfork is pushing. Did you not have an adolescence like the rest of us? Who taught you to have "good taste"?

So you liked something until you realized that you didn't like it.

(Don't worry, I'm not a Linkin Park fan, fellas.)

They ignore that part of their lives, the part where they obsessed over "The Wall" for 8 months or even earlier when they themselves listened to Eminem when he was Slim Shady (I'm not guilty of either charges).

There is nothing wrong with obsessing over "The Wall" in your youth. That is fine, fine classic rock. Anyone who says the Floyd sucks is a damn child and will never know love.

Oh I'm sorry but BALLS man. Talk about pretentious. I can't stand 99% of that album. It's based on like 4 singles and the rest is shitty filler. Honestly. And its most diehard defenders are 14 year old stoners. I enjoy Dark Side every once in a while but The Wall makes me gag.

I did enjoy Dark Side of the Moon more than The Wall.. but Dark Side hit me at a very impressionable age. Both are awesome albums. Anyone who didn't have a Pink Floyd musical period is not a full person, methinks.

Atom Heart Mother is the Pink Floyd album. Sorry, but now you know.

* the * gahhh!

I did discover Atom Heart Mother at a crucial time ... what time ... pass the joint, man.

I could have done without the esoteric babbling in "Arnold's Psychedelic Breakfast", but otherwise I can listen to the title track repeatedly.

I've always preferred Wish You Were Here, and not just because of the burning man on the cover (most reproduced Floyd poster? maybe)

Wish you Were Here is definitely my favorite Floyd song.. but not my favorite album as a whole.

The best Pink Floyd album is Obscured by Clouds . Piper at the Gates of Dawn is a close second.

Word.

Have you ever seen The Vally ? I gotta see that one of these days.

Christ on Toast!!

The Valley , of course.

I have not.

I think everybody here knows that The Final Cut is the finest of all Floyd.
Seriously, though, I'd like to put in a good word for More .

I'm partial to the whole Dark Side of the Rainbow experience. Better the second time than the first.

Hmm, not really that familiar with those, although I know I've heard them. Dark Side is my current favorite, especially after I got the Jamaican cover version by the Easy Star All-Stars, Dub Side of the Moon .

That sounds raw...Do want.
On the subject of Jamaica, I suggest everyone see the Jamaican film Countryman

I, too, very much appreciate Obscured by Clouds . Meddle is another good one in a similar vein. But I have to say, I'm pretty damn fond of Animals and might have to call it my favorite of the Floyds. At least right now.

Dogs is a fucking awesome song. My favorite off the album by milesnmiles.

You've got to strike when the moment is right without thinking.

You are wrong. Your opinion is wrong.

Rather be wrong than listen to that shit.

Look, I am not saying you have to like it. I am not saying you are wrong for not liking it. But to say that The Wall is nothing other than "4 singles and the rest is shitty filler" just shows that you didn't understand what it was about.

It tells a story . All of it. Every song.

I am sure most movies could be reduce to four five-minute-long action scenes. But the "shitty filler" adds depth and breadth to the story told by those four scenes.

Again, not saying you have to like it. But if you were to look at the whole album as a story, maybe you would form a different opinion.

I know it's a story, I just think the music and lyrics of the rest of the album were not quality. I get the whole "OHH I BUILT A WALL AROUND MYSELF" thing, don't insult me. Everyone understands that aspect, I hope. But I don't like it because I don't think most of the songs are good. So that makes it an opinion.

I thought that Dark Side is more pretentious than Wall, but I should listen to both of them again to make sure.

I know lots of people that say the same thing, but I don't get how things like money, love, the rat race, etc. (themes in DSoTM) don't appeal to more people than "I'm so famous and paranoid, I'll isolate myself from everyone." I don't get it.

OK, OK, we get it.

You completely miss the point of The Wall .

But, by all means, go on and on and on about it some more.

It's not like your Pink Floyd cred could suffer any further.

Or you music cred in general.

Thank you for being a cock to a stranger. I hope your Pink Floyd cred continues to blossom and grow so much that you can judge even more people and perhaps be a cock to masses of strangers.

Hey, it took no judgment to hear you say out of your own mouth that you fail utterly to understand The Wall .

And oh yeah, you weren't being a cock to a stranger by saying the parts of The Wall that you aren't capable of understanding are "shitty filler." Not stated as opinion, but stated as incontrovertible fact.

Yup, you are completely innocent on that score.

Finally, oh no, you lamed me. Ow ow ow! Someone who likes to call things he doesn't understand shitty thinks I am lame. Wow, does that burn or what.

I think Tingly didn't get enough hugs growing up.

got

Didn't got?

I'm with Tingly on this one. I mean, who lames people in this civilised day and age?

*glares at the Goodwill Girl*

Don't you glare at my girlfriend!!!
I mean
girl who happens to be my friend.

PINK FLOYD SUCKS AND ALL OF YOU SUCK AND ALSO YOU ARE GAY

*cries*

damnit, I could have sworn I wasn't gay

this is terrible

I wouldn't say it's terrible.

It was probably going to that big protest against Prop 8 (the amendment banning same-sex marriage in California that recently passed by a narrow margin) last night. I should have known that standing up for gay rights would be enough to make me gay as well.

I hope my girlfriend is OK with it. I mean, I can't afford my own place.

It's okay, let me hug you. That will make it all better. Just a little closer...

YES SOMETIMES WE DO THINGS OK AND OTHER TIMES WE DO THINGS NOT SO OK BASED ON OTHER ASPECTS OF LIFE BUT IN THE END YOU CAN'T JUDGE YOURSELF REALLY ISN'T THAT THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS I SURE HOPE SO OTHERWISE I'M APPROACHING LIFE WAY THE WRONG WAY

Why are you shouting, Nice? I'm sure you're handling life just fine.

I am, I was drunk and got philosophical. Sorry.

Were you doing philosophy?

I was doing philosophy .

In other words, you were drinking.

In other, much more concise and accurate words, yes.

Well, I mean, we know you were drinking as you said so, but I feel we need to further establish that "doing philosophy" means "drinking". This was true for all great philosophers as well.

Immanuel Kant was a regular piss ant who could drink you under the table...

Sorry:
"...who was very rarely stable."*

Twice wrong: "Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pissant

"In the United States, the word pissant can refer to any small ant that infests a home.

Also in the United States, pissant is an epithet for an inconsequential, irrelevant, or worthless person, especially one who is irritating or contemptible out of proportion to his or her significance."

This is quite possibly the single most accurate description of Kant that I have ever heard.

I was close. And I wouldn't call Kant a pissant; he had some interesting stuff to say that in just ONE SEMESTER AND A SUMMER I forgot.

I would say that he was "an inconsequential, irrelevant, or worthless person, especially one who is irritating or contemptible out of proportion to his or her significance".

That is entirely correct.

I have made the maxim of my actions that Kant is both a complete idiot and a total douche. I certainly hope that this is adopted as a universal law.

Moral absolutists can blow me in a box. Especially ones who advocate a form of absolutism as rigid and clearly, demonstrably broken as Kant.

Yeah . .. consequentialism and deontology both have their flaws, and no one agrees with them. That is why I'm an emotivist.

You're a huggist-grafitti-ist.

Kant= lamed; duly noted. Anyone want to take a bitchslap at Wittgenstein while we're on it?
Bueller?

Bueller's philosophy on living life to the fullest because "it goes by too fast" is much too hedonistic and libertine and will have a negative effect on the moral of our society. We must constantly strive for the future, not the present, because the future is where we are going to spend the rest of our lives.

(Look at me! I'm philosophizing !)

I don't believe in any -ism's.

Just me and Yoko.

I believe in TISM

BOO to that.

I like the movie.

I intend to spend the rest of my life in a vat.

It makes you feel really cool and contrarian to say things like that, doesn't it? I look forward to reading your peer-reviewed, cited, and well-researched paper on how Kan't system is "demonstrably broken".

I think I fucked your mother?

Well, the classical rebuttal to the categorical imperative is that you would not be allowed to lie in order to shelter a person from someone who intends to murder them. The conventional view is that such an action is acceptable as though it violates the general principal against lying it is done with both good intentions and with the focus being to save someone's life which is generally agreed to be a higher moral necessity that outweighs the lie. Kant, however, would have us believe that lying at all, even in justified circumstances such as that, is not acceptable because of his rigid, absolutist standard.

I may not be in the field myself, but I'm certain that either of us could find plenty of valid citations that would make the same point.

Further I'll state that philosophy, more than almost any other field, is one for everyone. Though it may not be my field of study I'm still using it and my opinions on moral issues are valid as I will continue to make moral decisions.

You don't need to lie to mislead someone.

Especially if you're a jerk about plurals, you can deny pretty much anything without actually lying.

I'm confused about that. I was discussing this same thing with a very intelligent philosopher dude, and he said that it would be okay to lie in that instance, while still following the Categorical Imperative. The murder of the woman would be a consequence, sure, but a logical consequence, not the other type. I'm paraphrasing badly here. I still don't understand. That is still a consequence . . . .why should you be held responsible for another person's actions? I like how it indicates that you won't do anything wrong if you don't want to . . .right? Because the way I see it is that when a murderer comes to your door, you are faced with a moral dilemma. Either lie (a bad thing) or allow a woman to die (another bad thing). But doesn't the CI indicate that since you aren't going to kill the woman yourself, that you shouldn't be blamed for it? Only that one person did. You are a good person; you don't have to be in a moral dilemma; you don't deserve it.

But anyway, I understand that person's argument, about it being a different kind of consequence, one in which a Kantian should care about.

Ultimately I reject absolute morality and when you have to find a complex reason to justify exceptions you have to start admitting that hard moral rules do not fit all circumstances and tend to create more problems. It is just not a good system.

Inevitably every absolute moral system will find itself broken. For instance look at how readily in the Christian system people are willing to kill one another or claim that god wants them to kill others despite a rather strict and obvious prohibition on killing. Absolute moralities do not get the luxury of being interpreted. Interpreting does away with the entire concept of having an absolute prohibition.

While I may disagree with Kant and his ideas at least he had the balls to stick with it even when he was obviously wrong and causing far more harm than good.

I do agree however . . .I think morality is something that was invented, and we create them ourselves. It's all due to opinion. I personally believe in a more emotivistic theory, which is basically just saying that all moral statements are just expressions of what you like and don't like, but I'm not sure about that either.

I do think that Kant's theory is at least interesting.

Well, it's basically just "do unto others..." gussied up and turned into a highly rigid and extremist form.

But to say that you reject absolute morality is just a cop-out, and possibly also self-contradictory. Look at it this way: when you cite counter-examples to poke holes in an absolute system, like you do with Kant and the murderer example, you are appealing to the idea that clearly such-and-such an action is immoral in the given circumstance. But where does that feeling of "clearly" come from if not from some pre-existing 'rules' (or if that's too rigid for you, replace it with something like 'moral compass')? This is the reason that most ethical theories except for Divine Law attempt to be descriptive rather than prescriptive - they try to uncover that deeper orientation that causes us to agree upon the obvious cases. To the extent that you can provide an obvious counterexample, that just means it's an incorrect, incomplete, or insufficiently complex interpretation.

Kant actually had two different formulations of the Categorical Imperative, though I forget which was the later one. I think the one you take issue with is "treat others as ends, not as means". But the other, and in my opinion infinitely stronger one was (I am paraphrasing from memory here) "Act only in such a way so that you could rationally wish for the motivation behind your action to be a universal maxim". In this case, the murderer dilemma poses no problem, since it would not be rational to desire a world where everyone betrays people to murderers, as it could result in you being similarly betrayed. But even with the first formulation, you could say that not lying would be equally wrong, since you are then treating the refugee as a means. So the dilemma is that you are in a situation where you have no choice but to treat one person or the other as a means. Of course, Kant's theory doesn't provide for a way of resolving that because, like sje said, it's focused on ideal personal morality rather than proper responses to other people's immoral actions. So that's where Utilitarianism comes in. Kantian Utilitarianism is a pretty good theory.

Unless you decide that your universal maxims are something along the lines of "Don't lie" and "Prevent murders" and "Whenever a Dude is about to kill another Dude, lying is okay to prevent it."

...Jumped the gun on that one. I guess that is basically Kantian Utilitarianism.

The second formulation (I want to say there were three for some reason) is the one I typically think of. The problem is that, based on my understanding, it's not an issue of consequences, but an issue of actions. In this case "betray people to murderers" isn't part of the equation. You have to break it down to the discrete action alone. This means "lying" consequences don't get to figure into it in any possible way nor does the context.

Ultimately I see your point, but I shall choose to disagree with it.

But anyway, I don't* understand . .. .
I always leave out that word.

Oh, I agree that philosophy is a field for everyone and I would like to see more people discuss it. And I think you make a good argument, though like you said, it's the classical one, and there are numerous ways of getting around it. My issue was more with the general tone of your post, which was reductive and dismissive and had more than a whiff of "look at me, I'm shattering false idols!" To say that Kant's philosophy has been once and for all debunked is just factually incorrect, since within the relevant field there are still papers being published constantly. And to say that he is not as significant as people think is to forget that he gave birth to phenomenology and thus Continental philosophy as a whole.

I didn't intend to come off as that juvenile, but I can see how it would come across that way.

I'll also say that regardless of other aspects I really disliked reading Critique of Practical Reason. I can't entirely explain why, but it just really didn't do it for me. I found myself really disliking him on a personal level as well as an intellectual one. I guess the closest way I can think to explain it (as far as I remember it) would be reading Pat's philosophical works. He was just completely a dick even when he wasn't explicitly trying to be.

Needless to say I also had very strong disagreements with Kant over theological matters as well.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not Kant's biggest fan either. I also used to have outbursts about how much I hated Plato, but when I went back and re-read him a few years later, I was extremely ashamed of what an ass I must have made of myself in freshman philosophy class. So over the years I've come to generally approach any work by giving it as much benefit of the doubt as possible in order to understand it in its own context and get the most out of it. Maybe it's just low self-esteem on my part, like "this guy is probably smarter than me, and this idea seems right to him somehow, so I should try to understand why."

Who is a philosopher you think doesn't suck then?

luce irigaray

she doesn't suck... COCK. she bites it.

YOUR MOM LOVES RAISINS

DASEIN IS DILDOES

YOU TALK IN CAPS ALMOST MORE THAN ME.

Whoa. Ia that an actual type of ant? Or is Wikipedia lying to me again?

Piss ant = drunk(?)

Have you never seen Corky Romano? I mean, it is probably better that you haven't.

I have and I regretted it.

HEY YOU GUYS WANNA BUY SOME COOKIES LOL

Yes, it has diplomatic recognition in Oklahoma, at least, as its own species. Or genus, I never can remember. They're the itty-bitty picnic ants that sometimes pass as sprinkles or poppy-seeds on rolls.

I can, of course, sing that from memory. Still, one of the geekiest moments of my life may have been when I was in the middle of playing Rifts with some friends in college when someone made an off-hand remark that led to an impromptu singing of "Kiss Me, Son of God" by myself and about three other players.

We also happened to all run into each other at a Weird Al concert on campus later that semester.

These are the sorts of things that let you know exactly where you stand. Especially when you're wearing a Unix t-shirt at the time.

Wise words, indeed, and not only that.

For the philosophy of an 1859 Napoleon Brandy must be bold, yet incisive and lingering with dark mystery....as opposed to the sweeping generality of Brown Derby Special Pissbrew.

Holy shit, calm down please? I don't like The Wall; you can like it if you want. Me not liking does not make it a fact that it is bad; happy? Good. DONE. Shit.

i'll take up the filler argument, too: it's a lot of minor detailing, but all the leitmotifing does reward the close listen. i was mos def that kid who was obsessed with it for a long time, but i learned how to be a much closer observer of the music. and now i can't listen to the album because of overkill

When The Wall movie came out, I was something of a wretched mess, drinking myself into blackout about once a week and livening up the daily pot smoking with pretty much anything else that came my way. At the time I had an intense relationship with something called MDA - first generation Ecstasy (MDMA), if you want to think of it that way, but way harsher on the body and much more hallucinogenic at larger doses. After a longish binge exploring the lower depths of the Lower East Side and wallowing in several flavors of self-pity, I took myself to Times Square to see the movie. Parts of it were perfect for the state I was in.

Several months later I had dried out and cleaned up, relatively speaking, and have never really felt the same about the album or the film (which was actually pretty awful). I still really like the one track Comfortably Numb . That state of being is something that still has serious attraction.

The Wall movie ain't so good.

that scene where pink goes nuts, trashes his hotel room, shaves off all his body hair, and then makes a crazed sculpture out of the remnants... yeah, that's fuckin awesome

I believe Sid Barrett did the same thing, or something. Or at least he shaved himself.

I prefer Skip Spence and the ensuing madness/solo album.

CHEAP PLUG: Oar is the best crazy-man album ever, closely beating out every cassette Daniel Johnston turned out.

I like Daniel Johnston. Check out this, erm, Youtube video I found:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikGryYgKBg

Speaking of crazy musicians, how do you guys feel about Wesley Wallace?

Because I don't want to say I'm glad he's no longer alive, but I am glad he is no longer making music.

Is he the one that wrote about Birdman kicking his ass? I'm all for the novelty but I don't honestly like it.

pssst... Wesley Willis. I met him, and he head butted a friend of mine.

Yeah, he was known for doing that.
Did he speak crazy? Just how crazy, exactly, was he?

He wrote a song about that night called "Dale Meiners Yelled at Me". He wasn't crazy in an unusual way, he mostly acted drunk.

Yes.

And for that matter I don't know why Moby Grape (Skip Spence's band when he was only sorta insane) doesn't get their dues either.

They were pretty good but I actually like Oar better. There's such a haunting atmosphere about it because you know he's out of his mind, and his voice and the lone guitar, etc. Moby Grape was just a pretty good psychedelic band.

I think I like Oar better too, all in all. But the first Moby Grape album is more than just a pretty good psychedelic album. I submit as evidence exhibits A and B .

A is the victim of 1st degree malformed ID but "Omaha" (B) is pretty bitching. Time to break out the guitar.

It was "Naked if I want to." Assetbar will certainly not let me buy an amplifier on time.

(jealous)

First time I watched The Wall, I had this big plan to take shrooms and trip out to it.. and it's kinda... too harsh for shrooms, definitely. First Generation MDMA... probably a little better suited.

So...no tip for the waitperson that night?
"The entree tonight is succulent shrooms, Madam."

Fortunately I wasn't on anything except pot at the time. I was feeling like I'd been shoved back and forth through a keyhole for about a week, and something as hard ass as MDA would have likely had me hospitalized at that point. The trippy parts of the wall were strange enough without chemical enhancement.

I like The Wall a lot better than Dark Side of the Moon. I know most people do, probably, but the difference with me is much greater.

I know it's hard not to do, but just because you listen to what they used to call indie rock (and the divergent genres that are assumed to go with it) doesn't mean you're a hipster, just like listening to metal, hardcore, etc. doesn't necessarily mean you're a dumbfuck stoner townie. Every once in a while I hang out in hipster bars in my small city and can barely fucking stand it; alcohol helps.

I liked this music long before Pitchfork existed. I read Pitchfork, but that's mainly because it's a daily music site and I get bored at work. I'm highly suspect of the site as a whole, and, for the most part, that deserve all of the disdain they receive (though their reviews don't seem anywhere near as bad as they were 6-7 years ago), but that isn't to say I don't give a listen to a lot of the bands/albums they rate highly; I ultimately don't find a lot of them to be that interesting. But these guys are out there listening to new music everyday and writing about it everyday, I got to give them some credit for that. Full disclosure: I used to work with the wife of a current Pitchfork reviewer; she's great, but he wasn't much of a talker the few times I saw him; kind of fit the image of a Pitchfork prick reviewer, but his reviews ain't so bad.

Anyways, I had an adolescence, but shit, I was 100% SKATE BOARDER from the age of 10, so I was a stuck-up prick, musically, since small times. Not that I was a major musical enthusiast, I mostly listened to bands featured in skate videos. And Guns N Roses (Appetite and Lies, nothing else). But they weren't the kind of bands that other people in my school were listening to, so I'm pretty used to that fringe aspect of music, to an extent. Disclaimer: this is before skateboarding was on ESPN and Tony Hawk was a household name, before the Warped Tour and getting Vans at Rack Room Shoes. There were sizable groups of metalheads at all my schools growing up (both in the US and abroad), but only a handful of skaters/punk/college rockers in any given place.

But, you know, tastes change. Just because you liked something in your youth doesn't mean you might move past it, and it's not always because some influential website tells you what's good or bad.

This completely rambling and uninspired post was constructed while bored at work on a Friday.

oh man, linkin park brings back such great memories of processing inventory back at my high school job

wikipedia.

I didn't like that crap when I was in high school either though. Back then I was, well, listening to classic punk (pre-1980 would come dangerously close to excluding the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag among others... even if they formed in the late 70s), Ben Folds Five, lots of They Might Be Giants, The Who, etc. Nobody taught me to have good taste, I just never liked shitty music or had any adolescent angst and the terrible music that normally follows it.

If you want to find my moment of shame that would require going back to middle school when I was briefly into Aerosmith around the time that Get a Grip came out. I can't condone that, but at least that's the worst of it.

If you get your musical advice from Pitchfork, however, you do not have good taste in anything.

My worst musical time had to have been the 6 month hard on I had for AC/DC in 9th grade. Horrible.

Pink Floyd aren't really that good.

I don't think I ever started caring how "artistic" music was, I listen to Nickelback an Van Halen because I like how they sound. I've never really understood music snobs who won't listen to anything popular.

You...you LIKE Nickelback?

I don't know how I feel about that. I mean, I listen to "popular" music but not Nickelback...

You don't have to be a snob to realize that Nickelback is an utterly bland shitty band that couldn't write a catchy tune to save their Skoal, and the segments of the population they generally appeal to are terrible. Van Halen on the other hand is fine.

I'm not saying all or even most of their music isn't crap, I just like "Leader of Men".

Well, well, well - here's a big, long conversation about music and shame and hatred and beauty. You know I can't resist. So here's a little of the old "tl;dr" action for ya.

Quote:
Who taught you to have "good taste?"

Short answer: The Dead Milkmen.

A bit of elaboration: I didn't always have bulletproof taste in music (that's sort of a joke... sort of). In elementary school I thought Aerosmith, Guns N' Roses and Motley Crue would be my favorite bands forever. If two very important things hadn't happened at two different times not too much later in my life, I'm sure I would've grown up truly believing that Nickelback was just fine. In this depressing alternate reality, I imagine myself as the person who when asked what kind of music he liked, would reply in all seriousness, "Oh, I like everything."

The first extremely important happening was actually two things that occurred in rapid succession - within the space of about six months when I was about ten years old, I "borrowed" my mom's copy of Jetho Tull's Aqualung and "stole" my uncle's copy of Pink Floyd's The Wall. They taught me that an album was more than just a random collection of songs. Long story short, Aerosmith's Pump was never to be heard emitting from my room again.

The second and arguably most important musical revelation of my life came when I was about twelve or thirteen. It was a fluke. A cousin of mine was listening to The Dr. Demento Show, of all fucking things, and heard a song called "Punk Rock Girl." She thought it was really funny. I thought it was hilarious, too. Still do. But while she was laughing through the whole thing I was hearing something else, too. The sound of the guitar, the pace of it all - it was like nothing I'd ever heard. I just felt something click right away.

My cousin could actually drive, so she went to the mall and bought Beelzebubba. Within days she found that the rest of the album wasn't quite as zany, or whatever - she found that it wasn't a "comedy album," and decided she'd sell it. Before she could take it to the record shop, I offered to buy it. I brought it home. I didn't take it out of my tape player for a month. When I finally did, it was just so I could put in the tape I just bought, which was Big Lizard in My Backyard. Throughout the following year, my allowance was dedicated solely to the task of collecting everything they had released to that point. In the years that followed I was first in line at the record shop on the day of every new release. Thankfully, I lived in a little shit town at the time, so I was the line.

Anyway, that was the "change." I'm not saying I never liked any embarrassing bands after that. There were still Red Hot Chili Peppers and Descendants phases yet to come and go (though, I have since made my peace with both, and will still take Blood Sugar Sex Magik for the occasional spin, mainly due to my undying appreciation for the guitar work of Mr. John Frusciante). But never again would my eyes be blinded by ignorance when it came to what music was great and what was shit. The Dead Milkmen, above all, taught what to hate, and for that I will for ever be in their debt.

So, yeah - Dr. Demento taught me how to have good taste. I'll take that over Pitchfork any fucking day.

Y'all should be listening to the Shaggs.

I want a poll to find out how many people actually like the Shaggs and don't listen just for the novelty. I admit there are many things I listen to for the novelty--part of the reason I like Captain Beefheart now is because it annoyed my roommate last year and I played it constantly; I now appreciate a good portion of Mr. Beefheart's material. BUT "My Pal Foot Foot" is just not listening-music--for me, at least. The novelty of it is fun, but I don't LIKE it.

I'll let you poll me (don't let redphilip know - I think he thinks I'm part of his harem now), but you'll have to make a third catagory. I listen to The Shaggs out of novelty AND I like them. Dig?

Beefhart, on the other hand, is not a novelty act. However you feel about it, it is art.

Alright, I can definitely dig that. It's the way I came to like Beefheart and Zappa and a few others (Can, Dave Brubeck-- "Blue Rondo..." seemed like novelty to my 12 year old self--Howlin' Wolf, [that damn growl of his used to make me laugh], Talking Heads, etc)

'Moanin At Midnight" is a fantastic song. Also, much more understated and of a different music genera worth listing to is Fats Waller, in my book.

I'll give it a listen when my mind is more suited for critical analysis, etc.

Yes, but there are a crapload of others. I'll give Fats Waller a listen definitely.

Whoa. People actually know who the Shaggs are? Wow.
Well, they are better than the Beatles* and is they did Kurt Cobain's fifth favorite song ( Philosophy of the World ).
Foot-foot is terrible, but I think that the only reason why it's the most popular is that it's the worst. You're Something Special to Me is the only song of their's that I like. I find it incredibly cute, and I do like the sound.
Novelty act, however? Not purposely, of course, but yes.
Teh reason I know them, by the way, is that they grew up in the town right next to mine. Apparently they are the most famous band from New Hampshire.

*according to Frank Zappa.

God do any of people listen to normal people music?

Like whenever music comes up it's always like "Oh hey everyone ever listen to The Cat Fuckers?" and everyone is like "Oh yeah man their third album Always Rape At Midnight helped me through highschool."

I mean, I'm all for obscure acts and shit but I'm scared that if I bring up something like Cap'n Jazz or Jawbreaker you all are gonna yell at me and tell me to listen to Watermelon Sodomy if I want a real music experience and I'm just not ready for that.

I know exactly what you mean, actually. I never know what anyone is talking about when it comes to music. I know very few obscure musical acts. Basically all I know is what I have heard on the radio (i don't listen to the radio often). The only bands I listen to are teh Beatles, Led, Floyd, Nirvana.

I mean it. I'm a musicla newb.

You aren't a fan of Always Rape At Midnight?

Nah, too polished, too mass appeal.

Their earlier Beaten with a Bag of Oranges is far superior.

Man, guitarhero, this is how you learn about things! Don't you want to learn about things? I love learning about things! Even Showbread! See, even if you didn't like what you learned, you still know that much more about the musical world and about your own bad musical self! That's not to be passed on!

This is hilarious. V CHUB a dub dub

I listen to lots of Beethoven. Also Bach. And Rossini

La Gazza Ladra fucking rocks !

And no, I am not being ironic. I do actually listen to this on a regular basis.

Along with Talking Heads, The Doors, and David Bowie.

Most of the newer stuff you guys discuss is stuff I have never even heard of, much less heard. But that's OK. The Ode to Joy is the greatest piece of music ever written, as far as I am concerned. I will remain content with that.

Seriously, I do listen to Beethoven and some overtures from Rossini (Barber of Seville and William Tell). I'm done with the Doors for one lifetime, but TH and Bowie are as of now timeless. Great taste.

But Moonlight Sonata is better.

Okay, so you've listened to Beethoven's late piano sonatas? I can't remember the one specifically- maybe #32? It plods along, and you know how this guy could plod- and then- remember this is in 1816 or whatever, written for posterity- breaks into (what I believe is) the first boogie-woogie, stride piano riff written. You'll know it when you hear it.

I'll give it a listen. I don't pretend to be a Beethoven connoisseur; I basically know the classics ("Fur Elise," "Pathetique," "Moonlight," 5th 7th and 9th symphonies) but not much more. Hearing Ludwig plink out a "Whole Lotta Shaking Going On" would make me smile oh so wide.

Alright, I just listened to Op. 32 and the end of the second movement is ridiculous. Thank you for the suggestion. It's like a good 80 years ahead of its time. Holy cripes.

Isn't that nuts? It's like that old SNL John Belushi skit where Beethovn noodles around going nowhere, and then breaks into Ray Charles. Wonder if they (SNL)knew that sonata. They must have.

I think that was because Ray Charles was the musical guest that night, but I like the idea. SNL writers are usually hell of educated.

Yes! Yes to late Beethoven! Love the late sonatas! My fave is op. 109. Slow variations movement =mind-blowing. Check out the late quartets too, esp. op. 130 .


Beautiful. Thanks for adding to my tiny Beethoven library.

Also consider Ludwig's string quartets, which come in Early, Middle, and Late collections. They are filled with invention, panache, and wit.

I like most of his work but his piano sonatas especially hit me.

Ditto again. Years ago I studied 'cello, and seemed to live within them (and the Bartok quartets as well). I'd spend weekends listening to them all, in order, reading along in the pocket scores from Boosey & Hawkes. In spite of the crappy hi-fi stereo I had at the time, the experience was transforming.

Ditto the string quartets. At least a dozen kinds of awesome.


Wow... with his eyes looking up like that it's like he's doing the Kubrick stare. I can't help but think that makes him look more than a little like Alex in A Clockwork Orange which, well, that's a hell of an interesting similarity.

I never noticed it either, and now Kubrick and Ludwig are perhaps discussing it.
Ludwig: "Very clever, Stanley. Now look wot ye've gone and done! This is a foin mess!"

He was, however, a hero of Alex's. This we knew, yes?

Indeed. It makes me perhaps wonder whether this was a conscious decision on Kubrick's part. I could definitely see him doing that sort of thing. It doesn't seem like he'd leave anything up to chance.

Droog, I wrote you a real horrowshow Joy Ode here to rape children to.

About a kid who goes deaf, dumb, and blind from the experience, and then goes on to become a pinball genius?
Nahh. It'll never fly.

Ever since he was a young boy, he played the Silver Ball.

From Soho down to Brighton, he must'a played them all.

Some balls are held for charity
And some are fancy dress
but the balls that are held for pleasure
are the balls that I like best


So I know its not Tommy or even the Who but I couldn't resist, now if someone would like to take the chorus...

I'VE GOT BIG BOOBS,
Yes I've got big Boobs!

Um..ah...la la la de da da da
Sure plays a MEAN PIN- BALL!

