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Ray shares a similar learning disability with most, if not all, UK university students.

Ray's learning disabilty is rather similar to mine. If it doesn't involve me somehow, it ain't worth learning about.

That makes it seem as if I learn from my past mistakes.

Nope. Not true.

In that case, I'm dropping awko 101.

Instead, add The Peoples History . Zinn would agree that history is a commodity. Bought and sold by the elites for mass consumption and pacification.

Learn the Truth -- Ray is probably no further off the mark than my eighth grade history textbook.

A comment left by buckmulligan was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by Scorpio_nadir, FablesandBlues, Audhumla)

You should feel bad.

But not because of that. Because of all the pirated music, that's what.

You have the temerity to say that I'm talking to you out of jejunosity?

I am one of the most june people in all of the Russias.

thank you for giving me one more reason to love woody allen.

Jejune jesuit.

A plump white European. Stately, plump.

If he refers to my mother as being beastly dead one more time, I'll sock him in his goddamn mouth.

Is she a deadly beast?

I read that and thought of George from Of Mice And Men. Then i imagined your avatar saying it in my English teachers voice. I'm strange but literate.

U.p.:Up.

Mrkgnao!

If himself had been told that his usylessly unreadable Blue Book of Eccles would retain currency on a yet-uninvented letters community Joyce would have replied: "I expected it to be so."

But what of Bluebottle?

HEY-O James Joyce!

I don't think you can know the objective truth. There are only a finite number of observers reconstructing something infinitely complex, and none of them are perfect, but at the same time they don't know that they are wrong and you don't know they are wrong .

Even the language prevents it - there are certain situations you can't talk about without influencing the way people view an event.

But sometimes they know they are wrong. European chroniclers of Columbus' journey chose to portray the natives as soulless heathens. This was objectively wrong (both factually and morally). The subjective schema of the Europeans perverted everything to fit its divine grant of dominion over all of the non-Christian world.

They don't get a pass for being myopic zealots.

come on, everyone deserves at least one pass for being myopic zealots

Yeah, but white people are waaaay over their limit.

Great band name, skinhead metal: Myopic Zealots

Because Indigo Girls was already taken.

I have no desire to type it all out again, but my contribution to this conversation is here:
https://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uua9xJWJH#comment_563
about 1/3 of the way down...apologies for the lack of formatting.

well put. and thank you, you may have unintentionally just made "his master's voice" more accessible.

Chubbied for attempting proper philosophical debate, but I'm afraid I can't see the objective basis for your claims. It's impossible to know whether the natives are soulless heathens or not, that's the joy of scepticism and epistemology. We can at best intra-subjectively agree that they weren't, but that's still not an objective distinction...

very june of you to say.

Great - Culture War Crap ™

I am a commodity, and I am for sale. Just please lube up before you use history please. After all you can use history to screw anyone you want.

Yes, but what you seem to be saying here is that I can screw history. That is what you seem to be saying.

I don't have a problem with this.

But our universities will always be older than yours.

Clearly your universities don't understand time travel.

That's why yours will always be five

We can't help that we're a fresh, young country (albeit the oldest constitutional republic on earth).

Oh, what now, smallblackdog?
You just got schooled... America style .

From shitty teen high school dramas and movies I can only assume that this is a Bad Thing.

Yes, getting 'schooled,' much like getting 'owned,' or even 'pwned,' is a Bad Thing.

Keep up with the times, jonno.

burrrrrnnnn

sorry. pwnnnnnnnned

Dang it!

Is that really something to be proud of? Rome was a Republic, and constitutions are a relatively new thing... the UK has had an unofficial constitution (so I'm told) for centuries...

OK, the UK did shame us by outlawing slavery sooner, but your imperialism - at its peak - makes America look like a piker. (e.g., Rhodesia, Palestine, India, etc.)

And we talk regular.

Plus they invented the concentration camp, which they would please prefer if no one mention that ever again, ok thanks?

Although a Republic in name for centuries, Rome was only a Republic in practice for about 200 years.

The College of Time Manipulation, at Oxford University, estbd 1348

I went back in time to found that sucka

remember those old Heinz commercials...

the guy would go, "Est_d. nobody knows what it means."
and then he'd make up some antonym meaning like 'Every..Saturday...There's...Dogs?' and jive li'dat.

funny.

those commercials are so ray. (avatar-comment synergy sighted)
some people know it means established but we laugh anyway.

I was watching 30 Rock the other day and suddenly realized that if Ray was voice by Tracey Morgan then I wouldn't be all that upset about it, not at all.

Wow. I'm imagining Ray shouting "I'm Ray Smuckles!" the same way Morgan used to go "I'm Brian Fellow!" and it's just... it's just right.

I actually imagine Tracy Morgan voicing Todd.

i imagined tracy morgan voicing ray this whole time. like since i started reading this comic. im so happy someone else said it.

What's wrong, Mr. Jordan???
I know you only make cheese people when you're upset about something.

I very rarely imagine voices for the characters, but pat's old therapy group buddy... the one with the star-shaped glasses, I always thought would sound like Fran Drescher. Anyone else get that?

I too rarely imagine distinct voices for the characters, but almost all of the ones proposed so far seem entirely wrong for me.

The one with the star-shaped glasses was male. I see him as a bit more like Paul Lynde, but not really.

Why are you sitting in your angry chair?

Really? To me, Todd sounds like Tweek from South Park .

Todd is Andrew Dice Clay with a stutter.

Todd == Joe Pesci.
The end.

Yeah, I thought everyone knew that already, s_n.

Chubbied for genius casting. Pesci does the over-the-top asshole archetype so well, he probably cribbed from Todd.

I see where you're coming from with this, but it is not what I initially saw for the character. I'm not saying you don't have a good point, but... man, this just isn't how I see Todd. I need to take some time with this one.

For one I see him as a bit more high-pitched. Not, like, squeaky because he's a squirrel, but because he's tweaked as hell.

Yes, but on helium

Andrew Dice Clay on helium!

This is perfect. I agree with this. My feelings on this asset are pro.

seconded.

YES

I feel like it wouldn't be a problem if Todd was voiced by Gilbert Gottfried.

Blister is obviously Brian Blessed.

[Brian Blessed]GORDON'S ALIVE![/Brian Blessed]

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I feel like it wouldn't be a problem if Todd was voiced by Gilbert Gottfried.


Or, Dustin Hoffman in Ratso Rizzo mode.

that is the most perfect thing to say ever.

Ray is from... History!

I just wanted to make sure he's from history. With relief, I can close my web browser.

Wait!
I do zees...in ze name of History!

ALTERNATIVE

Wait!
I am from...the Bastille!

well, i don't think it's just in the uk.

I managed to get away with writing a rap battle between "Krazy eyed Kennedy" and "Serious K" when was supposed to be doing a presentation on the cuban missile crisis.

I got a first on that module, so i must have been doing something right.

Todd would pay for the class that lets you experience the truth of pooping in a river, upriver from peasants. Peasants who deserve it

But how to determine which peasants really deserve that poop?
When Todd is in the right mood, all of them. And Todd is always in that right mood.

peasants always deserve to eat our upperclass poop.

always.

The peasants are revolting!

Well, they only bathe twice a year and never use deodorant.


they also stink on ice

So do the Canadiens.*


*I have no clue about the Canadiens. They could be having a great year. I am not a hockey fan.

This year they are stinking on ice. I say this having watched tonight's game. Oh me, oh my.

They are stinking on ice as opposed to...what exactly? Stinking on asphalt?

As opposed to ruling on ice. Which was last season.

Ok that makes more sense.

A retard should never pay to eat!


Wretched.

Wretched is the life of the rest of use that strive to gain knowledge but learn just enough to stoke our existential dread.

I'd give anything to be blissfully unaware.

I thought rowboat was referring to the 'asset' rather than the child.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure which one I meant.

Until your diaper needs changing.

And there are some choice Devo quotes up for grabs which would be extremely pertinent to your statement. I'll just let 'em hang out there for awhile.

Like a diaper
slowly getting riper.

I dunno, man. I think you might have just crossed a line there.

That line is the 21st chromosome.

Bugger that line.

I would pay for that class.

Obviously Marco Polo invented the polo shirt.

Now if only Ezekiel Buttondown would get the credit he deserves.

Jeez, I totally missed that. I even thought to myself, what a weird way for Marco Polo to be dressed. Damn this confusing world for making me too accepting of things that don't make sense!

I was seeing him on a polo pony with a mallet in one hand, little riding cap, all stealing credit for the game.

...While wearing a polo shirt. Face it, this has to be as Polo- oriented as possible. I mean, why would they name those things after him if he didn't invent them?

Of course the brand Ray is wearing is Brooks Brothers -- note the "Golden Fleece" motif.

I would have preferred Ralph Lauren actually.

[thurston howell]"Purple Label" of course. Not that licensed crap the heathen buy.[/thurston howell]

And maybe like standing by a pool with his eyes closed yellin' back 'Polo' every time his friends yell 'Marco.'

man that was a stupid game.

All accidentally spilling a bagful of mints on the work surface while he's drilling.

