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Under the Hood. Tuesday, December 2, 2008 • read strip Viewing 2070 comments:

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I beseech you, casual reader, one who scrolls not past the first few comments: Do not lame pogo for his crimes. His dog just died, as you would find out later in the thread. Show him some compassion and leave this reactionary comment unmolested.

FUCK THE BOURGEOISIE MAN

( sorry i get all antsy when i see words like reactionary sorry everyone i'll just be quiet )

That is...that is exacty on point.

Nothing in this first thread is on point. That is the point.

But in the spirit of the last strip's description of Ray by things he probably does ...



i_love_kate wears a nice argyle sweater, a pea coat and a red scarf on romantic winter walks, but his frequent pratfalls seem exaggerated and almost calculated.


spinynorman goes to nursing homes and tells the residents his fictional accounts of his World War II childhood.


pogo live-blogs antiques conventions and hopes to turn his posts into a wry novel called Antiquery: A Year Among the Midwest's Mustiest Treasures .


stereo spends $145 a year to subscribe to Cat Fancy ironically, but refuses to donate a dollar to children's charities at the gas station because he worries about excessive administrative costs.


falseprophet takes on a stilted Sub-Saharan accent when in Europe.


theguitarhero showers at around 3:30 pm and then microwaves something.


achilleselbow had a special tool fabricated of the perfect proportions and density for destroying children's sand castles.


eatemorekix sits cross-legged on the floor while she scrapbooks.


woodenteeth always inquires whether he may bring a dish to a dinner party, and that dish is inevitably spiced with thyme from his own garden, although no one ever recalls asking him about it.


gladi8orrex smiles and nods at everyone on the street, then averts his glance in annoyance if anyone responds.

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Yeah, I know. The sadness fills me completely. I shall now go scowl at something so hard that it is reduced to ashes.

dangelder is being excluded

I saw Danger Gelder. Damn fantasy novels.

I saw vicious Norsemen being paid off to avoid them sacking, raping, and pillaging any more.

They should just do it anyway.

Not a good business strategy. They realized that protection money was a lot better gig than pillaging and they already had a fearsome reputation to make it work.

Like the Mafia with silly hats.

Uhm, you are aware that the horned helmets are entirely an invention of Wagner are you not?

They actually wore fairly normal helms for the times.

Do not get involved in the SCA unless violence, pedantry, drinking are concerns of yours.

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You...you should've just ended it there.

Well, yes, but there is a lot of opportunity to drink people's home brew and hit people quite a lot.

Whoa what.

Awesome.

Also I believe your assessment of i_love_kate in particular is probably spot-on.

Do more!

We beseech thee.

Hear us!
Wait, was that seriously a Godspell reference?

i believe it to be just that. and here i was, thinking {hoping} i would never have to hear that jesus-freak bible thumping tent revival music again, and now i am singing that annoying but very catchy song.

Oops, I was trying to quote the Spinal Tap episode of The Simpsons: We beseech thee, our half-inflated Dark Lord .

I love that episode.

And now I'm gonna slow things down a bit...

"If I leave here tommorrrrroooowwww..."

aaaaand I just remembered that's not the quote at all. I'm going to bed now.

You rmembered the funny part.

I was hoping that others would follow this with similar descriptions of other regulars ... I just picked the first ones that came to mind, and I acknowledge the many glaring omissions.

saulbellow hides behind his suave and well liked avatar and his humorous and often image based internet comments to conceal his tortured soul. On the other side of every well planned out joke that we all titter at in class/at work/on the toilet is a man who has not left his room in the past three years, has an endless well of links to mine, and a long neglected hamster.

Ouch.

Rough chuckles there, Saul.

I call 'em as I see 'em. Don't want to detract from the man though. We live as we see fit.

DR_MANFLESH_DESIRES_ANAL_PLAY_IMMEDIATELY is a soft-spoken funeral home owner who is well recommended in his community for his genuine concern and attention to detail. He takes a snifter of brandy at the end of each day and has regular appointments at the groomer for his Coton de Tuléar who is called Papillon.

Wish I could remember the basic way to do what you did, embedding a picture, which I know I did before once, it's so musty in my head sometimes. (Like my new/old face?) Thanks for "doing" me.

I lie your new avataricon. :)
I'm glad someone did you too!
No one has every done me.
:(
Also, [img ]www.example.jpg[/img]
You must delete the space, however.

Thanks, as the oldest guy here, I thought Larry King was a good face to put on. Besides, I'm a journalist, too.

Anyway, I know the BBcode for an image, but it's all the bother of putting it somewhere on the innernet.

Yes, do me! Do me!

He screamed.

I just saw a pizza box in the kitchen

"WE DELIVER
FAST AND HOT!"

