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Roast Beef Takes a Gamble Friday, September 4, 2009 • read strip Viewing 653 comments:

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Well, it's at least not the worst firstie ever on Assetbar...

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I would lame you, but i don't think it's legal to lame boobs. Immoral, even.

Enough trolling from the gay community, thanks. You are making the rest of us look bad.

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Apparently "All Unread" (below) reads that as, "Everyone should give their dick to a stranger"!!

Well, it was below a minute ago!

Nope. The worst first posts are this shit , here , here , this one , this creep , this bastard , this shitpile , this one is IMPRESSIVELY lamed , and here's another notable .

Dishonorable mentions include: "FRIST POTS" and many, many other people just saying "first". Fuck THOSE guys.

This post seems awfully negative, and I'm still a little drunk at 2:30 in the morning. I'll do a little research to liven it up.

The best first posts are this one , this one is underchubbied , this is also criminally underchubbied , this one , this one , and I'm sure I missed a few .


Man, thats a risky amount of BBCODE for me to be typing right now.

dude awesome how did i not fuck that up i walki into the door to my dorm when i came back home

"Walki" is the appropriate verb tense for Daidai walking while drunk and exploring the density of doors

post drunk more often. you are funnier this way.

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Absolutely nothing in this picture is vaguely appealing.

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If this was an elaborate way of telling me not to read achewood at work, thank you.

If not, fuck you man.

I fucking accidentally gave this a chubby. I can't think of a worse thing.

it giving you a chubby.

Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

You're represented by a shoplifting jug of soymilk.
From CrimethInc.
I just.
Didn't think that would happen.

thats not what she said, because i said it to her. Riiiiggghhhht before the drugs kicked in.

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I am chubbying you for the effort and again for the 31337 bbCode work.

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the culture you people have formed here is dissolute and sad

I tend to agree.

People fought and died for your right to say that.

Way to make those struggles MEANINGLESS theirateturk.

I mean, in real life, murder and rapine is not considered humorous and childish enthusiasm is appreciated. I'm just pointing this out.

wow. History just took us to school in the car of pain.

i'm sorry, jollysaintpete...i need to do better.
so i will.
i will try to not post so darn often.

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Six?

Hundred!

*hundo

This kind of faggot . Fuck you .

Here are some other good firsts , and a great second .

Brought to you by the Institute for Chubby Research (Faggot Unit)

He's just a crappy little bullshit man.

on the behalf of Crappy Little Bullshit Men everywhere, I apologize for that. Even we lamed that.

-Plummet

Exc. Ceo, CLBM International

Seriously man, when am I gonna start seeing some returns from my investment in your company?

I just put a down payment on a LOT of Jerry Falwell audiobooks.

i totally remember theirateturk's first for some reason...

Probably because it was extra faggotty.

I'm a little disappointed that my sole first post didn't make the "worst of" list. It wasn't too cool.

It was mediocre, and mediocrity isn't even worth mentioning here on Assetbar

in before ONSTADT MAKES A MEDIOCRE WEBCOMIC HURR DURR

I'm glad he did, as I'm reading this on a first-gen eeePC and my 7" screen truncates long alt texts.

I sometimes read on a touchscreen-based phone, where I can't mouse over the cartoon to see the alt text because there is no mouse .

Won't someone please think of the mouseless peeps?!

Is it an iPhone?

I read Achewood on my iPhone just fine - alt text and all.

Do tell!

Every time I see one of those, I screech "Eeeee!" I'm fairly sure this is the sole purpose of those computers.

you sound like my friend Marian. you kinda look like her, too. i just can't get over it.

only with a smaller nose, right?

fuck you, pal. dont be talkin shit about (thegoblins)my ladyfriend.

I think it's the only appropriate first post that's possible.

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OH GOD FUCK YOU ASSETBAR AND YOUR RUINING OF MY TYPESET PUN!

That was the alt text? I thought that was your own joke. Well fuck you I want my chubby back and my laughter passed on to Chris. Thieving cunt with an appropriate username.

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So what are you going to change your name to now?
'mysecondpost'?

It seems like all I do on assetbar these days is be disappointed in posts like this and lame them. I don't want to be that lurking-lamer. This is a place for some legitimate humor , not your half-assed tomfoolery, so do what I do and shut the hell up until you have something worthwhile to contribute. This board owes you nothing.

Wait, it clearly states in our bylaws that half-assed tomfoolery is required.

Not only humor, but also some excellent speculation.

Get new goals.

Sadly, I believe that you speak the truth here.

we don't need this service anymore.

I'm torn. I want to lame you, because that's what you do, but the lame:chubby ratio is 1:1 up there right now, and I hate to trample on even such minute beauty. Also, your name makes everything cool.

But then, fuck you.

I chubbied, to restore balance to the Force.

I'm glad you pointed this out because I thought it was some kind of hellish sea vessel - on which RB was prisoner - aflame, and he aflamed it before swimming to his escape.

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spit it out!

Free squished breasts!

Screw you, jealous fucks. FUCK you.

weird

Pretty wound up about what's going on here. Again, EROTIC LITERATURE CONTEST. Are we coming to the end? Is this it? An existential, Bob Newheart-y, "it-was-all-a-dream" climax? Or, like, fucking Hamlet style character slaughter? Long story short, are we for realsies right now?

I think from a purely rational, financial, a bit cynical standpoint, this isn't the end because Achewood is right now entering some sort of public consciousness (the GOF book only came out about a year ago, and the second volume from Dark Horse is coming out soon). It'd be bad press to end the comic just as things were building up on that end. I don't know. I'm not that kind of cynical dude, but that's my rationalization of my own denial at least, and I'm sticking to it.

it sounds like you're calling onstad a sell out

we're hoping he's a sell-out, because that's the best guarantee of more Achewood goodness.

we selling a call-out.

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...no, no, no, ...not selling out, buying in .

jesus why did this happen to me. I felt so clever.

and it was on this day that streever did partake of the rotting corpse that is Defeat.

and there's two options after that--
(get your halloween avatar shopping done early!!)

streever: serial killer edition
[IMGS OFF]

and

streever: zombie edition
[IMGS OFF]

You rock! I am definitely going to be Zombie Edition for Halloween.

he didn't sell out , he bought in

or maybe he's pulling out now precisely because of those reasons. CH is a man with very marketable skills, and his minor fame would make it easy to make the transition to something else. from what i can tell, achewood really blew up for him unexpectedly and out of nowhere, and hes been riding this wave for awhile, and maybe he's had his fill. i cant say i'd blame him honestly.
i have to say, if this were the last comic, i would be pretty satisfied.

but also people have paid for subscriber content for a year and shit like that. it would be pretty dubious to pull the plug with no obvious warning. dubious, but sweet.

I realized this same thing as soon as I posted. And now I have no clue what to think. But whatever happens, this arc is past the point of no return and I have a feeling it's going good places. Unless it ends, then I'll be heartbroken for minimum 10 minutes.

err CO, not CH. dont know where that came from.

also beef might have just walked into the room and let the door shut behind him. fuck if i know. we'll find out in a day or 2, or 5.

I assumed you were speaking to a hypothetical Cartilage Head spin-off, but I'm pretty tired from PAX and also a little drunk

I did too but I'm not drunk, so I lose, really, in the end.

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We never talk anymore.

why the hell are you at pax.

to see mc frontalot play dude and catastrophe live

Thanks for spoiling the endings of both Newheart and Hamlet for me in one post. Asshole.