HOW DO YA THINK HE DOES IT I DON'T KNOW WHAT MAKES HIM SO GOOOOD?

Pinball was really a minor part of it that was added later on. I prefer how it deals with the inevitable hubris of spiritual gurus that leads to their downfall even when they're essentially trying to do good.

I think the ones who intentionally try to mislead people for personal benefit are the ones who actually succeed and go on to produce vast empires of wealth and influence: see John Smith, L. Ron Hubbard, Oprah.

In the future I believe that the only religions left will be Scientology and Oprahism.
I have to wonder though. I read Battlefield Earth in seventh grade, and I loved it; it's one of my favorite books (currently number 3). But someone told me recently that there are scientological(word?) ideas in there. Is this true?

Yeah. It was written after he developed Scientology, but apparently it is not focused on it. I haven't read it myself, but from what I can tell on Wikipedia it apparently has a good deal of his anti-psychiatry babble in it and not a hell of a lot else about Scientology.

More distressing was learning that apparently Neil Gaiman's father is a significant British Scientologist.

Oh. Forgot to check Wikipedia.
I don't even remember those parts of the book (except the throwaway line about the "long ago cult of psychology".) I really liked that book though, and was surprsied to read the criticisms . ..of course I was 13 at the time, and it was one of my first "adult" books, and maybe I didn't have good taste then.
Mitt Romney likes it, though.

You're in good company.

Also, did you see the movie?

Yeah, a while ago, haha. I was actually bored by it. Apparently it has heavy use of the Batman angle.

I tried to read it, maybe when I was in the 7th grade also. I thought Hubbard wrote dreck, and didn't read it.
This was way before we knew that Hubbard not only wrote dreck, he channelled it.

Well it was the big hit that the studio needed. But yes, the whole idea of messiahmania (shit did I just create that word, I hope so) and even the idea of shutting off the senses to achieve a higher state blah blah blah is interesting as hell. I like that story better than Quadrophenia, but not more than A Quick One.

A Quick One While He's Away is definitely the best story. Although it seems to hinge on the idea that your girlfriend's friends will set her up with skeezy dudes named Ivor for whom she will totally give it up with little thought or hesitation. The live version on Live at Leeds was excellent primarily because of the additional dialogue before it.

Actually, both Tommy and Quick One hinge heavily on coming home and finding your lover being rammed by someone else. Perhaps this was a significant concern for Townshend?


The whole idea on shutting off the senses was because Townshend fell into that bullshit spiritual nonsense.

Well I don't know about any coming home to having his wife being railed, but I know he was sexually abused as a child...maybe that has something to do with it?

And the "Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus" version is believe it or not better than Leeds. Give it a 'Tubeing.

I'm not saying his wife was ever actually found in porke delecto with someone else, just that maybe he was really worried about that happening or felt that people in general considered this to be one of the main fears.

If nothing else it at least means that he wasn't too big on developing new ideas.

The clothes in that version are amazing. Across the board. From Moon's amazingly sequined outfit to Entwistle's low-key night at the BDSM club get-up. For once I can say I'm glad I saw something to do with R&R Circus.

It is truly the best part of that show and I totally subscribe to the idea that the Stones saw the Who as upstaging them and canceling it. They rocked in so many ways, not least of all when Keith threw his drum and hit the cymbal perfectly . And there were some other pretty good performances: Taj Mahal, Jethro Tull, the Dirty Mac (not Yoko's screeching of course) and "Sympathy for the Devil" specifically by the Stones was good. But the Who owned the stage.

For sheer out-and-out rocking it's hard to find a band that the Who don't upstage. They rocked about as hard as possible without becoming caricatures.

And those that do still suck, like KISS.

GOD I hate KISS.

Well, maybe he wanted to shut off his senses when he saw his wife being boned.

I feel the same way so I try to keep my opinions to myself, then I say something about The Wall and someone manages to shit on me with their Superior Tastes.

Fun fact: never heard of either. You win the Obscure Music Contest.

Yeah I think you basically have to be a certain age to enjoy old-school emo and punk: either too young to have found out about them when they were still bands or old enough to have seen them live and can say that the current state of both genres the bands formed (well, Jawbreaker didn't start anything per se, it was just the first band I could think of) is in disarray.

Foof, sorry but I can't even get on board with "You're Something Special"; I'm a bit drunk and I couldn't even find that good. Sorry. Dissonance and bad playing is still dissonance and bad playing, no matter who you are or what state you're in.

Terrible song, yes, but still cute.

Cute, yes, I can agree with that.

Hup two three four!

I mean, at least they attempted to keep time in it.

Thank you for that pretty damn obscure Milkmen reference, sje.

I mean it. Thank you.

So obscure that even I don't get it?

Holy Christ. I never even heard of The Dead Milkmen. All I know was that people were talking about obscure bands, and I decided to mention the Shaggs. I didn't even know that the band you were talking about in the post I replied to wrote a song about The Shaggs. In fact, I didn't even read your post.

What a coincidence.

I want to hear this song now, but it's not on Youtube.

I thought it might be possible that it was just a strange coincidence. That is a strange coincidence.

Anyway, the song is " When I Get to Heaven ." It's not one of their better songs. I mean, I like it, but it's nothing that anyone should start with. Anyway, as you'll see, this is not actually a song about The Shaggs, per se. The parts throughout the song in which they are mentioned are kind of spoken under the music and have nothing to do with anything. But you'll see what I thought you were paraphrasing. And yes, this is how I found out about them.

I knew the lyrics, but thanks.
I listened to Punk Rock Girl. It's not bad. The guy's young though.
I found out about them by going to the Wikipedia page for New Hampshire Music, or whatever.

I think the only Milkmen song I heard was "Takin' Retards to the Zoo". It was funny, but not like life-changing or anything. But I'm going to assume their other stuff is better. Plus you like Riot, so you must have good taste.

While "Takin' Retards" is great in it's way, no, it's not truly indicative of most of their catalogue. That was when they were teenagers.

I know this band. I know them

Saw them years ago for their "Dave Blood" memorial concert. Goddamn, what a great show, and it's just a shame it came on such inauspicious circumstances.

Yeah. It's goddamned shame about Dave. He just all of the sudden didn't have anything to do anymore after they broke up and he couldn't handle it.

I was lucky enough to see them once with an alive Dave. I was only 15, but it's still one of the best shows I've ever seen. Life changing shit.

I never thought that song was especially funny.

Alright.

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rowboat:within the space of about six months when I was about ten years old, I "borrowed" my mom's copy of Jetho Tull's Aqualung.

Oh, damn. Aqualung. What a concert that was. Oh damn. Those guys were on fire and tight.
Their opening act was some obscure group called Yes that just put out their 1st album.
V-chubs for the memory. Hah. Security guards and cops chasing me back into the auditorium.
good times.

Wow, you saw Yes on their first tour? Awesome.

I have seen Yes six times.

Yes. They both played the Civic Center.

The Civic Center in Tulsa? That's where I saw Yes the first time.

Also twice at the Old Lady.

The other three times were in Houston.

No, the one in OKC. 1971, iirc.

Pink Floyd played there maybe a year later? Their show was nowhere what it morphed into in later years. No stage show at all, just them and some monitor speakers in the aisles. The Meddle era.

Damn. Why do bands have to suck so much today, put on such generally crappy shows, and charge so damn much for them as well? That is, before we're even raped by the ticket agencies that control the venues meaning sometime you can't even buy tickets at the box office. I recall one event recently where they were only accepting cash at the box office and there was still a service fee for it.

They have a boy to clean the money for them. So that it is safe to bathe in.


Speaking of tickets, I payed $30 for a club show in the not so recent times and it was pretty rockin. I didn't drink anything so I pretty well got my money's worth (my friend who spent $40 on drinks, I'm not so sure about)

I don't drink myself, but when shows are about $30-40 (and often more for larger acts) you're cutting out the youth who typically made up the vast majority of concert sales.

While they couldn't always stick to it, Fugazi had the right idea: $5 shows and $10 albums. At a lower price fans can afford to go to more shows more often and it just ends up working out better for everyone including venue owners.

If a show is only $10 or so I'm going to be a lot more willing to take a chance on an unknown band or one that I simply don't know very well. For local mid-week acts if your door is only $5 or so it's worth it as the local bands playing need the exposure more than anything. When smaller acts are charging $20 or so I just have to consider whether I'm really that interested anymore. So many clubs have awful sound too. Sure it's not going out, but I'd rather spend that same money by buying some albums that I can listen to for years to come.

Most punk and hardcore shows that I went to around the early 2000's were $10, and so were the CD's and shirts that were sold there. Metal shows were a different matter, since the scene is still to some extent controlled by managers and A&R douches who are slick, greedy, middle-aged fat guys with ponytails and New York accents. I can't believe that anyone would buy a $35 t-shirt, but they did.

Depending on who you see now, good shows of bands that aren't on major labels will only set you back upwards of 18 bucks (still a lot though).

The downside? They make back most their money on merch sales :(.

Exactly. That's still a lot of money. Especially for a band where I've maybe heard one or two songs on their Myspace page.

I both don't have that kind of money and if I did it's not a good investment or low enough that I could afford to go frequently and thus sort the wheat from the chaff accepting that I'll see some shitty bands, but also see some great ones.

Very true as well. If you're willing to help out at the show you can see shows at 924 Gilman for free. Of course, that's what comes when you're running a non-profit venue. Some great bands have played there, but sadly most of the ones to go on to any real success (and not playing there post-success) were crappy pop-punk acts that I loathe.

Still, I do recall seeing punk and hardcore shows in people's basements and backyards in high school for maybe $5 or less.

You have to listen to the right music for the price. Of course I'm not putting down your musical tastes, but I recently went to a $12 local show (relatively local) and saw 2 amazing bands and one mediocre band.

Lloyd Noble? Isn't that what it was called in those days?

Lloyd Noble is the arena at OU where alot of events are held. coincidentally, I knew the guy Lloyd Noble whose Uncle Lloyd it's named after.
Which fun-fact has zilch to do with rock concerts.

WHERES THE FUCKING MONEY
LEBOWSKI

This is correct.

GIVE US ZE MONEY OR VE VILL CUT OFF YOUR CHONSON

WE ARE NIHILISTS, LEBOWSKI. WE DON'T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING.

There's nothing to be afraid of Donny, these men are cowards.

I FUCK YOU! I FUCK YOU!

Dude! Beverage!

I like the fact that the Limo Driver in 'Lebowski and the Limo Driver in {i]'Spinal Tap[/i] are played by the same guy, he also played one of Bobby D's cronies in 'Godfather 2 but I forget which one, surely not Abe Vigoda?

I like the fact that I set off a chain of Big Lebowski quotes, despite the fact that I was talking about This Ray's Place column .

touche

Damn that would be a sweet tattoo though.

Buddy Hackett?

GODDAMN IT it's Bruno Kirby. Same person really.

Someone's lamed a whole swathe of these comments. I see their reasoning, but disapprove nonetheless.

I don't see their reasoning.

I uh... I guess they reason it is lame?

I just lamed the one for "we don't believe in anything". C'mon. We believe in nothing .

:( damn I fail at everything.

Forgiven, but just this once. Use this as an important lesson. Perhaps the most important lesson. Or not.

A lesson is learned. But is the damage irreversible?

maybe i will use my free achewood tattoo voucher for a tat of the first panel of this strip.

METATTOO

I eagerly await your skin, my friend.

Are you a tattooist? Or just a serial killer?

Can't it be both?

That would not be rare.

it is possible to be both, but I'll only admit to one. both require a sadistic streak.

T-REX

WE EAGERLY AWAIT YOUR SKIN, T-REX

This strip and a lot of the comments remind me of the 30 Rock line - "I'm heavily invested in tattoo removal. It'll pay huge dividends when the current generation sobers up."

This is a true statement. I expect the returns will occur within the next decade.

Then again I saw temporary tramp stamps the other day. Maybe our society is forever ruined.

In my mind you are allowed a tattoo if you were a)In the military; must be related to being in the military in some way b)in prison; should ideally also be related to being in prison or some derivation thereof c)an established badass; this category may and likely will overlap with one of the two previous categories so feel free to intermingle tattoo styles with each.

These are the only cases in which tattoos are acceptable and are generally not optional.

I think it is ok if you were a merchant sailor too.

True. I can't believe I forgot about it. I guess I just got sidetracked by naval tattoos in a).

Being in a gang of any sort qualifies under b). Essentially you will probably eventually qualify for it so it's considered OK to maybe get some of it in in advance. The Yakuza also get a special dispensation in this category.

Sailor do have to restrict themselves to either nautical themes or those relating to places they have been. The loneliness of being a sailor and absence from loved ones on shore is considered a nautical theme for these purposes, but we both know when you're working within the established boundaries and when you're taking it too far.

Seriously. Someone is going to have an enormous blue tattoo of swallow's wings enveloping her collarbones. They're going to go into a room and sit down in front of a man in a suit and the man in the suit is going to say, "Okay, so what makes you think you're the best candidate for the accountant position at this practice?" or something similar.

They may have degrees. They may have all the knowhow. But that dude in the suit is just going to be looking at her, thinking, "What the shit is that on his neck? Are those devil's horns? Or wings? What? Why does he have wings on her neck? Is his neck dead, and going to heaven? How could just his neck be dead?"

Gender is pretty flexible to the man in the suit. He's 21st century, all the way.

The dude has two necks, and one neck has a vagina.

and one is dead and gone to heaven

and the devil is six

then God is seven.

This vaginas goooone to heaven

Quotation cycle complete. Thank you all for your contribution to our success.

Same place next time someone mentions something that can obliquely be referenced to something unrelated, but with pop cultural value?

onetwothreefourfivesixseven
all good children go to heaven.

Aww.. that's sweet. Is that what they told you?

That is what Paul and John told me.

I heard something else, perhaps you'd heard.. PAUL IS DEAD.

Apparently the walrus had something to do with it.. some sort of glass onion? Maybe some Strawberry fields. I'm unclear on the whole thing.

Actually Paul was the only one who survived.

Laughing.

I have my eye out for an unlicensed, garage-based, tattoo-removal technology that I will ultimately retire on.

NA we CooL

down with the salt.

Achewood Choppers

My tattoo would say HIV: Never again

Truly. Getting it twice is hella depressing.

Mine would say HIV: Here comes a special boy!

I actually thought about just this, but lacked sufficient wicked sac to post it. But you, sir, have it and show it, and so I chubby you. You are a special boy!

I see. Then yours is perhaps telekinetic sac? I wondered about that disturbance in the Force.

Can you get HIV by telekinesis?

*worried*

Telepathic perhaps, but not telekinetic. Given how much male behavior is governed via the sac, it is unnecessary to achieve action at a distance. By thinking at all other sacs within range, my sac has influence far beyond what (based on cursory visual inspection) anyone might expect.

So, Assetbarristos, if you suddenly get a wild urge up your back that would have you behaving, shall we say, outside your norm , it's maybe that you've tuned in to the frequency of my wicked, telepathic sac.

Does this force affect the breasteses in lieu of sac?

We must research this question more for it troubles us profoundly. Please stay tuned, and I mean that only in a positive, telekinetic sense.

I don't know, kamet. I am so infrequently in the vicinity of women who might share this kind of information with me. I would think that any parallel effect on women would be felt in the ovaries, and this likely to be misinterpreted as PMD, endometriosis, or the passing of an ovarian cyst.

As visually compelling the dangly parts are, we must not make the mistake of concluding that their respective influences are equally so. I know that for some men, bresteses are nearly as great an influence on their behavior as their sacs. But are women as influenced in theirs by their bresteses as men are by their sacs? Will you teach us, kamet?

Have you ever heard someone say that a woman has wicked breast?

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I have heard it said of certain women I have known that they had mucho balls, or mas pelotas. So, getting away from the literalistic physicalistic perspective, certain women would logically also have wicked sac,(See Tina*) and leave the breasteses to do what Nature intended them to do.

Just one man's opinion.

GOOOOOOD TIIIIITS

i was wondering what that tingling was (v-chub)

Yes, that was it, tripleg. I hope you enjoyed the mad rutty things you were thus compelled to do. If so, my inordinately powerful, telepathic wicked sac is most pleased .

Not a big fan of tattoos.

Tats are rad. Reference: Above comic.



Now he's getting a tattoo, yeah, he's getting ink done...

Fantastic work yet again Hammie. I look forward to these things

Oh damn the line was "getting ink done"? I always thought it was just "getting it done".

Ray rocks the tramp stamp like no other dude can.


(fresh ink as of last night, how funny is that)

Rad as all hell.

Now if I were a tattoo man...


hamscout you are so rad.

i would actually get this. i'm not sure what that says about me.

Apparently, photo-suckit doesn't think I'm rad, because they censored my image!
So, I'm reposting it here, for posterity...

Or is it: "posterior-ity" ?

ROBOT ASS!!!!!!!!!

I'd hit it

BOO TO THAT

It's hard to top the Guy who now has a Phillipe tattoo on his ass that says "Here comes a special boy."

https://www.flickr.com/photos/inknouveau/2969324923/

For the rest of his life he'll be showing that off every time he drops his pants. When he's 85, and can no longer shower himself, some rest home worker is going to look at that and think "WTF."

It's easy to top someone... ...who's a bottom!

There came a special boy...

That was clearly very fresh ink. Made his butt look all hella spanked. Just like I like all my special boys' cheeks to look...

hit it like a champ!

Hamscout, now we know how you got your handle. Fine hams, my man.

I can't take credit...those are found hams, from Google.

So, I guess I'm the perfect...ham...scout??

Stretch. But I'll chub ya, for your fine ass investigating.

"The Ass Investigator" could be a nice mystery book. A nice porn mystery book.

A popup book?

One way, or another, or both!

It has already been made into a Wondermark strip.

Assy McGee?

Man, that show sucks.

I disagree.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a great show. I'm not even sure I think it's a good show, but I can't say it sucks. It's got some pedigree: Matt Harrigan, a former SGC2C writer, is one of the main guys on this show; and it's also got vocal work from H. Jon Benjamin, if that gets your goat (I love the guy, but I'm not going to say everything he touches is gold unlike some people). I've learned that most things the old SGC2C writers have gone on to work with are at least a little funny, or so I think.

The reason I feel the need to stick up for Assy McGee is because I was surprised when I first watched it by the fact that it didn't totally suck. Everything about that show, in its teaser commercials, made it sound like the worst fucking idea for a television show ever: a talking ass cop with a name that must've taken less effort to shit out than "Poochy" in that Simpsons episode. It sounded like Adult Swim had finally thrown down the "Fuck You, Audience" gauntlet.

They kind of did, actually, but it was more like their usual glove slap. Anyways, I admit I like the realistic theme song/opening, and the regular reworkings of it on the outros. I love the fact that it had that old "we dare you to keep watching this" feel of old Space Ghost eps, especially the nearly incomprehensible Assy vocals and the inane plots. There were actually some pretty funny lines buried in the dialogue, if you were willing try and listen to them. It even had a commercial (and always the same one) built into the show itself in a shameless sell out. It shouldn't have worked, but it did. Kind of.

And that's it. I respect the ability to take what should've been a spectacular fucking failure and turning it into just a moderate one. Plus, there's one opening bit that is fucking hilarious: it involves a United 93-type scenario in a hot air balloon. Wait, that doesn't sound like it should be hilarious, but it is.

Also, I was normally drunk when I watched it.

Look, I watched it one time after a friend told me how bad it was. I had to see if it could possibly be as bad as he said.

For the first two or three minutes I couldn't stop laughing because I could barely understand a damn thing that walking butt said. After that though, I realized that the show sucked and didn't laugh for the rest of the episode. Fart jokes are funny in moderation. "Assy McGee" doesn't know what moderation means.

While I'm not a fan of the show, I will say that I ended up hating it a little bit less than I thought I would. However, I will never, ever forgive Adult Swim for using it to replace Xavier: Renegade Angel. It happened the same week that they replaced Garth Marenghi's Darkplace with.....oh god, I can still barely even say it without throwing up a little bit...with the motherfucking Oblongs.

Oh, well there it goes. And I just bought this shirt.

I agree, Xavier was a much better show, but kind of like Wondershowzen, it doesn't seem to stand up much to repearted viewings. Garth Marenghi's Darkplace is something I'd like to see again; I only watched the last episode on adultswim.com once, it was pretty good.

I hear you on the Oblongs; that and Mission Hill I find to just be boring. I'd say we shouldn't turn this into a 30 year old male 'WHAT CARTOONS DO YOU LIKE' thread, but shit, what else is going on this strip?

I like Mission Hill. The Oblongs was okay every now and then. Haven't heard of Darkplace or Xavier.

Mission Hill is nice, but whenever I watch it on Adult Swim it's the same fucking epsiode , the one where Kevin tries to cheat the SAT.

I thought that was the only episode.

Well, as a 30-year-old male, I have to say that my favorite newish cartoons are pretty much all from the hand of Brad Neely. Professor Brothers, et al. I'm just endlessly impressed by his style. That, and I keep a candle in the window for Aqua Teen, Space Ghost Coast, Brak Show and other older Adult Swim fare.

Ha. Space Ghost Coast. Sounds like a nice place.

dare i say, people are dying to visit? ...no, i dare not, 'twould be silly

Please don't say the O word.

I thought that was going to be the new Simpsons, when I saw the commercials for it, but I felt like throwing up after watching it.

I didn't want to know what a robot's ass looks like on a human ass...but they showed me anyway.

Duuude... we got maaaanes.

Kamet, you are clearly one of the best of us, and should surely be appointed your own galaxy to rule. Maybe this one, unless you'd rather have a fresh start somewhere else.

Your tat is so rad it made me step down from my Assetbar high-horse and just offer you my sincere admiration without trying to be clever or make any pop culture references.

Or did I?

Man that is like if the Broadway production of The Lion King had an Isosceles Lock with the dudes from Okami .


The flaming verdigris manhole cover is a classic motif of Norse mythology.

I thought it was one of the frisbee thingies from TRON.

i'm sorry, all i caught was flaming manhole.

There is a good ointment for that

Mama always told me not to look into the eye of the sun, but mama... that's where the fun is...

That kind of looks like Bahamut from Final Fantasy X, except that one's more birdlike.

Also I'm not sure what part of the body that is supposed to be.

I am thinking is calf.

Dudes, this is so fucked up! I just saved up for a new one, too!

Dang, that's hardcore.
I'm only like, 30% skateboarder.

Okami! Oh hells yes!

That game kicks fifty kinds of ass. Oh yes.

I meant to post earlier on the profound metaphysical implications you have raised getting a kabbalistic-themed tat, which should (in my book) King's-X the disallowed burial in a Jewish cemetery, if, in fact, it is a kabbalistic-themed tat.
Not exactly a tit for a tat, but close enough.

Mine recently celebrated its first anniversary, not very fresh anymore. Still brilliant however.



I'm on the right, I got a Henna for my roomate.

Someone needs to eat more.

I have blue skin too - maybe that is the tattoo for me.

Scrawniness and youth seem to go together, as you should know, achilles. Admittedly some young people these days have been mainlining fast food grease from infancy and look it, but others still have the bag-of-bones look that goes with a revving metabolism and hormone levels that will never be higher.

Yeah, he also fucks many a slut.

*Has a healthy sexual appetite, and people to have intercourse with.

in the first panel, it looks like beef has a dong that is wider than his legs

You wish.

Well hey, you're the one with the cat avatar.

as he is the one with the long penis as Ray claims, we should not be surprised?

I feel like this chubby I'm giving you is nothing compared to the chubby Onstad gave Beef.

There will basically never be a tattoo better than the one where Patrick Swayze is a centaur. The only reason I don't have four of those right now is it's already been done by someone who is greater than I could ever even imagine being.

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Vlad: Web comic creator is promisink readers Fuck You Friday strip on Friday. Friday goes by, and there is no new strip. The cock crows: Saturday, she has broken. Now 2 strips are beink promised! The reader, he is delighted, his breast grows strong, wide; the ladies obey his sway. The night soon breathes his cool breath on the streets; reader still is awaitink Fuck You Friday strip...
Teodor: ...and?
Vlad: 3 dollars

(oh who really cares anyways)

A comment left by onstad was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by blastradius, caboom, trevor328, SkiddyFisk)

So you made people pay for something you honestly don't have faith in?

Have a chubbu, that takes BRASS BALLS.

I think the rationale was more like throwing scraps to the dogs gathered around his backdoor, salivating thunderously.

His scraps are so tasty , we think it's so totally worth it. Plus, we get tidbits of backstory and all kinds of good stuff besides. Of course, we can't tell anyone about any of it, or the rest of the pack will turn on the offender and rend mercilessly.

HOLY CHRIST IS THAT AN ALIVE CHRIS ONSTAD

What should we do? Should we inform the authorities?

Finding an alive Onstad is like finding an alive Waldo.

Does he have eggs or testicles?

alt text: "living the d-o double G's life"

I would just like to point out that I have viewed more strips than Onstad. Does this make me more knowledgable? I'm going to go out on a limb and say perhaps .

I've read more strips than you. What does that make me?

A God

You know, I'm a little confused about this 1,495th strip of yours. Is there an old strip out there that I've never seen? How could it be?

It's the Breastman strip. It asks for an additional password right after you log in.

Dude, as long as I been poppin' boners, I been poppin' 'em to tits. I am a dyed-in-the-wool breastman.

Maybe my SSN is the password.

Go ahead and type it in as a reply here, and the site will check it against the database

If your SSN doesn't work, try your credit card number.

After which maybe upload some nude photographs, to make sure all birthmarks are in their appropriate locations. Maybe act as though you were caught doing something naughty.

Covering at least one nipple, if not two, with a shocked coy look on your face, while your junk dangles freely.

The legendary strip which only 5 people have only seen, and two of which were stricken with the plague?

I've heard legends.
It is the greatest strip of all time. Merely glancing at it brings you into a state of sweet nirvana. Or, quite possibly, drive you mad.
Theguitarhero was the latter.

I just found it myself a few weeks back. It seemingly is a "secret strip" without really being secret. I'm not kidding when I say it "revealed" itself to me (no, not its rock hard cat cock).

A long time back I went through the archives, as many have, by clicking through the "highest rated" function on the side bar. Once you've done this all the way through, it reverts back to the top strips, and stays that way even if you go to those strips again. So, it had been that way for like a year, but all of a sudden I noticed that there was just one strip showing up there, instead of the usual 4 or whatever. I clicked on it, and it was that "secret" strip. As I mention in my comment on that strip, it has relatively few comments (and much fewer views) to all the other strips preceding and following it; and the oldest comment was like 4 months old.

Anyways, you probably just want me to shut the fuck up and post the link, but it might be illegal or something, or maybe you want to experience that golden assetbar magic. If you want me to tell you what is, just let me know.

No, this is all new to me. I'd be very happy if you posted the link to that.

https://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uua52RjLD#comment_10

Thank you. Now I am whole.

I just slapped God across the face

Who the fuck are you? Get the fuck away from here.

We do not take kindly to deity-slappers around here.

and Teodor doesn't take kindly to sons-of-diety kickers.

*glare at Lyle*

You know what? I wouldn't chubby this comment, normally. It's just a piece of informative text. But dammit, Onstad, you deserve every chubby you can get .

The reason I don't chubby every Onstad comment is the same reason that I don't lame every Asherdan one.

Because SOME PEOPLE respect the SCIENTIFIC PURPOSE OF THIS JUDGMENT SYSTEM.

that chubby was from me, and it was not because i approve of what you said, but in fact to show my lack of respect for the scientific purblah blah

Dude, who's Bob Giacominello? Even Google is having trouble with it :P. Oh and good strip :)

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(only to the non-paying ones.)

Boo fucking hoo. You lamed Onstad. You need to be slapped.

And you need to pull your nose out of his ass.

As soon as you get fucking slapped, I'll find a new ass for this nose. Not until then.

Isn't laming Onstad kind of like in The Brothers Karamazov when the grand inquisitor told Jesus to get the hell out of Dodge? (Regardless of if it's actually him)

DISCLAIMER: I'm not calling Onstad Jesus but he is the creator of this strip that we all adore.

Dammit Chris, I'd like to say that every time you say something on Assetbar it makes me all self-conscious about you reading our critical comments and, even worse, getting ideas from them - but nah I'm fine man.

I hear he likes it when we only post haikus.

Because they are short.

Chubbies for you.

I'm thinking that since there hasn't been a strip in 5 days, Onstad should have saved the FUF for today.

Mos def. I am most curious why he would make an FUF on any day other than friday...

Five days? The date I saw was Nov. 1. It's been a week!

I was going by the post times. They all said "happypuppygirl [or whatever]neu 5 days ago", not 6. But you are right, of course. Because it is Friday.

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You are fucking awesome, skiddyfisk. How did you become so fucking awesome?

The man has a child and a woman who produced said child. The "daily" comic loses said man un-said money. Sometimes compromises are made.

I got the sense from his above post that he isn't wildly proud of the Fuck You strip. He didn't want it part of the central canon.

I am not of the camp that will complain about either side of content. Free content is free, and thus I don't whine. The pay content is not required (he does not rape your bank account), and seriously, it's damn cheap

So are we to assume that all the paid content is non-canon?

I have a bad feeling about this.


Okay, now this is how your heckle the Onstar. Mock his moneymaking ways with the funny. You are a fine, upstanding citizen young featurelessvoid.

I am old and slow, so I hope someone will explain just what happens if someone "[will] mak all over me." Lots of things make me groan, only some of them pleasant.

to mac v (alt spellings, mack, mak)

1. to attempt to get digits from

2. to put the moves on; to attempt to have sex with

a mac daddy is a person with refined skills in approaching and making out with those of the desired sexual demographic.

Thank you. Your kindness is exceeded only by your wisdom.

This is not to be confused with the daddy mac

Or a Big Mac.

Although good macking will result in some special sauce of its own.


One of them will make you JUMP! JUMP

By contrast, the other will make you JUMP! JUMP!

Thank you. I was wondering if I was referencing something too juvenile. I may still be doing that, but at least I'm not the only person who was 10 in 1991

The miggeda-miggeda-miggeda-miggeda mack daddy.
The miggeda-miggeda-miggeda-miggeda daddy mack.
(this is funnier if you imagine it in like an effete new englander accent)

Apparently we speak effetely?
I was not aware of this stereotype. That is wicked retahdid, man.

Oh, no, I mean a specific type of new englander, not like all new englanders speak effetely. I mean like those ones in shows and movies who are all rich and like sound almost vaguely british kinda and are always aghast and horrified at stuff? You know?

Well, I never .

Yeah, I understand. That is more of a Connecticut thing, isn''t it? Well, no mansions around here. (It is rich though, I'll give you that.)

Even more specifically, Gold Coast Connecticut, i.e., Greenwich, Cos Cob, Darien, New Canaan, Westport, Fairfield, and certain enclaves further east. At one time the accent was more pervasive among the better class of people. These days we tend to call it Long Island Lockjaw , since it seems to affect people on both sides of the Sound.

You know, I've never actually met people like that and I've lived in New England for a majority of my life. But then, I've never been to Connecticut.