I need to start telling my vegan friends that they're talking with bacon.
I need to find some vegan friends...
I need to find some friends...

At least you have your cats.

Your dozens of cats.

Vegan cats?

Well, one of them may be into corn.

Really? My stepdaughter's cat is into Korn.

what a shitty cat

That's the most horrible cat ever, EASILY.

Nah, the cat could be into Limp Bizkit.

next up: the dog that likes Rush Limbaugh


Nipper is rolling in his little grave.

You mean Nipper is...ddd... dead?

there are some things worse than death.

For everything else, there's Maste ...oh I just can't do it...

For everything else, there's MSTRKRFT...

There you go.

I only have the 2 cats...now. I swear!

Your cats would talk with bacon.

Your sphincter would talk with beans.

avi/comment synergy chub.

Well, you know what they say about a single guy (gal) with two cats...

snigger

Probably likes cats?

oh man, he's not fucking those cats is he

whisper, whisper, whisper...

he's whispering to the cats?

He's the Cat Whisperer.

Meh. To spoil the fun I was referencing a Harvey Birdman issue.

I hope that show is still OK to like...

Maybe he's just watching the cats fuck.

Gal! You still have your handface pic up, you should remember me. :P

Your avatar makes makes me go AWWWWWWW

It is the only avatar better than fattybeaver's bouncing tits. And it makes one feel better about one's self.

I'll take bouncing titties over gnawing pussy any day.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

Hah! I do remember you... I was quoting a line from a T.V. show and by way of circumventing the pedants (none of whom showed up to recognise the line) I put your actual gender in brackets.

sigh.

I will be your friend, techiebabe. Oh what a friend I will be.

You realize that techiebabe isn't actually Kitty Nom Nom, right?

Yes. Yes, I do.

Hedonismbot doesn't allow me to have friends...
He does let me out for metal shows, and gives me the run of the house instead of keeping me chained up in the basement, though.

He...he does? Tell me, what does sunshine feel like?

He tells me it feels like burning.

Sunlight is what happens to bad little ones.

Flames and hatred... and hatred!

(Don't let her know, but she doesn't have the run of the house. I built a small, comfy house inside my house for her to romp around in. I originally planned to make a heavenly scented soap out of her, but her avatariconitard makes me so happy, I built her a tiny (2000 sq ft) house to frolic in. Still haven't given her clothes though)

Yo, dawg.

Nice, can you send me some pics? Of her without clothes, I mean, not the house-within-a-house.

Is this what happened to loneal? Soap? I haven't seen her about the house lately...

Oh, but you have seen her. You two have been very close. (I'm implying that you wash your jibbly bits with her in the shower)

Though to be fair, she was a little scrawny to make much tallow out of. I rendered maybe a 6-pack of Irish Sprang(sp) out of her

*sigh* I'll miss her kind manner, and lovely body. Even when she was being a vittles bitch, she was at least amusing to me.

Two ladies lasciviously lathering their breasts, slowly, in the shower with soap made of yet another lady. Is hottest threesome?

NO

is hottest threesome wanked into happiest sock

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Last panel: what I'd do if I built a time machine. *sniff* Damn you, Onstad.

Is ray pantomiming driving in panel 3?

I think he is riding an imaginary horse.

Wait, are you serious?

Fuck no.

Ray bought a horse for that panel.

He bought an invisible horse from wonder woman?

Well not her horse but an invisible horse

OH MY GOD I SEE IT

THE MAYOR.

O, THE MAYOR.

He is imagining riding Tina.

More history should be rewritten to play out like a mindless action flick.


Chubbying you any harder for this would be detrimental to my health.

And his health.

Ray should get himself a Roomba and play with T and Beef.



[i]Production note: Photobucket may be upset with my recent bandwidth... stay tuned, if this doesn't show...

Oh Hamscout! Photobucket hates you.

Damn, dogg. How do you go over 25 GB/month ? Hastily Photoshopped Buggery alone can't eat up that much bandwidth, surely?

I still prefer TinyImg because I almost never have that sort of problem with them. However it would appear that they take issue with charts listing proper places to jizz.

I think a chart of improper places to jizz would be shorter. (In fact, I can't think of any.)

Well, it basically existed to specify that if you are not interested in the exciting new delights of child support there is at least one place that you should consider as a Do Not Jizz Zone.

As always the face is something you should really be certain of first. No need to be a dick about your dick.

My elbows are a No Jizz Zone.

I also draw the line at "wrist deep in pussy".

If you know a large animal vet then you know someone who owns and has need to own shoulder-length rubber gloves.

A challenge!

FUCK YOU, PHOTOBUCKET!
FUCK YOU IN THE BANDWIDTH!



I know this line is used alot, but this will never, EVER have the amount of chubbies it deserves.

I know, it already has too many.

No offense to hamscout, but it's just not doing it for me.

The best two comments are The Lyle Creation Myth and Teodor's Insane New Dance Move. FACT .

You really are a bit of a downer. Such an eloquent, eloquent downer.

I don't think I said this was the best comment (if we are going on actual text of a comment, I think the CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL PSA made me laugh harder than any photoshop ever could), what I was trying to say was that it was a Chuckle-Filled 'Shop.

I mean, come on. Picture a rap song with some dude in the background yelling HE'S GONNA INVADE.

Get T-Pain on that track and it'll sell trillions.

Perhaps it would be funnier if I did not view rap videos as basically the worst thing ever. I cannot even appreciate parodies of them as I have spent the majority of my fortune keeping myself safe from ever viewing them.

Teodor's Insane New Dance Move is the landslide winner. 450 chubbies? Something like that.


1965?........

Houston, we have a failure here.

I too have a learning disability. It is called Inability To Remember What I Just Looked Up On Wikipedia Like Three Minutes Ago. Jesus.

But you remembered the name of your ludicrously-long disorder.

Because he looked it up on Wikipedia only TWO minutes ago.

Thanks to you, Ray goes back to Dallas in 1965 and finds a museum on Dealey Plaza, nothing more.

The LBJ Freeway is being built around the Dallas metroplex. The sitting President for whom it is named, a Texan with no military experience, vows never to get caught up in a land war in Asia, while plunging the nation deeper into the most pointless war of its history.

The Spanish-American War?

The Franco-American War?

Iraq?

An embarrassing bounty of pointless wars.

God Bless America!

Yes, with that gastronomic general "Chef" Boyardee.

All lettin' loose with the howitzers on your colon.

You shouldn't have admitted to it being a problem. I mean, Ray doesn't know shit about history. Pass it off as intentional because Ray isn't too with it and wants to be able to experience a moment that is historically important to another generation.

And so Ray finds himself leaping from life to
life, striving to put right what was once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next Leap will be the Leap home...



ray isn't that thin but i applaud your efforts

Oh, Ray. You really do try so hard at history.

Oh shit, Onstad is pre-empting the Acheworld discussion with footnotes. He's onto us!

Peasants and faeces first!

Peasants in faeces, face first?

peasants drinking the faeces with their faces. first.

Life is a faeces sandwich -- the more bread ya' got, the less faeces you gotta eat.

[sounds better in the vernacular; I agree with Webster that we should Americanize the language]

Pat is awesome in this strip. I am confused. I'm having some strange feelings here.

Assuming so confidently that Ray has a learning disability is pretty standard Pattishness.

Ray admits his learning disability quite explicitly, I feel.

kinesthetic learning is a recognized learning style, not a learning disability

not that i'm one... thank god

Always knew Hendrix was an omelette man. Man's got class.

I want the Titanic do-over. And I want to get the Indians a better deal for Manhatten.

And have "D-Day" turn into an argument over Germans buying Normandy for beachfront condos.

Wait, that is a fucking tiny horse!

It is possibly a fancied-up rocking horse.
(So chubbied for pointing out that horse is totally not to scale.)

Probably one of those little horses you see on local news segments. Be Hard for Ray to crawl up on an actual sized horse, I figure. As long as you get the basic kind of picture, I think the size of the horse isn't the most important thing here.

...it's the "motion of the stallion" , baby...

It's not the size of the horse, it's how you ride it

Oh great, put all the onus on her.

Or him.

Maybe its a pygmy pony (like they have in Montana).

Some women (or men) do not like to have all the anus put on them. They may find this distasteful for many varied reasons. Others crave it in ways that you and I will never understand or experience.

Pics or GTFO

Look out you son of a bitch
Goddamn motherfucker
Do you know who you're fucking with?
You're fucking with the stallion, mang
You're fucking with the goddamn stallion, mang
You're fucking with the stallion, mang
Goddamn piece of shit
On my dick you should sit
Do you know who you're fucking with?
Prancing stallion -- oh ho handsome -- prancing on the grass
I'm the fucking stallion, mang -- the stallion

I had a feeling this was coming.

I hate to break to Pat, but that exists already.

It's called Colonial Williamsburg.

Doesn't Ray do this sort of thing already?

only when sort of stoned.

Is that Weird Al boning the Liberty Bell?

The American historical artifact that I... boned?

That reminds me of one of the first sketches on that Demetri Martin show, where he plays a janitor who finds a time machine and goes back and fucks people from History.