Hamlet's been performed for over 400 years now. You need a spoiler tag for that, you're serious amateur hour material.

No, you!

I had no idea the impending death of three cartoon cats would fill me with this much anxiety. Way to lead in the Labor Day weekend, Onstad.

Um, T is a bear.

a cartoon bear and a cartoon cat are actually from the same species so technically he can be a cat

QED muthafuckas!

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T is a stuffed animal he can not technically be a cat

red panda! bear cat! i wish i had one to snurgle...:(

It would probably rip off your face. Wild animals are not the same thing as teddy bears.

HOLY CHRIST [Teodor is...] AN ALIVE STUFFED ANIMAL

not so alive anymore though

Being stuffed with fluff lends itself to quite a high degree of flammability.

Sounds like a refreshing way to spend an evening though.

other choices were:

'relaxing'
'enlightening'
or 'cozy'

I did not mean to give you a chubby. I meant to reply with "Beef is already dead. This is his impending life."

What we need more of is science.

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He's seeing everyone he knows death. This could be the end of the strip, or a moment for Beef to shine and Chris to whip out a fucking legend of a comic. (Molly is already dead)

Also I came upon this comic when there was no comments. About two minutes later, five. I'm gonna bet that at 5:00 GMT we're past 300.

No; Roast Beef has found an opportunity to get off the karmic carousel and leave Samsara behind in favour of oblivion.

But just like the greats, he's at the great threshold, but turns away, going Bodhisattiva and coming back for the ones he loves.

do you think onstad is going to turn this into a religion of some sort?

What gives you the idea he already hasn't?

You think Onstad is trying to straight up pull a Hubbard on this bitch?

lollin

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why did you post blank

That's what she said, sniff

"why did you post blank"

neonfreon you sometimes come across as if a lot of our culture is foreign to you, as if you're even more foreign than a Canadian. You are an enigma.

Instead of L-Ron we'll have C-On.

C-OOOOOOOOOOOON!

I wouldn't say that he has the option of oblivion per se, it doesn't really seem to be a part of this (ignoring the part where it all seems so cleverly engineered to lead precisely to this point). I do, however, think you have a really solid thing going with the Bodhisattva (Beef isn't much a fan of Bodhisattiva, especially after what happened the last time ). Still, I'm not certain that he delayed his own ascension to Nirvana in order to help others with achieving enlightenment. The general case holds though. Of course, this also seems to ignore him being the instrument of his own rebirth and fixing his own skipping wheel.

Of course, I have hella issues with the whole deal of Bodhisattvas and any other of the bits that take Buddhism into seriously deistic areas. I mean, yeah, if you look at the origins there's a lot of mysticism and cross-over from Hinduism, but it still seems pretty possible to get to a place where it's more philosophy and personal than a full-on deistic religion where you can short-cut the quest for enlightenment if you just pray to the right dude.

Life may be suffering or not, but anything is better than oblivion.

If the usual thing is for that 'exit' door to reveal itself only after a long karmic journey of enlightenment, then it does seem cheap to just ride into Nirvana on a Bodhisattva's coattails. I suspect that the incommunicable nature of enlightenment (seemingly a really big idea in Zen) means it doesn't actually work that way.

But how cheap is it if a depressed cat with a wrench can manipulate his own universal destiny by being a good hacker? Cheap enough for Achewood, I hope!

I dunno, but I do think that a dude who was just in an elephant suit MCing an lesbian erotica writing contest probably has some more learning to go to achieve enlightenment

Don't be judgin'

If a person can do something greater then that I cannot imagine it.

That should yield enlightenment right then and there.

Two monks were arguing in the Temple yard. The first said, "The housewife buys the apple peeler to cook for her husband, because when she feeds him she arouses him." The second said "The housewife feeds her man because to feed him arouses her."

Joshu said: "Pussy is the bomb." In that moment, the monks were enlightened.

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OR, next week... talking Mexican curtains.

The strip will feature Ray.

Any strip about talking curtains is certain to be heavy with Beef.

Oh Belgand!

"Oh, Belgand!" is filmed before a live studio audience being kept against their will.

I get it now so take this delayed chubby. I said to her.

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Molly is not dead.

Beef chose wrong.

What is Beef's choice? At first I thought he went back to the Wheel instead of returning to life, but then I realized that the comic doesn't really show that happening. I'm not sure that he didn't walk through the door into the room with Molly, allowing it to close behind him. Are the last two panels supposed to be ambiguous, or am I just bad at reading comics?

I read it the same.

I think the idea is that Beef is facing a doorway which leads to nothing , which is what he's always wanted. But then we flash back to the people Beef cares about, and Beef closes the door, presumably to crawl back into the machine.

I disagree. I think he has the opportunity to step back into his old life, but forgoes it to return to the wheel of karma and the queue of Samsara.

where does that door lead to your interpretation? Into his and Molly's room? Or onto the street next to the burning Escalade?

If those aren't flashbacks, I guess the strip gives us about equal reason to think the door leads to either of those places.

But I think it would be mighty weird, theologically speakin', for the "exit" from the Karma machine to lead right back into life.

The cat doesn't look at the machine, though. The cat looks at the vent. Perhaps he intends to make a third option?

That vent is the "soul tube", as it were. In the last strip we saw him falling into it headfirst, and if the machine were working right, that same vent would have dumped him further down, into whatever fate karma chose for him.

I assume once Beef got the machine doing what he wanted, his next move would be to crawl back into that busted vent and get to wherever it leads.

Well, yeah, that much is clear. I'm saying the third option is to crawl back up out of the soul tube the way he came in. Instead of going through the karmic machine, or facing the choice CH left him with the door (obviously part of a plan to see if Beef will give up and go home), he's going to make up his own rules.

Yeah! Become the ruling body, dude!

The exit door with Molly on the other side seems to me like something the average Joe going through the wheels of Karma never gets to see; Beef only sees it because the machine fucked up. I presume that he turns back a) because he is feels wrong cheating death and is ready to die, or b) is aware of T's and Ray's death and is going to rig the Karmic wheels so he can go save them. B) seems pretty likely, and as some folks mention below, the title indicates such a gamble.
And who knows why the machine fucked up it the first place. Maybe everyone has the option of breaking out of the machine, but I feel its more likely that Beef is unique here. Maybe it has to do with the strange power of the Lash of Thantos. Or, maybe this is Achewood, and this sort of shit just happens to Beef.

I was able to manage reading every 8th word of this. No offense, but we've got enough opinions floating around that I don't think we need any more or that there can be any more original ideas proposed as to what's happening in the strip.

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Really? It made sense to me. I personally saw it that he opens the door and find that it inexplicably leads to his bedroom with Molly. He looks back, to verify that he is in the room with the machine ("I don't remember any sort of wheel of karmic sorting here but Ray he might have just bought it from SkyMall and not bothered to tell me") and, yes, there's the vent he just crawled out of. He looks back at Molly and -- and here is where I seem to be different from everyone else so far -- walks through the door to be with her. The omniscient narrator flashes to Ray, things are getting fucked up for his friends who were on their way to save him. He doesn't know anything about this as he returns to the comfort of the one he loves. The door closes on his choice.

I find these other ideas quite interesting and I can see where people came from them, but it's so wildly different from my own interpretation. Maybe with all his recent focus on cramming in tons of panels, especially tons that slowly describe actions, Onstad needs to work a bit on his visual storytelling. This wouldn't be the first time recently that things have been really unclear on a basic level.