Wait, now I'm getting confused though, is Connecticut still part of New England? Where the fuck is New England? I mean its edges?

I believe New England includes all of the states that are north/northeast of New York and Pennsylvania: Connecticut, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Maine.

You are correct, sir.
Everything that is east of New York State.

Yes, Connecticut is amongst us.

I don't mean to be creepy how I was before, but where abouts in New England are you from? I am from New Hampshire. A general location is fine. I'm just wondering if there is a chance we are from the same general area.

Massachusetts. So not really.

I live in Massachussetts as well. Dracut, whoich is right next to Lowell.
Also, I lived next to MA anyway when I lived in NH anyway. The Derry area.

I lived in NH for 18 years of my life, and now I go to college there. That is why I say I am from NH instead of saying I am from MA.

I'm considerably more southerly than that.

prime-cut miggidy-mo mack-daddy jizza-bang doggy-dog-dog!

Mac daddy:


Mac k Daddy:

this is the second time this happened in a week, seriously fuck you BBCode


Hahaha! I imagine he does not exactly yell it as such, but says it in sort of a low hiss.

Is for you... Cocodrillo . *puff*

holy christ is that italian spiderman? my friend was italian spiderman for halloween

All the tattoos I have/plan on getting are all bands or webcomics.

I am getting Heathcliff, Garfield, and Top Cat as a sort of trinity thing sometime.

Like, the three points of a cross, that is on top of a big pile of fish bones. At the bottom, in cursive/gothic text, it'll say "Who's next?"

I'm getting T-Rex from Dinosaur Comics on my left side right above my hip.

Not T. Rex as in Ride a White Swan or Get It One ?

No.

Did you know that Marc Bolan was on the radio in his car when he died?

... and on the gear shift, and on the heater controls, and all over the windscreen.

How long have you been waiting to tell that joke?

31 years.

Too soon?

Sad Rock Industry Fact: If you record "Get it On", you will die under-appreciated.

Since he was two .

I don't care what you say, man. That's hardcore.

It reflects a commitment to the cause, for sure.

It's all downhill from here, Sonny Bono.

Some of the Mayor even got on the tree!

He danced himself right out the womb
Is it strange to dance so soon
He danced himself right out the womb

I always wanted to tattoo a lemon on the back of my neck, and if anybody ever asked about it I would act all defensive and angrily scream that they were seeing things.

Quote:
All the tattoos I have/plan on getting are all bands or webcomics.

I can't tell if you're serious. If you are, wait a couple of years. Please. You won't feel the same way about any of the bands or webcomics that you like now when you are 25. You may still appreciate them, but not in the same way. I know it seems impossible that you'll ever change, but you'll have to trust me on this.

I already regret my "100% SKATEBOARDER" tattoo, and I just got that yesterday.

No I am definitely going to appreciate getting a t rex tattooed onto my stomach.

Especially since it will probably hurt worse than the Showbread logo I have over my heart.

Everything else I'm still working out.

OK, OK. Now you're just fucking with me. Ha ha.

Nope I'm serious.

Not to be rude but just because you got not only a really stupid tattoo but a plain ugly one that looks homemade doesn't mean everyone young who wants tattoos that don't make sense to other people will.

Most of the things I want on my body permanently are really important to me and will be forever and even when I've outgrown the things they represent I will still look back fondly on them.

Oops that was supposed to say regret in there somewhere.

But you are assuming that you will look fondly back on them.
When I was ten I thought I would always love pokemon, and I'm dang glad the tatoo place wouldn't let me in to do my Charizard.

I did a charizard once. Be sure to wear a rubber.

'...scorching case of Herpes'

Oh my. Oh wow, man. I am so sorry. I just never would've anticipated that anyone would truly believe that I actually would get "100% SKATEBOARDER" prison-tatted onto my wrist. I mean, I realize that only one person here actually knows me, but I still never though that anyone would really buy that. It just wasn't true and now I feel 100% less hardcore.

But back to the business at hand. Get whatever the fuck you want tattooed on you, guitarhero. I mean, you really will be surprised at how different you'll feel about music and everything in a few years, but don't take my word for it. It's all part of growing up. Hopefully you'll at least be able to laugh about it.

And to clarify, I really did think you were messing with me toward the end, there, but just because I found out who Showbread was and listened to a little bit and ultimately thought they sounded like Nine Inch Nails but with three vaginas per band member instead of just one each like in NIN and when I've downed a few I sometimes genuinely forget that people don't always hate the same shit that I do so I was a bit of a prick and I didn't really mean to be and I'm still doing it even though I'm now sober and I'm really sorry about that.

Holy shit. This was meant to be more of an apology but I guess I probably just made it worse. I'm in a weird mood.

You are a rad poster, guitarhero. Bye.

To summarize:
I'm sorry.
You suck.
I'm Sorry you suck.
I'm sorry.

i was gonna say "yo why are you apologizing he should apologize for insulting you for your clearly fake tattoo" and then i read the third paragraph. and the part after that. chubbied.

Is it something I say that makes people think I'm a douche?

:-( I'm sorry guys if I've been douchey lately. I'll try to be less of a douche.

Liking what you like doesn't make you a douche, nor does defending it. Sometimes I just can't fathom that folks like shit that I hate. It's kind of a Problem.

Carry on.

In regards to tattoo regret, I have an account where I actually caused some.
A few years back, during basic training, there was one fellow with a heart on his wrist. What was remarkable about this was that, despite being shaped like the greating card version of a heart, it was textured to look like an internal organ. So, I had some fun.
I asked him about the tatt, specifically why he got a set of bull's testicles hanging from his wrist. He got defensive, trying to tell me that it was a heart, I appologise, though maintaining my reasoning for the mistake, and throughout the weeks to come, he found that it looked more and more like a set of testicles.
He has since had it removed.

i don't think he is. and that's ok!

after reaching intellectual maturity and onwards, there are things we grow to love that we will always hold a certain fondness for no matter how old we get. i believe achewood to be one of those things, dinosaur comics as well. so for the next 3-5 years, you walk around with a constant reminder of and homage to something that has altered and enriched the way you view life, and thereafter (perhaps when onstand stops writing because his fans are getting too annoying and power-trippy) you will look upon it with a tender nostalgia, and say to yourself "man, those were the good ol' days".

actually, i would advise you to hold off on the showbread tat. i feel somewhat differently about bands tats because bands are sometimes like a passing fashion trend. i don't know much about showbread, but i see they're on tooth and nail and... yea. alls i'm saying is, when i was younger, i was into a lot of stuff that i can't quite take seriously anymore. post hardcore and metalcore among them. they're still fun to listen to, but no longer meaningful to listen to, if you catch the distinction. hoodies can be sold on ebay for $5 plus shipping, tats are 4 lyfe.

Too late I got it for my 18th birthday.

Showbread is a band that's been around for ages and on more than just T&N. Showbread is more than just another "post-hardcore" band to me, it was the band that ushered me in to the world of non-radio-approved music.

So basically that's it.

i just googled the logo and it looks pretty nice. so rock it. i also found this, which is hilarious:




I'm so ashamed that Underoath is from my home town, seriously they are embarrassing.

Underoath. So what are they, like, Legalcore or some shit?

Yeah dude, you should check out their new album, Habeus Corpses .

Did you know you just named an actual song ?

Their early stuff is basically death metal riffs and screaming about how abortion is murder that is fortunately incomprehensible unless you read the lyrics. Their later stuff is total emo pop with references to Jesus that are vague enough so as to allow them to still be popular at Hot Topic.

elbox: knowing too much about a band called Underoath so you don't have to, but then telling you about them which slightly reduces the usefulness.

Their old frontman, Dallas Taylor, went on to form the much better Maylene And The Sons Of Disaster.

i saw Maylene and Showbread a few weeks ago (along with A Static Lullaby and two other bands that weren't as good.)

Showbread was decent but they were down one vocalist so that was kinda disappointing and made me wonder exactly what that was all about and then Maylene...

i'll tell you all, everyone in Maylene And The Sons Of Disaster looks like good-ole-boys from the backwoods (which they are) who would look comfortable sitting on a porch in rocking chairs sporting overalls and sraw hats sipping from a large jug what is marked with an 'XXX'.

also: Underoath's real new album is way better than Define The Great Line..but still not as good as The Changing Of The Times.

i am seeing them in Denver on the seventh.
//music.

i did not see them. the end.

aw.

Chubby for people-who-outgrew-metalcore-but-still-secretly-listen-to-it solidarity.

if that is a real tattoo rowboat, i swear i'll grow extra smilin' teeth to make more of a statement about how much i appreciate that tattoo.

You can hold off on the extra smilin' teeth, autre. See above explanation. Sorry.

Seriously - I'm, like, .05% SKATEBOARDER at most.

A comment left by odog was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by gormster, breastman, usversusthem)

Mark the time: 45 comments in, the XKCD bashing starts. Unpro-fucking-voked.

HUGE slam on XKCD out of nowhere

Especially since Randall admits he is a fan of Achewood and even links to Achewood from his site.

I think there must be something horribly wrong with me as I like Questionable Content, Achewood and XKCD avidly, but all the readers from those strips seem to hate each other.

If Manflesh were here there would have some sort of QC/XKCD/Achewood Romeo and Juliet slash fic threeway right about now.

Don't read either. QC looks way too goddamn anime and I've never even looked at XKCD. Only other comic I've ever read was lickmyjesus. God I miss that so much.

Did many AssetPeople read lickmyjesus?

I did. It saddened me when the site disappeared, and somehow further still when it came back and I learned that most of it was lost to even the one creator that decided to maintain it.

I like 'em all too. Jeph is an Achewood fan too, I'm pretty sure. The artists are probably relieved to have someone out there with the same job out there as they do, so they don't feel so ridiculous, while the fans start getting all loyal and macho.

Really? I don't see xkcdians talk bad about Achewood. I hear people say how they don't really get into it and stuff.

Do you post in the forums there? Because I do. PM me.

(Wait. You're 14. Umm. Don't PM me, then. Well, actually, you can PM me, just no dirty talk please.)

HOW'D SHE GET IN IF SHE'S 14!!!

This is a 12 and under liking!

Demitri Martin?

Really?
I don't remember this joke.

The first sentence is all me, but the 12 and under liking (I think in the bit it was 13 and under) is Demitri.

Yeah.

Yes?

Its okay, QC is in my favorites bar. I kinda... I have to admit I think it sucks. I still read it though, all of the times.

That's kind of how I feel about it. It sucks, but it was my second webcomic and it's stuck with me.

Dominic Deegan is one of the suckiest webcomics that I've ever had the misfortune of reading, and I still check every new update.

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Chubbied for wicked sack .

Insert 32 blank comments here, I'm too lazy to make them but I want you to know I am making faces at you.

I'm going to guess . . .
weird faces!!!
o_O
heeheehee

Randall's damn Achewood strip was better than, like, 96 or 97% of real xkcd, and I hated it.

I'm more comfortable standing.

Members only strip? That is a real fuck-you friday strip for sure.

That's what I'm thinking.

Why don't you cut a "smart" hip hop track about it?

Are you putting smart in quotation marks because you think it is an unnecessary categorization that denigrates mainstream hip-hop in an intellectually dishonest way or are you saying all hip hop is stupid?

.... no?

Oh, definitely neither option, Falsey. So neither.

Here's the deal. I'll try (and fail) to keep this short. I've said too much on this board already.

As you may or may not remember, this boy cleanfatback posted a link to his myspace page a little while back. On that page, he had some sort of Achewood tribute track. I found this track to be thoroughly underwhelming at best and fucking irritating at worst. But I chose to hold my tongue 'cause the guy seemed decent enough and I thought he showed some serious sack in even attempting to promote in such a way and in such a place. I let it slide. But, putting aside my feeling for the track alone, what really made it difficult was his little myspace blurb-thing. I think I'm only slightly paraphrasing, if at all:

"Smart Hip Hop. Wow."

Where do I even start? OK, first and foremost, why would anyone in all seriousness self-apply the label of "smart" to an artistic endeavor? If it's that goddamned smart, you probably won't have to tell people about how smart it is. Also, with the "wow" it seemed to me that he was trying to imply that smart hip hop was some kind of rarity. "Look what I'm doing! Can you believe that hip hop can actually be smart?" But even all of that would've been somewhat excusable had the track actually been even so much as slightly clever! I mean, if you're going to go through with making that kind of claim, wouldn't you at least want to make sure that you could back it up?

Now, I'll say that his Madvillain avatar would at least suggest that he has some idea of what smart hip hop is really about. In a way, that takes some of the heat off of him. But then I freak out all over again while wrestling with the terrible possibility that he may actually hold himself up to Madvillain, that he may think of himself as somehow the same thing.

I don't know why I care, but I do.

Anyway, like I said, I wasn't ever going to say anything. But, if you couldn't tell, today's board has me freaking out. I can't believe some of these entitled pricks. Then he was the tenth fucking person to say something to the effect of "We all got fucked over on Fuck You Friday lol!" and I just couldn't hold my snide little bitch slap back.

And now the floodgates have opened and I am no doubt an enemy to all.

Good night.

Nah, it's cool rowboat. You are a dude from Principles. Chubby.

Man I liked that track.

The case of "The guy who lames all my comments" is finally solved.

Dear Mr. Rowboat,

You sure tore me a new one! Boy, I should see my face now. Seriously dude - Harsh slams. However, I am not a complete internet virgin, and my tender musical ass has been raped several times. By people with blogs, even.

So, on to what I believe is the main problem in our short but fiery relationship: Context.

For my Myspace blurb, I did write "Smart Rap. Wow."

However (this part is important), for the description of Psikotic, , I wrote the following:

Two new gods stand silhouetted against the writhing kaleidescope of history. They are Ike the Bold and Chris-of-the-many-eyes. Each squints into the future with Clint Eastwood-like splendor, pondering the eternal, the maternal, the internal and everything between. Out of their bulging brains emerges fantastic music of the sort associated with the arrival of angels. All shall kowtow in awe and sheer terror. Cool.

It's dumb, but it does provide a hint as to the intent of the "Blurb."

...

That's right! It's all exaggerated for comedic effect - I have no illusions about my talents, but I'm acting like I think I'm the best ever! It's like I'm using Irony in the form of Hyperbole.

Here's wikipedia on the subject:

Verbal irony is a disparity of expression and intention: when a speaker says one thing but means another, or when a literal meaning is contrary to its intended effect.

I hope that clears that up.

PS: I don't like my song about Achewood either! It sucks ass!
PPS: I have never compared myself to the Immortal Doom.



I personally thought the track was pretty decent. Granted, I know nothing about music, but it was better than I expected. The verbal irony was done a lot better than The Supreme Satanists .
I saw that blurb and I thought it was incredibly . . .dumb sounding.
Rowboat, I still like you. It is fine you are mad. But I am annoyed at cleanfatback for both his original comment (Seriously. Stop complaining about having to pay a couple of bucks when the vast majority of the strips are free.) and his response was way too ironic, in the meanest sense of the word. "Boy, you sure tore me a new one!" Ugg.

I wasn't kidding. You can tell yourself it's just people from the internet talking, but the nagging feeling is difficult to shake.

God, this is getting fucking ridiculous. I drink beer one night and start a bunch of shit which carries over into the next day. I drink wine later that night and read over everything and get all gushy with the apologies.

Just a few quick points:

I am at fault for not picking up on the comedic exaggeration. I was rash. The combination of words just made me see red. I didn't do my research.

It is true that I didn't like the track, but that had nothing to do with anything here and I was wrong to mix that up with being pissed about you vocally joining the Dissatisfied with Pay Strips Faction that has emerged. I'm a loyalist to a fault and I will continue to defend with bitchy comments and lames Onstad's right to make a living however he chooses. Still, that had nothing to do with your music. If I had something to say I should've said it when you linked to it originally.

If there is a mystery involving someone laming all your comments, I'm sorry to say that it is not yet solved. I've maybe lamed you twice, only once that I can clearly remember (above). I'll prove it with your help; set your lame limit to one and take another look at your comments. The mystery will then be solved.

Just keep doing what you do.

I figure I'll shut up about paying for strips.

Hating my music is fine with me. It's attention either way.

Aaaaannd, I'm gonna rewrite my myspace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XQTgszDNBk

tl;dr

Ah, the case of the NPR Interview and the Endless September .

What is this Usenet nonsense you speak of?
"Boohoo, our customs .

boredom_man, are you trying to call me a noob?

an idiot.

Why? I was kidding by the way, I didn't study those comments but i did skim them.

Fair enough. Just hating on the "tl;dr," I didn't see it as self-evident sarcasm, and it's all over the rest of the 'Net in sincerity, and really doesn't make sense in the context of Achewood fans, Achewood being all about the language. That's not to suggest that every post here is worth reading; almost none of mine are. Just that some of the best posts in the Assetbarrio are some of the longest. Chubby for your mature response to my flame.

I have used tl;dr on one other post, one of the Return of Loneal posts a couple days ago, because it was really taking a dark angry turn and I wanted to make someone smile.

You made me smile, I had a grin for a few minutes after seeing your brilliance.

"Smart commentary. Wow."

What you did there - I see it.

"Smart [blank]. Wow." Is now an official Assetbar meme.

Loneal returned?

She has feminist sense, when someone posts anything vaguely anti-women she appears in a cloud of paprika.

Well, let's try it out.

Hmhm

"So I was hate fuckin' this bomb-ass bitch the other day. It was SO cash. Then I...uh...slapped her or something."

-braces himself-

Oh, can I help?

You raped her! And then made her pick up your clothes for you!

Raped her? Dude, she's my fiancee!

But on that same note, yes, she did pick up my clothes for me.

You tried to shoot it on her face, but missed and got a little on the pillow instead, so you made her lick it up really quick before it dried so the pillow wouldn't get dirty?

The correct way to infuriate a decent feminist (well, anyone who has any care at all for women) is to point out that you can't possibly be raping them if they are going to marry you.

That is about the most horrible thing to say. That is fucking awful. That will make the loneals spew all over your business

When I told my friend that 80% of rapes are committed by someone known to the victim, she honestly could not fathom how such a statistic might be true.

I worry about this friend.

what if you are into feminists spewing on your business

what if that is the only thing that gets your motor humming

"aw yeah this oral sex is pretty much okay, but it would be a lot better if you were like, under some sort of ceiling that I could see through, but you couldn't overcome, ya know? like maybe if i paid you twenty cents less for this fellatio than I paid the guy who did it a few days ago. boy, that would really increase the girth of my erection, which by the way, is all that matters."

Chubbied for that glorious moment I just had between my at-first literal and later metaphorical reading of this comment.

I think he was referring to 'nerdcore'.

I am reading cleanfatback's comment in an Amish-style accent. You should try this also.

So much product placement in this strip.

I mean I wouldn't think Onstad would actually have the guts to take that pay off from Barbed Wire Tattoos Co.

He is the Payola Kid.

At the moment your avataricon is in almost perfect sync with Ultimate by Gogol Bordello.

We're all in sync with Gogol Bordello, all the time - we just don't know it yet.

man, gypsy punk is SO LISTENABLE.

i need more of his fine music very soon.

Sigur Ros, too.

(accent omitted for assetbar muckup.)

That's quite a jump there. I agree with one of the two.

I tend to write Sigur R6s when accents are unavailable. But I'm insane.

if you look at it quickly, that is good.

it is a good substitution.

That just out me in mind of the B-52s.

Who, like Gogol Bordello and Sigur Ros, are really good but totally unrelated.

Put, I mean. Put.

Put out?

No, be quiet.

I will take early B-52s over either, in the end.

Give me them.

I've mostly been listening to much gentler poppy stuff lately - good for studying - but some of these modern punk groups are so good, so true to the spirit of the first-wave greats. Have you listened to their work as JUF as well?

Poppy stuff? Velvet Underground? Oh yes. Yes. Sweet Jane....

Oh, wait... You don't mean that kind of poppy. I'm sorry. I always go to the wrong place. Like my special friend Nice-on-Water likes to say, YIKES.

This might be the first time I have ever disagreed with Ray... actually that is a total lie. I never agree with Ray, but I have always wished I could.

I think if there is something you and Ray agree on you are a bad person.

Beef disagrees with Ray in this very strip. What are you implying, guitar "hero"?

That if you share similar tastes as Ray you are probably pretty weird and fucked up? Minus wanting Airwolf I don't see anything redeemable as far as Ray's extracurricular activities. And I also don't understand what you are trying to say.

Also DORTHY MANTOOTH IS A SAINT.

Of course he wears chucks. Of course.

Shame to waste 'em.

Hey Onstad! I nominate the tat in panel 5 for a shirt/sweat/hoodie. I thought about nominating Salt and Carbon, but then realized that every damn element, compound, amino acid, hydrocarbon and whatall would start shouting for their turn, too. All the riffraff would want in on the show. So please, put smiles on our faces with Commodore PET . Think of all the great conversations all us Achewoodians will have explaining it when we're out on the town, making friends and impressing strangers!

impressing them with our ability to be nerd-circled for hours, perhaps

I couldn't, in good conscience, wear a Commodore PET shirt. Thing's before my time. I wasn't in on that first wave of home computers. I didn't get on board until the Vic-20, and then the C64. I did see some PETs when we went to user group meetings but I was mostly interested in games back then and the C64 delivered.

I would have thought PET was before Beef's time, too...

Probably, is before his time as Beef and I are almost the same age. I had it confused with the Commodore Executive 64 portable computer.

I am now at work (on a public holiday no less), and during the quiet drive to work I reflected that, given the circumstances Beef is from, obsolete technology is probably the only tech he had access too and so the PET is the perfect computer for beef to have had.

They probably let him stay after school to use the ld Commodore Pet. He learned to program, and got to stay away from his horrible guardian. Looks at ceiling, blinking, to stop the tears

hrmph.
ld = old

Who is that stylish, successful man, so seductively flashing his sexy fuzzy belly? I wonder what Ray would have received had it been the Commodore Executive he received? There must be some connection between vintage Australian advertising and Ray's adventures, and just as soon as I have a little more Salvia divinorum I'm sure it will all come clear to me.

Here's one I got last year:

I don't believe you.

But that's awesome!

As with any tattoo, you must ask yourself: "Will I still think this is cool in the distant future?"

Right now there's an old man somewhere in Florida who wears turtlenecks every day in the sweltering heat. Once upon a time, getting the Morse code for "SOS" tattooed on the back of his neck seemed like a sure way to attract the hot nrrrd ladies. Nowadays he's not so sure.



That is all I know about html.
Okay, goodbye.

Dude, you didn't. Please tell me you didn't. Maybe smaller, I might do that. I would buy the t-shirt/hat combo from ThinkGeek if they didn't charge $35 shipping. But a tattoo? I might want kids someday, dude.

It is interesting that I slowly transformed the situation to reflect something I might do rather than something you have done. This is because I am a terrible person and self-centred.

gormster was marked self-centered too many times and was shamed. gormster: what a douche.

I CAN TELL BY TEH PIXELS

i call bullshit. this has been on google under "cool tattoos" for like 25 years. ...Not that I spend time Googlin' "cool tattoos"

Your search - tatoo COME ON SHOW ME ONE THAT'S COOL

You got me. I don't really have any html tattoos. I do however have a rockin' javascript function on my chest.

Pics or GTFO?

(What do these words mean?)

Wash your mouth out with soap!

Cursing through acronyms? I suspect you are very much in trouble, Assetbar Philippe.

What a rotten application of one's self

Moar Pics!!


warrior princexxx?




NSFW.

:(

jesus christ ladies, why ruin a moderate pair of breasts with all that riffraff

I chuckled at 'moderate'.
Heh.. cmere poupee... {SLAP}

8-|

every time i scroll down this titty stares me in the face... oh how strange assetbar is

Exactly. It always manages to be fully on one screen, all big pink tit, no matter what I have been doing further up the page.

Not that that's a bad thing.

always. every time.

It is bullshit.

Incidentally, dwodles, it also comes up when searching "bad tattoos," which is far more appropriate.

fair enough!

Sweet jesus, please someone use the voucher to get one of these inked on! I don't beg. Ever. But I am begging now.

Aren't those all extremely """""straight edge""""" inspired tattoos, or am I wrong? I mean, the iron crosses and the 'respect', 'moderation', they seem inspired by that particular...group of tattooed people.

We'd need to see his elaborate and horrifyingly tacky chestpiece to be certain, though. Perhaps two swallows carrying beakers full of Farnesyl Diphosphate Synthase?

you are correct my man

I don't mainline anything harder than fluorine.

Beef & Ray were skaters. They surely listened to a lot of Minor Threat.

Who DOESN'T listen to Minor Threat?

Those who have discovered Fugazi.

I like Fugazi too.

I know. I like them both, too. They both played pretty major roles in different phases of my life*. All I'm saying is that the Complete Discography kind of found it's place in my drawer after Repeater entered my life.

* - I was never straight edge. I always fucked the pussy and drank up the beers.

But did you get fresh with the fine women?

I think so.

I never got behind the whole anti-casual sex part of it. I still don't get where that entirely comes from. That is something I tend to consider belongs to the hardcore who also go against caffeine and often go vegan.

A comment left by randombeing was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by EM2, rowboat, sje46)

PEOPLE STOP SAYING THIS NOW.

I have to pay three whole fucking dollars?

I feel like I'm getting Fuck You Friday'd by you, Chris Onstad!

No, wait, wait...

Subscriber only?

It's more like a Fuck ME Friday!

Ha Ha, I mean am I right, guys?


Guys?

*tumbleweed*

*gunshot*

*spurs click down the dusty wagon trail into the friscalating dusklight*

Just then...a Royal Tenenbaums reference!

Shut your saddle cock.

I'll try.

I posted a comment yesterday advertising that I live in Ann Arbor and could potentially attend the Q & A session if anyone had any persistent questions just boilin' your noodle. If so, do let me know. I'll hook that shit up. If I am not internet-star-struck.

ask chris if he smokes pot. take some with you in case he does.

My only current tattoo:



Yeah. That's right. :3

Aww. However I am confused as to the location of this tattoo.

Oh, let's play this game. I say inside of the elbow.

Back right shoulder. It's hard to tell on my fleshy pink nerd-like skin.

Dude, you are hell of magenta.

we blame the white balance.

Damn, you are hairy as fuck.

Not really all that hairy.

Not nearly as hairy as, say, me.

Danish ancestry will do it every time.

Danish? Aren't you guys all smooth and blond and shit? Unless you are Jewish, Italian, or Greek, you really have no right to complain about hairy ancestry.

It's an evolutionary thing. Having lots of hair on your body increases the insulation, and makes it easier for you to stay warm.

Any Northern European can be hairy. Or Northern Anywherian.

And I was not complaining. Actually I could give a fuck. Lots of hair, little hair, no hair; it don't make me no never mind.

------------------------

"smooth and blond and shit" Smooth? WTF does that mean? Smooth as in hairless?

I am only a little bit Danish. By brother-in-law and his family are born in Denmark Danish, and they are not hairless by any means.

Some of them are blond, though.

Goddamnit, I have switching back and forth between html and BBcode message boards today.

Crap.

This is the first time I have htmled on this board.

Epic Fucking Fail.

I still love you.

I think I just htmled in my pants.

What's with achewood and Venn diagrams??

It's Math!!

What we need more of, along with Science!

Come on, say it with me!

Math!
Math!
Math!
Math!

Maths!

Ma... Ma... Maths!

Mathhhhhhhhhhhs!

Math...


...s.

Sorry it seems I can't say it with you, I guess it is because I studied mathamatics at school and not mathamatic.

Look, you can be as British as you want (or whatever furr'n country you are from).

But in America, it is MATH . No extraneous 's' on the end.

And Achewood is in America!

So...

Wasn't that Cornelius Bear's autobiography? British As I Wanna Be.

I guess you mean mathematics.

yes i do

math ematics

Do the British have that much trouble truncating words?

Oh hell and shucks I guess the reason for that affectation in the main is that it's still a fucking plural.

Tattoo's are fine and dandy if you are a polynesian, but if I got a tattoo I wouldn't be able to be buried in a sanctified Jewish cemetery. I mean, I'm goyim to the max, but the only options in my town are Jewish Cemetary or Pet Sematary, and I don't want be buried in a pet sematary, I don't want to live my life again, oh no, oh no.

BTW Beef is correct, the barb-wire tat? Lame. I think Ray should get a flaming skull clutching a rose in its teeth against a backdrop of crossed Colt Navy Revolvers.

Also, hey falseprofit, I think Ray just stopped being black.

Essentially. No black man who actually wants to look hard gets a barbed wire tattoo.



They get teardrops counting the number of bitches they've smoked.

So he's only smoked one bitch?

Let us count! One! One smoked bitch! Ah Ah!

I thought it was if their mother had died.

That is actually what it means. All the murder stuff is a TV fabrication.

Also, the gangsters who wear blue are saying that they think Kirk was the better captain, while the ones on red prefer Picard. This is why they always argue.

The Latino gangs wearing yellow all like either Data or Sulu - there's factions and infighting, don't get me started, mang.

However, it's easy to tell them apart - Data is left handed, his gang all wears left hand clothing.

Hence all the west side references.

That and they just adore musical theater.

I believe then, that I will start wearing a red bandana hanging from my back pocket.

here are some of their tears.

...ahhh there's nothing wrong with him that a hundred dollars wouldn't fix.

I think it's snitches they've poked, and the teardrop tat is totally not limited to the brothers.

No way, brothers love barbwire tats.

I was trying to find a google image of a brother with a barbed wire tat to disprove this theory but couldn't find any.

The alternative is primary research, but that would involve getting my camera and talking to the thugz on the corner, risking a beatdown.

Or how about a snake eating a rat with the caption "Born to watch a snake eat a rat"?



CAPITALISM

As Karl Marx once said: capitalism will ultimately, fail due to being small and hard to make out.

Aw shit I meant:



By the way I didn't draw this I just saw it on the internet and thought it was cool.

I'm the guy who sucks.

Let me assure, falseprophet, there is nothing wrong with guys who suck. At least in one, special, sense.

onstad, you realize that now at least a few people are gonna send you pics of these exact tattoos on their arms right?

Realize? Dude he planned it!

No pictures of stupid/awesome tattoos from the internet yet? For shame, Assetbar:

I see your purple unicorn and raise you a deformed wookie...



Thank you. I was going to do the old "That is dogshit blah blah" routine, but that is overdone, and not strong enough. This pretty well explains how fucking awful that picture is. I feel like Daedala owes me money for making me look at that

do you take credit card?

you can has...

this is the achewood equivalent of:


that's such a funny picture!

seriously.

the dog's brain is sendin' messages alike 'HOLY HELL GET ME AWAY FROM THAT!'

his feet be all 'IS THIS FAST ENOUGH? IS THIS FAST ENOUGH, DOG??' and he's all 'NO!' (which fades into a
)

up yours, danging parenthesis.

Screw you, missing 'L'.

This has been another heart-rending installment of

Pictures Of Sad Children

I can't accept that there are people like this. Does she have family for which to be neglected by on holidays? Does she even celebrate holidays that aren't St. Oplymywile's Day? (Feast of the Beatified Tigress)

I think there is facial hair on that thing so despite the resemblance to Jocelyn Wildenstein, I think this freak is male. I just hope he has been neutered.

hence the name cat man .

humanity: only game in town.