One of them is Betsy Ross.

Dayum! I can actually see the top from here. I mean usually if I comment I am all down somewhere in the sub-basement's drainage ditch. This strip must have just been posted like 3 minutes ago, hmmmm? Funny about the Hendrix reference; earlier I was looking at the Who's tour schedule in the 60s and kicking myself in the back of the head. "What the fuck was I doing the nights of June 15 and 16, 1970 when the Who were playing Berkeley Community Theater?" "NOTHING, FUCKING NOTHING! AGHHHHH!" Christ, I was like 15 years old and with a good start early in the morning could have literally walked to the fucking theater. Life was so granite bound before you could look around on the internet and see what's happening. You kids have no fucking idea how lucky you are not to be living the fucking dark ages! Fuck! Two nights in Berkeley! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!

You..
..Are you okay?
Would you like a soda?
You're so angry .

Just the regrets of missing so many thing by *that* much. I was so damn close, but almost never got there. Hell, I wanted to go see the Beatles in the summer of '67, I knew about that, but couldn't raise the $5. Try to imagine. Now it's all gone. The true greats, the mainline of the *real* golden age of Rock and Roll are almost all dead. Like... ...Jimi... 'ya dig?

It's most def a different culture now; there are very few blockbuster bands that are big AND good, and even those that I can think of are certainly not at the level of bands like the Who and the Beatles.

On the other hand, there are so many smaller bands that make fantastic music and tour all the time. The internet has also given us the ability to enjoy things that haven't blown the entire world away, but are still amazing. The fact that I own about 5000 songs and still don't have nearly every song I enjoy is something really crazy to me. So is the fact that I could probably go see a band I enjoy every month, even in my small city in Canada. Maybe not to the extent you describe, but still!

On a side note, living in the internet age is a blessing and a curse. It gives us access to all kinds of experience but also dilutes our life in a way, because there are so many things vying for attention that it makes it hard to focus on any one thing that you enjoy.

The question, to me at least, is whether it is better to have been around at the time and able to miss out on seeing it or to be born twenty years later and completely unable to experience it firsthand at all?

What you have most of when you are old is regrets, so I'm going to go with the second option, and know that I can't regret something that I never had the chance to do. In the meantime, I will try not to miss out on the experiences available in my lifetime.

Its far better to regret something you have done than something you haven't

And by the way...

If you see your mother this weekend be sure to tell her

SATAN!
SATAN
Satan
satan

I got in trouble for blasting that one at my Catholic College.

$5 for a Beatles concert. Let's all sit and really consider that for a moment....

Roughly $30 today. Can you imagine paying anything even remotely near that level for what is arguably the most popular band in the world at the time?

Tickets would be at least $80 face value these days and that's before Ticketmaster gets through raping you or you have to end up going to scalpers because all the tickets sold out in the first second since 60% of them were already given away to radio stations, corporate gifts, and the like.

I remember when the Smashing Pumpkins played their residency here a few years ago. You had to show up, get your ticket from will-call, and then they escorted you in and there was still plenty of scalping. A ton of it from people who bought their maximum allowable two tickets per night and were trying to meet up with other people who already had tickets so they could go on multiple nights. I mean, they tried, but for something like that I'd say no advance tickets is the only way to go. Let the seriously hardcore get it because they're willing to put in the work. It would suck, but at least I'd know that I missed my shot in exchange for a guy who was prepared to live in the line for a week.

Quote:
I'd know that I missed my shot in exchange for a guy who was prepared to live in the line for a week.


But you'll see your mother at Thanksgiving nonetheless.

I'm slightly confused by this. Perhaps mostly because I have not seen my parents for Thanksgiving (or, for that matter, at all) in at least three years and I have no plans on doing so at any future time. I think it's closing in on six years since I last saw my father. I mean, I talk to him on the phone two or three times a year.

Growing up holidays were never a family thing and we never, ever spent them with any relatives outside of our immediate family.

I'll ignore the fact that your literal reply sucked the life out of a not unfunny mother joke.

I'm in my forties and I have at least a meal a week with my parents. Your mother loves you -- give her a break.

He already did. He said he hadn't seen her in a while, right?

I hate Ticketmaster. I am about to buy tickets from them and their convenience charges are upwards of ten dollars now! This is for twenty dollar tickets!
I don't understand how they managed to get such a drastic monopoly. Last year I searched around for other alternatives and couldn't find anything.

I will be phoning the venue beforehand, though, and hopefully they can sell tickets to their own damn event.

Haha! I bought tickets directly from the box office in the past and was charged a fee because I used a credit card for a pair of tickets. When the show was canceled they refused to refund the fee.

I read in the information for last year's Outside Lands Festival that if you didn't want to buy them online and pay a fee tickets were being sold from a local box office, were cash only, and there was a convenience fee to buy them.

Other times you'll have shows, like Smashing Pumpkins a few years back, where sales were only online and there was a fee.

Most venues don't sell tickets to their own events, do so very grudgingly if they do, and tend to still charge you a fee to buy them from the box office or just a de facto fee where you pay less for advance tickets than day-of-show.

I've been lucky though. Some local venues (the ones that aren't owned by LiveNation and their vertical monopoly) sell tickets online and only charge a fairly modest $2 fee to buy online. I hate being charged it, but considering taking the bus there would be $1.50 it at least works out.

I recall from the last time I bought tickets from TicketMaster that they charge you more or less exactly the upward limit of what they're allowed to before they would start running afoul of anti-scalping laws. They tend tack on a bunch of other fees (my favorite is the payment processing fee!) on top of that which I think they get away with because they're not for the ticket itself, but the ability to buy it. The extra dollar to print the damn thing at home also really gets to me. Why in the hell would I pay that when I can get it from will-call or mailed for free? Shouldn't they encourage you to do it yourself?

It was fun times, crazy times, fucked-up times just like now. I don't miss any of it, and I'm glad to be living in these interesting times.

I'm so Glad (I'm not glad)
I'm so Glad-
I'm Glad I'm Glad I'm Glad..



I wonder if she's glad.

Gentlemen, I think we have found gladi8orrex, through an unwitting admission.

Fetch me my truncheon.

Feltch me my luncheon.

No.

Oh Lawbot, look at the gift you have left us...

Aw man, am I gonna have to get the pooper scooper again?

Make it a Bobcat.


Alright did someone order a Bobcat?

My God is that man ever ready for a Rourke-esque comeback.

Mein Gott, Kafkaesque, more like.

Oh shit... look Bobcat... if I grab your feet, and you open your mouth I think we can do this... stupid damn conceirge service last time I ask them to...

You don't even miss the fact that back then you could turn on a popular radio station and not wish you were dead? Surely you must miss at least that.

I don't miss that. Even then the "popular" radio stations played crap about 70% of the time. The only thing, THE ONLY THING that saved my poor dorky suburban ass from complete crapotomy was that I stole my dad's FM tuner to see what it could do on the second floor of the house and found this station: KMPX! They played real music. They are long gone.

I will never forget the time the announcer said, "We have the first album here by a band called Hot Tuna. Of course as you all know [I didn't!] that is Jorma Kaukonnen and Jack Cassidy from the Jefferson Airplane in their side project." He played the whole thing from beginning to end. I still go see those guys every chance I get. Thank you KMPX!

They were still touring the summer of 67?

You're right it was '66. They played at the ballpark in St. Louis where I lived then. I knew they were going to play, desperately wanted to go, but as far as I could figure it had no way to raise the $5 or get to the show. I was a retarded 11 year old dork. Course in 1966 who figured that the Beatles would already be done? At the time I consoled myself with the thought that no way would I miss them next go round. *[strange sort of ironic rue type] sigh*

Well, they did have one more concert.
[Now randyleepublic courses himself for not being in London in 1969]

You know, for as awesome as it is to see the film of that show, think about how shitty it would've been to have actually be there at the time. I mean, it would've been cool to know that they were there, and all. But talk about terrible seats. You would've had to have just taken peoples' word that they were really even up there.

Wait, what? You know that they have footage of it, right? It's the second half of the Let It Be documentary.
There was a crowd of people sitting right in front of them, although I can't say how many of them were their posse and studio engineers and such. I do think some of them were people off the street. Also, there were a lot of people climbing to the nearby roofs. Try [ul=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6G7MkBMVxE]Youtube[/url].

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6G7MkBMVxE

I've seen it, man. I got the impression that most of the people on the same roof with them were entourage sorts. And I know some people were lucky enough to get to rooftops and that kind of thing, but this is the last Beatles show, yes? It just seems like Hyde Park or somewhere like that would've been more appropriate. I know they were eccentric geniuses and all that, but that shows that they had very little respect for their fans. It's insulting, now that I think about it. The physical arrangement of it speaks volumes about how they saw themselves in relation to the rabble.

Bands shouldn't have any obligation to play in front of the most fans possible :/ It's up to them.