I would agree with that last point for most of the wordless story telling here EXCEPT that that last line of panels seems to be intentionally ambiguous.

It's hard to draw a line between "This artist is poor because everything is not clear cut" and "This artist is a genius because everything is ambiguous and left to our interpretation," but I'd say for that last line, he does good.

And have we all neglected the title? I'm pretty sure the gamble is going into the unknown, because after stepping out of a karma machine, a gamble doesn't lead you to get into bed with your wife and go to sleep. Or at least to me.

the visual story telling is pretty phat if you ask me. Onstad doesn't spell everything out in clear binary logic. To be able to follow the strip to some degree you have to get instead the character's heads and get inside Onstad's head. That's pretty refreshing in a society where 99.99% of all media is written at an 8th grade reading level which these days is probably equivalent to a 5th grade reading level of just a few generations ago.

I can give you the question of whether he goes through the door or not. That feels like something that might have been intended to be slightly vague. But the degree of uncertainty about the room itself? I think it's a probable weakness if people are thinking it was supposed to be a door into oblivion as opposed to a door back home. That something is occurring in Beef's head seems, in this work at least, to be something that ought to be communicated more clearly.

I mean, this isn't a work with an unreliable narrator where we're not supposed to be able to tell if something is real or just in their head. It just strikes me that when this sort of ambiguity comes up maybe it could have been done a bit better.

I kind of saw it as he's looking in on Molly, thinking "How did this door get here?", kind of like belgand's thought of a recent SkyMall purchase. But then we notice his head drop down and his eyes closed, much like he does when he thinks "I don't deserve this." Roast Beef probably still believes that Molly is too amazing for him and that he doesn't deserve her love for him. The flashback to the Escalade is, as said above, more than likely an omniscient narrator who wants to let everyone know that Ray and Teodor are still in Fucksville. Now, I thought that even though Roast Beef believes he's not good enough for Molly, he still walked into their room to be with her. That's just the romantic side of me talking.

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I don't know, I have a feeling he has some sort of glimpse into the fact that his friends are in trouble and he needs to help them (by going through the vent rather than just joining Molly). I really want to believe that he's actually planning on taking some sort of action rather than just resigning himself to "fate."

Also, why in the world would the door lead to Molly? It has to be some sort of illusion.

Well... exit doors from Karma machines always lead into bedrooms with sleeping talking woman cats in them. It's just the way things are.

God, haven't you even read the bible?

God WROTE the Bible, fool.

That's like saying George Lucas wrote all those Star Wars books.

he didn't?

[IMGS OFF]

[IMGS OFF]

accepting fate is an action

I'm pretty sure the burning Escalade is a sort of "Look, T and Ray are still part of this" aside, not part of his vision. Or at least that's what I saw.

Here's the deal as I read it:

Beef opens the emergency exit, sees the room with Molly. Looks back at Possibilities, makes himself a sad face, cut to Escalade burning just so we all know what Beef just left , and chooses to not face his life.

Beef, you just bitched out. There's no getting around that.

he just leveled up on Ray's 'Dying Man' shay.

man we need an entire wiki for the interpretation of each strip

Or NOT.

that's what THIS place is for.

I call it... Assetbar.

I don't think he bitched out. That exit was in the room with the karma wheel. It is the exit to the cycle of death and rebirth. And not the exit of ascension and enlightenment, but that of oblivion.

I've never entirely been clear on the difference

I think that becoming "clear on the difference" is probably synonymous with enlightenment.

see, that's why I never found the Eastern religions appealing... they're all on about how complete disconnection from the world is good... but I like the world. There are sunrises and kittens and boobies in the world. If there was some clear difference between oblivion and ascension, maybe I'd be into that, but as it is it just sounds kind of stupid, like switching off the lights in the Louvre because sometimes the glare gets in your eyes a little.

this is a myth about religion, that it is the abandon of pleasure and joie de vivre, be it Eastern Buddhist monks or Western Christian monks. Sure you have some folks who take things to an extreme and divest themselves of material things. This does not mean that they are disconnected or that they don't feel emotions or joy or whatever.

You also have, in both the east and the west, folks who become totally wrapped up in the material world who are spiritually bankrupt and whose spiritual happiness hinges totally on access to material artifacts and whose relationship with the world is superficial.

You can find enlightenment in Christianity just as well as in, for example, Buddhism. You can also not find it. Most people don't. Most people don't even come close to finding it. Enlightenment is a cultural perspective. It is learned from others. (hint... probably not from Pat Robertson...) I'm sure you have some people who have achieved some form of enlightenment all on their own without the benefit of learning it from others, but with all the shit of modern life I think that this is increasingly unlikely.

Enlightenment is a cultural perspective which is congruent with and built on a foundation of a physiological state of mind... a balanced state of mind... when you measure the brain waves and when you chart the levels of brain activity of the various parts of the brain, there are significant differences when comparing the brain of someone who is enlightened vs the average schmuck.

I don't think that the average schmuck can begin to understand even on a theoretical level what it is to be enlightened. That's similar to trying to understand what an LSD trip is like without having ever experienced it first hand. I've never done LSD, but maybe I've taken some baby steps towards enlightenment. My anecdotal experience is that in studying and practicing the psychology of a religion or a world view, I started out with an abstract theoretical understanding of what 'inner peace' is and how it should inform my behavior, and this abstract understanding I have turns out to be at best a rough outline, at worst a false illusion. 'Enlightenment' is a pretty comprehensive descriptor that implies the totality of one's world view and one's self-awareness. The experience of being enlightened with regard to X Y or Z is, by definition, something which one can not begin to understand if one is not thusly enlightened... Whatever abstract idea or model you might have about 'enlightenment' came from a source which it's self did not have a clue or, if it did, then you were not paying attention. Enlightenment in this or that subject, by definition, is not something which can be understood in the abstract, it is something which is either experienced, or is not. Enlightenment is like riding a bicycle in that the theory and the experience are two different things.

Is it necessary to have random unpredictable emotional and ideological vagaries of the mind to keep one's life interesting? I propose that it is not... the world is already more than interesting enough in it's own right without the benefit of schizophrenic patriotic egotistical bureaucratic neurotic idiocy with which to interpret and engage one's external environment.

sorry, didn't mean you in particular, just meant you as in us in general. I meant when we get ideas about Western style or Eastern style enlightenment from people, those ideas are usually patently false, or, if the ideas are true, then we're usually ill-prepared to understand these ideas. The problem with enlightenment is that it's such a radically different world view and physiological state of mind that you can't get there from here, at least, not directly. So often we see descriptions of what enlightenment is, when all we can hope to understand would be descriptions of the intermediate stages, or rather, of what for one as a particular individual would be the next particular stage towards enlightenment. Hmmm... I guess that explains why I love shows like the Teletubbies so much... Either I've got a long long ways to go towards enlightenment, or I'm already there... It's hard to say really... that one's a close call...

The problem I have with religion (all religion) is that it has an unshakeable otherworldly focus. The Buddha, for instance, achieves enlightenment, and that means he leaves the world behind for some sort of oblivion/perfection. Insofar as other enlightened beings hang around, it's only so we can follow them. There's never any room for the people who want to hang around and make this into a better place, rather than going to some other place which may or may not be better.

Once again, I don't want to be the dude who can't not talk about religion, but I gotta say that that's not what Christianity at least (and I'm sure pretty much every other major religion that manages to not self-destruct) is all about. Yes, the first rule is Love God, but the very next thing out of The Dude's mouth is "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Matt. 22:39 for all you who want to keep track at home).