God DAMN it, it's just as androgynous as a real cat!

"It."

This is a very scary concept, turning yourself into something that looks like this.

But.

Even scarier (to me) is the thought of a woman who wants this guy to fuck her. Having this face over her, grunting and moaning during the ultimate physical intimacy.

Much less the possibility of this creature impregnating you.

I will have nightmares tonight starring that hypothetical woman.

The mental pictures you have constructed in my head make me wish to vomit. This is ample cause to justifiably hate you, but I will not do so yet.

This is healthy. This is exactly the healthiest reaction to a woman who wants to fuck animalized humans. It is good to loath furries




riffin' on the stupid aspect

Oh but why.

The belly button looks damaged. Like, maybe there was a piercing that got ripped out.

And the owner of the belly button figured, "It can't look any worse, so..."

It just looks like a nuclear bomb went off in the cat's ass and I'm trying to wonder how this happened to the guy in real life. Also: who wants a cat anus on their body...?

Actually, now that I look more closely (what the fuck is wrong with me?), it kind of looks like the Virgin Mary.

So, maybe his choice to tattoo a cat's ass onto it was a little short-sighted. He could have spent his life as a tourist attraction in Meso-America, and never had to work again.

Oh Jesus, Our Lady of Fatima for sure.

It coulda been from an infected umbilicus in infancy. If that was the case, the kid would either have been thought of as wildly cool for having such a weird navel, or really disgusting for having such a weird navel.

That's one huge tattoo, and it's gonna really hurt to have it lasered off that doofus is 10 or 20 years older and can't take off his shirt for the shame.

Apologies. *when* that doofus....

one more time


Ha, assuming the red is from a texta (felt tipped pen), this actually kinda cool. Not as cool as a snake wrapped around a dagger, or having the cover of Appetite for Destruction on your chest, but still cool.

fail.

In the awesome stakes, the most awesome tattoo ever...

R.I.P. Ian Rilen, Pete Wells

Yes that is how tall Angry Anderson is.

the unicorn appears to be dazily leaping out of an awful looking vagina.

that unicorn is totally busting out that guy's ol arm..just tore a hole and went for it.


daaaang.

https://www.todayifeel.com/corndog-tattoo

(if you are at work i do not recommend clicking on that link, unless your employer enjoys naked bucktoothed indian women harassing corndogs in a vaguely sexual manner.)

Even worse is that it's from a painting, not just the creation of a sick mind, but one who saw it and thought "That is something I want permanently affixed to my body."

ew, does this unicorn have an almost inverted dick or a slightly protruding vagina?

That's a penis sheath. Most mammals have them. Having penises dangling about where they can get caught in the shrubbery is pretty much a primate thing.

ew, does this unicorn have an almost inverted dick or a slightly protruding vagina?



I'm not sure anything can compare to the cat guy, though.

i win.


:(

Man I am never lookin at King Triton the same way again.





is so lol



i love her little abercrombie shorts and how it decimates any amount of irony i was going to grant her.

also,



pictures of penis tattoos are basically all that's in My Documents.

Let me preface this by saying I know my opinion means absolutely nothing to this person. She is probably happy about the following.

This is a tit I will NEVER place any part of my body next to, other than by accident in a crowded place.

Yecch!

A-jibblie-jibblie-jibblie

yo sje, i'm really sorry about all the nakedness and the penisness. i saw your post about not wanting to see gross tattoo pictures anymore (most of which were put up by me) so i won't do it anymore, k? here, i'll even take off the ones that you didn't like (lamed) so you won't have to see them anymore, k? please don't cry or think Funeral Thoughts, k? i would hate myself forever.

...huuugs?

I never got to see them :-(

*crying*
Well, I don't want everybody else to miss out. I mean, these people are my friends and I want to to look at all this grownup stuff, and I don't want them mad at me, but I also don't want Jesus mad at them.
*hugs back*

They really did a number on you, little guy.

what is going on here, what is this? Is it a penis wrapped around a nipple? How does that even begin to make sense? Giger looks at this, he just shakes his head and makes a scoffing noise.

that is riDICKulous.

You misspelled it.
I believe it's spelled "rEdickulous".
Or at least that is what Facebook tells me.

It is riCOCKulous.

Unabashedly riPRICKulous.

Completely rePENISulous.

It is riCUNTulous without precedent.

Incredibly reBUMulous.

y'all's game is patently reTAINTulous

That insult is so riPEEPEEulous of you.

I think the fact that some people are spelling it with an 'e' and not an 'i' is utter riPOOPulous.

Remember: "Worthy of, or relating to, ridicule"

RiCOMMUNISTulous.

Somewhat riBARBARASTREISANDulous.

You win.

Looks like something from Cho Aniki .

Man, talk about crossing the streams...

You people are gonna get me fired.

What do you mean, "you people"?

Oh, just Falsey and his kind. Those people. You know, kind of like..... THE MOTHERFUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!

OK, I promise never to say anything political here ever again, but I have a warm, tingly, jelly-like feeling, and it's not just beer.

Congratulations my fellow Americans! We magically, just all of the sudden don't suck as bad as we did this morning.

I love how that works.

i cried a little bit.

kinda like the feeling you get watching the end of Return of the King.

"My friends...you bow to no one."

Dennis Kucinich as Frodo.

McCain as Saruman?

Too harsh. After his surprisingly graceful concession speech, I'd tend more toward Boromir.

We all some nerds.

is sarah palin a balrog?

well considering as the balrog is mostly a gimick, yes.

I was thinking of her as Wormtongue, but perhaps that would be more fitting for whatever advisor made McCain choose her.

I damn near fell asleep at the end of Return of the King. It was the movie which refused to end. Enough of that damned stoned-looking hobbit already!

I am entertaining a thought of applying for citizenship now. Been living here for the past ten years and I see a brighter, better America.

Don't be in any hurry. The fact that the center-right technocrat who just won the election is half black is not without historic importance. But it is not at all in the cards that we will see major shifts of policy. Give it six to twelve months before bothering with all that paperwork, until you can see whether 'better and brighter' proves to be more than a cosmetic makeover, whether the new regime is simply a smoother, more polished form of imperial management.

Center-right is a hell of a lot further to the left than what we've been living under for the last eight years; that we'll see some changes is essentially a matter of course.

Your optimism is charming. I hope you are not too disappointed with the reality. Again, the point is whether the changes will be more than cosmetic. In my view, from the perspective of politics and policy, Obama is just another neoliberal white guy, albeit one who is less melanin-challenged than most.

The last eight years have been a horror show without doubt. The Bush regime has been like one long butt rape without lube. The Obama regime will more likely use KY and a condom, and may have some creepy idea that it was actually a 'date'. So I suppose we'll end up grateful, don't you think?

I guess what we take from this is, you can please some of the people some of the time, but you can never please the patronising leftist dicks.

Sure you can. I am quite often pleased, and by a great many things. I'm sorry you think it mean and patronizing of me to try to damp down some of the entirely misplaced euphoria that has greeted Obama's anointing. A New World didn't greet the dawn on Movember 5, and it won't on January 20. If I'm a prick for saying so, so be it. I won't quarrel with the description leftist in the least. I took the name RedPhillip because of more than my hair color.

Movember:
Mo' votes,
mo' problems.

Mo' votes mo' bitches.

Yes we can.

Dude! That is exactly what this whole fucking charade is about. The last 40 years the United States, that is her manifold corporate lackeys, have, under cover of darkness and deniability been doing most of the nasty, self-centered shit on this planet. The bloodbath in Iraq is the culmination and is so "out" that pretty much the whole world hates us now. Only! Only!!!! Only what? Oh, look at the "land of the free!" (tm) They actually elected a black man president. Oh what a wonderful thing! Oh joy. Oh happy day. So they are not really Mordor like we all thought.

Tricks!

Psst! Wanna buy some fine Afgani number 4? OK. How many tons?

Afghan rugs or dogs?

rugs, drugs, and OIL

I...there is even a penis eel . Remind me not to go swimming in the ocean. I don't think I could take hugely becocked Mr. Clean Mermen swimming about. I would be so startled.

Does that unicorn have a slightly inverted penis or a slightly protruding vagina? ...Either way the colors are pretty amazing.

The really bad part is that it emerges from the worst-looking vagina in the world.

Give the poor gal a break, a unicorn came out of there!

I mean, talk about the magic of birth.

Extra credit for the unicorn being anatomically correct

That unicorn's genitals are... oh shit, I don't know WHAT they are...

I will be the second to admit that I have no idea what the last panel is referring to.

Seriously, Onstad. You're right to assume, or demand, that your readers are well-versed in the things that exist in the world, but I'm British. Should I wrack my brains trying to insult any cultural reference that hasn't already been explained to me by The Simpsons?

Insult? What?

*understand

Also, would anyone seriously get themselves a tattoo for their wife's birthday. Unless, like, they get a mirror image of their desired tattoo printed on the palm of their hand and then race back home before the ink dries and press really hard on their wife's upper arm while yelling "Surprise!"

(I have a very poor understanding of the logistics of tattoos.)

Maybe his wife is salt.

I'm sorry, I haven't slept.

That would make him Lot.

Brits don't get jokes based on The Bible.

They have Darwin on their money.

2009 = 150 anniversary of On the Origin of Species

Fascistliberalsocialistcommunistatheist

It is bad to be an atheist because God doesn't like atheists.
That is why I am not an atheist.

God hates suck ups.

No, we get told those terrifying, terrifying stories as children.

I was absolutely fucking haunted by the story of Lot's wife. All she did was look back! That's all she did! I don't think God had a particularly well thought out justice system back in those days.

Things were tougher back then. You kids have no idea....

To be fair to God, he did say NOT to look back.

God doesn't need a good reason to be a shit in the Old Testament. Just look at the story of Job. "This dude's my most faithful follower. Think I'll take away everything that makes him happy. Take that you brown-noser!"

His only excuse is "The Devil told me to," which is a bit weird for God.

Oh, God. You shit.

God, you big kidder you.

Even better, Satan dared him to do it. Cosmic practical joke on Job.

Satan: God's mean older brother?

In the O. T., Satan was oftentimes a mouthpiece. Just one of the help.

My take is He mumbled it real fast.

It is okay to let your daughters get gangraped, but if you turn your head . . . .

I love what Vonnegut has to say about that in Slaughterhouse Five. Something along the lines of she just did the natural human thing and he loved her for that.

Oooooh. Yeah. The end of the first chapter. I like Vonnegut because of moments like that.

I need to read more of him.

And something tells me we've already had this discussion.

I have to read some Christian apologetic books sometime too. I feel one-sided and biased.

Yeah, I feel like I had this conversation with someone, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was you.

I started it last time by saying I thought Vonnegut was overrated.

Vonnegut is NOT overrated.

He is the greatest writer--nay--PERSON--who has ever lived.

Wow. How was that received? With deserved ridicule I hope.

Well, ok I don't think I said he was overrated I just said that he wasn't a good writer, like...I started with that and then I said that I just couldn't get into his work.

Wow.

Sorry for not liking the same authors as you.

To be fair, I kinda liked Cat's Cradle after reevaluation, but maybe I am just horrible because I do not like Slaughterhouse 5.

Yea, I despised Cat's Cradle when it was assigned to us as summer reading in 9th grade, but at that point I thought I was going to be a computer programmer. Then I went back and read it in college and it was rad.

I can't fucking believe that we don't like the same things, guitarhero. I just can't fucking believe it.

Wasn't it like, two comics ago? Really we shouldn't have forgotten so soon. Of course by "we" I am not included.

Two comics ago is like a month ago.
Sorry Mr. Onstad. I know I should be patient, but . .. . I miss my Achewood friends and I wasnt to see what new crazy adventures they are going to get themselves into.

Give Onstad a break. He is on tour.

ON TOUR '

Seriously, how rad is that? I would love to be on tour.

A touring production of the Mikado, starring me as the Lord High Everything Else. That would be fucking awesome!!!

It would be way cool if Onstad stopped in Tulsa on his way to Austin. I could get my copy of GOF autographed. That would be the most awesomest.

I am content to give another few days or a week or so for the next comic. HE IS ON TOUR!

I know. I'm sorry. I'm a selfish person.
:(

We've already proven that if he stopped in Tulsa (or any other Okie watering hole) he would find more fans than the rest of the world combined. This is a matter of public record at this point.

Since we're all just sitting here waiting for something to happen that ain't gonna happen, let me ask a question which there may not be an answer to - how did there come to be so many Oklahomans on assetbar? Do you all know each other? I mean, for just being a random Midwestern state there are just a crazy concentration of you. I am also in a random Midwestern state and in my year plus of perusing these boards I've encountered maybe three or four fellow Missourians, one of whom is an actual person I know, and so does not count. Is it just that you all have more time on your hands, what with drinking being illegal there and everything?

Man. I swear, if I knew one person who was going, I would take that train to Boston. Dang.

It's so ironic that if I were home and not at school, I would closer to Brooklyn but most likely unable to go on my own, but now that I'm "free" at college, I can't because I'm farther away. I'm not even sure if that's irony but whatever.

None of us know each other in person. It is just a very strange coincidence.

It turns out that goodwillgirl was actually my sister.

(not really)

Yeah, I know all the Okie people here (and all the Kansans and most of the Texans), but none of them know me, and I don't think they know each other

I like to think of it as a cosmic joke on people who are sure that Achewood is the smartest and best of all possible webcomic, yet which has disproportionate fandom in what must be the stupidest of all States.

I don't think this is the stupidest of all states. I mean, think about, say, Arkansas, Alabama, the Dakotas...

Vermont.

Mississippi?

Winner?

Arkansas and Alabama are in the running, surely. Mississippi is up there as well, along with the Florida pan handle. West Virginia has some claim to the title.

But the Dakotas? I have never heard anything about the Dakotas, good, bad, or indifferent. It's like they are too boring for anyone to have an opinion about them at all.


(from https://www.defendingthetruth.com/off-topic/618-education-levels-state.html )
This is the quickest summary I could find. Kentucky looks pretty bad by this measure.

The Appalachian states have to be the worst. That means Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, and tiny parts of Ohio and Pennsylvania, but VERY tiny parts.

Very nice map you found there. I'm happy I'm in one of the whitest parts of Oklahoma (take that as you will). I suppose you will tend to find bastions of better reading skills in counties that have major universities in them though.

I fall in a decidedly light pink area of Kansas. Delicious.

If you look real close, we're actually in a white county.

I didn't think there was a white category, just light pink.

LIGHT PINK REPRESENT!!

Sorry. That was out of line.

Wow, what's up with the Rocky Mountain states?

Gun school.

Seriously. If you could conjure a demographic on the states where pawnshop and gunshop sales have been through the roof the past....3 days- you'd get an integral ignorance-quotient.

I'm in one of the few lightest color counties in Wisconsin, in a city (Madison) where 52.6% of the adults have a B.A. or greater, and 24.1% have a graduate or professional degree. One gets used to everyone being smart. It's nice.

I do not think Oklahoma is the stupidest of States. I think there is a cosmic joke being played on people who think that.

Maybe all these posters are from Mississippi - which the internet has proved is the least-sparkling US state to invite to dinner parties.

The way I see it is thusly:

1. We are in Oklahoma. It's not like we have a lot else going on.

2. We are more likely to bitch about where we live, since we live in Oklahoma.

3. We live in Oklahoma. We take what we can get.

4. We live in Okla-fucking-homa.

That probably covers most of it. I'll let you know if anything else occurs to me.

5. The achewood hipness-magnetism homing factor.

In my case, may be due for a hipness replacement. Or not.

also, I'm neu here. Pleas' t'meetcha, ya'll.

Howdy. Sure 's shit glad to have another 'neck round these parts. BoyITellYouWhat these yankees round here are frien'ly. Pull up over here an lemme show ya round the joint

YeeFuckinHaw, sure'n hail do thankye fur th' hospitality. An' speakin' of hail, you get any last night? Hail, I mean.
Don't know how many claims I can file for hail damage, but lak hail if I aint a-gonna find out!

Paul who is a ghost has something to say about your state.

I wish he would stop in SLC or Reno, or maybe even if he did come by my gasstation of a town... I would buy him so many meals.

Is there any Achewooder's in Florida?

Wendover? My liver is about 8 years older than the rest of me because of that town.

Elko.

So it goes.

The story of Lot is no worse than the story of Orpheus and Eurydice. It's no better, either, and makes one equate God with Hades. I agree that "don't look back" is a particularly asinine, arbitrary and vindictive rule that doesn't seem to be based on the idea of "testing faith" so much as "enforcing the doctrine of divine schadenfreude."

"enforcing the doctrine of divine schadenfreude."

I like that. I like that a lot.

You are now number 17 on my I would have chbbied but I am out list.

don't worry man, i have a thousand of those fucking things.

Either that or someone else who married a pillar of who knows WHAT kind of spice!

That's right. I finally get your avicon. That's right. He is Gomorrah-ing. Oh yes.

It is stating that the area in the venn diagram where they share this interest is vacant and generic random name "Bob Giacominello" is a real estate salesman with the RE/MAX real estate company looking to sell this unused property.

Dang, man, I didn't even think of that! Thank you for helping this horrible man realize what the strip was saying.

Oh my shit. I thought it just meant the only space there is just an advertisement. Kudos deznufaufducoscsocme. Whatever.

Thank you for making an at-first incomprehensible joke incredibly entertaining. I was thinking venn diagrams when I should've been thinking more literally. A chubby for you.

I'm surprised so many people didn't get that.

It was the RE/MAX that threw me. I am unfamiliar with this term.

Dezufnocosem: He Came To Teach Us Things

They are that real estate company that always puts ads on the shopping carts at your local supermarket. Or does everyone here just shop at Whole Foods?

Not my local stupormarket, they don't. It is a local shop, for local people, there is nothing for you here!

I think it's mostly a product of not being in America.

They are also here in Scotland. They operate on commission. They never sell anything because nobody reads their advertisement newspaper thing. All the photographs of their salespersons have a lean, hungry, and desperate look.

OK, I am COMPLETELY lost on that last panel.

...And then I read the post just above. I get it now. When Onstad comes to Harvard Square this week I may be forced to tell him that joke was way high-risk low-payout. And he will probably tell me to jam it up my ass. It will be the greatest day of my life.

He will probably just jam it up your ass.

It will be the greatest day of his life.

Extremely high-risk, sublimely high payout*

*hidden fees may apply

way to pick up on that dangling asterisk.

Did I leave that thing out again? Shit, my mom is gonna kill me.

This comic is riddled with continuity errors.

This comic is riddled with continuity liberties.

Liberties are comic continuity riddles.

Dang Ray the ladies will be all up ons you with that sweet barbed wire

AVATAR COMMENT COMBO.

feldspar

Aww yeah some right-angle cleavage up ins

To avoid fuxin up the BBCode, I will just give you a link.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Shobbs/halfway.jpg

That was halfway done, its all finished now. Wrap around so you can't see it in one picture.

How very interesting, because I am now made entirely of tin.

a 5 for the carbon tatoo.

I thought of another tattoo I would get: A picture of Dane Cook under some gun crosshairs with "Never 4give, never 4get" in that gangster lettering.
Or maybe "Not on my watch". Or "Bad luck Chuck!"

I feel that needs to be photoshopped, but I'm not competent.

If I could post that horrible Sergeant Pepper's photoshop, or that very clever Yes Deer one, then you can photoshop this.
It is allowed.

I would never want to put a picture of someone I hate or disrespect on my body, even if it were done with implied or explicit violence.

If I don't like someone, I hardly want to be reminded of him.

But sometimes a person, or event, or a time in history is so heinous that we have a duty to remember it so that it may never happen again.
Dane Cook Day: Lest we forget.

Tough Luck, Chuck!

Can I take your integral?
I'd like to know the area under your curve.

Doesn't a barbed wire band on the upper arm mean you have Hepatitis?

So...uh...Fuck You...Monday?

Somebodies got a case of the Fuck You Mondays!

Beef is a dick in that last panel. It's the way he says he disapproves of Ray's choice in women. He doesn't say that Ray likes the wrong kind of women - he says that Ray doesn't like the same kind of woman he does. First, that is arrogance , but second, he should know better: if his Best Friend liked the same kind of woman, then his Best Friend could be attracted to his Wife, at which point Circumstances would step in and arrange a terrible affair with which to destroy his marriage.

Ray would not do that to Beef.

Ray is rad. That is something Showbiz would do, not Ray .

Plus I don't think that Beef is being a dick. He is just pointing out that, despite being bffls, they really have nothing in common.

Nah I think Beef has hit upon something important. This is my problem too - I give girls too much credit and assume that they are smarter or more dignified than they are. And it's not even so much that I wouldn't be attracted to stupid girls, it's more like I have no idea how to talk to them.

Example: I am at a party and somehow inexplicably I have ended up talking to this fairly attractive girl. So we are going through all the introductory "oh who do you know here/ where did you go to school" crap and she asks me what I do, so I say I'm in grad school, and she asks in what. Wanting to avoid a lengthy explanation of my interdisciplinary program with an 11-word title, I simply say "Humanities". At which point there is a five-second pause after which she says:

"Oh... so you're like... a humanitarian?"

And I'm just thinking "ok you're hot, but I seriously have no idea how to continue this conversation". I don't even remember what I answered, I may have just mumbled something and walked away.

The correct response is 'Oh yeah baby, I'm a humanitarian, and I'm gonna parachute a large consignment of some highly nutritious um... emergency rations right nearby you.'.

It is a metaphor for coming on her face.

I'm not sure it's altogether better that their eyes just glaze over when you say "Computational Mathematics".

---- haiku time
Never fear, my dear
I'm a computational
mathematician

The trick to impressing sluts with math skizzles is never saying math. Just say the area you use your math to pleasure. I for instance, am a "Wall Street person" or "Quantitative Financier". This gets trim. Saying that I program computers and study stochastic analysis would make their vagoos grow teeth.

This was another installment of "Hedonismbot's guide to getting you fucked despite all your problems".

I extend my lithe tentacles deep underground, searching for that sweet spot in the earth.

And then I milk it.


I think this'll only get me gay propositions.

On the other hand, it's better than both "mathematician" and "oil driller"

So what you are saying is, when I pull my pocket periodic table out of my wallet, it is actually driving the women off ?

Fuck.

Been doing it wrong for YEARS .

sometimes i doubt that dudes even want a smart lady. i mean, maybe you want one who knows a bit of literature or art history, but when a lady comes up to you and cold solves an OLS regression problem by hand faster than you can type it into stata, you'd just be all "dang that was awesome, but i do not wish to date this lady."

the odds of her putting out on the first date go down exponentially each time she says something about whatever the hell it was that you gave as an example.

There are diagrams and charts for this kind of thing, you know. Bits and pieces and, bits and pieces and.

She'll kill me for saying this but my girlfriend put out on the third day of us meeting IRL. And she's smart.

And she's smarter than me.

Where's that animated GIF of Charlie Sheen clapping sarcastically?

I should clarify a bit, as taken the wrong way my comment would be a tad sexist. The key thing here is that it is targeted at sluts. Dumb skanks looking to put out in exchange for standing next to a cool guy. There is a certain wink and nod among guys that specifies whether we are talking about speed-lays or actual women we want to date and treat as equals. A real woman should be impressed by math skills. A slut is impressed by making lots of money.

If I were trying to impress you daedala, I would discuss the difference between Ito stochastic calculus, and Malliavin stochastic calculus. And then I would show you my gigantic manhood. (And then I'd probably chain you in my basement for a month, but that would be after the makeouts and wine)

A woman is needink up to ten minutes of makeouts before the chainink.

"how does that feel, baby, does that feel good?"

"ooooh that feels stochastic! "

hey, i didn't realize wall street was in oklahoma.

A company or two found out that if you offer a good Wall Street salary to Okies, you get the pick of the litter out of all graduates. Also they found that due to the fact we generally only commute 5 minutes, they can get a 12 hour work day out of us.

12 hours isn't so bad. i was looking at i-banking jobs in manhattan that are 16 hour workdays, at least for the first year. you bring a pillow and snooze at the desk. that or do two grams of blow off a stripper's taint. and at that point you just gotta ask yourself, for a starting salary of $50k plus bonuses, i'm basically just working two full time jobs, is this really worth it?

"That or do two grams of blow off a stripper's taint" is now pinned to my wall.

The Black Wall Street was in Tulsa, but they burned it down.

I will refer you to my chart seen here .

This brings to mind a blonde, screechy-Brooklyn-accent type, like Adelaide in Guys and Dolls.

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And then they get a new tattoo that says "Suckin' dick paid for this tatoo remov...oh wait..."

Man you hate a lot of things don't you? You seem like the kind of guy that posts frequently on those right-wing blogs with angry names.

He is not a humanitarian.

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Stereotypes are a real time saver.

So wait, you prefer girls... who AREN'T into fucking?

That's basically the biggest generalization ever. I know girls who smoke and are into tattoos that AREN'T completely into fucking.

Plus, you don't abbreviate tattoo tatts you idiotic motherfucker .

You also sound like a complete moron calling them cigs.

Lay off. Chances are good that he is some kid trying to pass himself off as thirty six. Best leave him be.

"Completely" is the operative word here.

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if you see a girl with tatts and she smokes, you know she is into fucking. she's loose. period. there are no exceptions to this rule.


SHE MIGHT EVEN LEZ OUT!!

Seriously, this guy is like Showbiz or Todd, but without the good times.

I have to agree, however, that although tattoos aren't always a reliable indicator of the trashiness of the wearer, they always look trashy. I have never seen a tattoo that I liked. They all look horrible and they all make the person look stupid, regardless whether the person is or not.

I can't wait until the next strip comes up so that I do not have to look at these pictures anymore. Gross.

hey sje, i'm so sorry for making you look at gross photos. if you look again, i've taken everything that i uploaded down. there's one that i used from a website, which i can't remove, but at least she has clothes on. please don't hate me, k?

You were correct to take down the picture of your credit card.

But you should not have taken down the other pictures. Just don't go there*.

*Speaking as someone who went there once. But my picture was a really gross picture of a deformed baby.

Dude, I think he's joking. Think about it, which is worse: being the girl who posted a bunch of mildly disturbing tattoo pics, or the girl who posted pics that were so disturbing she had to remove them and now you're imagining that she posted all sorts of furry pr0n and such.

sje, are you joking? are you in character? someone else can answer for him. i need to know this. i am a good person.

Put the pictures back if you can.

Don't worry about any other part of it.

You especially need to put the pictures back that I commented on.

Because without the pictures, my witty rejoinders have no context!

you mean when you said "A-jibblie-jibblie-jibblie"?

Among other things, yes.

I ham a good egg!

I don't hate you.

Were . . .were those pictures of you?

Pretty much I was afraid that my roommie wouldn't look over and catch me looking at nudity. And also, there could be kids here who live with their parents, etc.
I'm just not used to nudity on Assetbar, is all. I don't mind the nudity so much, but you know . .. .
You can keep them up.

yes. they were pictures of me. all of them.

i didn't realize assetbar was a no nudity type of establishment. plus like, how is a picture of a tattood penis with ladies lickin it any more appropriate than a picture of a tattooed penis on a lady's boom booms?

i.. i took them down so i can't put them up again. i'm still not really sure what to make of you, sje. you all made me start thinking about how i'd make a bad mother, though this is probably still the case.

I really didn't like either of those tattoos.

*hugs!*
You'd make a wonderful mother!

Awwwww...

I think we are maybe pro nudity here on the Assetbar. I am pro awesome.

I'm radically pro-awesome.

And awesomely pro-radical.

are you pro kate as well?

i am pro comment.

I would describe myself as a fan.

I would describe myself as a 6' brunette with gorgeous blue eyes.

And here I am in my wizard hat and robes...

It's a shame that you'd get such a negative impression of someone just because they have tattoos. I love seeing people with really well done tattoos. I think there are definitely a higher proportion of low quality to high quality tattoos, though, just because they've become popular so now there are many people who almost seem to care more about the experience and having a crazy story to tell than the quality of the work. Or those who get them to look tough, cool, or sexy.

I have my tattoo because it makes me look seven. I have a rocket ship on my right calf, it is so awesome.

Really, because most women I know who have tattoo(s) and smoke are actually pretty much strictly into lezzing. Big ol' bicep tattoos of Melissa Ethridge with a Virginia Slim out the corner of her mouth.

That makes me feel all tingly.

You got lamed for saying "Showbiz and Todd" like their somehow equivalent. Showbiz is a creepy user. Todd is a visionary and philosopher. Shame!

*they're* gahhh!

That's one of the worst "you got lamed for" posts I've seen. What's the matter, run out of chubbies to give and just feel the need to push a button like an idiot?

I fucked both your mothers.

Holds out porridge bowl devoid of chubbies- "Please, Sir. May I have s'more?"

He's right guys. When I see a girl, my first thought is whether I would hire her to do detailed technical work... IN BED .

(For your benefit, imagine the last part being read in a McBain accent)

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seriously,, you ever see a late teens / early 20's girl walk into a convenience store in the late afternoon wearing pajamas and slippers and they DON'T have tatts?

Yes.

Yes I have.

Literally hundreds of times.

do you know how many birthdays there are in a year? hundreds. literally hundreds.

Spirit journey formation anniversaries, please.

THERE ARE DOZENS OF US.

Actually, I must qualify that statement.

They have had no visible tats. I didn't get all under their clothes and search them.

Maybe you should.

There were several of them that I tried to inspect up close. But somehow I could never make it happen. Maybe it was my Pocket Periodic Table, as I learned in another part of this discussion.

Or the fact that I am 25 years older than they are.

I dunno.

For reasons that seem to me entirely unreasonable, I have often found that being old enough to be their father/uncle somehow deters many young men from taking off their clothes for me. I don't have a periodic table anywhere to hand, but I do geek out on systematic botany from time to time. But still, it's really just unreasonable , no matter the excuse.

Same goes for younger women *sigh*
However, I did live with a woman 12 years my junior when I was in my early 30s, and she's my babymomma.

I will sir, I will do that for you.

Well, zapatitos lindos, it depends on where you do it. Taking off your clothes is always a fine thing, but if I am not present to enjoy the process and the result, my appreciation for your gesture will be somewhat lacking. For your fine spirit of adventure, and for your willingness to humor old coots, I chubby you. I chubby you vigorously.

Once my director gets his website working, I'll let you know. He's going to be so jealous to hear there's more "competition" out there. Its cute but odd when he talks that way, as I'm not gay.

I just like to make money.

For the taking off of clothes it matters nothing how you define your sexuality. For little else, actually (I speak from long experience in Science). If it will tease him and make him more amenable to whatever your plans and desires may be, by all means use my 'competition' with him to your advantage.

I respect a man's need to pay his way. Fixed income pensioner that I am, paying for the assuredly pleasant experience of your disrobing will be impossible. I blow all my money on Achewood. Silly me! I could be buying naked boys! Or at least pictures!

Or at least pictures.