The Wikipedia article is interesting
Quote:
A number of possible locations for the proposed live show were discussed during the rehearsals, with the leading candidates being the Roundhouse in London, a Roman amphitheatre in North Africa (where the Beatles would allow the audience to slowly fill the amphitheatre during the day before eventually performing either at dusk or dawn) or a cruise ship. McCartney also proposed a unusual concert tour in which the Beatles would turn up unannounced at university halls and small clubs around England to perform, an idea that Lennon apparently regarded as preposterous but was later carried out by McCartney with his post-Beatles band Wings. At one point, John Lennon jokingly suggested that he was "warming to the idea of doing it (the concert) in an asylum".[2]

I think the asylum would have been awesome . . .
Quote:
The live concert idea culminated with the Beatles and Preston performing 30 January on the rooftop of the Beatles' Apple Building at 3 Savile Row before a small audience of friends and employees.

I guess that was their intent. I don't know why they decided to play on the roof. I suppose that they just wanted to get it over with. They didn't want to go to Hyde Park or whatever, dang it, let's just do it on the roof!
I am not a city boy, and I have no clue how audible the music would be, how distracting the sounds of the street would be. I do think that most people heard it, at least a little. They were looking up, the police were called. Yeah, a lot of people heard the song, even thought they couldn't see the band or even really know who was playing. I wouldn't call it insulting, though, it it was just for friends.

heard the concert*

It was their call. Whatever. I guess any bad will eventually get to the point where they don't care about their fans. I guess it probably happens right about the time they realize that they have more money than Saudi Arabia.

While it certainly has issues and I agree that it would be more or less impossible to see I think the general idea of it was that they were doing a last concert and the damn thing was free and in public.

I, however, agree that a free show in Hyde Park would have made a lot more sense. Maybe do it as an unannounced sort of thing. Just go to the park, set up, and start playing like anyone else out busking. Fuck, how terrible would that be in compared to now? The Beatles played their last show for free in the park and you were just sitting at home or stuck at work or out running errands or something.

FDASJKFDSBJAF
The Beatles were playing their last show for free, and I was just wasting my time not even being a sperm yet in my father's 11 year old body.

Oh man what a year to live in my fair city. Bob Gibson, Tim McCarver, Curt Flood, hells yes.

The Curt Flood was a terrible time for St. Louis. Nearly wiped us off the map. We're still recovering. Not [blank], not [blank], not a good [blank].

But on the other hand, you didn't have to grow up on the internet. Or in the '90s.

Who's the lucky one now, huh?

Would have been me, except that I was in suspended animation all those years. Undiagnosed severe Sleep Apnea. I was a zombie for 30 plus years and had no clue what the problem was. I only got a grip 3 years ago about the time I finally stopped self-medicating long enough to graduate from college. So I am in the same boat as a lot of younger folks right now: all set to go, but nothing is happening much, and a lot of what is happening ain't so swell. I'm not complaining mind you. Damn glad to finally be awake! And, hell, I live in Califreakinfornia, what me worry? Still, if not for the Apnea, I know that I would be in a very different situation. Just saying. I mean, I was living in the suburbs of Northern California when Jimi played in San Francisco, I am sure at least once. Clueless fuck that I was, I didn't even try to go. Some kids my age had bailed on Suberbia and were hanging out with the Dead and the Airplane. They didn't miss Hendrix or Cream! WTF was I thinking about?! Such is history.

Well if it was a medical condition you aren't really to blame. Like how I passed up the opportunity to go see Nirvana because I came down with a bad case of being high as shit on nail polish - nothin' I could do about it.

Modest Mouse played here in Phoenix about a month ago, and I went in spite of being high as shit. Not on nail polish, mind you, but still... at the door they asked me to rip the barcode out of my printer paper concert ticket so they could scan it, but I heard "lick the barcode", and I complied. I recieved the dumbest look of my life and was told to "get my shit together" by the doorman. Good times.

"Lip" my stockings

I'll say it anyway... I wasn't that impressed by that movie. The set pieces although great, we're perhaps not worth the plodding progression.

I'm not impressed by your impression of that movie.

Well, we agreed about a movie on the last board, tekky, and now we'll disagree about this one. When it was over a felt like I'd been slapped. Really? Nothing is going to happen in this entire movie? I don't mean Murray and Johansson getting it on, or anything like that. Just anything memorable. Nope. It's over. Go away.

I've given that woman several chances and she has done nothing but disappoint. Elsewhere, The Virgin Suicides was decent, but it should've been great. It was an eminently filmable story and under more able guidance I believe it could've been a classic - which it clearly is not in its present form.

Anyway, face it - if her name was Sofia Smith she'd be just another film school dropout working at the mall.

like the whole movie was the French Plantation Scene

Whoa, yeah. Maybe it's hereditary.

He's made about five good to excellent films and a lot of fairly forgettable and mediocre ones. It's not the best ratio out there. That, of course, would be Kubrick who kept his number of films small enough that he never really made a truly bad film. Eyes Wide Shut wasn't quite up to the caliber of his previous work, but I'll be damned if I'm going to say it sucked.

I watched both Eyes and 2001 this week. Stanley's one mean motherfucker on the mise en scene .

Didn't the girls at the orgy remind you of the tables at the Karova?

Yes. I need to get around to watching EWS again soon. I still haven't watched the uncensored version yet and it's just sitting there on the damn shelf.

Please do it, although not blindingly good, it's just so... mesmerising.

Well, I saw it opening night at the theater and I saw it one time and had to pause it in the middle so I could properly get my bone on, but I do not think I can say I have truly seen it until I have seen the extra five seconds of unobscured orgy nudes.

Fuck Kubrick, Leone all the way.

i thought the whole point of that movie was nothing was happening. i thought that it captured that feeling of aimless flux quite well.

All I'm sayin' is if I'm gonna watch a movie in which nothing happens for art's sake, it Goddamned better be in French.

more rude titties mos def would have improved the viewing experience (although then my sister would have walked out and we could not have had a two hour debate about the closing scene)

In the end she whispered "It's OK, Bill Murray. No matter how little you care about this project as evidenced by your performance, you'll still get paid like crazy for it and art kids will call it a tour de force and anyway you'll always have Rushmore and Broken Flowers. IT WILL BE OK, BILL MURRAY!"

You can say whatever you want about the movie itself. But I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and let you say that Bill Murray's performance in it was anything less than stellar. Yes, it was quiet, it was tired, it was lackadaisical. It was SUPPOSED to be. He was playing a man who, for all intents and purposes, has forgotten how to take any joy in life, who can go to fucking JAPAN and not enjoy it whatsoever, and to top it all off, he has insomnia. If you ask me, Murray conveyed all of these things, and more, perfectly.

I'll accept that.

Trust me, I love the man.

Yah. For the record, rowboat's description fits my feelings pretty much perfectly, not only on Lost in Translation but also with Sophia.

You hear that rowboat? You know my feelings .

Yeah I didn't like Lost In Translation either. For me the whole movie was "Christ these people are in Japan and not enjoying or appreciating it and they keep making fun of the people there making the same joke over and over again and I'm supposed to feel bad that they didn't wind up together?"

STOP FUCKING SPOILING FILMS.

Also I thought I'd add The Life Aquatic to the list of films that Bill Murray was excellet in.

I wish that, through the magic of technology, the Bill Murray from Life Aquatic and the Bill Murray from Rushmore get to meet in a bar for a short film and just share their life stories. Like Lost Girls but less graphic sex.

oh shit did i reference an alan moore comic im clearly trying to make myself look cool

Why do you want less graphic sex? That would be insane.

They also need to meet with the Bill Murray from Stripes . He is Alice.

for the record, i don't think you're supposed to feel bad that they didn't wind up together. i think them ending up together would have been horribly inappropriate.

Correct. I wanna cum.

You might have Sleep Apnea too. Nail polish is a symptom.

(Pssst. Don't tell randyleepublic, but Hendrix also played Berkeley in May of 1970. He might be even more bummed over missing that too!)

Yeah I saw that somewhere. Then I managed to forget it. Thanks! Oh wait, I was away at boarding school in May of '70. Not my fault, that one. Probably why I let it slide off my BIG LIST OF STUPID MISSES.

I saw him play out here the week before. It was Kent State week, and students all over the country tore their campuses to shit. That really was something special. That was the week that was.

OMG Randy! I heard that The Who, the Beatles, Jimi, The Rolling Stones, The Velvet Underground, The Kinks, The Beach Boys, Cream, Led Zeppelin, and The Ramones have all risen from the grave and are playing the zombie concert of a lifetime a mile away from your house! Oh, wait. Nevermind. It just ended.

I would very much enjoy that concert myself.

Almost perfect.

What would make it perfect?

I don't have to answer that do I?

Hint: it's not something you forgot to add. It's something you forgot to omit.

Led.

Actually, I do not think the Velvet Underground would be too great live. Neither would the Beach Boys.

Sounds great, but let's add in Pixies, Nirvana, Big Star, Burton-era Metallica, Queen, Pavement, The Clash, and Pink Floyd.

Oh and that better be a figurative zombie concert as all the members of Cream are still alive (and played that reunion show about four years ago).

I never heard of Big Star or Pavement.
Yes, Pink Floyd.
I was just aiming for the 60s mostly, but Nirvana would be awesome too.

Yeah, I noticed it was 60s, but I decided to add a bit more to it.