Christianity ain't about judging, it's about loving. Sometimes...some would say quite often, but I don't think that's the case...it's extremely difficult to love some people, and sometimes we "forget" to love some people, and some people who call themselves Christians don't know that they're supposed to love every people, but that's the way it SHOULD be.

Now why it ain't that way is a whole different story.

The last Christian died on the cross.

Fletcher Christian?

The world is all there is and the world is all I need.

shut up

grow up

stand up for your rights....

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That bed is worryingly close to the ground. Do cats get dust mite allergies?

I don't know but I'll bet Beef is worried about it.

I'm sure it has one of these.

Beef and Molly couldn't afford a box spring.

I have a box spring and I'm poor as a mouse's fart. There are places.

They are called other people's houses.

I didn't steal my boxspring :(

my bed cost $70 from the local Salvation Army store. Someone has almost certainly died in it, but I cannot afford a non-mortality-related bed.

Did you... sell something to get it?

Yes, getting things from your parent's basement is more or less the accepted method of early, college-age furnishing.

Aww shit, man. I thought the flaming Escalade was inside the room with Molly.

My mind was about to remain seriously blown for several hours.

Wait is Molly not even IN the room the exist leads to?

I read this strip wrong. The surrealism has gone to my head a little.

Dawgs, I'm probably gonna catch a few lames but stop for a moment to appreciate the typo--"exist" instead of "exit".

You just can't make this shit up.

woah... I didn't see that until you mentioned it... maybe your typo is what cued me into the idea I just posted below...

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okay, feeding off of your confusion I think I got it now. Beef is imagining Molly alone, beef is imagining Ray's Escalade on fire (which actually isn't too far from the truth.) Beef is imagining that these things may transpire if he is not there for Molly and for his friends... The "Exit" door represents nihilism, a state of mind with which Beef has often flirted. "Exit" is turning your back on your fate, and is ceasing to exist.

But does Beef even exist at this moment? He seems corporeal, tangible; if he walked through the exit, would he not be walking back into his world? If he turns back and re-enters the Wheel, does his life not begin anew, leaving behind his life as it was (the life with Ray and Molly)?

We all fear the Exit door, but grow inexorably curious about what lies beyond.

Could this be the Parinibbana of Roast Beef?

Presumably that's how it's supposed to work, but let's not forget that Roast Beef seems to have engineered his way through to mastery of the machine. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen him cheat death.

That is interesting.

I thought the Exit door was an escape from Death, back into the Life he was just living, and, opening the door and seeing these two scenes, he's taking his chances with reincarnation instead.

After all, he knows that he will be reincarnated because of the book, but he died before he knew of the car crash or fire, so how could he be imagining it?

I think he's not imagining *the* car crash, he's just imagining a car crash in general, and it's just by chance that a car crash did happen. It wouldn't be the first time Ray has crashed his car.

He's not 'imagining' anything. He's seeing what he's leaving in this world- his wife sleeping, and his friends about to be incinerated- and making the choice which way he's going. The ties that bind will likely pull him back to finish his life.

When a person is in both worlds simultaneously, they are capable of what's commonly referred to as miraculous deeds and shit. Apparently Onstad knows something of it.

I wonder if, because of that burning Escalade, T and Ray aren't gonna come tumblin' down that same vent in a sec.

this seems like the most solid theory so far to me

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Beef doesn't know about the crash tho, so he can't be remembering it -- either he's seeing a vision of it or it's being shown to us but not Beef.

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I really do agree with your interpretation.

I was listening to Death Cab for Cutie's "Grapevine Fires" when I saw this cartoon and the Escalade, and I appreciated the lyric:

And the news reports
On the radio said it was getting worse
As the ocean air fanned the flames
But I couldn't think
Of anywhere I would've rather been
To watch it all burn away
Burn away

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in a new york minute

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I think you're over-reacting, Cami. Molly is what will pull him back to his life.

chubbied for having the moral authority to call out roast beef

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Ray, Teodor, Roast Beef... Dead? Is this the end of Achewood?

No. Nice Pete will become the new Ray, Pat will be Roast Beef and Phillipe will fill in for Teodor.

I have nothing against Ray, Beef and Teodor, but I would completely love a comic where the main character was Nice Pete and his cohorts were an aggressive vegan with a boatload of inexplicable issues and their five year old friend who just happens to be there.

it needs a normal character, though, just for contrast and such.

Lyle. Lyle is as real as it fucking gets.

Plus, he's a total character!

In the fleet street sense of the word.

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In panel 14, Roast Beef sees Molly and makes the decision to gamble on being reincarnated as an Unfortunate Being .

My guess is nobody is quite as unfortunate a being as Beef is, so he's pretty safe.

beef is an honorable cat for real yo

is that unfortunate?

Existence and suffering and inseperable so "unfortunate being" actually could encompass a lot of us, all of us even.

Cry me a river.

Beef is not a coward who would desert a dying man.

This comic is like the imagery of a really great rock song.

The cat waxes existential with a crowbar.

In the distant present, an abstraction occurs.

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Roast Beef is not a Cat who would Turn his Back on Karma.

The pillow next to Molly is the same pillow that was under Beef's head in the auditorium.

I think the shot of the Escalade is just to show that that's still going on. It's not Beef's point-of-view.

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this guy is obviously a fucking troll

hilarious! within about an hour of me posting this, the "unread" guy is added to the global ignore list!

This guy is obviously a fucking troll

(experimental results must be tested by repetition!)

I love how conscientious Beef is in panel 4, carefully placing the crowbar on the floor, as if it'd be littering to just toss it aside.

...so did Beef just leave the one place where he could save Ray and T?

fire - hot - burn!!!

Onomatopoeically, [IMGS OFF]

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is that kitty vomiting confetti, or what?

I'm pretty sure Manflesh has just given up his usual schtick recently in favour of completely random shit, just to see how many chubbies he can still rake in from the more... faithful AssetBar patrons. He's experimenting with us, just like he always was.

testing the waters...

We can expect a sexual epic about Ash and his Pikachu pork-roasting Misty next strip.

I think spit-roasting makes more sense.

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Ash roasting.

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and it's yawnytime.

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YANI
ENYA

Both got popular at the same time;
Both have almost the same letters in their names,
yet have you ever seen them in the same room at the same time?

I'm just sayin'.

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o spam-markers, where are you...

why the fuck isn't all_unread on the global ignore list yet? It seems that he posted so much friggin spam that his lame to post ratio isn't high enough to kick him onto the list.

people have grown lazy with lames.

We can't get lames. Despite rating every strip I don't think I've had a lame available to me in well over a month.

i think you need to give more chuppies for more lamz.

Perhaps, I've decided to be quite sparing with them and almost never run out. On the plus side I always have some for late-game brilliance that needs rewarding.

The kitty uses his confetti beam to indicate that he is desirous of immediate anal play.

Thats a bit New Rave for me, thankyou very much.

I am in love with your Doctor Manflesh and I can't live without your star-trek slash fiction.

in love with YOU, I mean, not your. Damnit I hate mistakes like that especially when you can't delete your own comments and just re-write them properly. DAMNIT I hate such mistakes.
DAAAMNIT.

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The Ur-Quan Masters is following me everywhere today. This is the third time, on three non-gaming sites, that someone's brought it up!