That's true. With naked boys one is usually renting. When I buy pictures I go for the moving kind. Solos are boring, though, even when the boy in question is exceptionally 'talented' whether in skill or attributes.

What if he were juggling flaming chainsaws in one hand, and jerkin' a flaming chainsaw in the other?

I'd get Cirque de Soleil on the horn, that's what.

Should the lad try to jerk a flaming chainsaw I'd think it would be the last jerking with that hand, ever. But you're thinking, trying to find an act that will set you apart from the crowd, and that's a good thing.

If anyone else just thought of a Robert Frost poem, they should worry that their mind works in the same way as mine sometimes.

Yaays?

My first thoughts are, "i hope she doesnt try to rob me." That would be terrible.

I heard it as Zap Brannigans voice..

Incidentally, that was my costume for this Halloween. Velour and everything. About one in twenty got it. Wifeybot was even Leela, and I got to make horrible proposals to her all evening. I would post a picture, but I'm pretty awful looking, so there will be no pictures

Reooow! Nice costume. I'm too friendly to give this the proper response. The gentleman who introduced me to Achewood (and no, I didn't blow him in an airport) was Dr. Venture last year. It was uber sexy.

"I am the man with no name. Zapp Brannigan."

Brannigan gets the best lines.

"If we destroy the mothership, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!"

I find the most erotic part of the woman is the boobies

"Have the boy lay out my formal shorts."

"The boy, sir?"

"You! You lay out my formal shorts!"

"She's built like a bistro, but flies like a steakhouse."

I will admit with great pride that this is a meme among my friends.

"Have the boy freshen my scotch"
"Who?"
"YOU! You freshen my scotch"

At this point he pretty much has to go freshen my scotch

Oh, that is truly the limit!

Pictures pwease?
Pwease?

C'mon! Pics or it didn't happen.

Man you are just begging for loneal to come back and rip you a new one

Electric Six has a song, it is a mantra. Infected girls do it better.

Don't you wanna know how I keep startin' fires?

Is it your desire?

ITS MY DESIRE

So...you wait on hold for hours to tell radio morning shows that barbers make too much money, don't you?

i like how he doesnt even sy when the next update will be

A lesson is learned...

Hasn't gotten that bad yet.

I was just thinking that for some people the body is a temple and for some it's the wall of a public restroom.

V chub.

As someone who plans on using his body as a wall of a public restroom, have a chubbu.

You aren't by any chance a fundamentalist Christian, btw?

I only ask because at the church I used to go to I heard so many arguments against getting tattoos because "your body is a temple" yet the argument came from a guy who routinely broke the law by driving way over the speed limit and also did "inappropriate" things to his girlfriend.

Did he touch her . . .her . . I don't want to swear. :(

(boobies?)

I'm guessing. I hated the guy because he was a grade A hypocrite.

For some it is both, and at the same time. Just ask those for whom the most transcendent experiences are summed up by the droll euphemism 'water sports.'

as an organic chemist, i saw the 4th panel and said, "YES, I AM TOTALLY GETTING THAT." luckily, i was not reading this right outside of a tattoo parlor, thus giving me the precious 4 seconds i needed to realize that it would be mad stupid. mad stupid .

It's 8:35 a.m. Central, and I want to be on record predicting an Obama win. Good luck, black guy, you'll need it.

He's got it bagged methinks.

Of course the Antichrist is going to win the election.

Whoa huge slam on Bob Barr out of nowhere.

Man you really went out on a limb there huh

I'll reach out the the far end of the limb myself.

McCain will win our state.

Mine too. Just a guess.

2:1. McCain will win in our proud state, Retardistan. But I will vote anyway.

Which state, specifically?

Retardistan, apparently.

Retardistan, the state so retarded it doesn't exist

Retardistan? Sounds a bit... Muslim .

Oklahomistan

Oklahoma? More like Okla- homo . Amirite?

Okay, that didn't even make sense.

Hey, don't disrespect my state!

Wait.

On second thought...

The only reason Texas doesn't fall off into the Gulf of Mexico is that Oklahoma sucks!!!

Oklahoma went 66:34 or 2:1 for McCain. Retardistan. Not even Alaska with its mighty 3 votes went that high.


and wtf is Oklahoma Amirite? Some mica strata formation God put in the Arbuckles to screw with our people's tiny pin heads?

It seeps into the rural water supply and makes people Really Fucking Stupid

McCain will win the state I am in, no question. His red squares will sweep under my feet scouring my flesh. All my collegiate colleagues who might vote for Obama are too lazy to vote. But Obama will win my actual state of residence.

In my state, the most political state in the nation (supposedly) Obama is expected to win by approx. 11 points.

Impressive for a Republican state.

What state?! Florida?!!

sje, do you live in FLORIDA?!!?!?!

Try a little further north.

And by a little, I mean a lot.

I totally forgot, sorry.

I was just wondering because I live in Florida.

No, that's fine.
I always wanted to visit your fine state, by the way. It's too cold up here.

Oh yea I just read an article about two small NH towns that only have 115 residents between them, and get everyone to the polls from midnight to 11 am, so they have 100% turnout and the earliest results in the country. Obama won in both.

Dixville Notch?
Yeah. They did the same thing on the primary day. I stayed up for it. Obama won too (I forget for the Republican). Unfortunately Clinton won for the entire state, despite the polls.

That town sounds like a porn name

They have a sister city in Belicious St. Coxx.

My favorite thing about the presidential race this year is, no matter the outcome, tens of millions of people will be certain it signals the end of the republic.

I wonder if some people will actually admit they were wrong if after four or six years Obama hasn't taken away their Bibles, forcibly converted everyone to Islam, and turned the country into a Communist dictatorship? Or will they simply chalk it up to their brave vigilance that these things haven't happened "yet"?

You don't know the power of faith, man.

Faith, lies, self deception... whatever.

(I am anti-religion too.)

I'm not really anti-religion, I'm more Pro Logic. I am a company which produces computer software?

Religion begins where logic ends. Have faith, brother.

When I think Logically, I realize that the bible is infallible.

Logic is a religion.

Non-sequiturs are a religion.

butter on the toast

Your mom is a religion

When I hear people say this (people say this a lot around me), I feel bad for those poor souls.

Logic is the opposite of religion. IT is not a religion. We do not take the rules of rationality on faith. This does not justify taking God on faith. Especially since the "religion" of science does not force probably incorrect morals on others.

That's not even the point. Anyone who parrots the mantra "logic is just another religion" should try living without logic for a day and then get back to me.

I'm really not too committed to arguing on the Internet... Short version, of course logic has nearly-immeasurable practical value. The game is rigged because the only accepted way to argue is logically, and when one debunks logic with logic, well, that is kind of silly. But logic is slippery and fallible and shifts with worldview. The common western academic construction of logic most of us would utilize is necessarily limited. Basically what I want to say is that logic cannot explain everything and privileging it before other perspectives is unfair and comparable to the way religion functions, i.e. forcing probably incorrect morals on others. Don't think science and logic have all the answers? Pshaw, sir, you are a fool!
Re: living without logic for a day: do more psychedelics. Also, I will pass on a witty rejoinder, but I was unaware that logic as a religion was a parroted mantra. I would find it difficult to believe that this is more common than the notion that science and logic rule all. Guess it depends on your department?

If conventional science and logic don't have the answers, you can probably at least find the reasoning behind the question in human psychology.

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Short version, of course logic has nearly-immeasurable practical value.

Logic is all there is. I don't even think the world can exist without logic. Quote:
and when one debunks logic with logic, well, that is kind of silly.
Which is what you're trying to do?
Logic is, by definition, not slippery at all, and I don't see how it can shift with world view. "If P then Q, therefore if Q then P" is NOT true in America. Are you saying it could be true in China?
The notion that science and logic rule all. I don't even understand what this means. Science is a process, first of all. How can it rule? And logic is the study of the principles of reality. A study can't rule. A process and a study can't hold any answers either, only the people can, and if they don't now, doesn't mean they can't.
My point was, basically, that the world will always act in a rational way, and it will regardless whether humans are alive or not. It ain't no religion, son. Religion is belief in faith, and faith involves accepting a conclusion without any proof, and accepting the conclusion even if something contradicts it.
Now, when people say that science involves faith, then I often don't know what to say. You accept that the future is going to be like the past, which I believe Hume said is illogical. Will, it certainly isn't irrational like religion is. Valuing science brings progress to oneself and to society as a whole. Following religion stagnates us, and takes us away from our goals by distracting us with other, fake goals.



Oh, look, I have no more chubbies. The Scouts member in me is scowling and fingering his pocket knife.

Ew dude I don't care what goes on in your bedroom as long as you keep it there.

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sje46: Logic is all there is. I don't even think the world can exist without logic.


Well, thanks for clearing that up. I think you've got a pretty airtight religion there yourself, Assetbar Philippe. Tough choice between yours and the other Philippe's worldview.
He has a blanket, you have a blanket statement view.
Maybe, instead of being snarky, I should have just asked you for your definition of logic, since you seem to imply it has sentience or at least motivating force.
But snark,....well, I don't think the world can exist without snark.

Although it seems unlikely that Philippe will ever leave the age of five, it seems very evident that he is a very intelligent boy, and his worldview would be one which embraces anything that promotes happiness, and would, hopefully, reject anything that stagnates progress and happiness, like what the contemptable meme of religion does. I do not believe that I am speaking with snark, but confidence. Logic is not a religion . .. logic and science do not accept any beliefs, because they are processes, and processes simply can not do this. Neither do the two mandate any sort of behavior. Quote:
1 a (1): a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning
. All it is is a study, as science is the process of gathering information. I do not believe that I meant to imply that either have any sort of consciousness or should force us to do anything. All I am saying is that overall they mean only good things for humanity, unless science is abused to make bad technology. It is far from anything resembling religion--or at least supernaturalism (because I have no idea what the heck Buddhism is). What I meant by the quoted statement is misleading. I meant that if we do not accept logic--that is, we act in such a way that does not follow reason--then we have nothing. We need logic in order to make sense of the world, and to know what to do next.
Basically, all I am saying is that science is not a faith, but a process, and that such a claim should not be used to justify belief in any type of supernaturalism or unfounded moral principles. If you really want to call humanism a religion, fine. Just don't put it on the same level as any belief system that only promotes itself and impedes human progress.
I am sorry for the snark; I just feel passionately for things.
That said:
*HUUUUUGGGGSSS!!!!*

I'm just shocked that nobody has brought up the fact that even fundamental logic is not provably self-consistent. Usually the Incompleteness people jump all over these discussions

This post is a lie.

Oops. What I meant to say was, "Does a dog have buddha nature?"

Wu.

Three pounds of flax.

Why are we so erudite.

^ What he said. except it translates as "wuuf!"

If you have ice cream I will give you some.
If you have no ice cream I will take it away from you.

Ze kleine Otter, who is funf, has ein complicated Weltanschauung. Ach.

You're English is suspiciously German sounding.

Or maybe mein German is a bit Inglisch sounding.

P.S. Your*

The last sequence of posts caused me to have flashbacks to Twelve Monkeys. This is a good thing, Y/N?

Y

The movie, or the song?

Hmmm. Depends. How far back did you flash back? To when you were a kid with your mom in the airport?

Was Madeleine Stowe so hot in that movie it made your teeth hurt? God, I'm glad I still have teeth.

We need CASH, James!

Yes, Madeleine is time-jumpin' hot.

You were doing fine, son, really fine, until your last sentence:
[quote]Following religion stagnates us, and takes us away from our goals by distracting us with other, fake goals.[/i]
For me, religion is a foundation for my goals, my moral code, and my concern for my fellow man. It does not have to battle science, it is all that is beyond the reach of science. The goal of living a holy life is not fake at all, it is a daily reality for billions.

Conclusion: [/i] does not create a quote box.

I'm not positive what you are saying here. Religion--supernaturalism--conflicts with science in that, well, it causes people to believe that the earth is like 10,000 years old instead of millions. It all depends on the religion we are discussing, of course, and how orthodox the person is, that is, how brainwashed the person is. As far as I'm aware, most mainstream religions and denominations would not take science over faith, especially if science threatens a core belief.
Separate magistera (is that the right word?). That is, religion should be concerned with religious things and science should be concerned with scientific things, and the two should not have to interfere. Religion should deal with "the bigger questions". Like what? The meaning of life, what comes after life, etc. Well, why not use science and reason? It seems to point towards no afterlife (I believe) and with the meaning of life . .. I suppose you make your own. The point is that there is no reason to make up a being in order to have a reason to live. I don't know if science or reason can answer those big questions . .. but can religion? Is just making up an answer a good response? Wouldn't making up a pretend being to answer these question influence people to make up legends about the entity, and then to write books about the entity, in which the entity tells us what to do, and people believe these stories and go ahead living their lives by an incorrect moral code, committing real harm (see: crusades, spanish inquisition, 9/11)?
And by saying that science and religion should be separate, are you suggesting that science should stay not be able to attack religion, but do you expect me to believe that religion won't use science to its advantage? If they discover--through science--that Jesus lived, and Mary was a virgin, etc,, would the religious community just shrug and say "That's science . . .we don't care what it has to say . . ." Of course not! They'll run with it!
What I'm against is faith, especially faith in supernaturalism. I don't know if you have faith in supernaturalism. But if that is what you are basing your morals off, then I have to say that you are not justified. Sure, religion has a lot of good morals, but the problems lie in morals that no longer seem so logical, and new circumstances which Biblical peoples did not have to deal with, like birth control, and advances in science, which is starting to show that gays don't choose to be gay.
All I am saying is to base your moral code on something a little better than a book told you so, because you could be doing real harm.
If by leading a holy life you mean more of a spiritual life, then whatever. As long as your moral code is justified.

You're on your own here, sje. My quarrel with religion has never been that it brainwashes people or promotes war and intolerance, etc. I tend to think that sometimes, yes, but I also suspect that people can and will just as easily find other excuses to be shitty to each other. My main problem is just the sloppy cliches masquerading as logic that people use to justify it and to attack science as being no more valid. In that regard, I have just as much of a problem with trendy liberal 'spirituality' as I do with dogmatic Bible-thumping. At least the latter are somewhat consistent in their beliefs.

It's not that people are looking for excuses . . . it's that people are genuinely thinking that they are doing good when they are not. Those terrorists actually thought they were doing a good thing on 9/11, because of how religion brainwashed them (I am reluctant to use that word, actually, but I don't know what else to use).
I prefer spiritualists because--although annoying--they are not consistent in their beliefs. That is, if anyone proves them wrong, they will change. They jump to weird conclusions sometimes only because they like them, but that's better than sticking with something and refusing to move on despite everything.

instead of brainwashed, use taught.

Yeah, but I'm reluctant to use that too, becaue I'm talking about an evil kind of taught.
Indoctrinated?

How about taught? Its not evil man, evil is subjective.

I don't know . . . .if a stabbed a random person, most people would agree that it is wrong. Emotivism . . . . but a lot of people would agree that muslim extremists are wrng, right?

Well there's caveats. I mean, almost every civilization on earth has a concept of murder. I think there a few tribes where there is so much harmony that no body has killed another person in thousands of years so it's possible that they don't have a concept of murder, but there's murder pretty much anywhere. But the definition of murder is pretty much "to kill someone unlawfully" which implies it is possible to kill someone lawfully (examples: self-defense, protecting others, and - to some - capital punishment). And some even define "lawfully" in different ways. For terrorists, it may be against the law to bomb a place, but they answer to a higher law, namely their God. And of course, many of the American revolutionaries believed they had a God-given right to wage a war of independence against Britain. And it's codified in the Declaration of Independence as a "self-evident" truth -- so you don't even have to look to religion for your higher law, because this truth will supposedly make itself apparent to any reasonable person, including atheists.

So the standards are nebulous and kind of weak on further review, but they are so widespread it is hard to find fault with them. I'm not necessarily an emotivist...I'd say I'm more an existentialist/constructionist when it comes to morality. I think morality isn't self-evident, because even though there's a lot of agreement, there's enough disagreement for the reasonability standard to be unreliable. But reasonable people do look beyond their mere emotions to make a more cerebral view of morality. There's no inherent meaning to existence, but to me, meaning is a free canvas. And we thereby make morality by reason and consensus.

you make a very convincing point. are there any books/authors you might recommend for me to follow up?

Wrong? It isn't right or wrong to just stab someone, it happened. If you stabbed someone, and a bystander said, "He just stabbed that guy!" that can be right or wrong based upon what transpired. Not, "He was wrong to stab that man." You may have been... unjust? I am not one to be held under such notions.

Muslim Extremists aren't wrong. They blew up the Trade Centers because they believed it was a way to acheive their goals. Their goal, if it were to kill thousands of people and ignite a panic, was succesful.

I am saying there is no right or wrong. Noone deserves anything, we are presented with opportunities and how we handle them is what makes us who we are.

Nihilism is fun!
I don't think you can say that no moral statement is correct. At least say it's a matter of opinion.

This is too much summation stuff, sje46. You think too much.

You know what the Buddha say, yes? "Quit thinking so much. Observe more, conclude less. Dis-opinionate, young Jedi."

Belief systems are for those who can only believe pre-set programs without questioning, for their own fear limits them from experiencing. In believing, therefore, they forfeit experiencing. Fear of life. A true system should enable the practitioner to be able to discard the system once its ideals are embedded. Drop the raft.

Ignore the cult of Christianity and relate to Christ. Forget the Buddhism and grok the Buddha. Who said this? Both said this.
They were about freedom, inner freedom, not political, and not about starting cults.
Where did Christ say piss on organized religion? Everywhere.

"Man was not made for the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for Man."

Well put.

I like most of what Jesus said, but I still won't believe that if he existed, he was the son of God.
But I hear what you're saying.
I don't know too much about Mr. Siddharta.

If you meet a man calling himself Buddha, kill him.

I almost posted that too.

It really does put it all into perspective.

I'm starting to lick these cones.

I mean like these koans.

Jesus is totally punk rawk.

Oh me, oh my! I still have a chubby swinging around. Glad to have you wise old people around, Scorp.

Well, well, well, as R.L. Burnside used to say. It's 6 days in now, that history was made in America, and this is turning out a very, very nice Monday,thank you hedonismbot, my wise young bro.

Little-known fact for sje: Gershwin didn't write this, Jesus did- Then somehow, it got shlepkied into the Gospels.

Its very clear-
Our love is here to stay
Not for a year,
but ever and a day

The radio
And the telephone
And the movies that we know
May just be passing fancies
and in time may go

But oh my dear-
Our love is here to stay
Together we're going
a long long way

In time, the Rockies may crumble
Gibraltar may tumble
They're only made of clay-

And come rain, sleet and drizzle,
You all still the shizzle-
Our love is here to stay...

God is Love.

Meh? What is this? It isn't bad.

It's too bad all religions get a bad rap because of a few nutty Creationists, because faith can be a wonderful thing and give meaning to life.

Honestly pogo I never pictured you for a Christian...

Quote:
Honestly pogo I never pictured you for a Christian

Like Augustine, I am a convert later in life, after much lust and debauchery. I'm taking Catholic lessons, in fact. I wanted the original recipe.

Original recipe for what?

Pogp:
Do you believe in the stories in the Bible, or do you just follow the basic morality of it?

This is a question that pushes the boundaries of politeness.

Pogo is pretty laid back, but many people would be offended by such a question.

I just felt compelled to say this, in my can't keep my nose out mode.

Pogo is, by his own admission, a relapsed debaucherite who was never convicted of a felony while serving in the White House.


I don't see how it is impolite. A lot of Christians don't believe in a lot of the stories in the Bible. Inform me what is so impolite about my question, please?

In the part of Flyover Country where I live, it's "A Whole Bible, not a bible full of holes."

In other words, every single word in the bible is the exact literal truth. If it is in the bible, then it happened exactly the way the bible specifies. Believing anything else is heresy. Questioning whether someone believes it literally is calling his faith into question, and therefore insulting him. It is calling him a "bad Christian." It is the height of effrontery.

I would walk up and steal food off of a stranger's plate before I would ask that person if he believed if the stories in the bible were literal truth or not.

It is like when a person takes offense when no offense is meant?
Those people are fools. Not for being Christian, but for taking offense where no offense was meant.

perhaps you should impose your morality on them so as to avoid such awkward situations in the future

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(you made a blanket statement calling people with a different point of view fools. i was rudely pointing out that you've contradicted yourself. i still like you, though.)

(I was calling them fools for taking offense, not for being Christian. They may bge fools for being Christian too, but that doesn't mean they're fools in general. Did I state that they were fools? I'm not sure. I'm confused. I like you too, though.)

It's like when a person takes offense when you question his fundamental view of the universe.

It doesn't matter if you mean offense or not. Nothing could be less relevant than that.

You have implied that what he believes in to the core of his being is nonsense. I can't see how that could not be offensive.

Imagine: Sje46 , emotivism is fake made up nonsense. You don't really take that stuff seriously, right? You know it is just stories told to put morals into context, right? You don't really believe it is really actually true , right?

Now, imagine someone saying that to you, when your entire life depends on emotivism. Not just your life, but your eternal soul, and where you spend the afterlife, and whether you are perpetually and unconditionally loved, and whether your life truly has meaning.

It wouldn't matter in the slightest what whether I meant to insult everything about you. I insulted everything about you.

Maybe they are fools. I am still going to avoid insulting them to the core of their being by questioning the relevance and veracity of their core beliefs.

Well, the fact remains that I didn't mean to insult them, so why should I be blamed?

I am not saying you should be blamed.

I am talking about politeness. Politeness means you avoid causing offense, whether it is justifiable or not.

Look, go ahead and do whatever you want. I am sorry if you took offense at what I said.

I just know that if I question someone's religious beliefs, there is a chance I am going to cause offense. Religious beliefs are like that. And religious beliefs that are strong enough can result in strong offense. Politeness says it is not worth it to take that chance.

Again, sorry.

Oh. Right. Sorry. You shouldn't apologize. I misunderstood you. I totally agree.

Persons who do not take offense where offense is meant are either fools or buddhas. What is a person who takes offense where offense is meant? Something of a fool also.

I killed your whole family, haha!

no offense, I was just bored.

I think you would mean offense, but I would be a fool to take offense to that anyway.

Sj, the stories in the Old Testament are exactly that, stories. Many are allogorical, not to be taken literally. Some are very old, probably from an earlier oral tradition. Yet there is meaning in each story, and I believe that can be useful. As for the miracles of the New Testament, I'm still pondering those.

Allright. Thanks for answering.
The stories in the New Testament--although I don't believe those either--are more rational to believe in.

The lesson of the New Testament, as exemplified by St. Paul the Apostle, is that the actual physical presence of Jesus is not necessary for the idea of a personal God to spread. Paul was a convert long after the events on Calvary. It is the ideas of Christ that changed the world, not the miracles.

This is a Christian I can respect.

Please don't change your name to Sogo just because you found God.

Har,har,har, har! That's priceless.

WE NEED A NEW SUPPLY OF CHUBS! MORE CHUBS NOW!

Well, I would hope that one could find meaning even with the absence of God, but as long as you respect science and don't enforce the Biblical sense of morality on others, I don't have too much of a problem, although I do think that moderate Christians do enable, in a way, the extremists . ..wel, I got the polemic outta my system, and am now in a state of pensive affection.

*hugs all*

Don't hug me you hypocrite. You push science and logic, but get upset when folks push religion? Yeah, look at you. Way to go man.

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I'm not upset, mang. And I don't see how I'm being a hypocrite. I'm just saying that I see religion as being a bad thing, and I see logic being good. Nothing contradicting there.
Some of my best friends are creationists, and they are the nicest people I know. I don't really hate them for what they believe, I just don't like what they believe.

Lighten up, dude.

Sorry, fellers. I'll stop being serious on these boards if you want.
:(

It's cute because you're only five.
Here's a thing. There's all these wonderful belief systems out there, some not so wonderful, like a new and used car lot. You invest in the one you like best- you like it best for your own reasons, you make the payments, do the maintenance, take the ride.
But the thing about belief is it's belief. It's not reality.

At the end of the day, believing is not knowing, not experiencing. And the day always ends.

I'd rather believe in something that can give me 99% accuracy of predictions, and science does that. I've never seen anything more than marginally above random luck on the side of faith.

To be fair, science is built on a system of constantly revising it's rules to determine the new "truth".
So, science continues to stand on the "truth" because the "facts" are determined by the most current information believed by the current majority of scientists.
Nothing in science is really "true", it's just the latest idea that hasn't been shot down by a new theory.

So, science is a set of ideas that are believed to be true, based on a set of rules created by a select group of individuals, who search for the truth in complicated rituals in secluded rooms, speaking in language mostly incomprehensible to the general public that they learned through years of study. They publish their beliefs in books, and try to spread the 'good word' to others, hoping that their beliefs will become the dominant theory, and be established as 'fact'.

Wait...science is...Catholicism??

Well science is still based on what can be observed and discovered through actual methods that can be falsified and exposed to scrutiny, and if a hypothesis stands up to the most rigorous scrutiny available, it is accepted as a theory. I'd say that's the one rule that never changes. It only makes claims to certainty insofar as a given theory works and functions and, by all "reasonable" standards is true.

So, does that make you a bunsen-thumpin' believer?

(joke)

Dude, no one uses Bunsen burners any more. It's all Fisher burners now.

Right about science. It's about the phenomenology of this world, period. Which is very cool stuff. It is entirely based on 5-sense observable data; so we can all conclude the same thing with the same sensory equipment. Common body of knowledge by accord.

Morality codes, religions, philosophy- have nothing to do with that, really. They're about human identity, who and why we are, how to conduct ourselves in our daily living. And most of them are partly faith-based on the unseen, which is out of science's purview.
In most of them you have methodologies of practice which are supposed to enable a person to achieve some state of living or being.
So Pogo was talking about living the holy life. As long as a person examines what is meant by the "holy life" and have done some inner work on why they want to do that, rather than swallowing it blindly as some pleasant-sounding communion meme, then good for them.

"Cause you gonna go to Heaven if you do it our way" - this I find as offensive as a con-artist. There is no implied thinking or soul-searching in it. You have millions of people who are utter pragmatists in daily business, they can smell a pyramid scheme a mile away- "If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is." And these same people toss their caution and reasoning ability out the window when it comes to "You gotta be saved by the Blood, and bloh,bloh,bloh."
Boo on Paul. You hear me, Pogo? Boo on all that.

So Science vs. the religions/practices/philosophies, it's almost like that Venn diagram with Bob Giacomelli.

just a little bit of dickery on my part: it's not until the so-called "age of enlightenment" in the seventeenth century that morality, religion, philosophy and science diverge paths. ancient philosophies used their scientific observations to prove their metaphysics. but otherwise, yeah, i agree with you

I as well.
And scorpio, can you name a wonderful belief system? What do you mean by that?

GIGO man: garbage in, garbage out. an asshole can get born again and still be an asshole. an unbelieving saint would still do good works. i've seen religion, like military service and AA, help a lot of people get their shit together, and i've seen plenty of people who used religion to justify their pettiness. the problem isn't religion, it's people.

Well, I'm sure that there are plenty of religious people who aren't nice too. I don't really think that religion makes too much of a difference, except maybe nice people are more prone to be religious maybe? I'm not sure. But there are a lot of religious jerks out there. I'm just saying (I think) that I like people due to their personality, not just their religion.

so why you got to be raggin on religion?

Because religion makes good people do bad things.

Read this article . It finds that religious people in America are indeed "nicer" overall than atheists, but that the pattern only holds true because atheists are a minority here and thus feel marginalized and excluded. But as a counterexample, in Scandinavian countries where religious belief is fairly low, the crime rates are lower and social welfare is higher. What this suggests is that the important thing is not religion but community, which the Scandinavians have a strong sense of.

Just to make a point: when was the last time you heard about a group of atheists help out villages in Africa, like a group of Christians at my church did?

I'll be waiting.

This year.

Every year.

I don't really consider myself an atheist. I consider myself an agnostic. An atheist says there is no god, an agnostic says it is unknowable. How the fuck would I know.

When discussing Christianity I am an atheist. There is no way I can believe in that god.

But anyway...

My church is not a Christian church. The vast majority of members of my church are agnostics at least, and probably over half consider themselves atheists.

And we help villages in Africa, poor people in Central and South America, Asia, all over the world.

I have personally given lots of money to establish micro-banks in South America to help people, primarily women, establish businesses and work their way out of poverty.

I have worked at the homeless shelter here where I live, making and serving dinner.

Atheists help people a lot, both locally and globally. It's really got nothing to do with a belief in "god."

That's true too. Buddhism is basically agnostic, although most buddhists are deistic. They don't even bother with "is there or ain't there" a God, and the Buddha went into chapter and verse about all these different other realms of consciousness, Gods, angelic equivalents, his other lifetimes and soap operas....
They're all about doing good. Christian churches are about doing good also. As are Muslim groups. The problem comes with the Catch-22 of whatever dogma they're slipping in with the food, relief, schools, etc.

Well, I think I read where Bill Gates is agnostic. He pretty much matches all the good work done by all the churches.
Plus he has his made his nut on shitty code, the churches have on theirs! I'm not sure where that's leading, but there's got to be a parable in it.

fuck africa.

I feel like it's more of he sense of community that creates this altruism. I don't think that religions is necessary for people to be nice. I think that there would be the same rates of charity if everyone was a secular humanist.

hmm... can we possibly move this convo to aim? i'm afraid too many more posts will crash the boards.

Nah man, I am just being a jerk. I apologize it was mostly unwarranted.

Because John told you to be?

I follow his music, not necessarily his opinions. I was always anti-religion, and Dawkins made me more confident in my opinions.

Dawkins is such a prick, he gives athiests a bad name.

As a Christian, agreed.

Why do people keep saying this? I don't see it. The man is vocal, but I don't think he's mean or anything. I read all but one half of a chapter of The God Delusion, and I don't see it.

I think it's because during the Bush years we've been on the defensive and taught to see everything in terms of political effectiveness rather than intrinsic value. So that's why you see a lot of atheists yelling that Dawkins "doesn't help" and "only makes things worse" even though they may completely agree with everything he says.

I see Dawkins in the same light I see fundie Christians: you aren't going to win people over to your side by telling them how stupid they are for their belief/nonbelief.

That's exactly my point. People are evaluating what he says based on whether it's socially effective rather than whether he actually makes a sound argument.

It's not a sound argument either, just like saying you are going to "burn-a in the eternal fires-a of hell-a!!!" (you have to say that with a southern accent) isn't a sound argument, or saying that bananas prove God's existence.

Kirk Cameron and Jerry Fallwell set Christians back 100 years, I hope they are fucking happy.

Oh, God. That video is hilarious. Even my extremely Christian takes-the-Bible-literally friend saw through that bull.

I'd be interested hearing in how Dawkins' arguments are unsound. His car of pain is in full working order and always makes it to school, as far as I can see.

By the way, "burn-a in the eternal fires-a of hell-a!!!" sounds more like an Italian accent to me.

I just see Mario all in pope garb, maybe shooting fireballs at the sinners.