Your criminal negligence of Big Star is criminally negligent. They were a pop band in the early 70s that was still playing pop music. They influenced basically everyone in power pop and are felt rather deeply today. R.E.M., The Replacements, Cheap Trick, the dB's, Teenage Fanclub all have cited substantial influence. The theme song for "That 70s Show" was a cover of their song "In The Street".

Pavement are probably one of the most important independent/alternative acts of the 90s.

You never heard of Pavement?

You NEVER HEARD OF PAVEMENT?

How is this even possible?

I am deeply ignorant about music, especially if it isn't classic rock.

You know what I think of pavement?

Stereo is standing on it.

Ahem hem, MC5.

I am shamed. Well and truly, shamed.

You know, it's actually pretty solidly documented that vintage VU were sloppy as hell live. It's not like I wouldn't go awayway, though.

Judging by the Youtube videos of them live, I would definitely agree. Heroin doesn't sound so good. Of course, I hate live performances. Or at least videos of live performances. Album versions are always the best.

...

please go and see more live music... now.

That is why I said "at least videos". I've only been to one concert . . .

i used to have that same opinion, then i started going to shows. there's an energy and spontaneity to a live performance you won't get in a studio or even live recording. oh wait, i get it, you're just flamebaiting, aren't you

No, I realized that might be the case, but I wasn't sure. I just know that I prefer the Youtube videos of albums over the ones of performances. It's no fair to say that live performances aren't as good as the studio versions if I don't attend them. So yeah, I covered the fact that I don't go to them, and thus am biased. I'm not flamebaiting. I don't actually mean to start arguments .. .

ah, in that case, it makes total sense. the acoustics of a concert are generally such that, unless it's being covered by someone who's really fucking professional, can't be properly captured by, say, a camcorder (unless it's a punk show). it's not until the late seventies that recording technology even came close to capturing/recreating the actual listening experience. oh man, now i'm turning into one of those guys... shit.

The few concerts I went to were actually pretty enjoyable, but most of these were things that the school put on or something. What I am saying is that they are local bands by students. They are still very intense.

Besides that, I've only been to a River Rave, which had a lot of big bands.

Which River Rave did you go to?

The ones I've been to have featured Blink 182, Aerosmith, Harvey Danger, Stone Temple Pilots, Beck, Marilyn Manson.

They can be good times.

2004

The Offspring
P.O.D
The Darkness
Puddle of Mudd
Whitey Ford
Dashboard Confessional
The Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Story Of the Year
The Distillers
My Morning Jacket
Finger 11
The Living End
Apartment 26
new Foudn Glory
Everlast

I think you were at some of the ones my brother went to though.

It was very good times. I spent a good deal of time at the Rave Tent. Not for the music, but to laugh at all the people art ecstasy.

Most of those bands are horrible. That is why it was a bad experience. Go see good bands.

Or, if you must, listen to some really good live albums by bands that really did their best work in a live context. I am thinking, in this case at least, very specifically of The Who - Live at Leeds and Cream... well, there's just tons of great live Cream to pick from... maybe Wheels of Fire 's live disc? I mean, the cut of "Crossroads" there is classic as fucking hell. Some bands worked much, much better live than they ever could manage to do in the studio. Some bands were much better in the studio.

In all fairness though most shows have crappy sound and if you're hearing a new band for the first time you're unlikely to hear them sounding particularly good and you'll be almost entirely unlikely to make out any lyrics. Seriously people, start mixing well. I'm sick of this crap. There's more to it than just turning everything up to the maximum (and bass off).

One trick I've found is to stand by the mixing booth. Lots of times the mixing person is not stupid, they just have it mixed for that particular position, and the acoustics are too crappy for it to sound good anywhere else.
Some of my best shows, I was standing right beside the mixing booth.

I'll try that, but I don't know if it'll get over the typical problem of "everything louder than everything else" such that I can typically hear better when I'm standing outside. I've nothing against music being loud (though I did buy some nice earplugs a few years ago), but I think we've reached a point where it's just senselessly loud and for no good reason. It's passed the point where it's loud enough that everyone can hear and that it's, y'know, loud and moved into the realm where you really do need to bring earplugs just to protect your hearing and, frankly, there's no good reason to keep doing things that way. If we start turning things down just a bit more you'll get more than just boomy low end and slightly amplified high frequencies which, well, when you cut the midrange like that you're really hurting things. Turn it down (say, from 120 dB to around 80 dB) and there will be a flatter frequency response.

I've also yet to go to a show where the vocals were even remotely intelligible unless you already knew the song and could kinda fill it in.

yeah but, then how would the bands hide the fact that they kinda suck

Invite Fred Durst to open for them.

Invite who?

Invite Fred Durst to open for them.

Who is that?

Don't say it a third time, you'll summon him!

Invite Fred Durst to open for them.

If he says no the first time, that's probably not going to change if you ask him three times.

Open for who?

I'm here now suckas!

We ain't gonna be treated like trash
We got one thing
We are the Durst
What?
We are the Durst
It's like a patch
You can strike that match

I love whoever you are.

Me, too. Except substitute love with hate.

Oh gods no, what hath I wrought!!!

Fred Durst wishes he still looked like that. It's only gone downhill.


OK I'LL TRY NOT TO DRAW RANDYLEEPUBLIC'S ATTENTION

In forty years I'm going to be saying "Man, Lil Wayne was performing over in Boston, and all I had to do was take one little train and pay fifty bucks, but what was I doing? Noting! Nothing! I missed one of the most influential artists of all time!"

No, you will never ever say that.

Lil Wayne is about as influential as Crazy Frog, which is to say he isn't influential at all.

I think this too, and he probably won't be considered influential in the future, but it would be humorous if he is. Perhaps he will have an epiphany soon and realize he is wasting his songwriting talent and set to work on Serious Things, and do for rap what the Beatles did for rock/pop.

Man I remember an awesome 'frog gig back in '98. That little dude was on fire .

You have 'frog gigs in England?

[i]Incontheivable![/]

fuck.
that is all.

I'm not from there, but yeah - don't you remember the Still Crazy After All These Months Tour ?
Covered Europe and North America, if I recall.

Crazy frog on fire. I'd go see it.

Pat is in an unusually mellow mood; Ray is spewing even more nonsense than usual, yet he's not going apespit.

Ray is rich. Those prices are not theoretical, they are what he actually paid Pat to re-enact those scenes.

This is because Pat is not entirely unsympathetic to learning disorders. And a business man when it comes to Subway.

It should be noted that he his somewhat unsympathetic toward learning disorders, though.

Sorry to hear about your alien-hand syndrome.

Preserve Our Essence.

If Pat is mellow, let him yellow.
If Ray is apeshit, flush him down.


I better check my onset-diabetes meter. I'm spewing nonsense. Again.[i/]


[i]Inconthievable!


Blucher!

Ting !

Why does Marco Polo have hair like that? And why is Ray dressed as Nick from Deerhunter to save Hendrix? I like omelettes... I like how the eggs... you know... the eggs are different

Everyone dressed like Nick from Deerhunter back then, octafish.
That way, even if you had short hair, the rednecks knew you were not One of Them.

What I want to know is why Hendrix looks like a giant squid.

I understand an afro has a silhouette but jeebus.

I like the olde-timey cash register tabs poppin' up. Six hundo: ca-ching!

"Fucked up the idea of history again with Pat... gotta be a six hundo"

i just came here to dance

I usually talk with bacon. It's why people like me.

Also, hey, what's the deal with everyone coming up with solutions all the time? Is it just me? Connie and T usually did this, but now I'm seeing everyone just popping with million-dollar ideas. Does anyone have a clue what I'm talking about?

It's why people like you what?

It's why people like me dead.

Pat speaks in three panels in this strip. In two of them, he sounds like Cornelius instead of himself.

That's what I think I meant right up there^

I was going to say. Pat's capitalism in this strip is pretty ruthless, especially for a vegan.

Spur-of-the-moment business plans are more Ray's thing; it's the relatively gentle sarcasm in panel 7 which really sounds like Mr. Bear. Time was, Pat would straight up call Ray an idiot for not knowing stuff, but here he flies his insults in low, under the Raydar.

You know, that was a pretty decent comment until you ruined it with that terrible pun. I rate it a 2. Try harder next time, prick .

Look, just lay off Echidnaboy... he's trying OK.

Shut it, he should stick to Hastily Photoshopping.

Fuck you!

No, fuck you!

You're too young to swear :(


Can't argue with a talking cat.

A comment left by sje46 was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by nice-on-water, woodenteeth, tripleG, lateadopter)

Oh honey, no. I was with you yesterday, but you're forcing me to reconsider my tacit support of all things SJE.

That being said, **HUGS**

*huggle*
It is quite possible that that post is a parody of how I was yesterday. That is, I'm being a pseudo-troll right now.

Oh man, fuck that shit.

yeah, i just kept hoping you were fucking with us yesterday. it was bothersome being mad hated on by a poster i like.
that being said, if you want to have a genuine discourse about it, hit me up on aim or come hang in the achewood chat more.

but the fact that mentioning Something Awful gets me lames, but expressing really weird, contradictory notions of catholicism doesn't is kind of curious and awesome.