TWO COMICS IN TWO DAYS, PEOPLE!!!!!

Also, as much as I hate to admit it, this arc would be a REALLY good way to wrap up Achewood.

You want another slice?
"No, I'm OK."
What else is on?
"Yeah, let's see what else is on"
Where's the TV guide...

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TITS

i enjoy them.

All unread excels in the area of tits.

But let's not think that way, please.

I honestly think if Onstad ended Achewood he'd start up something else. And it would be all new and exciting. So I'm okay with it.

But what if you had to die and go through your own Karma Machine to find it?
Huh? What if?

WHOA.

i agree thegoblins!

you jinxed the hell out of it.

molly looks a lot like nice pete in this one

there is something wrong with your brain neonfreon. I would like to meet you in person to see if you are interesting. you are kinda weird.

I think you are gladi8orex

honestly i havent slept much in a few days and im really on the edge right now but i am not gladi8orex

why hasn't you sleep much? drugs?

not enough drugs

i don't want to mislead you: certainly some drugs would help me sleep better, but i think the prime factor was starting a new job last week.

i slept well last night; thanks for your interest in my life but i'd like to change the subject now

no, wait, let's talk about you. Are you married? Do you have kids? Do you masturbate a lot? Would you like to see a naked picture of my clitoris? Do you have problems with emotional intimacy? What drugs are you on? What do you do for work? Why do you let work stress you out?

I support this line of questioning.

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YOU'RE BOTH GIVING HIM THE OXYGEN OF PUBLICITY.

DESIST.

He's clearly not, gladus8nalsex has much worse grammar, and he always childishly messes up peoples names to make fun of them. Also this user is not attempting to key style.

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i'm with you. i thought "why would beef want to watch nice pete sleep?" but the emotionality of the scene suggests it's his woman. if he dies, he will never again have an argument with molly about the hardcore porn on his computer, then buy her greasy chinese food as a peace-offering.

they are both cats, therefore they will tend to have some common physical features.

So Beef took the gamble of not returning because he's so hell of depressed. Meanwhile, we're led to believe T and Ray are burning to death. This better go somewhere good, Onstad, that isn't death for all major characters.

WHY IS THE CAR ON FIRE?

Ray decided to light up a cigar

...why find out?

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Because of a problem?

I really, really hope you're referencing one of the early Achewood comics. Oh hee :)

hell of such as duh.

...Sorry

just givin' you a hard time, yo.

welcome to na Assetbarrio.

Assetbar: The Last Place I Will Ever Expect Kindness.

Don't worry, cpnglxynchos. I know the ropes like I know Todd.

...biblically

i hope that's not true.

oh hell i guess you would, rockin' a reader level like mine. we should start a gang .

I hope that the door has closed to show that he has decided to stay with Molly, but I fear that he has turned away, by the way his eyes turn down.

I can't see Ray and T inside the Escalade, I assume they got out. If they didn't, I see them rocking in heaven soon. Perhaps T will meet a WASP-type woman who likes sex secretly.

naw his eyes are just closed because he's thinking and imagining hard.

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I see people going back and forth on this, and after absorbing everyone's observations I'm coming down on the side of (a) what's outside the door is the Void and (b) Molly and the burning Escalade are third-person interstitials to help us orient ourselves in time, not things Beef is seeing either literally or in his mind's eye.

He chooses to turn his back on the sweet release of nothingness all on his own. He chooses to get on with being reborn, or perhaps to keep wrenching the karma machine, not because he actively knows that he needs to save his friends or stand by his wife but simply because true oblivion has turned out to be less alluring than he might have imagined.

Next I suppose we'll find out whether this means he's passed Cartilage Head's obscure test or failed it.

What you're not noticing is the background difference. On the one side of the door, you have stark black background. On the other side, you have pale grey.

Unless Onstad is pulling a fake out, Beef just chose poorly.

I did notice that, but I guess I'm reading it differently. Do you see him as passing through the door or heading back the way he came? To my eyes the "inside" (where the karma machine lives) is gray, and the "outside" (the Void, or whatever) is black. To me it looks like Beef chooses not to go outside.

I think we can both agree that he he chooses not to go into the black area, whether that be Void, or Life.

I hope your interpretation is correct. But it looks to me like he turned his back on the big, messy, beautiful thing called life and is going back to get raped by the karma machine for a bit.

You see, that's where I think you have it backward. That big, messy beautiful thing called life which rapes you is the karma machine.

The first noble truth: Life is suffering.

Before enlightenment: Chop wood and draw water.
After enlightenment: Chop wood and draw water.

I was tempted at first to interpret Molly and the Escalade as "existing" beyond the door somehow because those frames share the black background color, but I decided against that interpretation. Mostly because it requires an extra step: explaining how Beef can "see" the crash he doesn't know about.

He can see it all, because he's not being given a choice, he's being given The Choice. The one great To Be or Not To Be.

You can't claim ignorance when The Choice comes for all of us.

If nothing else I think the very fact that we can have this discussion (without either of us being clearly insane) is eloquent testimony to the metaphysical richness of this here cartoon about talking cats.

But the cat doesn't talk in this strip

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Think about what're seeing as being shown partly through Beef's eyes. Panel 1 shows the exit, then panel 2 shows us Beef looking at the exit out of frame. That's a standard visual storytelling device, in film studies you'd call it a shot reverse shot. In 6 through 8 we don't see Beef's eyes at all, then in panel 9 we see him looking out of frame again. This suggests we're meant to interpret panel 10 as the reverse of the previous panel; a shot showing us what Beef is looking at. Panels 11 and 12 definitely work this way since we see Beef looking behind himself and then a reverse shot of what he sees: the metal re-birthing canal that we know is located behind him. So if panels 9-12 represent two shot reverse shot sequences then what's explains the panel with the burning Escalade? That I dunno, but notice in the previous panel that Beef's eyes are closed so it would seem he can't literally be seeing the Escalade. Either he has a vision of it in his mind's eye (Not unreasonable given the divine setting) or it's a cutaway shot which changes our POV for a panel.

Interstitials: a good word.

Amazing how this arc went from housewares porn to everyone pseudo-dying.

I am sorry to have to be the one to point this out, but Beef did not go into the room with Molly. The door does not have a "closer thingy" up by the hinge. The strip clearly shows the door still open with no Beef on the bedroom side. The door is moving because we hear (see) the "creeee" noise. The only way that door can be moving is if Beef is on the other side of it pushing it closed. Besides, his facial expression in panel 14 foreshadows his decision. He knows that he can not just go back into the bedroom like nothing happened. It don't roll that way for such as...

It doesn't need one. Doors can close due to their own weight or perhaps Beef pulls it slightly closed as he goes through. These are all reasonable things to happen.

Still, good insight and reasonable support to your interpretation.

And as the Tathagata left this world for all time, he remarked upon himself, "I sure hope they need me sometime..."

I think everyone is wrong. It seems to me quite obvious that the room with Molly is a peaceful afterlife, and the panel showing the car on fire is showing the cat's other choice: to go back into the room and have the chance to save his friends. He makes the choice to go back, and hope that peace can come later. He is not a cat to deserve a dying friend.

Desert a dying friend. Sorry everyone.

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I think that the 'gamble' Beef takes is: he stands on the threshold of returning to his life and the people who need him, and the obvious way to go is thattaway . But he takes a gamble and does something else. I wonder if he has figured out how to work the Karma machine, and wants to hack some changes? Such as making Ray and Téodor not die in a car accident? I guess we'll find out.