My first thoughts were that this was a line being used by a pair of sexy, slutty twins trying to talk themselves up.

Mine was wrong, that was only one time, this time I was working on a project.

Yeah, your description actually better describes me.

Yours better described me than mine, unfortunately. I tend to challenge the winter weather with as few layers as possible, so I probably wouldn't wear a sweater even if I owned one. Plus I seldom walk for pleasure.

Falling over in order to lighten a mood is something that I must admit to having done in the past, though.

I feel like I know you less than I know the other Assetbarbarians, ilovekate. Maybe it's because you post a lot less since I came on.

In my awkward years (Sophomore year of high school), I tended to wear up to five or six layers at once, three during the summer. And I love long walks by myself.

I do post less. This is saddening. I've been trying harder recently, though. It's the jerks, mainly. Back in the day, the line between the mildly caustic and the genuine troll was so clear to me. Now, there is confusion. There is contention, and drama . I just don't enjoy it as much.

It is a complicated place. I kind of think it's more interesting that way, though.

Why there have to be so much drama in the ASB?

I see what you mean. It is hard to tell who is a troll or not. I wonder if there are people who still think I'm one. I probably have the highest lame-to-chubby ratio out of everyone with a post count over 1000.

It comes and goes, this Assetbar fixation, like love, like heroin, it calls me back.

I miss lachatbotte.

Hi everyone! I missed ya' guys! You are all beautiful snowflakes with equally valid opinions!

(Meow! I'm a cat!)

HAI DADDY!!!!!!
<33<3<3<3

I think I have the ability to call upon any Assetbarbarian, no matter how long it's been since they've posted.
But with great power comes great etc.

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I think I have the ability to call upon any Assetbarbarian

Only those who search for their name.

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I think I have the ability to call upon any Assetbarbarian

Let's test that out. What's Dr. Skradley been up to lately?

Dr. Skradley, appear!

miaou! Je suis un chat!

Vous avez notre attention.

You fool! Tha'ts just what he wanted !

Crap!

The wily francophone has tangled me in his web.

I apologize, to all of you, for the apocalypse I have triggered.

Wait, wait.

No, really, that wasn't me! I don't even speak German!

Lack of attention to cats lead to cats exiling to the moon. Is that what you want saulbellow? [b]Is THAT what you want?[b]

Lack of attention to cats lead to cats messing up their BBCode. Is that what you want saulbellow? Is THAT what you want??

So are you the real LeChatteBotte in reincarnation form, or are you just some weird other guy?

Can't it be both?

Oh, I thought he was Milk Bot, not Cat Bot.

It was actually LeChatBotte, I think. But either way, it wasn't milk. And that's lait anyways, if we're going with french, isn't it?

Yeah, but if we misinterpret both the words and the language we could end up with leche . I took Latin though so dealing with any other Romance language is a lot of fumbling around. It's like middle school make outs. Or so I assume they might be if I had actually ever had any. Or even high school make outs.

Aw, begland, how can I help you in the form of makeouts?

You could buy him giftmas presents, so he can make-out like a bandit this year.

That would be very nice, but I have a girlfriend for makeouts now. Perhaps you could transfer the makeouts to her. That would probably work pretty well. I do not want to push though. This has already gotten pretty thoroughly creepy.

I do appreciate the desire to help, but, as far as basic makeouts are concerned, I no longer have a problem here. Maybe if there was a way to convince girls to desire to have makeouts with me in the past that would nice. But I do not think we currently have that technology and I'd also be pretty jealous of past-me which would cause further problems.

Good eye!
Didn't even catch that.

When I bring back people they are not quite the same. They are different in small, creepy ways.

The jerks these days, I no like'a them so much. Maybe I change, maybe they change. Who knows?

I used to like jerks. Mow, not so much.

I switch it up: sometimes I microwave and don't shower, other times I shower but eat the dinner cold

3:30 is about right tho

Are you saying I'm Pat, because that is pretty much true.

Sand castles are an entirely irresponsible use of natural resources that reinforce an oppressive authoritarian cultural mindset. After I destroy the castle, I always provide the children with an illustrated pamphlet showing them how to build a sand bicycle co-op or a sand organic smoothie stand.


The great thing is, it is not much of a stretch to imagine you destroying children's dreams with a precisely calibrated tool.

You're a precisely calibrated tool.

I am closer to a stone hammer.

As a dense, blunt tool you nevertheless see far more use for basic pounding than a refined, precise instrument well-engineered and specified for only a much narrower range of tasks. Each of which is over quickly and easily as if it never even existed due to the care and craftsmanship put into it.

That stone hammer will see constant use. Even for unorthodox and ill-advised maneuvers it was not originally designed for.

Man, I want to buy you a pizza now. What a nice thing to say Belgand, thank you.