Catholicism is an interesting topic of conversation and is full of contradictions. Something Awful is full of contradictions but not in a way that anyone can care about.

Whatever happened to you in the time that you were gone, you are now officially flirtin' with oblivion, boy. Why don't you just make a troll account for when you're in these moods?

I call upon the ministers of Hastily Photoshopped Buggery to make me a picture of the Molly Hatchet album cover with Molly Sanders on it and it says "Flirtin' With Oblivion"

sje46 is already my troll account . . .
Try to figure out which one is my real one! ;)


That is all.

No, they're just hipsters.

No, these guys clog up the Thruway from the Triborough to the Catskills. Every friggin' weekend.

Hipsters clog up the Thruway the other direction.

They....they square-dance up the Thruway?

LOL dab funny ib un ub dum wud balck

You simply must fuck off, sir.

Quote:
LOL dab funny ib un ub dum wud balck


I saw that on Sesame Street -- "One of these things don't Belong Here."

Oh please.
1. Jews lie about everything.
2. Jews claim their own existence
3. The Jews must be lying about their own existence.
Therefore
C. Jews don't exist.

It's a conspiracy perpretrated by the Jews.

I see no evidence of your second point.

just stop it. just fucking stop it. it isn't funny, it isn't cute. you occasionally have something interesting to say, so i don't want to ignore you, but i swear to god i've had it up to here

Can't we pick on the Irish instead?

American's think its funny 'cause half of us are descendants, and the Europeans like it because them dirty Mick's had it coming.

I'll start: what's green, 5 miles long, and has an IQ of 50?

A: a St Patricks Day Parade.

Oh oh oh! I have one!

How come Irish people eat potatoes all the time?

Because they're fucking idiots!

Whadda you call your Mick friend that's too drunk to leave your porch?

A: Paddy O'Furniture.

Irish 7 Course meal?

A: a six-pack and a potato.

What did the Irish family order from Arby's?

Diet Cokes because they basically have the minds of animals.

A little harsh; maybe we should get back to the Jews.

Not cool, brah. I got Jewish peeps.

Marshmallows are kosher? Well, I declare!

Easter candy to pove your point.

Really?

Never be rude to an Arab...

Thankyou for giving me all the youtube videos of Monty Python I just trawled through... thankyou.

I love the fact you think it'd be cute to be a douchebag and a troll after someone called you out for not knowing a lot of things and acting like you did. Instead of graciously admitting that you aren't as smart as you seem to think you and that you need to do some research you decide to "prick out" and just go completely off the rails.

In short, die in a CancerAIDS fire.

chapter IV: wherein the guitarhero expresses his wish that leveler heads prevail on the message board; a Mysterious Stranger is observed to enter the nursery, much to the dutch governess's consternation; naughty little trolls are taken to task; and in which philippe is five

Remember that one time when sje pissed everyone off so much he almost got the lethal injection ?

theguitar is obsessed with the idea that sje is obsessed with how smart sje is. hey guitar dude... you know, maybe sje just perceives things differently than you do, so much so that the options afforded by your own perception aren't entirely the same as your own and perhaps even you yourself aren't as smart as you seem to think you are.

if your cancer aids fire rim shot isn't pricking out then I don't know what is.

his own I meant to say. also. go die in a cancer aids acid hydrogenated polysaturated fat rancid lactose sperm anthrax fire.
go fuck your mom!

hows that for off the rails? Am I AIU yet?

oh silly gertrude, are you a sock puppet?

Thank you, gertude.

I really think I'm an idiot sometimes. This is one of those times.

*runs off and cries*

My mother died in a CancerAIDS fire! Not cool, not funny, not a good sentiment.

Don't be funny while we try to hate you.

Oh shoot, my bad.

But really, tgh, it was never my intent to harass or annoy anyone, and I don't think I'm particularly smart. In fact, I really do have low esteem. What I was trying to do with the Jews comment was toi parody myself, by expressing a controversial opinion (which I clearly do not hold) to lighten the mood, which I guess didn't work). Please don't be so mad at me. =/

That image is clearly photoshopped.

what the doctor ordered.

i 5'd it just for the classic touches of '03/'04 achewood.

and marco polo wearing a polo shirt. tite.

Hell yes, man. This is the second time in a row that he's rebounded from a moribund arc with an amazing one-off. It almost makes me believe that he actually reads us down here.

I would say he'd be kinda silly not to listen to us. Marketing wise.

And even sillier in how he seems to be intending to go back to that Lyle/Darlene nonsense next week for no goddamned reason.

I read this as "Polly/Cornelius" for some reason. I got a chill.

I liked that arc, but this one is just shit. I think the way you lot felt about Polly and Cornelius is how I feel about this current one.

It's not just for some reason. It's for a lot of reasons.

best bacon joke of all time was that "The Simpson's" episode where Homer is watching some dating game like show on TV.

there's 3 giggling harlots and some greaseball swingin' dick. he says "... 'cuz I made bacon with all of them on the beach."

and a bubble pops up over Homer's head and he envisions himself on the beach with a bbq grilling bacon. "Emmmmmmm bacon".

It seems like Onstad is triggering Kate Beaton here! I've learned more from those two than all them history classes in the fancy schools could ever teach me.

Ray and knowledge have become estranged over the years.

Ray makes a damn proper Napoleon.

I didn't think Ray had gotten it that wrong.

Even if it's unintentional, the fact that Montenegro went from Yugoslavia's tld (.yu) to (.me) is pretty funny.

Just like your mom.



damnit, it is about 15 pixels too wide =[

And you obviously weren't considering pogo and scorpio_nadir when choosing your text size.

Thank you, rowboat. All I got out of it is squiggle-dot-dot-dot VC squiggle-dot-dot-squiggle-.

However, I'm pretty sure it was chub-worthy, and go with the studio audience on this one.

The Rowboat Center For People Who Can't Read Small Type So Good.

Y'all some hyperopic zealots.

Thanks - I've always wondered what RCPWCRSTSG stood for.

What is this, a center for ANTS.

Retract, motherfucker! Some of my best friends are ants!

My mother is an ant.

You mean the aunt that I... boned?

Are you saying you boned my mom ant

Cause that is a hella weird thing for a friend to say.

It still gets mad chubbies for Ray confusing an herbicide with a breakfast drink.

I want to try to correct this, but I know that you are extremely clever so I have to imagine that you're telling a joke that I don't get.

Before it was a soft drink, Orange Crush was a nickname of Agent Orange, an herbicide used in Vietnam. Tang is a drink that tastes like artificial oranges. Originally created as a breakfast drink, it became popular after being used by spacetronauts to fight alien warriors*.


* not actually true

I think that Orange Crush was around long before Agent Orange. I think calling Agent Orange "Orange Crush" was a sardonic bit of serviceman wit. As long as we're being all historical and shit.

Orange Crush is an orange-flavored soft drink (see orange soda) invented by Clayton J. Powel of Los Angeles, California in 1916.[1]

-- Wikipedia

Oh, "not actually true" means the whole thing.

Dohhh and Woosh! At the same time!

Facts are involved, but only in the sense that you can't use real places or real names without incidentally being somewhat accurate. It's just not true.

What is Ray's opinion on hot asian women? I am predicting we might see a new sort of Commodore Perry forcefully opening Japan. This would seem to be largely in line with most contemporary Japanese porn.

as in edo period woodblocks?
"Geisha in Green Kimono" 1840 NSFW

Gotta admire the Japanese respect for tradition. If subjugation of women was good enough for great-granddad, its good enough for me.

The Asian Art Museum had an excellent Ukiyo-e exhibit about a year ago or so with a nice selection of shunga. I believe the majority of it was from Boston so if you're anywhere near there I strongly advise you avail yourself of their collection.

I don't want to be a dick about this sort of thing, but seeing it in person really does add to it. Some of the better works had shimmery, glistening semen. I'm not certain that sort of thing would show up well online.

But yeah, just gettin' mad rutty.

wait, did you mean modern contemporary? or contemporary of perry?

I meant modern, but frankly either will really work. I think we might have a bit more rape porn now. The older stuff seemed to be more consensual from what I've viewed of it. Not that they didn't have their share of women looking like they're not enjoying themselves, but yeah... I think we have more Japanese rape-fetish porn now.

I have yet to see a print depicting a full commodore, however. Probably not fit for filthy gaijin eyes.

is a commodore perry the perfect thing to do to a guy in one of those coffin like motels they have in japan? (and necromancer)?

I honestly don't think it's possible to do anything sexual in those motels.

You need to stop dating from the "big and tall" category.

Somebody was bound to say something along those lines. Wanna know who to blame? His name starts with th and ends with ro.

:(

Respond with words, not just your ass.

I don't understand what rowboat is trying to say.

I'm talking about how you called your girlfriend large on the internet.

Oh. I thought you meant that all I do is talk about sex (which I do).

I feel bad for saying those things now though. She's not as big compared to like, 90% of overweight Americans!

I think she looks fine. You said it.