Ooh, I like this one.

Nice work. I like your theory.

While you are all contemplating your navels, have you noticed the second row of strip hasn't uploaded properly?
Or is it another C.O. device to Fuck With Us?

it's motion lines. kinda terrible motion lines, though.
like to show that he's moving the door very slow.

...ly.

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my moms freidn wreckd her camero when she woz li'l. dat pic reminds meh o wat was liked perhaps 2 hab been accident. ma mam had lent her teh car an she total it is wah happen. mom tol' me adder teh story she says dis "never let anybody else drive ur car." she cited insurrence mumbo jumbo an what-not but i was only 5

sry 2 open up 2 yall. no u h8 dat shit

at least you remembered the advice, right? the only thing worse than not learning from another persons mistake is not learning from your own.

no no we love it. Open up some more. Tell us how you got to be this way. It will be a cautionary tale.

THE MELANCHOLIC HISTORY OF FREIDN AND HIS KINSMAN CAMERO.

{Scene 14, enter Freidn, Camero, torches, pages, musicians}
FREIDN: Forsooth Kinsman! If there be but any comprehension in this storied globe, let me grasp it, or if your humours be too impenetrable let it elude me like the vine to tantalus. It aggreives me to see thee thus. Mark you this, a sorrow shared is a cargoe more evenly loaded. Camero, What ails thee?
CAMERO: Wreckd, perhaps 2 hab been accident.

{Shot heard off, fanfare, music, curtain)

Haha. Oh, Comrade Tom, you're alright.

The more intense and dramatic this arc gets, the more justified it seems in its hijacking of the sapphic erotica arc. I was disoriented by the sudden shift at first but am becoming intrigued as to where this is all headed.

But was the arc hijacked? I mean, Beef being dressed in a poorly ventilated elephant suit MCing a lesbian erotica porn writing competition with a poorly (to put it kindly) prepared teleprompter script... is about as meaningless as life can get... The dude and his bride still live in Ray's pool house, don't they? If they moved out then I missed that blog post or whatever. But either way, this Karma arc is about Beef choosing to find and accept some kind of personal meaning in his life that is of his own conception, instead of just going along with the ideas, projects, whims and fancies of his friends, and instead of just being prodded forward in his world view by his own insecurities and cares rooted in his own ego. This arc may be about Beef finally fully forming his own vision, a vision which is enlightened, which begins to transcend his own damaged experience... Finally truly coming to terms with his own life and his own inevitable death... That's something he has to do on his own, something which all too many fail to do, always choosing as we do to walk through that "exit" door at every available opportunity, escaping awareness through watered down mass market top-40 drugs, sex, and rock 'n roll. Sing fur sie Katie Couric.

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duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude

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whaaaaaaaaaaat

the culture you people have formed here is dissolute and sad

i'm not sure what you mean.
i don't know if what you're saying means anything.

(be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.)

Stop saying that.

I can agree with much of your analysis, 8 - the bizarre, Ray-centered situation Beef had been dragged into as the last minute MC of that contest was all-too typical of the kind of crap he's had to put up with in his lifetime of loyal friendship to Ray. It is a reasonable conclusion that the contest was only so much chaos and noise for the purpose of providing something from which to escape%u2026 a %u201Cperfect example%u201D if you will of his life%u2019s turmoil.

However I suspect that this much is only obvious with hindsight. At the time of CH's intervention I felt that events were becoming overly complex and directionless. It seemed like the contest was the %u201Creal%u201D story and that it was not being given a satisfactory conclusion. Now that this second act has sufficiently unfolded the direction is perhaps easier to see.

oh my god assetbar is merciless

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This experiment has proven people prefer Bill to ted.

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Used my lame allotment already, somehow. Is this kid even legal? Bad idea.

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Impressive & excellent analysis. My hat, is off, to you.

I'm not 100% sure I get what's going on in my 110% inebriated state, but the alt-text totally makes this a 5 for me.

This 1 combination of 3 numbers for some reason makes me have 2 read your post 1 more time.

Man, it's all about the alt text on this one.

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The joke is that the Cadillac Escalade is an uneconomical automobile.

lamed u so fuck u

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please spell out you for my sake

NOOOOOOOO!!!!

THE SOULS ARE ON FIRE!!!

They did burn.

The way that I interpret this is that Roast Beef has a choice: Return to Molly in his own bedroom, which is where the door leads, or return to the karmic wheel and meet with Ray and Teodor, who are currently in the process of dying in the Escalade.

We shall see, I guess.

Are the cats definitely going to die!?

Open up the flame-engulfed automobile and find out!

OH SHIT NO WHAT DID YOU DO THEY'RE DEAD NOW.

I think we can assume that seeing the flames on the outside of the vehicle collapses the burnt/not burnt waveform.

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Beef stays with the machine, clearly. Because 'Beef is not a coward who would desert a dying man.' I don't know how, but this I believe. I love Roast Beef.

Any men making puns on the last sentence will be emasculated. Women will masculated.

I don't want to be "masculated", Deacon Blues, so no puns! Just want to V-chub!

Emasculate me, man-sandwicher!
I boo your gender normativity!

I accept your offer of an expensive and life-changing surgery! Except that I can't think of a really good pun at the moment. Perhaps I need to beef up my vocabulary.

so you want your labia all done up into a penis?

I'd say clitoral enlargement would be more accurate, and effective.

however they do it... I'm no expert on it by any means...

Who doesn't?

I often think life would be much easier and more fun if I were born a boy.

being a boy isnt harder than acting like a boy.

Let us all see well that Beef slowly closes the door of possible exit back to Molly, taking care to do it slowly as to keep from disturbing her rest. He goes back to the machine which is why he "takes a gamble." The real thing of it all is, I've been wearing my Cartilage Head tshirt almost every other day and can't seem run into any random fans to mull over this arc with. If you see a man in a CH tshirt, SAY HELLO!

I had a dream a few nights ago that I met a bunch of dudes wearing Achewood t-shirts, so we bonded. I wish this would come true. The only person besides myself who reads Achewood around here is my ex-boyfriend, to whom I introduced the strip.

(A bloo bloo bla bloo.)

i once met a group of dudes while waitressing, one of whom read achewood AND zizek. he was on the chubby bearded side but hey, i am not picky. before they leave, i drop my WHOLE NAME, WITH SPELLING, and tell the dude specifically to facebook search me. i am still waiting...

NOT. fuck THAT guy.

Man, if only I had the social skills necessary to communicate with waitresses. I could learn so much.

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Start off with hello.

daedala makes a play at preserving power over herself and her emotions. She reaches out but grasps nothing. There is nothing there to grasp. And now her naked arm is exposed to the elements. She draws it back in but it is too late. The sandstorm has left her skin raw and the disease is with her now.

sounds like Prey .

I read that quickly as "I met a bunch of dudes wearing Achewood t-shirts, so we boned". I honestly wish I hadn't read it a second time, now.

I read it as "I met a bunch of dudes wearing Achewood t-shirts, so we did bondage."

Oh, man, that would be preferable.

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is it the smell from the t-shirt you wear every other day that keeps them away? we may never know.

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Or he spends an impressive amount on laundry.

What a cat of circumstances, allowed to realign his karmic fate and crawl back into the jeffries tube of truth.

is onstad going to retcon? i have a feeling he's hitting "reset" here.