I can see why you would say that. But let me assure you that is a very accurate rendering of the way it is said here in the Bible Belt. It goes along with the four syllable "Jesus."

Je-a-uh-sus!

"Set Christianity back 100 years."
That's a good one.

Can we still be friends sje?

Yes. Yes we can.

So far I have one Hindu friend, one Muslim, one Scientologist, and now a Christian friend!

"Have you met my friend, Hajul the Hindu? He's in the Hindu religion! Go on, Hajul, tell everyone about how you practice Hindu."

(Not picking specifically on Hindu here, just the whole "I have friends of all different religions/genders/whatever" self-congratulation.)

(I don't actually have a Hindu, Scientologist, or Muslim friend. I am from New Hampshire.)

HE says that he doesn't expect to win Christians over, but only people who are on the line. And I don't think he thinks Christians are necessarily stupid; he just thinks that religion is stupid. A person can be smart about everything else, and still be superstitious, because religion brainwashes them.

I remember on an internet forum, where a man claimed he hated Dawkins because he seemed like "a very angry man". And who was a scientist . A scientist , no less. And you know how biased they are against God. Why, why should we listen to a scientist? I guess we should only listen to someone who doesn't know a thing about evolution and geology, and other things that don't contradict the Bible? And the name of the book is too incendiary. "The God Delusion". Clearly he set out to prove doesn't exist before he had any evidence. Or maybe, I don't know, that was his conclusion? That God is a delusion?
Turns out the person didn't even read the book. HE was, literally, judging the book by its cover.
I have to wonder what type of person a Christian would call a good spokesman for atheism. Someone who isn't a scientist, and does not speak assertively. "Erm, excuse me, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I don't think that there is a god, but I'm not really positive why, and I'm sorry, but I just find it unlikely, please don't hurt me . . ."


A good atheist spokesperson would be someone who doesn't yell at me for "pushing religion on them" yet tries to force their views down my throat and also doesn't call me a moron for believing in God and also wants to wipe out religion forever. If you don't believe that shit going down look up the Wired article about "New Atheism".

It just upsets me because, just like some Christians use blanket statements on Atheists (like I guess I'm doing) alot of arguments Atheists make are blanket statements as well.

I don't know, I really don't want to argue this anymore because it's a stupid argument. Just let me not like Dawkins.

Once again, Dawkins isn't yelling at anyone. He is not forcing his views down anyone's throat. He is simply providing good arguments about his views. He agrees that a person should not be indoctrinated and should make his own decisions. It is one of his secular commandments. It is one of the requirements to be a "bright" as well. I already said that he doesn't think Christians are morons, no more than most people believe that Scientologists are morons. HE just believes that religion brainwashes people.
I read the article, and it is very interesting, by the way. I don't know what in it you are referring to, however.
And I respectufully disagree that Dawkins uses blanket statements against theists.Really, the reason why he is against religion is similar to the reason I am against the Holocaust, although the Holocaust is worse. He is percieving an immoral thing going on (basing morality on a false document, which results discrimination against homosexuals, and forbids abortion and test tube research, etc, and religion ignores science as well.

I respect your decision if you don't want to talk about this anymore, I just wish that people would stop expressing dislike of a person for no reason. And I don't think you gave a very good reason at all. But I think that you are rad.


Fuck Dawkins.

Now Pat Condell, he's an atheist who rocks!

He is indeed the acme of diplomacy.

Is Pat Condell the British guy who is always on Videocracy?

I think a little reflection will reveal that people with political axes to grind often don't pay attention to the intrinsic value of statements. It's not a new phenomenon. Do you remember what Larry Summers said to get run out of Harvard? His remarks were pretty temperate and not contradictory to what is known about neuroscience and natural selection.

Agreed.

I beg your pardon?

Oh right, let me just give you what you expect to hear from me:

Irondave, both your comments and those of Larry Summers are based on heteronormative myths promulgated by white male fascists hiding behind the ethnocentric mantle of "objective" science! I say this because I am a liberal and learned these terms in college!

Sorry if I disturbed your pre-defined categories for a second there, I'll try to avoid it in the future.

Actually, I would say the jury is still out on whether what he said is really biological fact or not. But if it's proven false, I'd prefer that it be proven false on strictly scientific grounds rather than political ones, since it's at least theoretically possible that it could be true.

I was just trying to work a chuckle. Also, when you are serious, you are not usually terse.

I think all Summers said was that the ideas were worth looking into, so even if ultimately people proved there was nothing to those ideas, it wouldn't make him wrong.

Yeah, the dude wasn't making any statements. He wasn't claiming that he had arrived at any sort of conclusion; he was just saying that certain bits of evidence are suggestive. But academia is a beast.

https://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uuafFprcJ
About time T-T-Todd came out with his own cult of the Tourette-afflicted stuttering squirrel.

If I had a hope that Obama would take away all the Bibles and take the country communist, I might have voted for him. I'd pass on the Islam bit, but then I'm am equal opportunity religion hater.

Clearly Pogo plans to 'steal the election' and this post is his attempted alibi.

Man, don't you know that McCain deserves to be president do to his heroism in Vietnam?
I mean, I don't care how much our country goes down the crapper. We owe him so much more than that. Let's give him Canada too.

I'm on board with part of this idea. We'll take Obama, and give McCain to Canadia. If he runs it better than Obama, we will admit we were wrong and hockey will become a national sport.

Is it a deal Canada?

Let me sweeten the deal by saying that we would replace Sarah Palin with Mario Lemeiux.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc
"I always do that!"

That is a pretty sweet deal. As a Canadian Patriot living with yankees, I approve this transaction.

I dunno - swap Mario for Les Stroud and we'll talk.

Objection.

Don't worry, pogo. Black Guy has some of the whitest White Guys in America backing him up.


Yeah but those are Good White. Pogo is definitely Bad White.

Let's just say that I haven't been too impressed with the behavior and morals of most of the American blacks I've known. But I'm trying to be more open-minded, and just saw Angelique Kidjo give one kick-ass concert! Right after the annuciation of Barak, and everyone cheered (even me).

The annunciation of Barak?

Is Barak going to have God's baby?

Yes.

Wouldn't that be incest?

You're mistaken. He's the Anti christ.

i thought that's what the gods liked. all chaos and gaia, all chronos and rhea, all zeus and hera. they're like bone bone bone all up on my sister/mother

Stop your pagan mouth, sinner!

"Annuciation" also just means an announcement. But yes, he is birthing the antichrist in his second term.

I can't spell that word for shit.

That word for shit? You mean feces?

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It's true that annunciation has as its secondary meaning the way pompous and pretentious way of saying "announcement."

But I have never heard it used that way. I have only heard it used to indicate Gabriel's message to Mary that God was going to knock her up. A warning to expect an "extra special" bundle of joy.

Faeces.

There are faeces I remember . . .

You guys are a bunch of faeces faces.

You are getting a V-chub from me. But it hurts.

People are strange-
When you're a stranger-
Faeces look ugly
When you're alone.

This may belong in the music-taste subsection, or it just may deserve to get booted and lamed off whichever section of the thread it rears its ugly head.
=selah=

"Faeces look ugly
When you're alone."


Not if you are Salvador Dali!

All around me are familiar faeces
Worn out places, worn out faeces


I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad...

It's a very very crap world
Crap world
.

Jake Gyllanhal all getting crushed by an falling time travelling portapotty.

you mean "an alive time-traveling porta-potty"?

Uh no last time I checked there was no alive falling things in that movie and I've seen Donnie Darko 4 times.

Oh. That's Jake Gyllanhal.
Right.
My reference was to that random "an" in there, and to an awesome Achewood strip.

Oh god damn fuck shit piss.

A time-travelling portapotty.

(note to self, go back in time, find creators of Doctor Who, convince them to use Portajohn instead of Police box.

Not yet enough, hero. Watch more times. Watch.

Not an excellent adventure. Not excellent at all.

More like a bogus....adventure.

Fuck that movie sucked. Another example of, "the sequel can't compare!"

You sunk my battlesheep!

pogo

My comment was pointlessly pompous, arrogant, and obnoxious.

Apologies.

I thought pointless, pompous, arrogant, and obnoxious comments where the whole reason we're here?

I have been misled.

God? God?


To a certain extent, you are correct.

However, there is a line separating clever, humorous pointless, pompous, arrogant, and obnoxious comments and artless pointless, pompous, arrogant, and obnoxious comments .

I felt mine was possibly edging over into the artless side. I chose to err on the side of caution.

Here in the world, here on the Internet, or here on Assetbar?

Why decide on one?

Yeah, God be a Trinity dogg.

No apology needed, biff, but thanks for the thought. From now on, try to be pointedly pompous, arrogant, and obnoxious 'round here.

One of the guys is so white, he is a lady.

God, that is just blinding.

later that night, they bbq'ed some hot dogs, drank some microbrews, and discussed policy to the mellow croon of hootie and the blowfish. the one with glasses blogged about it.

Isn't the guy with glasses Ben Hibbard from Death Cab For Cutie?

I know that song.

I assumed they all were Ben Hibbard from Death Cab For Cutie.

Ben Hibbard from Death Cab For Cutie secretly loves Hootie and the Blowfish, pass it on.

...ben gibbard..?

You know, what's-his-fuck. The little guy with the feelings. The one who clutches himself and quietly weeps whenever a girl says "hi." That guy.

man forget those dudes that have 'feelings'.

dag, yo.

one of my old friends recently proclaimed i was Emo before it was.

...i don't know what to do with that information. hugs all around~

heh, v-chub for making me giggle.

I'm sorry I clutch myself and quietly weep whenever a girl says "hi".
(Inside) I am Ben Gibbard.

I am that guy.
I have severe social anxiety issues.

H . . .hugs?

you sound like this guy that i've known since grade school. he is so socially retarded but also so great (he makes kick awesome art.)

my friends recently told me he was engaged.

we have no idea how that happened.

Thanks . ..I guess.

Kick awesome art? Is that "kick" an instensifier, like "You are kick awesome!", or are you saying that he makes kicking an respectable art?

the former.

no sir, no indeed. them there, them are the decemberists.

Holy fucking shit! They are The Decemberists!

Which guy with the glasses? The one with the beard or the one without?

Without.

woh! Serious nerd-emittance factor.


This is going to be too far away from the picture for anyone to tell what I'm talking about, but Obama has a really long right arm.

hahahahaha

Well, he is Mr. Fantastic.

Barack Obama:

When it comes to hugs, he doesn't favouritise.

What in the SAM HELL did you just do to that word, son?

I Britishised it. Wallow in my right to inflict my cultural diverisity on any and all that I please!

British people.
*rolls eyes*

it will be closer than anybody thinks.

Exprobably not.

It was SO close. Wow that was close.

the popular vote actually was.

i mean, if you consider how small a number seven million is to sixty million.

But, but he won the electoral vote two to one! Are you saying that is misleading?

What is actually the rational behind the electoral college?

I think it was to give more rural states with smaller populations a slightly disproportionate amount of the vote. It was the only way they would agree to join the Union.

Counting votes in 1796 was not done electronically. They didn't have cars either. Or even bicycles yet.
So it was very arduous, impractical even, given the increased potential for tampering, to gather up a million or so paper ballots to one place to be counted.
Remembering also that a million was so much more then than it is today. However, their Practicality was strong, and their Logic was passable.
Therefore they came up with the necessary evil of the electoral college, where each state gathered up its own voting and decided a simple winner-takes-all popular percentage based on majority as a means of expediting the popular national vote.
Hoping, along the way, that when electronic voting and mass communication were commonplace in this Great Nation, the Government would still possess the very least modicum of Practicality and Logic to know to abolish what had become a horrendous, unnecessary, even evil means of POTUS Selection, so that given the remote possibility an Evangelical Social Facist party ever came about to attempt to subvert democracy and steal a popular election fronting a horrendous, malformed incubus of a personality as their candidate, it would simply not be possible.
Alas, they were SO FUCKING WRONG there.

That however, my son, was the rationale for their thinking. There is no rational behind it that I am aware of.

I wish I put that e in. I only realize after I posted.

Don't ever change. That 'e' you saved gave it just the right shwinnggg so I get to be not only insufferably pompous but snide in the same post. Woohoo!
Your check is in the mail.

I forgot the d too.

If we didn't have the electoral college, basically the same five states would decide the presidential election every time.

No, that's almost backwards. As it is, those 5, or maybe 7 states could theoretically swing the whole thing and the rest could go whistle.
If we didn't have the electoral college, the popular vote would decide the presidential election every time.

Not only is this correct (I loved your post above as well), but the 5 or 7 that decide it wouldn't even be the biggest ones. Ohio and Florida are awfully packed with people, but certainly shouldn't be the two primary deciders of elections. I've always supported a proportionate electoral college. Every state still gets the same number of electors, but they are split out based on how the popular vote goes WITHIN THE STATE. States still get to decide how the voting is handled and counted, and the big states still get more votes (they should). However it would take the heart of the campaign out of the few swing states and into EVERY state. Also it would be MUCH closer to the actual national popular vote.

Well, then it might as well be just the popular vote, no?

Of course someone from New York is going to have a predictably different opinion than someone in Oklahoma, but it seems odd to me that we are punished for living in a more populous state. The electoral college might have made sense when the federal government had very limited power and the states were much more sovereign, which was the original intent. But given that at this point the actions of the federal government affect all of us greatly, it seems messed up that people in Arizona are more represented than we are on issues that one could easily say affect us more (terrorism, taxes, etc.)

On the other hand, this last election kind of disproves the idea that the electoral college favors Republicans, though this may be specifically because Obama ran a 50-state strategy rather than the traditional Democratic campaign.

I'm all for the nationwide popular vote to be the standard, but there is no chance of that happening reasonably. What voting standards and technology would be used? What groups would audit and count? Who would determine voting requirements and areas? No state would drop those powers. I like proportional electorate because it skirts all those issues.

That's because the traditional Democratic campaign does not have nearly as many funds raised as the Obama campaign did.

this is what i'm for, the popular vote winning elections.

states less populated would throw their fits but it would make everyone believe once again that their vote counted...the swinging chads from Miami-Dade drive that point home and i think that since we live in a country where we're told since third-grade social studies that it's so rad to let your voice be heard 'cos in other places they can't do that, that sort of thing would be excellent.

It was a way to get slave states to agree to the Union. They also got to count slaves as 3/5 a person for the purpose of the census, which increased their House of Representatives delegations. Given who electoral college votes are determined, this also gave the slave states greater influence over presidential elections than they would have had otherwise.

There was also the "slate of electors" thing. The thought was that people would choose people they knew and trusted to go to the Electoral College and pick who they thought would be the best president.

When I was studying this in junior high, we saw a sample ballot for Oklahoma, and the actual names of the electors you were voting for was on the ballot.

I don't recall if this is a nation thing or a state-by-state thing, or if it is currently in force, but at one time the electors could vote their conscience. They were not required to vote as their state had voted.

It all goes back to the original ideal of representative democracy. The general consensus was that everyday people couldn't know enough about issues to make informed decisions, so they would elect people they trusted to go to the legislatures, spend all day studying the issues and their ramifications, and make decisions based on what they believed was best for their constituents.

That has sort of gone by the wayside now. Everyone feels that the sound bites and reports on Fox News give them enough information to make good decisions, and get pissed if their representatives don't always "follow the will of the majority."

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biff: When I was studying this in junior high, we saw a sample ballot for Oklahoma, and the actual names of the electors you were voting for was on the ballot.


Did you vote this time? Or were you resigned ahead of time with that dread certainty we all had, that a blue presidential vote in Oklahoma is basically as useful as taking a piss in the alley?
Reason I ask is because they still do print it out that way with the party-picked electors' names below the candidates.

If the electoral college were abolished, our votes would have counted for something more than symbolic 'tude. Our 1/150,000,000th or whatever share each would have been worth just that. Instead of bupkis, which, let's face it, is what the losing side's votes in any state is worth.
We coulda been contendahs.

If you think about it, the winning side's votes are also kind of worthless if you don't live in a swing state. That's why it was kind of sad seeing my friends and acquaintances here exhorting everyone to go out and vote in a city and state that's bluer than a yeti's balls. Don't get me wrong, I mailed in my absentee ballot, but I was fully aware of how pointless it was.

You are exactly correct. Have any of the "get rid of the Electoral College" people here considered the possibilities that would open up for various multi-party stalking horses and similar manipulations? Aren't some of you still a little cheesed at Ralph Nader or Ross Perot? Want more influence by campaigns that cannot possibly carry a single State under the present system? If so, why?

Dave, what exactly do you mean by "multi-party stalking horses"? The whole point is that a popular vote would open up a greater possibility of a multi-party system, and that is a good thing ! I can't understand why someone who self-identifies as a libertarian would think otherwise.

Legislative dead-lock/polarization?

You know, I hear the deadlock argument trotted out sometimes, and I don't see how it's any worse than having only two parties that a) do not adequately represent a nation of 300 million people, and b) nevertheless oppose and obstruct each other most of the time. A multi-party system would be the opposite of polarization, which is what we currently have. Instead of having to support a whole bunch of competing positions within a single platform, some of the parties would vote together on issues they have in common, and oppose each other on those that they don't. Nearly every other civilized country has a multi-party system and they're getting along fine.

I should've specified that I meant polarization of the voting public, not the legislation. But you make good points.

I have a concern that going to popular vote would empower various shenanigans in high-density areas even more than now. Stalking horse candidates could be one way to game that system, and I should probably have just written "multiple" instead of "multi-party." I'd be happy to see more viable parties, but our small-r republican system doesn't seem to compatible with that.

Having had a day to think about what I wrote, I'm not sure what the best way to game a popular-vote system would be, but we can be confident that someone would develop it. I don't really see what the advantage of changing would be. The best analogy I have heard about the E. C. is to baseball: winning the World Series means being the first to win 4 games, not scoring the most runs over all. So that analogy suggests that the campaign that can appeal to a variety of regions (which also have a lot of people in them) is going to win, not the candidate that is most efficient in generating votes in the highest-density regions.

Of course, I would say that: I'm a nearly life-long resident of flyover country.

Why not proportional representation? The first-past-the-post winner-take-all system effectively voids the significance of minority votes. I think more people would vote if they felt that their choice would have some degree of representation, which would become possible under proportional representation and the influence of smaller parties that entails. I realize that this is unlikely in the US given the stranglehold of the two faction/one party government we have, but it would be a far better way to do things.

A parliamentary system offers the possibility of such proportional representation.

Not always in fact, but always in theory.

on the other hand, living in a populous state that predictably swings one way and, because of later time zone, doesn't usually factor into the crucial part of the electoral calculus, i can "throw away my vote" on a third party candidate without having to worry that it might have any impact on the actual outcome

I did vote, and I am pretty sure the electors were not listed on my ballot. It's possible that they were, and I didn't notice them, but I doubt that. I voted in Tulsa County.

My vote did count for my State Senator, State Representative, and County Commissioner. All the candidates I voter for in those races won. Hooray!!

I went to the watch party for the County Commission race. That was pretty cool.

The candidates I voted for in the US Congressional races both lost. But that was expected.

After all, we are the only state in the Union in which every county went for McCain.

My vote for president didn't count, although my candidate won. That's fun to think about, I guess.

OOOOOOOOOklahoma where the wind comes sweeping through our brains.

For what it's worth, they listed the electors on the Cleveland County ballot. They also gave out fresh baked cookies, brownies, punch and coffee.

For what it's worth, they listed the electors on the Cleveland County ballot. They also gave out fresh baked cookies, brownies, punch and coffee.

Get out, we're like neighbors? I gotta focus on your avatar now and recall if I've seen anyone like that strolling Sooner Fashion Mall. Can't say that I even know what your avaticon.

What.

Oh, you're 57.

They also got a Southern capital (D.C.)

Is D.C. considered a "Southern" capital? I thought it was placed near the Mason Dixon line on purpose to avoid being either Northern or Southern.

But that class was decades ago, and I may be remembering wrong.

You are right. It's in middle of the country for that reason.

It was just Southern enough. New York was "too" Northern and I think other options were cities like Richmond and that was "too" Southern. I think. So they made a whole new city, which is pretty hxc.

Pretty nice designed city. And it doesn't look like an airplane, either.

Brazilian urban designers are dumb, by the way.

Dubai urban designers are odd.

D.C. is below the Mason-Dixon line , so it is basically a "Southern" capital, yes.

D.C. is below the Mason-Dixon line , so it is basically a "Southern" capital, yes.

Your aviconatard has intrigued me since I started lurking here. I'll explain mine if you explain yours.

I am basically assetbar illiterate so I'm not sure this link will work, and you'll have to find the post yourself, but it's on this page .

Jesus! In the dim archives of memory, I remember that weird shit. Kid used a samurai sword, iirc. Japan back then, we didn't know wtf to make of them except they were flooding the country with cheap transistor radios- foreshadowing.
"Kids, they were our sworn enemy, but now they are democratic and our good, good friends."

"We will shock, awe, an' subdue and then democraticicize 'em. Yes, it's true that a few Islamatists will be neutralized also. It's for their own good."
Damn, did that bad dogma come back to bite us in the ass.

Plus they were about sick of U.S. military stationed in bases in their country.

I tried to google it, but I had trouble. What's the person's name?

Dang, that's what first sparked my curiosity. Does not satiate.

Here's the footage and a little info.

It was raw.

Dude just cold stuck a fucker, like he's some kind of Dr. Stuckafucka, MD (Minister of Death).

So Falseprophet endoreses Nationalist extremists. I suggest one of Hitler's earlier photos, when you feel like changing.

Endorses, damnit.

And make it one of the ones where he and Goering are all decked out in those cute little lederhosen. I can't get enough of that.

Nah, the guy my avatetsuo killed was a Socialist, so he would probably kill Hitler too.

Hitler was like some mythical beast who would only die by his own hand. That sounds truly like a satanic power.
No way your little ninja could have done him.

But the Japanese right-wing Nationalists really had no problem with fascist politics. And Hitler named his party the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany in part as a branding strategy because of the huge popularity of the Socialist and Communist parties in 1920s Germany. It was a way to draw in politically unsophisticated people who were drawn to 'socialism' without knowing much about what the politics were. The Nazis were state capitalist if anything. There were not remotely socialist in any sense of the word.

You win at History.

Yes but yours requires no explanation. I remember that strip well.

My current avatotakon is a famous photograph taken of Otota Yamaguchi , a teenage Japanese nationalist who tried to start a televised revolution .

I figured you knew, I was just trying to entice you.
And I am now familiar with Dr. Stuckafucka (see above).

Sheesh. You get one lucky shot for a bonus point score of 20 million by Gavril Princeps, and all the delusional pancakes in the human race want to better his score.

Northern Virginia is the most miserably humid place I have ever lived. So DC must indeed be Southern.

can't give chubs today. freezes I.E.

verily i say, this shall be a DARK DAY

This could be read as yet another election reference, if you're into that sort of thing.

Suddenly I have a hankering for chocolate-and-vanilla swirl soft serve. Ooooh what does that mean?

That means socialism .

Could it be that you are... down with the swirl?


You see, Socialism's like Jell-o pudding...

...or maybe it's more like Kodak film...

Naw, it's like the New Coke. It'll be around forever, he he he .

Firefox 3 won't let me chubby either!

(it just doesn't realize i've hit the link.)

what the crap??

speaking of firefox, does anyone else get big bray blobs all over the screen when they view assetbar with firefox?

I get big blobs all over my screen sometimes, but not while looking at assetbar. At least not usually.

Aim away from the screen next time.

I get big repeating smears of random sentences which run halfway down the page. It only happens when it gets this long. If he doesn't post anything by tomorrow (and I don't think he will), we may need to continue our conversations back under some 2002 strip or something. It's all my poor machine can do to even open the page at this point. I hear her groan. I hear her sputter.

If I hover over someone's avatar, their status smears all over my screen and won't go away.

But I've found it goes good with peanut butter so I'm not complaining.

"Smear your status all over, baby."

And when you try to reply to the person above them, their dumb picture gets in the way, so you have to refresh the page, and you lose all the yellow comments?

Yes, that's exactly it. It's kind of beautiful.

A field of stati, smearing and blobbing and obstructing like some sky of gray clouds, blocking out the heavens.

I do. Except they are more like black boxes. All I have to do is scroll over a nearby avatar.

On my desktop machine, running Firefox 3, I get black boxes, which only go away when I scroll up and down getting them in and out of viewing range several times.

On my laptop, running Firefox 2, I get gray boxes that go away when I right click on them.

Assetbar is the burden we carry for such limitless mirth and wit and companionship.

I have FF3, and just going over an avatar gets rid of the boxes instantly. I recommend it.

Liar, FF3 was never released in the US.

:(
I'm sorry. I didn't know.
:(

Opera has never given me this kind of issue. It does display posts slightly differently (avatar above text instead of beside it).

Of course it did spawn the "I AM A GORILLA" avatar but that's another story for another time.

FF# does the avatar above the text too. I forgot about that.

Please tell.

3

Sorry, it was a lame joke .

It was recently, on the DS. Also oh my god the characters are so damn cute.

I just finally played through FFX, and I thought this would be as good a place as any to ask this important question:

Yuna, Lulu, or Rikku?

aw hell man that's easy a flesh and blood woman

Ok, but which character would you rather she dress up as?

The whiny, impossible-to-understand bitch, the goth, or the punky 11 year old? I'm going to have to go with Wakka. At least he is enjoyable to listen to. Especially given that he is voiced by the same guy who does my avatar

The somewhat clingy virgin, the chick who's only dated guys with small cocks and no stamina, and the... punky 11 year old. I'd take all of them.

Of course if I was Tidus I wouldn't be able to score with any, because I'd be too busy trying to get under Auron's robe. I think Wakka could get his fuck on fairly well, and the sequel agrees.

oh man, that's easy, too: dracula ain't got much money this week, mwwwwah-ha-ha-ha

If you want everything, you'll end up with nothing.
But I do want everything!
Ugh, you don't understand.

No Lulu, you don't understand. So to answer your question, I respond, "yes please."

Judging from what I've seen on hentai sites, Rikku seems to be the most popular, with Yuna a close second.

Personally, I didn't care that much for Yuna. She had very little personality, and being with someone that naive, timid, and completely good-natured would be infuriating. I wouldn't have the patience to spend hours reassuring her just to get her to say what's on her mind. She's the kind of girl who keeps a super-secret book of poetry that no one is allowed to see, and would probably just lay there quietly sobbing the whole time when you're doing it. I guess some people are into that.

Rikku is the girl who will drag you to underground rave parties and impromptu picnics that require trespassing on private property. She will make you feel more alive than you've ever felt, and then suddenly break up with or cheat on you for no apparent reason other than that perhaps your life is too boring to contain her cheerful and carefree spirit.

Not much to say about Lulu except that "bitchy, sarcastic goth" is the type I most often find myself with. Also, she has enormous boobs.

Rude Titties. I usually find myself dating Rikku esque females, which is good because I live in a synonym for a crappy town. Also if I wanted to beat off to some Yuna hentai, I'd rather find Ashe from twelve. I do not look at naked cartoon girls preforming the most remarkable talents, because I am a well adjucted American male.

Also I'm Canadian.

Dude! You guys jerk off to cartoons, too?! If you haven't already seen it, do yourself a favor and rent Grave of the Fireflies. Shit is so hot! Shit is the bomb!

I didn't say whether I did or don't. In this particular instance, it occurred to me that there would be a lot of hentai with these characters and I wanted to see if I was right. Furthermore, hentai sites often pop up when you're searching for other stuff, whether it's porn or Sega Genesis roms. But anyway, I am not ashamed to say that some of the more realistically drawn non-tentacle hentai is pretty damn good.

After all the stuff, I've seen on the Internet, this still made me look twice and go "what the fuck?" I thought I should record it here for posterity.

Note: do not click if for some reason you don't want to see live-action Smurf porn.

The only reason I don't want to see that, is because I'm at work and have a busy day ahead.

I can not be hefting severl hundred computer monitors and suddenly start laughing about smurfs fucking. Well it seems bound to happen anyway.

That movie gets me going so fast, it almost catches my wood (house where i live with my aunt and sister) on fire.

You are being really mean, rowboat. I like that in a man, I really, really do. " So hot!...the bomb! " I hope they, and everybody actually, will see the movie. They will curse you, but it will be worth it.

Don't curse me. I curse myself.

I don't curse you, rowboat; I chubby you. And don't curse yourself. Let folks go looking for Grave hentai ruttiness and let them curse you. It really will be worth it, for everyone.

I'm running FF 3.0.3, zippity hot hot from the Mozilla open source.

pogo mentioned this a while back. He discovered that you can hit ctrl and the plus sign, which enlarges the text, and it also makes the blobs go away. Then you can shrink the text back down to the normal size and voila!

thank you for your useful answer

Pogo asked this. Aperson mentioned this. goddamnit .

chubbied for historical accuracy.

thank everyone for letting me read assetbar in peace. thanks tekende. thanks pogo. thanks aperson. thanks scorpio_nadir. good night moon. good night chair. good night assetbarbarians everywhere.

Tish and pish, it was really nothing. A tiny morsel of information, easily and gladly conveyed. Goddamnit

Oh, whoops. My mistake.


Sorry doodz!

That's okay, I sounded computer-smart for a few seconds there. What's Ctrl?

Ctrl is what you learn when you stop peeing in your pants.

a Jnt Jcksn album from the '80s

I tried it the time he said this, but it didn't work.

i get that. i'd hover on the avis if they didn't freeze ff for a time.

also, i use ff2 on my computer at home. 3 still has too many issues.

I'm going to get a tattoo that says 'I'm What The Dope Man Did To Strawberry'

Nader / Gonzalez 08

That's who my mom voted for.
I voted Obama.

I feel like I should be out somewhere right now. I can't help imagining that the bars are packed with hipster girls who are in a celebratory mood and thus more suggestible than usual.

probably true.

o to be 21 already...
the end of the year cannot come soon enough.

using history in the making to procure ass.

well done, sir.

I'm on a college campus, and man, they were loud. A big mob was roaming the place.

I'm on a college campus, and it was pretty subdued. Perhaps because I am alarmingly close to the Bible belt. Some might even argue that I am in it.

I had to hide the brilliant light of my relief under a veil of mild content so as to avoid alienating people I don't know so well.

Madison is half UW-Wisconsin, and they were all out hooting and hollering election night. It sounded so good, so joyful, not like after a football victory.

Ya but I dorked it. God damn it, I went out to some of those bars, and sure enough tons of hot like political ladies, and then I fuckin' dorked it. God damnit.

Can you please elaborate so that we can all point and laugh at you give you valuable advice?

He wore his big foam McCain/Palin '08 cowboy hat.

What a dorkus malorkus.

Dorkmeister General.

It's funny because it's bigger than a normal hat.

I changed my name to Turd Ferguson.

Got too high to care at the political bar.
Cared too much to get high at the hipster bar.
Maybe I should just stick to the asset bar.

there's my next tattoo

Wish I had a chubby left.

O yes. The party was good.

I didn't even... shit dammit! Well then again I suppose I would likely be lynched at the bars in my town. I should have been elsewhere, for the sexy celebrations.