I think he needs to post pics so we can all determine whether she is or is not a chubbo.

I would do it, but I think I've violated our Facebook trust enough for one lifetime.

I would but I forgot I leave my account logged in on her computer.

And needs to start reading Neuromancer.

I certainly hope woodjay meant that. I mean, otherwise with the coffin connection this could get weird. Not to mention unsanitary.

man, I can't recall, did case and molly fuck in his motel? or was he about to and stop?

They did. Apparently getting it on is basically a thing of nerds in the future.

didn't she have a taser cunt?

That was Snow Crash. It was a dentata and it shot his cock full of drugs. No taser needed.

Molly had leather pants and I know that she looked hot as fuck in them.

She answered him by reaching back, between his thighs, and gently encircling his scrotum with thumb and forefinger.

The sex scene in Accelerando amuses me. I'm sure you can find it yourself; the entire book is published online. (if you need help, search for 'glue')

I have it on my hard drive... I just haven't yet managed to read it. Hell, I've got Eastern Standard Tribe on my Palm and I still need to finish it.

Revisionist history never came so cheap.

It's cheap to give it to one person. The problem is scale. To get any widespread belief you have to publish it on a website pay 6 hundo to at least 20 people.

Jimi's greatest song (Everything, Everyone, Smuckles) wasn't written till his elder years during the late 80's, incorporating several synths and drum machines.

Man, I can't believe it. I've had several thoughts and conversations over the years on the topic of what Hendrix would've been like in the '80s and every time I come to the decision that it was good that he went when he did.

Kind of like it would've been such a terrible thing if Dylan had died in 1976.

Or if Robert Plant had died in 1949.

Or if Tom Waits were immortal.

Tom Waits is. He just gets more and more grizzled until he eventually becomes an actual part of the bar. Ossifying into his stool and becoming a physical part of the place.

Tom Waits is. He just gets more and more grizzled until he eventually becomes an actual part of the bar. Ossifying into his stool and becoming a physical part of the place.

FUCK! I thought it might double post so I actually copied my comment, reloaded the page, scrolled down, checked that it wasn't here and then posted it just to be certain it wouldn't do this and it fucking well did.

SCREW YOU ASSETBAR! JUST GO FUCK YOURSELF IN YOUR TINY LITTLE ROOM WITH YOUR GODDAMN EJACULATING BUTT PLUG AND YOUR OH-SO-TRENDY METAL COCK RING! I'D SPIT ON YOU IF IT WOULDN'T JUST HELP YOU GET OFF!!!

deja vu

deja vu voodoo

Would, or wouldn't have been terrible if Dylan died in '76?

And you can shut your damn fool mouth about Robert Plant. You're running close to SJE territory with that nonsense.

-WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN-

Thank you, B. That one little mistake just complete ruins what I was trying to say.

But I like Led Zeppelin.

I believe he is referring to the frequency and the manner in which I go after them. However, while your religious and philosophical rants are based largely on opinion, my hatred of that band sits solidly on the steely foundation of the unquestionable truth that they are a ridiculous band. You need to back your arguments up with facts that no rational person can question, as I have done here.

or you died before you ever said that.

But if I die who will warn the world about the soul-crushing shittiness of Led Zeppelin? What about the children?

if they're smart, they're like to figure such out on their own

You'd think.

You both have no soul.

Of course I don't. It was crushed. I have heard Led Zeppelin.

hey man, i love led zeppelin, but you've got to admit: they are a ridiculous band. all singing hard rock songs about mordor, all straight stealin lyrics and licks from more accomplished but lesser known musicians and then turning around and being dicks about copyright, robert plant all pretending to be a wizard...

i love listening to them, but you've got to admit, led zeppelin is a ridiculous band

They are much better than glam rock, I think.

I mean, when I look upon Led Zeppelin, and look upon Kiss, or whatever, and I had a gun, I would not show the former the Stariway to Heaven.

Are you putting Transformer on notice? Because that is exactly what I am seeing here and that will not stand.

Who, me? The Lou Reed album? I love that album. And I didn't even mention it.

Plus, I do not fully understand the idiom "put on notice".

It is glam and it is awesome. Putting something or someone "on notice" was a valid phrase before, but Stephen Colbert has brought it an additional level of cultural currency.

Think of it in terms of a job. You have just been put on notice for your actions. This is not a good thing.

Oh, Colbert!
*feels dumb*
I didn't know Lou Reed was considered glam. I should clarify that I meant the look, not the sound, as I don't think that Kiss is a terrible band musically. But I do dislike a lot of glam.

Kiss is not glam. Just because the performers wore makeup does not make a band glam.

That said, Kiss was a terrible band.

You need to edumacate yourself, sje. Go read some books about rock music history before you talk about this anymore.

Sorry :(

i agree with your assessment of kiss, but i have to say, seeing them can be wicked, wicked fun. kind of like gwar but more ironic

Oh, I don't doubt that.

And yeah, GWAR puts on an awesome show. I wouldn't listen to any of their albums, though.

Just so we can get this out of the way, sje, give me a few bands off the top of your head that you would label "glam." We need to get to the bottom of this.

Okay .. off the top of my head. Kiss. The Darkness (I believe in a thing called love)? Bon Jovi. David Bowie. ehhh . .. I don't know.

All I know is that I don't like the look of a lot of makeup and big hair and stuff. Maybe that isn't glam; my apologies.

None of that is glam, with the exception of Bowie, who was glam for a while in the 70s and remains the poster child for glam rock despite having done numerous other things in the last three decades.

Glam: early-mid 70s Bowie. Late 70s Iggy Pop, to some extent. Lou Reed's Transformer . Gary Glitter. The New York Dolls, to an extent. Brian Eno's early solo output. T.Rex/Marc Bolan. There are more, but this is just off the top of my head.

Glam is more than just the look of the performer, though the look is usually very important as well.

Wow, we must've been typing basically the same thing at basically the same time.

Bowie yes, the rest no. Well, I don't actually know what you'd call The Darkness other than a sad and thankfully short-lived gimmick act.

Anyway, it's important to remember that glam is a musical genre, not a hair style. A band that wears make-up isn't necessarily a glam band. It's how they sound that determines that. Anyway, start with Transformer and make your way to T. Rex's Electric Warrior. If you like those, then we can really get down to business.

Ah, thanks. Just rekmember that I wasn't necessarily criticizing the glam sound, but the glam look. Just like how I don't necessarily hate emo or punk, but I don't like the styles.

Also, I lied about liking KISS's music. I hate that too.

So basically what you're saying is that the people making up names for genres are retarded.

Huh? N. . .no. I don't see how you can infer this.

I was replying to that rowboat guy, assbar orphaned my comment.

Sorry. In a couple of days I'll be back at my old computer and back with Assetbar.

Huh? N. . .no. I don't see how you can infer this.

black is a colour, not a sound. So is blue.
metal is a material, not a sound.
popular is a state of social acceptance, not a sound.
rock and roll is a euphemism for sex, not a sound.
classical is a time period, not a sound.
glamour is some sort of alluring beauty, not a sound.
thrash is a verb, not a sound.
shoegaze is a way to stand on stage, not a sound.
punk is an attitude, not a sound.


glam is (from what I can determine) short for glamour, which is physical beauty or sex appeal. Not a sound.

I think my point is that we should only listen to drone and dub cause at least they're honest labels.

dub is a recording technique, not a sound.

Music is a noun describing sound, not a sound.

Trash is a noun.
Country is a nation
Western is a direction.
How bout grunde? ska? Reggae?

Psychedelic is a trippy experience, not a sound.

Well, it's not like you can just call everything "music." Music labeling may have problems but it'd be a confusing world without it.

Oh you just shut your mouth, sje. Don't diss glam.

This is an overreaction.

Funny, while you guys were bitch slapping each other about glam rock I was watching Hedwig and the Angry Inch . Horrible movie, amazing soundtrack.

Heard the same about Watchmen.

Reverse that and lower the intensity of the movie and you'd be right. It was a good movie with a rather poorly picked soundtrack.

FUCK I NEED TO STOP TALKING ABOUT WATCHMEN.

I didn't watch the movie, but I heard it got mixed reviews, but nearly everyone said it had a good soundtrack.

The songs were good, but they often felt entirely out of place within the context of the film. They always felt intrusive and distracting.

I haven't seen it (and I probably won't till they start selling it for $10 in the grocery checkout line), but the fact that it has anything other than an orchestral soundtrack does not bode well.

The orchestral stuff composed for the movie is terrible. A movie score should either be good or unobtrusive. This one was bad, and bad enough that I noticed. And I've only seen the movie once.

Anything is better than rock music in an epic ( Highlander not withstanding). This is assuming that it is an epic.

That is because Queen was so perfect for Highlander that if Queen didn't exist already the would need to have been created for it.

The soundtrack was as equally epic and over-the-top as the film itself and the songs themselves were pretty damn good and memorable.

They also used the Hendrix cover of "All Along the Watchtower" rather than the Dylan original as was quoted in the book. They used in a "going to storm the castle" sort of manner when Nite Owl and Rorschach are approaching Karnak. It felt terrible and out of place.