I just realized another possibility. You see Beef looking through the door, and I think he's looking into Molly's room there. Beef, realizing that he now has a way out of this situation, turns around and notices he forgot to screw that piece of sheet metal back into place on the chute, and goes back to fix it before returning to Molly.

Roast Beef would not desert a broken Karma machine.

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noz? is that you? it's me, rry.

I watched the Breakfast club for the first time last night.

Thought you lot would appreciate that.

assetbar is a lot like the breakfast club

That was my reasoning, someones always either in tears or getting fresh with the girl with mental health issues.

i totally want to date her.

also, here 's the first part of the music video i'm working on. pretty rough, but here.

maybe you should go to art school

it's gonna look better when i'm done but if i need ideas or anything i can just slap my twin and ask her things.

no, no, maybe you should go to art school...

like, "go now before i kill myself," or "go now before i kill myself?"

MAYBE

sweet.

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All I can think of is the last chapter/scene of American Psycho: "This is not an exit"

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Cats always gotta be like that. Just need to see what the other side of the door looks like, then decide they're better off where they are.

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Also...

Matrix: Reloaded

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yeah, Queens are pretty bitchy. (and not pretty, bitchy.) you need to meet some nicer gay people. like my best friend. she's totally queer and almost cynical to a fault but one of the greatest people you'd ever hope to meet. it is clear you need more fag love in your life.

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I bet Ray is fine. He'll probably come out of this better off.

His ears got burnt off. All ears did burn. off.

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This is kinda getting epic.

epic, you say?

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Epic, you say?

Oh god too big.

Must distract lamers by pointing out vague humourousness of a Brecht reference in reply to someone with a Marx avatar! There's... a connection...

Agitprops to my main man Bertolt

Mourn ya till i join ya.

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dude, i laughed uncontrollably for a minute there

it was the best thing to see while high so i gabe you dis chuppy

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Epic, you say?

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What is it?

Analysis indicates that it is Epic , sir.

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Epic fail?

Onstad needs to get all up in this bitch and say who has the correct or most accurate theory of what the fuck is going on in the strip.

No he needn't - it's pretty clear what's going on in the strip.

yeah it is but some people still can't get it

odds are this'll be cleared up within a strip or two
even if the arc doesn't end, there should be something people can use to clue back in

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How many times has Beef died anyway? I predict the strip won't end until Beef or Ray or both have died nine times.

hard to tell; he was shot before the strip started (first time we see him shot, he tells his mom "Ray shot me again"), but whether he died that time is impossible to say.

It could go either way.

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I've had that thought too. But then, we've seen Todd roll through more than one afterlife, and there ain't no saying about squirrels.

I predict the strip won't end until Onstad have died once.

hopefully no crazy fans shoot him like Lenon

like who

I wish I could get away with making death threats. that would be some killer performance art. no pun intended. Like, take a bunch of knitting needles and poke them through a chicken and send it in a box to Onstad. Like, a cooler. A small one so the postage is cheaper. And put some dry ice in it too. Maybe fedex it instead of mail it to avoid any kind of federal offense against post office rules of sending dead chickens. It would have to be a feathered chicken though. Complete with legs. But cut the legs and the head off and put them in three zip lock bags and then tape the zip lock bags onto the chicken where the head and the legs normally go. And write a message to onstad scrawled in magic marker on the inside of the cooler... like Quote:
{quote] "Dear Chris will you please autograph my chicken and send him back to me I am your number one FAN I made you who you are today I will never forgive you if you don't sign my chicken so I suggest that you do it


yeah that would be pretty impressive. but that would probably not be allowed because mayeb it could be construed as a death threat against if not onstad himself then at least maybe against his pet chicken or something

(see what I did there I boldly changed the subject away from my not knowing how to spel lennon.

It's Lenin

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oh i see what you're doing. what a clever fellow.

His mother is so proud of him.

i didnt realize it was a misspelling and completely missed the thing

i thought Lenon was a person on the assetbars and was considered the top candidate for shooting onstad

i wanted to make sure i wasnt Lenon

Well now you can rest, assured.

psst hey guys don't you think neonfreon is totally lenon

actually, neonfreon thus far is an enigma. he has a dead guy for an avatar and he does seem a little socially maladroit. Also I can't remember if it was further up or further down in the comments or if it was the comments of the last strip, but he said he didn't want to talk about himself and wanted to change the subject. What is he hiding...

also, AIU thinks he has used neonfreon's real-life picture as his avatar (a1u), and is annoyed at the lack of reaction from neonfreon, but hasn't directly stated it on assetbar. He just posts a bunch of pictures of dicks/guys without shirts instead

I wrote a script to detect and ignore aiu but it doesn't seem to be working on you.

Are you not him?

I'm not annoyed. I did google for neonfreon and grabbed the first pic I found, but the chances of it being him are still pretty small, and even if it was, he still might not respond. It seems you reverse engineered my stalking to see if you'd find the same pic? I mean, seriously... if that's what you did, then you think like a stalker. If you were a computer programmer that would be understandable but you're into literature and writing. Doing a character study on hackers? what gives?

all the pictures... well... that's just a whim that hit me...

Fuck you, and your whims!

I'm already about ten gigs over the limit on my download plan, and then you go and spam the thread so badly it took ten minutes (on a pretty fast connection) for me to be able to reach one of the "ignore user" buttons.

sorry about that. I probably won't do it again for at least another few months. It's interesting to me to fuck shit up, but it's pointless to pull the same stunt day in and day out.

I hope you can get a better internet plan and/or a better mobile device.

Sorry America for clogging your cell phone towers.

if you tried to dial 911 and you couldn't that might have been my fault for forgetting how much AT&T has it's head up it's ass and how merely coughing on the line is wont to bring an entire cell tower down.

Not to mention AT&T gives the government access to all of it's internet traffic so now there is a CIA hard drive somewhere in a secret room with all that garbage on it. That probably cost $5 worth of storage space alone knowing how government contracting works, and that will wind up costing our grand kids $50 by the time the loan for the hard drives gets paid back to China et al.

That reminds me... I was going to ask if you're on an iphone... if you are, fuck you for supporting a company that supports illegal government wire taps, if not, then sorry for fucking up your bandwidth.

I'm in New Zealand... I get 40 gigs a month, which generally gets eaten up by my five flatmates in less than ten days. I have no idea what speed it is, but any amount of gay porn on my assetbar is too much!

(unless it has been used for sophisticated lulz. Just putting it there because you can is insufficient lulz).

Actually, you reverse engineered my stalking. I found that pick of neonfreon ages ago; you think I would've somehow seen that pic in your avatar and assumed, out of all the people on assetbar you hate (especially the guy you think I am), that it was neonfreon? I knew who it was before you did. I don't even have to try. You're so predictable, it's pathetic.

(let's see if this fucks with his head)

i can see that

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beef rolls up to teh crank in funk
with a pulla the bar he fixes it
with a p'kunk
makes his wsy 2 teh exit


roast beef is dyin'
escalade in teh street fryin'
puttin out more carbon than 1 idlin'

wats he doin' was goin' on?
getin' no answer win i dial 411 on teh phon(e)
i'd real like 2 get 2n onstrads head
get n2 teh min o teh man whose strip i read
put all dese questions i got to bed
mang i speak 4 maself but i include we
when i say 4 dat i pay any fee
2 know waht happens, 1 tick
after teh door goes creee
an then klik


magical song

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this song is better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GFDyeaHVZQ

Is he in or out? Of the room with Molly in it. When the door closes. I mean, I thought out, but then I noticed it is not completely clear.

no, it is completely clear. this has been discussed.