As it were, /2 [TRADE] kept me updated.

Thrall/Jaina in '12!

We're still dancing up on 125th. Well, I finally had to take a break. I'll probably sleep till tomorrow and go start again. But if you're in the mood for some love, it's basically nigger Woodstock up in here. Probably will be all week if not longer. Come on up and break you off a piece if you're feelin' primal.

Good night, America. I'm not jumping to conclusions, but things are at least about to get interesting.

I'm actually happy to be living here, as opposed to complaining about it. YES!

We're smugly satisfied. My wife had to keep a low profile at work where most of her "fellow adults" were aimlessly wandering in a nervous fog going -and I quote- "A-jibblie-jibblie-jibblie."

I sit next to one, she is so crushed that a nigger is in office. Am I allowed to say that? I'm saying it.

I LOVE IT THOUGH.

I feel so smug and wonderful.

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I sit next to one, she is so crushed that a nigger is in office. Am I allowed to say that?


No, it's still not allowed unless you're provably black.


This just in: today only, moratorium on hip, white boys using the "N" word, in a hip, white way.
I repeat:
Today. Only.

5 Things White People Shouldn't Do

My favorite one was this: Don't personally congratulate all your black friends. Black people are not a sports team, and Obama did not win the Super Bowl.

That is horse shit. I am using it as an endearing term. It doesn't even mean anything, just like kyke. WTFUX ZAP SHUT UP!

No.

Hey, falseprophet, congratulations!

I voted for the chocolate one!

Silly sje46! The only options were Smokin%u2019 Cheddar BBQ or Wild White Nacho Flavor Doritos!

I suppose if you think about it in those terms, vanilla was never going to win.

this thing that just happened is excellent . Rock on to all you Americas here. And to our European friends, excellent work with the kvetching on blogs. we all fulfilled our civic duties here.

Maybe President Obama will abolish BBCode.

[S]he usually manages BBCode pretty well, or at least the bold tags.

You know, I was going to make a little PSA about how italics illiteracy hurts everyone, even people who can use bold tags, with a picture of Yelena Rossini looking sad in black and white. But every time I try to look for scans of Transmetropolitan pages online Google just spits out a bunch of pictures of unattractive shirtless guys, so I lost heart. Anyway, sorry for the drunkenness!

Yes thank you America. Most of the rest of the world has breathed a big sigh of relief. Now rock on.

OBAMA!

I think I'm gonna get me a porkpie hat now.


The stock market has not been treating Pat well, no.

You think? Pat strikes me as the kind of pessimistic sourmouth to be selling short the whole past year.
Maybe you right. Maybe he got tired of losing $ selling short and got out in July.
Whereas Ray, with Ray's luck of the fool born under a good star, accidentally sold short in July and is now raking it in.
This is only theoretical, and in no way based on reality.

Ditto. For the past few weeks it's been like when I used to live in a pretty skanky council estate outside London in the very early '90s, and the scabby family from accross the street got evicted from their house for smearing their own faeces all over the front windows and setting fire to the neighbours' car. Every day I'd pass that house and take a peek through the garden gate to see if a new family had moved in (council houses don't stay empty for long)- partly nervous, because it could be another bunch of drooling coprophiliacs; partly excited, because it could be some pretty cool family who could afford sattelite TV and would invite me in to watch the Simpsons...

That is exactly what it has been like living in Europe in the run up to the American Presidential Election. Except, for "skanky council estate", read "the world", for "faeces" read "unwinnable wars against abstract concepts", for "windows" read "the rest of the world", for "neighbours' car" read "unarmed civilians", and for "bunch of drooling coprophiliacs" read- er... Oh no, leave that as it is.

The way you Brits spell "feces" is hilarious. Latin is dead, get over it!

Where by "you Brits" you presumably mean "most of the English-speaking world". :-P

Given how many Americans there are, aren't they actually "most of the English-speaking world"?

I think the answer is probably yes , but I'm damned if I'm geting my calculator out to check.

Native speakers, I mean. I assume that most people who learn English as a second language actually learn American English... (damnit Assetbar, why can't I edit you!? Now I look like a dick who's obsessed with facts)

Don't worry, at least you don't look like just a dick. This guy.

Not necessarily. I'm pretty sure they're still rocking the British English in India, for example.

As an online Brit, you must be very proud indeed of the fact that Nigerian pidgin is 3rd most common version of English, ahead of the Queene's Verye Owne English.
Sinkme, Babbage!

Only by population size. If you travel outside the US, you're unlikely to find many American English spellers.

Most non-native speakers are in Europe, and so speak "British" English.

Don't mind me, I'm probably just jealous because of my small, ah, country.

It's okay, just tell us again how back in the day it was so big that the Sun never set on it.

Chubbied for Linguistics & History lessonae.

psst. Oh btw?
They've been calling us Faecists too.

Feotus.
Or is it Foetus?

Feotis is a brother I know that would go upside your skull so fast it was yesterday if you called him Foetus.

Foetus. And oesophagus. I know these things because my mother told them to me.

They said that any analogy would break if put under too much scrutiny.

They were wrong.

A friend posted this on Facebook, so I can't take credit,
but I can pass along the goodness:


Nice.

Funny things happen sometimes, even on /b/.

Little known fact: I created this meme.

Because, you know: I'm Anonymous.

Doo doo, doo doo doo!
Anonymous!
Doo doo doo doo!
Anonmous!
Doo doo, doo doo doo!
Doo doo doo!
Doo doo doo!
Doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo!

I read this like that song Mah na Mah Na. I don't know if I'm supposed to or not.

Come on in, dear boy, have a cigar, you're gonna go far.

Heh, classic sje.

To be fair, they didn't all have white hair.

Skin, on the other hand...

My friend did too. R WE FRENDS!?!?!?

How happy is Bush Snr? Almost as happy as Ford and Carter. Single termers are happy presidents?

It's a good thing that Obama is the 44th president. If he had been the 43rd (or any other prime number) that chart would have been impossible.

The Commodore PET came out in 1977. Roast Beef has to be at least 37 unless he got into computers before he hit elementary school. His friends wouldn't be interested in them and he sure as shit couldn't afford one so I don't see how he would have used a computer at that age unless it was at school.

I am mostly posting this in-depth analysis because I saw there were 999 comments and wanted to know if AssetBar was maxed out.

I don't think he was alive when salt was invented, either.

First of all, I am old enough to remember the Assetbar 'hand face' adventure, so I can assure you that this strip is nowhere near the overload mark.

Secondly, I am only 33, and I vividly remember spending time in front of a PET at my grade school in the early 80s (My small school couldn't yet afford to upgrade to the Apple II).

10 PRINT 'ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME'
20 GOTO 10
30 END

ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME
ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME
ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME
ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME
ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME
ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME
ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME
ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME
ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME
ACHEWOOD IS AWESOME


This is a correct rendering of the output. The PET only had enough RAM to dump this ten times before overflowing some stack somewhere and crashing.

Programmers are quietly sniggering at line 30.

Oh, that's right--I think I learned much later that the 30-line was pointless! Please excuse my vestigial computing...

Some programmers are sniggering at line 30. Others are nodding with satisfaction that the program scope is well defined.

Some programmers are scoffing at the other ones, and doing that snorty laugh that terrible nerds do .

Okay pal, let's take this to the xkcd forums (btw, I do not and never will have an account there).

If your avatar is correct the only possible outcome of such a meeting is that I will end my days ignominiously buried in punch-cards.

It's not particularly relevant to this strip, but over the past week it's really struck me just how much Achewood has given me. Several of the most memorable moments and arcs in all the literature I've consumed, it just keeps popping up and I feel better for knowing it.

Thank you, Chris Onstad.

You gotta read more, get to some films. I mean, yeah, there's some laughs here, and some philosophy, but not the bleeding edge of anything. In fact, it's really the same old misogynistic testosterone crap, just starring cats and bears instead of frat boys. I'm not saying I don't love living out my hedonistic tendencies (bone!), but it's all derivative.

Your entire post could be a Frank Sinatra song.

It's alllll...derivative-

You gotta-----read more! Yeah!
You got to get to some films.
Make some mistakes!
Stop cutting the cheese,
Start cutting the cake!
I mean, yeahhhh,
there's some laughs here and therrreeee-
Just the same old cats and bearrrrrrs-
Instead of------frat boys! plush toys!
Some phi-losophy, some mi-sogyny-
In fact its just the same old testosterone-
hedonistic tendencies (bone!)
Crap! (Jack)
It's alll derivativvve......

I knew I was hoarding chubbies for something.

Did I clean out the last of the hoarded chubbies? Well, gracias, amigo. That makes it all worthwhile.

I did it myyyy wayyyyyy! cough, weeze

The guy who wrote "My Way" once said that Sid Vicious's version of the song is his favorite.

I don't care about Sid Vicious at all, but his version is clearly the best. Maybe the only good thing he ever did?

Quote:
Maybe the only good thing he ever did?


Well, I don't know. I mean...he did die.

Huge slam on Sid Vicious out of nowhere!

(Is that how you do it?)

YES

Owner of a lonely heart, so much better than an owner of a broken heart

I was going to say something like that, but I'm glad you did instead. I couldn't get the wording quite right.

It took me a few minutes to decide how to write it.

Well kudos on your temper. I was about ready to punch all of the dogs in the neighborhood.

wtf no i wasnt?

He stabbed Nancy, too. If the movie was any bit accurate, she deserved it.

That's questionable. I don't think he killed her.

OF course he did. Do you expect the movies to lie to us?

And Leonardo da Vinci painted symbols in all of his works. Look! It's Peter Rabbit!

Leonardo da Vinci was left-handed and almost certainly a homosexual. Of course he hid symbols in all his works of art that will continue to influence the world for thousands of years.

Duh.

If there's a choice between truth and myth, print the myth.

Yes Mr. Kane.

Daaaaaaang, man.

I refuse to watch films. What books do you suggest?

You won't watch movies but you like Nickelback? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. WHY DO YOU NOT LIKE POPULAR THINGS?

This is hilarious. Screamingly. I think if you just stalked followed him around the comment threads with that tenor, I'd have to break out the Depends about 10 years early.
V-chubs for both of you. Tell me you don't know who the Smothers Brothers are/were?

I wasn't really stalking him, I was bored on a Friday night and was refreshing Achewood and ctrl-f'ing [unread] so that Assetbarista will have its use.

Quote:
theguitarhero:I wasn't really stalking him, I was bored on a Friday night and was refreshing Achewood

I know, I know. That's what made it seem so hilarious to me.
That and the gibbering mania one sometimes experiences after a long day that started very early.

Have you noticed this: if you wanna make sure people see your comment, put [unread] in there somewhere, and then everyone who uses this venerable technique (thanks again, whoever it was who wrote the script) will keep seeing your comment when they go ctrl-fing a long board such as this.

But would he watch movies about Nickelback? Hmm...

This is stereo's life.

Lois?

Casablanca killed my grandfather.

Well, that and smoking a pack a day since age 13.

And by all accounts he wasn't a very nice person.

PRAY CONTINUE

"You prayed it for her, you can pray it for me!"

I don't usually "v-chub," but I ran out four days ago and this is somehow the best comment on this entire board. We can all go home now. Thank you.

Heh! Maybe, though?

It's funny cause I had to google it to find out you were parodying Casablanca , cause I've never seen it.

Duly chubbied. I still refuse to watch movies.

Well, if you're not going to watch any movies, that one's, by acclamation, one of the best to not watch. Of those movies you're not watching.
I also disrecommend Maltese Falcon and that other Bogart/Hustons collaboration, Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
Then you can be sure you won't ever be caught saying "______'s?
We doan need no steenkin _______'s" for just about any social situation.

just out of curiosity, what is it about Casablanca and The Maltese Falcon you dislike?

I love them. There is no Sardonic font here to indicate I was yanking his chain about all the great classics he will never see-
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near Tanhauser Gate. All those moments stereo he will never grok, they will be lost in time like tears in rain. Time to die." etc, etc.

On the other hand, his reasoning for not watching films with dialog is organically compelling. I'd give that a V-chub.

Some things you just can not avoid, for example I did see the movie my avatar is from. And I have seen the Treasure of Sierra Madre. I just never really got into that "talkie" sensation, give me a good book or silent film any day. I just do not learn much from movies and in general the pacing does not match my attention span well. Something about hearing noises just disrupts parts of my brain, parts I need to assimilate information or to analyse it. It's ok for an action film but more intellectual stuff flies right over my head so I've given up on the idea.

May I recommend "Hell in the Pacific" a film by John Boorman with Lee Marvin and Toshiro Mifune, it has almost no dialogue, "Two Lane Blacktop" also very little plus it has Warren Oates, "The Triplets of Belleville" an animated feature with no dialogue I can remember, and Luc Bessons "Le Dernier Combat" with again no dialogue, but with Jean Reno. Hmm two of the four minimal dialogue titles I can think of are French, French is too hard to understand for even French people?

I recommend Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs.

I mean, hopefully they'll make you appreciate talkies a little more.

I don't know, I don't think Quentin Tarrantino is a good bridge from silent film to talkies. That's like...too much talking going to fast.

I'd just recommend renting movies, muting them, and reading whatever subs you care to.
Speaking of Warren Oates, did you ever catch that one he did called Cockfighter? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071338/
No, seriously, straight face- chicken fights. Those were not stunt-chickens either, btw.

YESSSSSSSSSSS! Almost dialogue free as well. Hmmm I did realise later that one of my filmic recommendations did open with a scene of a man humping a blow up doll. Maybe don't watch that one if you are a bit of a wowser.

What about 'Castaway'? That has practically no dialogue for most of the movie, so you could watch it with the sound turned off.

Oh, and whenever Tom Hanks opens his mouth, just think to yourself:
.-- .. .-.. ... --- -. !!!!

It's weird. I'm looking over my DVD collection, and I honestly cannot see a single film that I would classify as non-wordy. No Country for Old Men... possibly? I just remember vast droughts of dialogue, probably because I am so reliant on it.

I read the book. Decent story. Didn't like the movie.

why not?

See previous posts about not liking watching movies.

Also, I felt the plot didn't make an optimal amount of sense without all the bits they cut out, there's a reason these things are not 80 pages long.

Good points. Sometimes you can make what is regarded as a great movie that fails miserably compared to the book source. Constant Gardener. imo.

"Two Lane Blacktop" rules! James Taylor acting!

Dennis Wilson acting!

Books, where to start? If you've read nothing, then "You Can't Go Home Again" by Thomas Wolfe could be a good place to start. And "Steppenwolf" by Herman Hesse. These are "coming of age" novels.

I've read a lot of things (mostly sci fi or related fiction) including Steppenwolf, I'm not saying Achewood made a profound difference in my life or anything, it's just floating around in my memory. More pieces to the puzzle that is life. The most recent one would be that:
Ray: Who's more legit? The cursed man, or the man who's cursed by the cursed man? Two souls chasin' each other down the same drain, dude.

It's not so much what Ray said as how I interpreted it, what I thought about it, and other things I was pondering at the time.

After that, watch "Harold And Maude." That is a "coming on age" movie.

oh man, steppenwolf is basically literature to plan your suicide by. "lord of the flies" is a good coming of age story, though

"Vernon God Little" is my favorite coming of age story.

A comment left by lucidz was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by rowboat, Scorpio_nadir, I_Love_Kate, RedPhillip, flynn)

You're just jealous because you can't self-fellate.

Whatever that means.

(did you mean autofelate?)

He's five.

five-year-olds are pretty flexi... oh never mind, that's just gross

I can kiss my own elbow!!!

How unseemly! I hope you intend to marry it, young sir!

I heard that will make you turn into a girl!

*hugs kickstart*

Where I come from, that's called action.
And I *got* some!

Love your new status line, by the way.

Assetbar Phillippe, it means to pour oneself a Ketel One!

Ron Jeremy must be a drunk, then.

Yes, alcoholism's so sad. And what's worse, he gets paid for it.

You're the last one.
*hugs lucidz*

Wow, there are a lot of comments here, even by Assetbar standards.

Anyway, I just got back from Quimby's. Doggs, it was just sick as hell. :D

also: this strip broke my mind for a little bit while still being good, then I read the comments and it got better.

I hope Onstad never posts another strip again and we just keep conversating on this one I'm learning so much .

I also enjoyed my time at Quimby's.
Here are the fruits of my 3 hour drive through the rain from another state:





*Names are available for viewing in the subscriber area.

oh man us non-subscribers are such absolute rabble you don't your first names revealed to us!

I can't say I don't understand.
Double negatives aren't that bad.

*hugs autopoupee*

autopoupee is actually a cooler version of my name


sje, you magnificent son of a bitch!

*blushes*
heeheehee

...and the man himself:



*Your awkward-looking nerd may vary.

Hahaha, that's amazing! you are so friggin' lucky.

ONSTAD, please come to Tampa, even if I'm the only one there...

(psst...I know your name already facebook friend .)

Someone I know was there and said it was basically 100% white guys with glasses. I am also told many of them were sipping cups of Starbucks and that when they got home from the signing they probably blogged about it.

SURPRISE!!







ahahaha, you totally wanted me before you knew who i was. also, i did not say they were actually sipping starbucks. i did say they all looked like what would result if weezer had a baby with an iMac.

It took me a second to figure out what was going on, but I must consent that this is awesome.

it took onstad a second to figure out what was going on too, after which he bent down before me on one knee, and the choirs of angels sang, and life was beautiful.

'tis a shame we could not do all the panels, but the man had a flight to catch.

Oh man, you just won like, ten points. That is a fantastic idea. You are ten points cooler now.

Shit, I just watched all of them again. Have two more points. Fantastic!

Damnit!? What am I missing here!! Curse you, work filters!

She did a variation on the cod-piece extensions the cats did long ago, on her bresteseses.

Also, she is totally hot.

Like fuckin' damn. You should find a way around those firewalls, seriously.

It's evil. Fortunately I'm going home soon.

We will see another comment from you soon then, for the pictures are that wonderful.

I hope there is more of this, and less white guys with glasses in Austin...but hope are low.

*hugs fattybeaver, reluctantly*

Careful lad, you could put out an eye

True, she is.

*hugs tekende*

*hugs davey-boy*

What a silly series of photographs.

Well this is just...

...boned?

NO.

Well, at least now you can show me all those horrible tattoo pics that you took down.

Hilarious! Too bad you couldn't get a "panel" of hedonismbot viewing it all through a window.

Do you see the world with perfect clarity? Are all of its systems unified in a balanced, eternal cycle?

Also you hell of gorgeous, your star tat's are neato, and that is pure genius.

actually, what i saw was the reason why some ladies get breast reductions. hell of burdened, yo.

you're not so bad yourself. all fully bearded, all sitting next to some scenic river stream, all connecting with your feelings to the gentle sounds of woodland creatures... check check check WOMAN.

Awww, the pretty lookin people are hookin up.

(A BLOO BLA BLOO etc)

Awww, you are very pretty yourself, John Adams

And he has that hot wife, Abigail.

*hugs aperson*

It is a mountian stream, fed by the winter's fall. You should come see it in spring, we could connect to our feelings as we are surrounded by the mountain's wildlife. Actually gophers and mountain lions are not sexy, but I guess we have rockin' campgrounds.

I need to stop hitting on girls on the internet...

But isn't that, like, your whole "thing?" Isn't that why you're here?

Sometimes I question my existance. This was one of those times. Moment of doubt.

Yes that is why I'm here.

Rowboat displays slight racism towards Hispanics.

Maybe Imigrants in general? I moved to the states from Canada, to hit on chicks.

The white man is stealing all our fresh white women!

I can barely control my hate for Hispanic Canadians.

Ironically, I know a Hispanic Canadian. And she is constantly stealing my women! I mean, damn.

All seeing you talk to some fine lady. All throwing a burlap sack over her head, throwing it over a shoulder, running away. You just stand there.

Well, really, what could you do in that situation?

You grab the ankles, I'll grab the wrists.

You could lend a hand man.

I'm in. I even have four sizes of sacks for different builds of women.

i befriend her knowing she'd never suspect me, i slip a roofie in her cosmopolitan during girltalk, and she leans on me for support, slurring things like "i'm so drunk" and "i love you" as it's kicking in. i get her home and tie her to a chair, arms behind her, legs open, and a whole lot of rope in between just for show. we wait for you to come home because this is the chick who went with you to that party in HS but then did sex with two guys there not even one of which was you, and now you can't get an erection without thinking about opening that door to find two dudes on your beloved oh jesus oh HELL why did she do that why did she have to go and DO THAT TO ME but we'll make it all better tonight, right honey, look she's right here, she's right here for you ... i'm sorry, what were we talking about?

VChub, my darling. I too have finally expended by chubby reserve, and must go virtual. VChub thrice, even.

*hugs redphilip*

*hugs right back, sje, for our Special Boy.*

If I came home to that, I would probably start crying.

"HoKnee I'm Hooome! Honey? Baby baby where... the garage door is open... OH MY GOD ARE YOU KIDDING ME *abloo a bloo bloo* You did this for me! Oh God I love you *a bloo rape rape a bloo* You are the best girl in the world *rape a bloo a bloo rape rape*."

To my mind, the idea of rape as onomatapoeia is one of the funnier things possible

Thank you, and you are welcome. I have been using it for a while now, six years I believe.

Handcuff yourself to your dates.

You sir, just gave me a new line. Thank you for adding to my vernacular.

Its why i'm here.

Autrepoupee, I am looking at you. Directly.

He's still looking at you. He has not averted his gaze or even blinked in twenty-four hours.

It is true love of the creepiest variety.

Only the creepiest for my obsession.

uh oh, my ears are burning!


seriously though would you please stop setting those warrants on fire right next to my face

Absolutely fabulous!

starring Jennifer Saunders!

if you're just scanning down the page without scrolling those pics, you get a series of panels in which onstad severely resembles nolan from the internet

*hugs tripleg*

*bro-hugs sje*

holy moly. you are one attractive female.

and you are, let me guess, walter matthau?

That would be awesome.

exactly correct.

in reality, this.


Is... is that a neckbeard?

Not quite, I would say.

It doesn't quite hit the neck. very close though. Right on the head neck border. I walk a very terrible line.

Such as a spider would covet.

By the way, it looks like I am probably going to the Brooklyn one tomorrow after all, so if anyone wants to say hi, I'll most likely be wearing a Genghis Tron hoodie.

In my mind I picture you as a bald professor snapping enthusiastically in a maroon coat, perhaps having fallen in love with a dead girl.

That was Babycakes.

man, he isn't snapping.

He is displaying the even weirder move, Gomorrah.

Why did I say that was snapping.

In my mind I picture you as a bald professor snapping enthusiastically in a maroon coat, perhaps having fallen in love with a dead girl.

I said "why", not "where".

i see. You are right.

Apology accepted.

I pictured you as an African American with huge pectorals and chains around your neck, but still with glasses.

You did not expect to see another tall, awkward white dude.
Yet that is exactly what you see here...

Although, anyone might look diminished, standing next to:
The Man With Ink On His Hands

Not to be rude to The Man but it looks like Chris has gained a little weight in the face area since that photo that was on The AV Club.

Agreed

There comes a time.

This is the sort of thing that happens when you are on tour. Never enough sleep, questionable food at inopportune times, perhaps more libations than wisdom would counsel, way too much time spent in cramped airplanes breathing someone else's exhalations. It's anything but pretty, and what it does to a body is anything but pretty.

It is a thing that happens to dudes who love food. It is beautiful.

*hugs hamscout*

*there* it is... I was slowly scrolling, with bated breath,
desperately wanting...

Heehee.

There were, in fact, two people I purposely did not hug. All the rest I didn't hug was because I didn't scroll far up in the page.

I was about to say, "is it me is it me!" then I used the search function...

Thanks man *future hug back*

Is this in poor taste? I hope not.


*hugs la chien andalou*

Congratulations, this strip's comments have now launched it into second place at 1212, trailing only the legendary Katz(whatever) Card Co., which had 2106 comments last time I looked.

Hmm, now the "Most Viewed" list has changed. BRB.

I don't know what's wrong with "Most Viewed" but it has some strips with onlu 300-some posts listed. Anyway, I got an earlier reading when I first logged in today, and this strip was closing on one with 1195, all I wrote down was "It's a" and I was going to post nonsense until this one was in second. Now it's a long way to the top, and I don't feel like posting any nonsense beyond this.

Find your nonsense, Pogo. Fill a need. Fill it .

*hugs smilebuddha*

You know that it would probably make more sense just to look at the Most Commented list, right?

Yeah, my bad, most COMMENTED. Fuck. Anyhoo, once I go look at 'em, they drop off the list.

Most Viewed probably involves people linking specific strips on other sites. The only ones with huge numbers of comments are the ones that have gone up since Assetbar was started.

When was that by the way. What strip?

No one knows for sure, but if you go to the profile of someone who was there from the beginning (spinynorman maybe?) and look for their earliest comment, that would be the one.

I would say that Zefiel, Catachresis or Centipede_Damascus would be better guesses, but beware. One of them is a dick.

I think Asherdan was here from the beginning too.

That would make sense. Deimosrising, too.

I lloked up Asherdans, and Spinynorman, but I'm not sure.
I'm thinking spring 2007.

I'm gonna say right around March '07. I started here I think in June of last year and the senior comments at that time were about three months old.

That would be my rough guess. I'd been reading the strip for years before assetbar, but I didn't register with assetbar for over a month, and I'm pretty sure I did it in May.

I don't remember the exact strip it started with, though.

Wouldn't it necessarily contain some posts that would hint at it being the first day of assetbar?

You'd think so, right? But I don't recall seeing anything like that during my numerous trips through the archives. Now I'm kind of tempted to go through March 07 one by one and take a look see.

I searched by how long the comments were. I think it's PLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAYYYYYY BAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL, or the one right after it. April 25ish.

I tried a few different methods, all pretty inconclusively, but I think it's a little earlier than the Play Ball strip...though, I admit, I swear assetbar did come into existence during the Stone Lightning arc, which would make that a likely 1st strip...but maybe that was the first time I actually clicked on the "discuss" option and read some of the comments (before registering).

Like I said, I tried a few different things: checking some known "old school" posters (asherdan and a few others) to see their first posts and oldest strips on "strips viewed"...but neither provides a conclusive answer (especially the latter, as it would have to have been viewed only once). So, I went to the "Members" link and went back to the first people who registered (and, no, I didn't click all the way back, just adjusted the URL to get close to the end of the list). Onstad is the first, and then I went through some of the others, same stuff. Still hard to tell, though.

I think Onstad's first post provides a bit of a clue: it was "Do I have permission to make comments?" on the "Vlad Flowchardt" strip on 04/19/2007.

But, instead of looking at comment upsurge around that time, it might be better to look at view upsurge; if you look at the Philippe Times from that month (4/13/07), you see the first time in April that the views go above 100,000 (~140K for that strip, actually, up almost over 30K from the previous days). The first few strips in April only start with ~40K, so it's a big upsurge halfway through the month.

Besides one or two strips in April after that dipping slightly below 100K, all of the rest of the strips after that are 100K plus (and, actually, Play Ball is one of the few that doesn't quite reach 100K, but the one after it reaches almost 200K, which might mean something).

Anyways, my initial guess after this makes me want to say it started with the Philippe Times strip, but certain other things I saw point to a few days later (Either the Todd or Vlad Flowchart strips), but then again, there's (equally shitty) evidence for a week or so later, during the Stoned Lightning arc (including a few more assetbar-related comments that hint at "hey this thing is brand new" type of feelings).

Fuck this we should just ask Onstad on the premium thing.

And I thought I was obsessive about things!

You probably are, but not about things that matter.

Whoa, huge slam on pogo out of scorpio!

No, not at all. It was a reverse slamma jam on fineoakstructure. I mean, c'mon, Pogo.
The kicker fakeout was "things that matter." I shouldn't have to diagram the play for you.
From now on, you want to play NBA street-style, you're on your own.

Brash talk for a rookie, no? Yo, now watch my spin reverse!

Well, when the thread gets plastered against the right wall, it's harder to tell who is responding to whom. (Unless you have the app and Firefox.) Anyway, even if it wasn't my slam, I took it in good humor. Now who's got the damn ball?

Yes, you took it in a good humor. An assist, duly noted. Ref has the ball, 45 second timeout.

I vaguely recall some mention of it, but I'm not lookin' for it. I have to do something at work today.

*hugs stereo*

Aw hey no need to do that, I already love you enough

Holy shit! More than one tenth of my comments are on this one strip!!

I guess it is the combination of a strip that has hung around for a long time, and me being home sick for days. But yikes, 49 comments (and counting) on a single strip.

1998 comments made.

I mean 1999.

Actually I mean 2000.

Yay!!!! MY 2000th comment!!!
*HUGS FOR ALL!!!*

I just freaked out when I saw I made 1016, or however many.

Dang I have more comments than hedonismbot.

Quantity does not trump quality, A.P.

Was it u who wasted all your comments on me? For shame.

Damn, I comment like crazy, but only have 2,416. Of course, you babble like mad, and I'm more like a rapier wit.

LOL WUT.

Aww, let's not be modest. You have the rapiest wit(?)

And Pogo had the rapist wit in all the land . .. .Going around, delighting children with his raping wit.

Did you watch that Frisky Dingo/Xtacles episode on Adult Swim last night, hedonismbot?

If not, and the rapiest pun was just coincidence, well, don't worry, you didn't miss anything by not watching the show.

Therapist told me to stop making these rapy puns.

Heehee. Therapist.

*hugs fineoakstructure*

It is in fact a terrible coincidence. I saw rapier and immediately went for the superlative.

I'm a simple man, with simple tastes. Though a lack of time and the deluge of posts above me will ensure you never read this, all I ask, Onstad, is that you just finish the tour, get your head back in the game, and give the world more strips like [url="https://achewood.com/index.php?date=10152007"]these.[/url]

I never thought I'd have to type one of these, but extraneous punctuation marks have ruined my post. Here begins my walk of shame.

listen, i agree.
i know chris onstad is, like, the busiest man in the world and all, but i kind of really liked it when that was because he wrote a five-time-a-week webcomic

You know you're not wrong when Eisenhower agrees with you.


"Sir . .. I think that the President's a Canadian."
"Well, as long as he's no Negroe."

I knew I was saving chubbs for something.

Welp, off to write my screenplay.

This is actually funny.

Thank you.

Yeah, agreed.

*hugs qingofchina*

*hugs ike*

*hugs khailautomatic*

Aw, he's reminding Molly not to take too much salt on her food! Maybe she likes the taste a bit too much. That's something especially to watch out for in old age, when your olfactory nerves subside a little. This is especially poignant given that it is a flash forward.

This comic inspired me to get more work on my tattoo. Amen Chris, march on brotha.

*hugs rasteroid*

I am not happy with this comic. Onstad needs to stop thinking he is a celebrity and get to updating.

I mean, honestly, at least give us fan service.

METACOMMENT.

I disagree. While he's taking a tour/sabbatical, we're solving our personal problems and deep psychological issues in this thread. If he holds out one more day, World Peace may break out.

But, Nooooooooooooooooo. Noooohohohohooooooooooo....