They also put in "99 Luftbaloons" in likely because it was from the 80s and about nuclear war even though it was totally out of place and was played at a really inappropriate time (I always hear 80s pop music when I go to four-star restaurants, they are inextricably linked in the minds of all people) and for no real reason.

I don't think the extended version will be able to fix the flaws I saw in it as they're flaws in what was presented and how it was done, not just in things that were missing (aside from not mentioning Kitty Gennovese, that is crucial as all hell... one interview with Rorshach was not enough, I suspect that is something added back in though), but I'd suggest that anyone who has not yet seen it or who is even remotely on the fence wait for the extended cut. I kind of wish I had waited because now I have very little desire to see it again.

The soundtrack seemed so very "on the nose."

my greek professor played the origin of love five times during the semester we spent on The Symposium. tittering undergrads, transexuals, pedophiles, and paedorasty does not an ideal combination make.

You can take your wrongness and you can go fuck yourself with it.

Wig in a Box seemed like it would be better, but I felt a bit unimpressed with most of it. I mean, You've got Spoon, They Might Be Giants, Imperial Teen, Frank Black, The Breeders, Sleater-Kinney w/ Fred Schneider, The Bens, Bob Mould, Yo La Tengo w/ Yoko Ono... the damn thing ought to be astounding as fuck, but it's not. It's just sort of good in a few places (Frank Black's cover of "Sugar Daddy" and Spoon's cover of "Tear Me Down" probably top my list), but not the sort of alt-rock orgasm you'd be expecting.

I didn't say a cover album of the soundtrack was good, the soundtrack ITSELF is good, in fact I got board with all the backstory shit and just wanted to see the concert scenes after a while!

I know, it's a great album, I just went off a bit there for some reason.

I liked the movie a hell of a lot though and I am going to continue saying you're entirely wrong for just wanting to watch the songs.

When I first saw it I was living in Manhattan, KS which is around 15 minutes away from Junction City. It is really like that. John Cameron Mitchell knows this all too well as his dad was in the Army and he lived there for a while.

If you just want the songs without the story that gives them meaning and purpose then you're a terrible person or, at the very least, a philistine.

I don't know what you guys are talking about anymore. Get out of my inbox.

Well like, at the beginning the story was cool and actually pretty fun but about halfway (once we got to the backstory of Hedwig and Tommy Gnossis) it just felt sloppy.

a little known fact is that Hendrix actually asphyxiated on a big cock. true story.

I think that Hendrix had a few truly great albums left in him when he died... but if there ever was a 60s superstar who would've made terrible, terrible music in later decades, it was Jimi. Synths would have brought out all his latent cheese.

heh... there's an onion article about exactly that, wouldn't you know.


mm... latent cheese.

I wonder if Lennon would have gotten into the rap game.

A small part of me is afraid the answer is yes.

I also wonder about Tupac.

If Tupac and Biggie still lived Lil Wayne wouldn't have a reason to exist because if they got to this point they would be doing raps renouncing the gangsta' way of life (Tupac was already headed that way anyway).

Imagine a world with ODB still alive, though. I mean, THINK ABOUT IT. Lil Wayne wouldn't have even been born , and if he did he would still have nothing on Dirt McGirt. He was crazy .

Lil Wayne lies in bed at night wishing he could be half the cyclone of insanity that was ODB.

never order delivery pizza agains. Use digorno; flavah is off deh chartz an' teastes gute 2 bute. Lik almost twice as cheapz as domno's/typical del-ry pizz.

But I like my food to first be handled by reprobate losers (and my wife left me).

she lebt u cuz you'r a sad xcuse 4 a man an' I ain't 2 b mean 2 u dis is tuff luv. you gots 2 get back out der an show deh women of deh worl' dat you r an asset.

nah go forth with this kick n ass i gabe u an score an HJ 4 me cuz i lub 2 help peeps in life.

my feelings on jeffspaulding as an asset are pro

my feelings on 'gladi hands' are pro...

I cun haz HJ 4 u?

Thank you for the pep talk.
You could be my Cyrano de Bergerac.

totinoes are even cheaper yo. Have you ever had them glad? many places you can buy them for just $1.

Did someone say totiono's? As in totino's pizza rolls?

I LOVE TOTINOS PIZZA ROLLS!!!

WHAT DO YOU WANT ON YOUR TOMBSTONE.

a tasteful insription bearing the date of my birth, the date of my death, and perhaps a poetic biblical quote, like from the psalms and such. why do you ask?

I'd get pepperoni on mine.

mush bettah den psalms

Also an eagle eating a tiger with flames coming out of his eyes?

hell yes!

totinos also makes regularish thin-crust pizzas, they rock for frozen

Nah i hab not had ib i gon' spend 99 perfumes on a meals i def gon' take advantage of McDonald's dollar menu items. shit's so delicious

gladi8orrex is a dollar menunaire.

This explains so much.

ooh la LA!

YES!

while i do definitely enjoy my stuffed-crust double-pepperonis from Pizza Hut, i enjoy DiGiorno pizza, too.

At least one of the Achewood characters should start a twitter account. Wouldn't that be an awesome way to keep track of a character BETWEEN blog posts and comics? The future is a ferris wheel and we're touching each others' genitals.

Hey, quit it! BAD TOUCH BAD TOUCH

Last time I heard that, I lost visitation for a year.

... and by visitation he means visiting the outside of prison, and by "a year" he means 10.

This is exactly what is in the premium content. I'm glad to have helped you find your dream.

As I sink my barbs into your penis, I let out a wild howl.


Hey, this ferris wheel needs structural integrity. I'm providing it by latching onto you.

i...

doesn't everybody know this is what the fanflow is..?

A Twitter account would be different from fanflow, but would not be monetizable - hence it will not happen.

It did happen: https://twitter.com/achewood

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Friendly reminder: Achewood's live daily feed is now hosted here: https://s.assetbar.com/store... - thank you!
8:01 PM Jul 28th, 2008 from web


There were a couple of genuine tweets in February, but it's basically over.

Jeez... Look at all that content, just sittin out there, unmonetized. Corners curling up in the rain...

well, i meant besides the Onstad Stack Of Stuff.

The fanflow aint a twitter feed, Cap'n.

you would know better than i.
(i do not subscribe...yet.)

That's what I would call it for the most part.

Hmmm, I thought fanflow was accessible on the assetbar site rather than the twitter site I will continue to be pedantic about this for as long as it takes.

It's on Twitter, it's just plainly Twitter-like.

Whoa. Have I been talking complete shit here? I know that a wee test run was done on twitter, but I didn't think the groupiemenstruation itself was a twitter feed...

Again I have omitted a word which completely changed what I was trying to say. Goddamn it. It's NOT on Twitter. That's what I was trying to say. I need to slow the fuck down.

that's what she told you, i'm sure.

"Hey, baby. Slow down that fuck, please."

"NO."

YES!

chub.

Dammit, for some reason I woke up singing the title of this comic to the tune of Dead Kennedys' "Holiday in Cambodia".

Sing it with me!

"It's History as Commodity, it's tough kid but that's life, it's History as Commodity, be sure to pack a wifeeee."

(didn't say it was clever.)

I will have to play that on Rock Band tonight,
after "Livin' on the corner of Dude and Catastrophe"...

My beau said, "Achewood can not possibly be so famous that they have a theme song on Rock Band. The comic must have come after the song."

And I said, "Sure, because 'Living at the Corner of Dude and Catastrophe" makes so much sense out of context.'"

(I did not mention that living at said corner does not make much sense in context either.)

We haven't downloaded "Holiday in Cambodia" and the faux-nerd, faux-rapper guy makes my flesh crawl so we'll just play "Foreplay/Long Time" thirty times in a row like usual.

I love the songs with 4-6 minutes of the vocalist doing absolutely nothing.

So awesome. So manly.

Such as... Won't Get Fooled Again.

Oh man definitely. Also Enter Sandman.

Yeah but then you have to do the tambourine thing with the microphone. I HATE having to do that.

I AM HOLDING THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE I WANT TO SING, ROCK BAND

NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO TAP IT AGAINST THE PALM OF MY OTHER HAND

I always destroy my hands doing that, I don't know why I even play those songs anymore!

Helpful tip! Just hold the mic in one hand and lightly tap it with your index finger! This leaves your other hand available for such activities as beer holding and rock 'n' roll-style crotch grabbing!

OH RAY WHERE WERE YOU IN 1970!

WHERE WERE YOU?!

my feelings will be positive if its the beginning of a story arc, but as a one-off its kind of serious

Quote:
A new Nice Pete strip Friday afternoon/evening.


I call Saturday!

I call next month!

What's the over/under at right now?

I would pay upwards of 24,000 dollars to save Jimi Hendrix's fake life.

OF COURSE Marco Polo wears a polo shirt.

First!

You just keep pulling that turtle neck over the top of your head, tie it off and throw you in a river.

you should be encouraging the youngsters and saving the wrath for sje, where it belongs

I just want to be friends!

you can NEVER be friends. not after... DIVORCE!!

Pat is only mostly unsympathetic to learning disabilities.

marco polo shirt