It amazes me how ambiguous the strip seems to be to so many people. Come on folks, let's up our game.

I've upped my game, so up yours.

Haha. Good one.

Some days I miss Pat Paulsen.

It is my pleasure to amaze you. I still like to feel it is ambiguous though. In the third row he is holding the door open, so you can guess it closes by itself. There's Molly in front, there's the karma duct behind. There's the blink of... resignation? ...resolution? Then the door is shutting and you don't see any of RB. So to me that is ambiguous, he could have walked into or out of the room. I think out, based on personality and story line and such.

P.S. Sorry, I'm sure this is discussed somewhere in that troll jungle up there, I just didn't bring my machete...

I'll probably be proved wrong, but it seemed clear to me that he closed the door without going through.

Facial expression was his sadness as he thought "no, not for me - back to death I go". He can't know about the Escalade, so it's not a resigned/resolved "okay I gotta do a thing first" facial expression.

I think you have convinced me. Also, what the hell are we doing, talking about the comic on assetbar? Who do we think we are?

I never played pokemon, so I just have to talk about the comic. It's a sad existence (although not dissolute) :'(...

(BTW best comment in this thread is where Spazdor notes that maybe Ray and Teodor will be tumblin down the Karmanator any minute now)

Spazdor. is. rad.

Aw. I think that you are rad too, Aperson!

I was totally wrong about the meaning of the strip and it's YOUR FAULT Spazdor. b]YOUR FAULT[/b].

OH FFS.

It's a metaphorical door, it's not limited to 2 sides. Imagine if you will an entire Jacob's Ladder of possibilities, unfolding before you as the door swings. Where will Beef go? Where does any of us go? The only way he knows.

He's got to got to got to take it slow

Ha ha! I guess I don't get to say I told you so, though, since in the end I actually agreed with you guys. Damnit.

Slylandro? Orz, yehat. Shofixti arilou chmmr. Mycon umgah spathi, ur-quan melnorme. Druuge supox thraddash utwig zoq fot pik ilwrath. VUX!

is it a trap though

It's a death trap. It's a suicide rap. You better get out while you're young.

I don't recall any springsteen in star control 2.

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Wouldn't the upside-down Escalade on fire with at least one cat involved be considered a Schrodinger's box? At least in the context shown here? Even conceding that anything still in that car would be dead now, there is still the chance that Teodor dragged Ray out through those sealed, broken windows without our seeing. So then, would that box be the car, the entirety of the strip to this point, or just that particular panel?

Ain't nothing quantum about 50 gallons of flaming gasoline.

This reference was already subtly made.

Usually these correction things are a lot more explanatory...

SPLUT!

the one way this could have been better was the username being splut. jussayin'

i chubby you anyways.

The little fragment of squirrel that bounces into shot at the end makes this.

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this deserved a chubby--to some degree--but I've been too friendly in the past, so I'm holding back.

so sometimes when I was bored I would google my ex gf's name and then one day a court docuemnt came up what showed she was charged with DUI

it's too bad I could not have been there in the spectator area of the court room with a t shirt with big 200 point font in black text on white background that screams "HA HA DUI BITCH YOU GOT A DUI DIE BITCH DIE SNED HER TO JAIL JUDGE SHE IS A BITCH AND A WHOTE"

sorry s/b "whore"

Mark Raston?

Someone apologising for mispelling the word whore when refering to a former partner is basically a microcosm about everything thats wrong with the collosal bouncey castle/sewage treatment plant we call the internet.

I know. That's why I did it. At first I was just going to correct it, but then I realized it would have comedic value if I left it as a typo and then apologized for it.

Your Ex girlfriend sounds like she was better of out of it vis a vis your relationship.

Yes.

I pronounce DUI "dewy". It makes it sounds sexier, as in "Hey, that girl's got a dewy going on" or "She's got such a big dewy they have to lock her up for our protection."

It doesn't make it any less of a crime but it briefly distracts me from the reckless horribleness of it all.

But only if the perpetrator of said dewey is female?

Dewey is always sexy.

are you saying that a guy with a huge dewey is not sexy?

Quote:
sometimes when I was bored I would google my ex gf's name

Umm, can you say "stalking"?

(I wasn't even going to go there)


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Why you go to do a thing.

Because the thing won't come here to be done. Not even if I ask politely.

At least the page got distinctly shorter when I ignored it.

the word you are looking for is appreciably

too right.

I expect a full apology once her sobers up.

I meant "he" of course, but the boobs distracted me.

Beware the mute boobies.

Or is it Cartman's arse?

BEWBS!!

the rudest!

should he stay or should he go

...now~

I see my light come shining
From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.

Whoa, half a chubby for putting that song in my head at the perfect time, the other half for making me think about the lyrics in relation to the possible death of a cartoon cat.

in the recent comment, i only saw 'half a chubby for p...' and i had to figure out how that ended, mostly 'cos half chubbies do not exist. (my cousin is only Five, so no pictures please.)

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In Donny's voice: "ENOUGH WITH THE BLANK POSTS!"

It's blank posts or several screen lengths of subpar gay pornography. Which would you prefer?

Sigh. Porn... I choose porn and I am ashamed of it.

Fortunately I had a book to read as I sat here waiting for the page to reload, so I could hit "Ignore User" again. After a couple of iterations of this my laptop stopped choking.

Even more fortunately, there's still witty banter and intelligent discussion in here, both of the comic and of shoes and ships and the universe and everything. That sort of thing was why I created an account a few days back.

For courage in the face of a vast, uncaring tsunami of cock, I salute you all.

Shhh groen. Dont let Him know that he's TOTALLY DEVASTATING OUR LIVES - it'll just encourage the guy, evil genius that he is.

I dunno, I wouldn't say "devastated". Hell, I wouldn't even go so far as to cop to the smoldering, teeth-grinding irritation that is a troll's catnip. Mostly this kind of crap is a vaguely baffling annoyance, like mild car trouble or a ten-second brownout in spring.

On another note entirely, it occurs to me on like my seventy-eighth rereading of this strip that Beef opens the door to sees Molly sleeping, closes his eyes, opens them again to see the burning Escalade, and then shuts the door . . . except the order of the panels doesn't quite support that, now I look again (seventy-ninth time?)

And as I typed this I initially capitalized it as "the Burning escalade". Which is totally a French/Caribbean fusion dish waiting to happen.

Shhh groen. Don't let on it's not that much of a problem - it'll just depress the guy.

(I don't think the Escalade panel is what Beef is seeing, but that's just me)

stfu groen UR a cunt alreddy h8 u

C'mon Glad, don't be a dick to a newbie. Remember when you nervously made you first few posts. Waiting anxiously for a favourable response, hoping you hadn't offended anybody's sensibilities unintentionally....

Just joshin.

good joke. like glad had any problems with that businache.

Actually, the best part is that I ignored glad some way back in the archives, and so had to click just to see what you were responding to.

Wait, no, the really bestest part is that I didn't say word one about glad up there, not the merest hint of a mention, and in fact wasn't even thinking of him when I went on the engine-lights-and-brownouts tangent. But, meh. They say the ancient Greeks treated headaches by simply ignoring them until they went away.

spot on good sir

i don't think rb is seeing either molly or the caddy, i think o is just showing what's going on, but then again, maybe he sees both and is going back to putz around with karma some more to help them, then again.....splut, i'll just click next