Oh, criticism, that's lame - watch me pronounce judgment upon you through the web interface. It's basically your fault, too, for getting me worked up. Internet justice!

I really did get two lames.

That, in itself, is rather lame.

I was way, way out of lames by the time you posted that (or maybe it was me....I can't remember anymore), but you probably got them because bitching about him not updating this has been done to death. Yes, it sucks. But it has been thoroughly pointed out from every possible angle that it sucks and there really isn't much more to say about it.

That's all.

*hugs tragicone*

thank you sje.

No new comic?

Ok.

There is this egg and a sausage in this frying pan, and their frying up real good the fat and butter are bubbling nicely, and then the egg turns to the sauseage and says "Gee it's hot in here isn't it?" and the sausage replies "HOLY FUCK A TALKING EGG!".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQkWrZw05P4

*hugs daedala_x*

Is this copy and paste? Or are you that bad of a speller?

I have short clumsy sauseage (sic) fingers and occasionally make the typo.

So there is this guy cooking up some sausages and an egg for his breakfast, he's just pushing the sausages around a little bit and waiting for the egg to get it's film before he flips it. The egg yolk kind of slips to one side and whispers, "Gee it's hot in here isn't it?" and the sausages spit and sputter, "Holy fuck a talking egg!"

So the dude is like, "What the hell I thought this food was dead, I am probably going to become severly ill from consuming this."

The man takes his spatula and pokes the egg yolk, golden mucus oozing across itself, then shimmies the flipper underdeath and turns it over. The sausages start shaking and trying to crawl out of the pan after this act of murder, but they are caught and quartered his the man's perverse spatula.

Also he had some toast.

That made my morning.

*hugs octafish*

1643! Solid second place on Assetbar's "Most Commented." Of course, the damn thing has been up for eight friggin' days!

eight friggin' frackin' days!

eight friggin' frackin' fudge-packin' days!

eight friggin' frackin' fudge-packin' draft-dodgin' days!

nine friggin days, dudes.

God Chris just throw us a bone so the fucking trolls will shut up (not you gowerski, others).

Or so that we may enjoy a comic that has been hopefully carefully crafted over 9 days. We should be so lucky.

It shall be the greatest comic of all time.
We're counting on you, Onstad.

He just posted a thanks and return on Tuesday. ONE MORE DAY BRETHREN.

Onstadt has been busy traveling the world and pouring beverages over the chesticles of lovely young ladies all around the country

While I sit here staring at the screen, a hand in my hair, elbow on the desk, neglecting German and Music homework just to see if maybe, just maybe, he updated while on the road, and, submitting to the fact that he hasn't, reading over the 9 days' worth of comments.

Fun fact: I forgot the word "submit" but I knew I wanted to use it so I acted it out by drooping my head and sighing and it came to me. 2:30am and tired as a Turkish lord.

Know what you mean, brother. Neglecting my Latin homework as well.

*hugs nice-on-water*

::power embraces sje46::

It's good work if you can get it.
You can get it, if you try....

*hugs scorpio_nadir*

Ah, c'mere ya little knucklehead.

"Noogie-Noogie-Noogie!"

Oh heeheehee! Stop it!

*hugs hedonismbot*

You might want to rethink that one...

Thank you anyway, kiddo

I will never shut up, screw you man.

What a rotten application of one's self.

*hugs zapatos*

*present hugs sje*

*hugs gowerski*

A comment left by halfdirt was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by KaMeT, prius_chaser, theguitarhero, sje46)

A comment left by desert_donkey was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by smaconi, daidai, KaMeT, tripleG, theguitarhero, sje46, thing)

whoa HUGE slam on sjeasdfdsf09er8ad9fx out of nowhere.

Too bad that he doesn't post here or even exist and both of you are huge gigantic douchebags and will hopefully die on your own vomit.



GET OFF MY ASSETBAR.

It should also be noted that, in a hilarious turn of events, whenever I scroll over halfdirt's avathing, desert_donkey's profile pops up.

Coincidence? fuck you in the ass.

Also it's the only one that does that.

Not on my account.

Treat sjeasdfdsf09er8ad9fx with some respect. He's a better man than you'll ever be.
(I'm talking to desert_donkey there, not you, hero del guitar)

I have NO idea what you are trying to say here, but ok.

I posit that both of us were up really late and I was just coming out of a Zyrtec fog so we have excuses.

I . . .I said that when I scroll over halfdirt, desert donkey's avatar doesn't pop-up.

And then I told desert donkey to treat sjeasdfdsf09er8ad9fx with respect. Because sjeakop9jukgas99 is a better person than he, desert donkey is. Then I clarified that it was, indeed, desert donkey, and not you, the guitarhero (whom I refer to by the Spanish appelation (el hero del guitar) to whom I was talking about.

I need to take a nap.

Oh ok.

yeah it stopped doing it, I'm guessing it was just a glitch.

BUT STILL FUNNY LOLOMGWTFAMIRITE?!?!?!

you also need a 'Lame' / gave you one.

wow.. you really said

[qoute]And then I told desert donkey to treat sjeasdfdsf09er8ad9fx with respect. Because sjeakop9jukgas99 is a better person than he, desert donkey is. Then I clarified that it was, indeed, desert donkey, and not you, the guitarhero (whom I refer to by the Spanish appelation (el hero del guitar) to whom I was talking about.
[/qoute]

that'd make a perfect example of something lame on something like Wikipedia.

What are you talking about? Just what the heck is this nonsense coming out of your mouth you call words? Why do you speak? Why do you come here? Go away please.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

Hit him, sje! Punch him! Then we'll go get drunk and I'll show you ALL pornos and stuff!

Gosh dang! It's taking my computer like 15 minutes to load this page each time.

This is the problem with having finished the archive. I miss having years of unread Achewood to read. Maybe if I bang my head some...

When I re-read through the archive over the summer I found a few strips that I didn't remember reading.

I just go round and round and round like Friends does on E4. Endless.


Whoa, British television reference.

*hugs i love kate*

I was starting to worry.

*hugs lowtrees*

I have to get around to doing this. After I read the blogs, though.

I have read through the archive from the beginning four or five times. Every time I find strips I had forgotten. This makes for a pleasurable experience a couple of times a year.

Also, it of course takes longer every time. That is also a bonus.

My girlfriend's shitty computer doesn't even try to load it at this point. Even my work computer is being a total diva about it. For this reason and also because of curiosity, I have decided to subscribe to the premium content. I didn't think I was going to, but as of two days ago this situation has driven me to it.

Let me say this - and I'm addressing the whole Assetbarrio, now - it is a sterile, dry place, the premium boards. I'm not saying that no one good is there. Falseprophet is holding court. My boy mattylite is all up ins. I'm there, and you fucking know how much you love me. Even Onstad pops in here and there which is always a treat. But still, most of the regulars are people I don't recognize who're all, like, "This is funny. Good work, Chris." Blah.

So come on over, people. If the thirty and over crowd can afford three bucks a months, I fucking know the teenagers can. Especially the ones living in dorms and eating for free in school cafeterias [glaring at sje].

Join us.

Sorry bro but tolls and shit have been draining my bank account like a fucking Nosferatu on a young nubile Eastern European woman. Last thing I need is ANOTHER money/time suck.

Quote:
So come on over, people. If the thirty and over crowd can afford three bucks a months, I fucking know the teenagers can. Especially the ones living in dorms and eating for free in school cafeterias.


I'm struggling to figure out the logic you used to come to this conclusion. If people with jobs and stable lives can afford it, then people with no jobs or income can too?

Sounds a little like socialism to me.

VChub.

You have given out enoug chubbies on this page, Friendly.

I went the same place from that comment, my professor brother.

Maybe it is a little confusing. Yes - we, the aforementioned thirty and over crowd, make more money than the teenagers. But we also have a million more things that drain that money than you do (I know you're not a teenager, achilles, but I'm grouping you with them because you're under twenty-five; that's right - you done been GROUPED!).

That's my logic, partially flawed as it may be.

Oh, no offense taken, I was sort of speaking for the teenagers as it is. Considering that I still listen to Thursday, laugh at fart jokes, and will still be living off student loans in five years, I will probably be identifying as a teenager for quite a while.

You still listen to Thursday? Me too!

A City by the Light Divided.

I like that album.

Full Collapse (their first album) changed how I felt about music, and I'm not exaggerating.

Full Collapse was actually their second album. Waiting was their first, it came out on Eyeball Records before they signed to Victory. I don't blame people for not knowing that since they never even play any songs from it live - the only reason I know is because I am from NJ and they used to play $5 gigs in basements around Rutgers. It's not as polished and consistently good as Full Collapse, but there are some amazing tracks on there (like "Porcelain") and it's definitely worth a listen.

Damn it am I gonna have to hand in my hipster card again?

Nah man, its okay. If you were talking how much you love thrice and emery, we would demand the card be returned. We might even hit you with some heavy objects.

:( I like those bands though...

See, guitarhero, this is funny to me. You went on that rant about how everyone here is always going on about really obscure bands and how it intimidated you. Well I've never heard of Thursday, Thrice or Emery. So, you know - it goes both ways.

Who returned that card to you?

Yes. Give it back.

*hugs rowboat*

I was wondering how long you were gonna make me wait.

I was going from the bottom to the top.
I quit like an eight of the way through.
I did miss a few somewhat-regular posters, though.

Can I have one? I been needing some hugs lately. *sighs pointedly at sje46*

I'm sorry. I like ou catgrl!
*hugs catgrl*
If you had posted more down south I woulda hugged you before.

You don't have to be sorry. Lots of people dumber than you like OU.
But you must put more into a hug or poor catgrl won't even know when she's been hugged!
Like so: {{{{catgrl}}}}

What the fuck y'all doin' back there?

eh? nuttin'.

Now THAT was a magnificent hug. Good sir, I would tip my hat were it not affixed firmly to my sides by the power of your embrace.

Think nothing of it, dear child, your quavering voice was crying in the cold wilderness for a hug that was yours for the asking.

There's also hot barley soup on the stove, I believe.

And your hat looks just fine, in any event.

sje, if she'da been posting more down south, you'da been blushing bad , son! Five year olds just don't know how to handle too much too-southerly postings, and you shouldn't be forced to learn.

You sure? Boy's gotta learn sometime. Might as well show him the pictures:

Now, sje, you have become a man.

*shudders*
I don't want to grow up! I like being a kid!

you are correct, they should not be forced into such things.

https://achewood.com/index.php?date=10152002

But sometimes we need to be held responsible for our actions, regardless of age.

Yay!!!
*MAXIMUM HUGGAGE*

do you think my teenage coke parties stock themselves with coke for FREE?

Being a teen takes a lot of cash these days, brah. I need that three dollars for little glass novelty pipes and an assortment of cold medicine.

I finally joined last week, but I've been very slowly reading my way from the beginning, and not bothering to make any comments (so far).

What surprised me at first was seeing a number of the "old" assetbar posters who, even back in the summer when the Premium site started, had seemingly long since stopped posting on the new strips and even the archives (zefiel, deancain, et al).

That would explain the pre-eminence of "this is funny, good work" posts that rowboat was talking about. I still get a good chuckle when one of them pops in here once in a while to chastise us for not talking about the comic.

So that's where they went.

My dad gets my credit card bill and he's going to think I'm paying for porn with $3 a month. I don't know how much porn costs, but I doubt he does either. He'll just say "Achewood . . .my wood is acheing?" Hmm. ASSetbarrista.

Hey, you's just jealous of my money saving ways *fishes slice of pizza out of trashcan*

ASSetbar, not ASSetbarrista. I'm sure you still got the joke.

Three hundred and ten more posts, and this tired thread vaults to the top spot on the Most Commented list.

We can do this. Don't let up.

Oh god I don't know if I can do this anymore.

I feel so empty.

(whispers chocolate covered Thom Yorke)

Milk chocolate or dark chocolate?

I think milk. I don't know it was a cover on this magazine I subscribe to, you guys won't like it though, it's a "Christian" magazine.

Well, I'm not a Christian, I am a Unitarian Universalist. But I am aware that there are some worthwhile things that come from Christianity. Most of those things are duplicated in Unitarian Universalism, without the parts that are unpalatable to me.

Living as I do in Oklahoma, I get up-close and repeated exposure to those unpalatable parts.

I didn't mean you as in YOU, I meant you as in the rest of everyone here, I guess.



Not as good as fully covered Yorke but I don't feel like busting out the scanner right now.

I was always wondering what your avatar was. For some reason I always thought it was a motor oil-covered Damon Albarn.

Empty as in drained of comments?

Or empty as in life has no meaning and therefore commenting is valueless, and not worth the effort?

Or empty as in hungry, and low on blood sugar, and unable to come up with further wittinesses?

Wow.

If you say wittinesses out loud with the right enunciation and inflection, it sounds like you are discussing small nurses.

That is jutst an awful thing to point out
yes just awful indeed

Oh god damn! I just threw up! I threw up because I looked in your eyes .

My cousin is a nurse, and she is quite short.

I feel pretty confidant that she would find that amusing.

*hugs glorify*

I discovered recently that every girl that dropped out of high school is training to become a nurse. All of them.

Another statistic nut! I'll chip in a few bon mots.

I'll chip your bon mot.

O, Guitarhero was right.. this just feels so.. empty.

*hugs kamet*

HUUUUUUUUUGS!

All embrace the emptiness. Dang. All nothingness, void, free-floating and stuff.

Why would we want to dethrone the Great Handface Weekend page?

Because "yes we can"!

That's not change that's more of the same!

*hugs guitarhero*

*hugs pogo*

Great Handface Weekend?

I have heard about that, but I haven't read those comments. Needless to say I didn't participate. I was away from Assetbar during that period, for reasons that aren't conducive to explanation.

But I was thinking about taking the top spot with this batch of comments, just to have something to show for the tiredness of nine days with no new strip, and all running out of chubbies 'n stuff.

I was also on an assetbar hiatus during the build-up to handfaceiness. I happened in by chance once it was in full swing and it freaked my shit right out. It was just jarring. I was intrigued, but I had to get out of there.

I can see how it'd be fun, though. If something like it ever happens again I'll probably play along.

*hugs biff*

I chubbied you, just to see if I could.

Yes I did.

I should run out of chubbies soon if I keep doing this.

Almost all the handfaces are gone, anyway, so that Kazenzakis thread must look pretty lame, except for some of the art.

*hugs elbow*

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I'm picturing you hugging your own elbow.

Saved the best for last, did you?

More like second, but whatever. :)

Just for the Hell of saying it, it took three hours to get one hundred of the three hundred or so comments needed to take this one over the top. That means finishing it off is not an unreasonable achievement.

Several have commented that it may be an unreasonable goal . I can see that.

I was being more than a little silly when I proposed going for the number one spot. It really doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

I do have to commend the effort of sje46 to fling hugs about right and left, both for the comfort of all the hugs, and for the comment tally boost.

I must off to school. I will be gone several hours. I will look in on things at that time. If the current pace keeps up, we will be at or near the top by that time. If, as I suspect, things slack off, then que sera sera.

I am just jonesing for a new strip.

My god! Am I rattling on or what.

Oh. That's what all the hugs were for.

I just thought sje46 was about to commit suicide.

?? I thought Lyle or Todd left the Extasy out where Philippe could find it.

i would have prefered you spread those out over several comments

creating some sort of self-referencing chain of comments

such as this one

I find those a little annoying. You don't like hugs or something? I didn't forget you, autistic kid in big shoes.

no no, i was talking to biff about his one long post about the need to up the posts. i like hugs.

And you were correct to point that out. I was an embarrassing failure on my part.

I my defense I will say that I was in a hurry to get out the door, and I was late to school.

I could have, and should have, done a better job though.

Especially since I am the one who started this nonsense anyway.

Maybe this will make up for it.

At least a tiny bit.

That'll do, pig.

That'll do.

I once posted 10 times in a row and was replied to 10 times by the same person.

All 20 comments were blank, all 20 got 1 chubby. It was pretty special.





Stop this right now.

Anybody want a peanut?

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Yes! This was my goal. Plus I love hugs!
I have to go to work though, now. Good luck, fellow Assetbarbarians.

Anyone know any jokes?

Okay I have one but I've told it on Assetbar already

What's brown and sticky?


a stick

Did you hear the one about the man who lost his left arm in a horrible smelting accident, and then on the way to the hospital the ambulance crashed and they had to amputate his left leg?

MY FATHER ONCE KNEW A MAN!

Is that it?

man has no left arm
man also has no left leg
they say he's all right.

Anyone know any jokes that can be made into haikus?
I'm thinking of those horrible pun book-titles we told in the 60's.

I could not find it
'til I read the bathroom walls:
the joke in my pants

what does the master
call a fish with no eye?
simple answer: fsh!

You mean the ghoti?

Ghoti is pronounced "fish".

There once was a man
Whose cock was so long he could
If my ear were a

One of granfather's favorites involves words that sort of sound the same:

Know how to make a hormone? Don't pay her!

My grandfather was a merchant marine. He knew all the other ways.

What's the difference between a hormone and a vitamin? You can't hear a vitamin

Touche! Now I have a second joke for my stand-up routine (under construction).

my stand up routine is best told in the bedroom, after a few bottles of jaegar have left the party.

Bereft of achewood comics as I am, tonight for supper I served two dishes from The Achewood Cookbook: Ray's Ruuude Chicken and Roast Beef's Basque Green Bean Salad.

The salad involves a couple boiled eggs, so I once again had the chance to marvel at the Cookbook's instructions for boiling eggs. So easy to remember, so reliable. I used red onions instead of white in the salad because I had just a little bit left over and it needed to be used. I don't know if the salad is still Basque with that substitution, it may be more Andorran. I like to pretend the red onion bits might be bacon. My wife liked the salad a lot better this time, because last time I halved the recipe, except I did not halve the vinegar. Sorry, honey! The salad is tasty and just could not be simpler.

Ruuude Chicken is roast chicken that you soak overnight in brine first. I put a little garlic in my brine, which is one of Ray's suggestions for "Kraaazy-Subtle flavor." I don't know if the garlic added anything to the chicken, but the brining step did indeed result in unusually moist and tender roast chicken. I shook some mixed herbs over the chicken before roasting instead of just black pepper, so that may have hindered my ability to appreciate subtle garlic influences. I had never brined before, but I believe I will brine again. Teodor also has a recipe in the book that involves brining. I may make that next, along with his Caramelized Onions.

Yum. I've got that cookbook, too, but haven't tried any of the recipes. Now I will.

I was just going to ask, are any of the non-comic Achewood Supplements worth it? I'm saving up to buy the big box sets of the comics but I kinda want the cookbook and the 'zines and Nice Pete's books.

So can anyone tell me what would be worth buying and what to skip over?

The cookbook is ingenious, and funny. It was the first thing I bought.

The brined pork loin. That's one of the very few recipes I've tried so far (my own laziness), and I was a bit underwhelmed, though maybe I fucked it up. But I brined that fucker for 2-3 days, and it was moist and all, but still just pretty much salted pork. The caralimized onions were pretty good though, but again, I think I could've done better.

The one recipe I keep meaning to try is the toasted nut orzo. But the most useful thing that the cookbook has taught me was it's defining mantra: don't be afraid to fuck up. I'm a single guy who's best recipe was not burning himself everytime on the top of the oven while heating up his Red Baron mini-dishes, but while I'm hardly gourmet or hardly Hardies, I can at least cook a pork chop and some simple peppers and onions.

Oddly enough, the recipe I've used the most is not from the cookbook, but the porkchop milanese from one of the books (might be a strip, too). I use that for porkchops (and chicken) all the time.

Goddamnit!!

I have got to move into a house with a functioning kitchen. My 1934 duplex with a phone booth sized kitchen and a broken oven just isn't cutting it.

Well, in 1934 there was a Depression on, so folks didn't have much food. Your closets are almost certainly non-existent also, since people didn't have much in the way to wear. Gunny-sack clothing, I guess, from the potatoes they didn't eat. Nor insulation, decent windowage- things were pretty spartan.
But they did build houses to last, what there was of them.

My God yes! Always brine your white meats. Chicken, pork, even turkey if you can fit it in there. Don't bother brining beef. Zest a lemon, squeeze it's juice out, and dump the zest, juice and lemon-husk into the brine too. There are some seafoods you can brine, but those you have to be careful with.

I'm interested in how he caramelizes the onions. Most people do it over medium heat in an hour or so. The super-secret awesome way is to go over low heat for like, 5 hours. Gets a deep down brown, not just surface caramelizing.

Given that at this moment, we are a very short way out from hitting most commented here, I feel I should post Hedonismbot's zillion different cooking tips. I would do this right now, for the children, but I'm making french onion soup in the style of Keller. It is almost 1 AM, and I am cooking soup. If I walk away from this soup to type, it will be unamazing. Also, I'd have to dry all the stock off my dong.

Always use homemade beef or veal stock in french onion soup. Always let it sit overnight in the fridge to let the onions and stock meld. Always hand-cut the onions; a mandolin will make them too uneven to cook well. Stir with a wooden spoon or erect shaft

You are the onion soup master!

Okay, it's at 1963 (a year I remember well - first kiss), and I just wanted to compliment you all on a thread of epic proportions. It contains the Obama victory, cool and disgusting tattos, a discussion of religion, runway hugs from our own Assetbar Philipe (sp?) some stuff about reading and movies, what am I forgetting? Anyway, kudos to the crew, and good night. I hope to awake to a new record.

Awwwwww you remember your first kiss.

If sje is Assetbar Phillippe you are Assetbar Mr. Bear.

Three Ps, I believe.
Philippe.
But yeah, a very epic thread indeed.

guys

can

we

get

the

record

tonight

?

Not

unless

we

get

a

few

more

comments

.

we're

almost

there...

It's down to under a hundred now.

But I have

things to do

and I must

do them now.

So it will

be up to

the rest of

you if we

are going to

make it over

the top in

time for the

next new strip.

god

future

generations

of

Assetbarbarians

will

look

at

us

and

laugh

.

ok guys I have maths shits to do, I'll be on before I go to bed but it's up to you all!

ok guys I have maths shits to do, I'll be on before I go to bed but it's up to you all!

Holy shit, I want in but I also don't want to be a dick. In more ways than one.

I didn't mean to double post i'm sorry.

Ouch. I know that must be really painful since math is so hard. Ray had a pencil....

I think this "single word post" method is cheating. But luckily, real posts will probably push the total over the top.

So uh guys I downloaded all this Tom Waits stuff because you all said he was good.

Now what? Where should I start?

drag the folder to your recycle bin

oh god damn it.

I would suggest Nighthawks at the Diner , or Swordfishtrombones or Frank's Wild Years .

Hi

I

dont

know

exactly

who

that

is

but

I'm

sure

he's

purple

monkey

dishwasher

oh

wait

im

wicked

sorry

I

got

distracted

what

were

we

we

something weird is happening. Itwon't let me post anymore, or else I can't see it. The buttons are really small.

Nevermind

Now.

I.

can

post.

Only a few more.

like, 8, or something.

7?

6

Whoa. Way off.
THIS IS IT. THIS IS THE COMMENT THAT MAKES THIS THREAD WIN.
*HGUS ALL AROUND*

And now I feel like Neil Armstrong.

Now.

a

few

more

for

security.

Okay

new

strip

please,

Mr.

Onstad.

Cheating.

Yeah way to kinda be a douchebag sje. Not cool.

I mean by hijacking the opportunity at a significant post with that thread, not by posting one word in every comment.

Really cheating, and I'm out of lames. Oh well, let the kid have his fun, he's only five.

I count 96 excessive posts, so it's only about 40 away from legitimately having more.


One interesting thing I found is that if you go to the "most viewed" posts, and then look at the ones with the lowest ratings, they are basically all ones where it was up for a week without any updates.

Uh-oh. An asterisk record for sure. Here we go. Call the Commissioner.

Actually, we have done some padding to make other records, it seems to me.*

*Like in Handface, weren't we aware of how long the thread was getting and farted around with posts?

You guys are aware that you decided that it was cheating after I got the post record, right? I was just doing what everyone else was doing. You made it against the law after I broke it.

Nah, people decided it was cheating almost immediately after I suggested going for the record.

We did it any way.

Don't sweat it.

So . .. so you guy aren't going to kick me out?

Not for that.

When we kick you out it will be for something totally different.

I want a HGUS!
(Highly Gracious Underhand Slam)

One small step for man, one giant HGUS for mankind.

Mule Variations, start with Mule Variations

Also start with actually buying the music instead of stealing it, Tom Waits deserves to be paid for his work.

That is also a good choice.

In fact, I would say start with anything but Bone Machine . That one is hardcore.

Unless you want to jump right in to the deep end. And in that case I would say start with Bone Machine

His back catalogue is hugeeee though and i'm a completist.

I'm sure somewhere along the way SOMEONE paid for this and I'll pay for his future works...

God I'm such a horrible person.

No. No you're not a horrible person. Tom Waits would much prefer that to you mugging some old grandmother in order to buy his....hmmm....

doop-beep-doop-dip-boop-deep-beep......Yeah, yeah, hello, Tee-dubya? Heya man? Hey! Yeah. What up? No, I got a question....just a what-if, yaknow...hypothetical...


Let me get back to you on that,guitarhero, 'kay?

Favorites:
Christmas Cards From a Hooker in Minneapolis (Blue Valentine)
29 Dollars (Blue Valentine)
The Piano Has Been Drinking (Small Change)
Mr. Siegal (Used Songs)
Little Drop Of Poison (Shrek 2 Soundtrack)

Tom actually re-recorded little drop of poison for the soundtrack using his right forefinger as a hook because the character of Captain Hook would be playing the song in the film. Plus my recommendation is to progress chronologically. From barfly to beatnik, to Brecht, to god knows what but I like it.

i think his scene with iggy in coffee and cigarettes is as good an introduction as anything.

ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!
TOM WAITS IS NOT A REAL DOCTOR. DO NOT LET HIM PERFORM SURGERY ON YOU!

*End Alert*

Aw goddammit! Now you tell me! My kidneys are probably floating in brine by now!

Small Change is a great album. My favorite track on it is "Step Right Up".

I still gotta say Rain Dogs. I don't think it's his best altogether, but it's a great introduction.

sj! You stop that grafiting this instant. And put that blue bandana away before you gets a cap in yo ass.

So sje's Little Nephew, not Philippe? I need an updated scorecard.

I'm sorry.
Am I a bad person now?
:(

No just misguided.

You are an atheist I can respect, unlike all you other dirty heathens!!!!!!!!

I don't wanna form an opinion on God until after I'm dead.

Let all the chips fall before you make your bid, and such.

Don't count your money when you're sitting at the table...

True, that. Also, learn which fork is the salad fork, and which one is for soup.

Even when playing Monopoly?

Ma, I rock at Monopoly.

Man*

I kinda prefer it to be Ma.

Come now, little Sje, put the game away.

But Ma, I rock at Monopoly!

Hey-O!

there will, indeed, be time enough for counting when the dealing's done

That's good. That's good attitude. Assuming opinions are still a thing after you're dead.
Have you checked into that? Maybe using Beef's NDE OOBE's as research material would be a start?

My fellow Assetbarians, you rose to the challenge and amassed a new record for comments. Let the record show that this was our finest hour. Your daddy, Pogo.

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Kind of makes me want to go back the Handface one and make it a horserace.

Pogo, your post sounds like lyrics to a Beck song...

Thank you Daddy.

WARNING!!! A well-reputed scientist has estimated that this strip is about six posts away from achieving black hole status. Please, for the love of all that is holy, don't do it!

I just tugged my balls RIGHT off.

I'll drink to that. Barefoot merlot, in fact. It's cheap, yes, but morons like myself find it tasty and agreeable.

A great thread to lose one's cherry on also, I should think. Yess.

Bartender! Make it a Cherry Dr. Pepper Merlot! In fact, Cherry Dr. Pepper Merlot's on the House!

Interesting. I had expected "Harper's 27 Women" to be number three or four on the list.

Wow. 3 are in the same month.

And it's all your fault, sje.

I wouldn't be surprised. I do post like a rabid lunatic on Benzadrine.

WTF is going on?

Man, I'd like to tell you, but I'm confused myself. It's a "Fuck Everyone Tuesday" by the looks of things.

And if I may reply to myself, apparently my version of Firefox has tweaked itself in such a way that I am now getting the Spanish translation of individual words when I mouse over them. So "Chubby" in Spanish is apparently rechoncho .

That is all.

¿donde este el rechoncho?


Saul Bellow is a genius.

I like the fact it's a vertical strip. I think I still have chubbies.


OH god damn is it good to have chubbs saved up.

fuckingtriedtochubbybutmysister'sinternetexplorersaidIlameditfuckyoubillgates.
I will seek out other brilliant hamposts to chubby in attonement.

Hey guys! Party in the past! I brought chips and everthing. Just scroll to the bottom.
It's for a good cause too. Help the Great Handface Weekend retain its place as the rightful "most commented"!

See ya there!

But i like whaat we got going on here.

where's the strip dawgs? it's been like a week and a half; I've got needs too

V-chub setzkin.

Okay, this is weird. The bar at the side lets me see only three comments or so. How strange is that.

And it just showed me this comment below those three!?! Curiouser and Curiouser.


Assetbar has been replaced to its original form! I am truly lost.

What is going on. Please tell me what is going on. I am confused. That post with Alice freaked me out because it appeared out of nowhere. I am frightened. Please help me by telling me what is going on and what you are talking about. Thank you.

Holy crap that is one of my biggest fears, just all of a sudden drinking some coke and I start growing and the ceilings and walls close in ...

Your fear is my dream.

Your dream is my reality.

Your reality is my fear.

...boned?

That sounds like a terrible post-hardcore band name/album title. If I had the skills, I would photoshop an album cover with faintly visible angel wings, flower petals, and unnecessarily flowing script.

the Permanently Bad Tattoos.


I think that about nails it.

I AM SO SORRY CHRIS I AM SO SORRY I DID NOT COME SEE YOU ON YOUR TOUR I HAVE A TATTOO THAT IS KIND OF NEAT AND I WOULD HAVE HAD YOU SIGN MY COOKBOOK I AM SO SORRY

barb wire = get down here, french me

why is this one the most viewed?

'Cause it was up for, like, three weeks.

It felt more like three years.

That's what she said.

good / stupi tatt story [bear with me]

i was outta town last weekend. met up with some friends. there was this new girl in the old group.

there was a 1/2 dollar sized maroon / red circle on her arm. look like a healing burn.

after a while she said something about her new tattoo . i immediately pipe up that i thought it were a scab... !!! i mean, she works in a kitchen!

uh.. she didn't pay attention to me the rest of the night. at all.

turns out it was some fancy writing, like "Love is eternal, but it lasts forever".. just some stupid stoner shit. but it had all this cloudy flowery coloring around it, same color as the writing.. hence, it looks like a blob / scab from a distance.

lols on me!

[/bear with me]

love is eternal, but it lasts forever

What? That is both redundant and erroneous.

I had to say that that's a great last name - Giacominello. Jah-come-in-'ello.

How you gonna see a tattoo under all that cat hair anyway.