Well, it's just the way of things. The hammer and screwdriver are simple tools, but you'll use them far more often than any fancy, well-designed tool. A hammer is always great for whenever you just want to pound on something and that screwdriver is likely coming out for all sorts of prying that it wasn't designed for simply because it's there and it'll work.

This is the secret of your sexual success and the reason for our failure.

This has been the greatest analogy in the past three years. I am showing my coworkers, it is a success.

Really though, I'm probably going to ctrl c, ctrl v this into notepad, then alt r.

Also I know this could be taken in a way of you calling me a cheap whore, easy and willing.

But really, I'm just a product. As long as she's smiling I'm happy.

I know this, I accept this, and I use it to my favor.

Now I need to take a vacation. Pizzaria w/ Belgand.

I know an excellent deep dish place. The cheese... there is just so much of it! Even as a dedicated thin crust sort of person I can get behind it.

My vacation hours refresh after the new year, when is a good time?

Not certain, we're hopefully moving at the end of the month. Otherwise I've been looking for a job for a long time so I am always available.

I would not generally consider me a fun enough person to spend vacation time on though. Unless sitting around all night playing Super Smash Bros. and eating taquitos is considered to be a good time. As I've said before, I don't drink, so uh... I am not up on the main things people do to "go out". If there is concert, then yes, much fun will be had, but otherwise? No idea.

Dude, Smash Bros. is the definition of a good time.

I think they are the bees knees. I have spent entire days throwing my roommates off the screen. Why is this game not a national pastime? We should have TV stations devoted to Melee and Brawl, much as the South Koreans do Starcraft.

As are taquitos.

Well then. Everyone is invited to my place for taquitos and Smash Bros. Perhaps some Rock Band or Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix as well although I need a second PS3 controller.

Why do I not know people such as this locally? How would I meet them? My current friends are usually just too busy all the time to hang out and when you only know two people that brings things down pretty quickly.

post fliers?

I'll play Rock Band, but only if you promise I don't have to play drums. And I will provide the taquitos, as long as everyone is down with chicken.

Chicken is totally fine. If people were down for such a thing I might just make a huge batch of delicious chicken enchiladas.

Damn. We need to have the Achewood Meetup. One of the days we could take CalTrain down to Palo Alto and, uhm, well, I've never been there, but I'm sure there is something to be done that would be Achewoody. Something better than sleeping in while I make some deliciously gooey cinnamon rolls.

WE SHOULD BREAK INTO ONSTAD'S HOUSE

(no no no)

TOO LATE.

Shit, no going back now *smash*

Hey will you sign this OH GOD MACE OH GOD OH GOD

I love chicken taquitos, and I love the drums. This is maybe working out.

FUCK THAT FOOT PEDAL THOUGH.

Maybe I can get SJE to be my drum groupie, he can footpedal for me.

I don't use my foot to play the foot pedal

You use your hands?

This is turning into an actual thing. This is turning into the most actual thing of things that must be actualized.

I need to get drums still. I will have them in time.

Right now we all still seem to be kind of half-joking about it. I think this is because as much as we may want it to happen, many of us don't have jobs (at least not well-paying ones), and would probably feel strange about flying across the country to hang out with people from the Internet.

At least that is what I am surmising. Personally, I would actually be willing to shell out for a plane ticket, but probably not for a hotel. I don't know how many other people feel this way. I do remember that Southwest meetup that Tekende and others tried to organize didn't happen, so I'm not too optimistic.

I went to at least one meetup for an Internet community (Everything2) but that was held locally. People flew in and others drove a significant distance to attend. There were a lot of them though and the community there was pretty interested in having meets.

You totally have a point though. Most of us are either students or in that post-student "I don't have any damn money" phase. If not I suspect that we have money, but not time and we're probably not in the habit of doing that sort of thing due to family and other commitments.

It's really just a shame that we're all so spread out. I think of us regulars there are maybe only two or three of us in each reasonably drivable region.

Otherwise I would totally be up for hosting. You guys just need to live closer to Achewood.

I have money, but I don't know where you live so I don't know if this idea is at all feasible for me.

He lives in Gayville. Pay attention.

Yeah, I basically never shut up about it. I just signed the lease for a new place in the Haight. While not party central I would be interested in making it an important local connecting stop with agreements with regional party providers.

How many people could you fit in your place though? Like, even if everyone crashed on the floor? I'm thinking that if at least like five of the regular posters showed up, it could be a Thing, but preferably it would be somewhere around eight or ten to make it worth the trip.

Anyway, we should talk about this again in a few months. Daedala mentioned that she might be relocating, and I might possibly be as well, so we'll see where everyone ends up.

and zapatos needs to plan ahead for time off from his job.

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He lives in Gayville.

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How many people could you fit in your place though?


*snicker*

Hmm... I'm moving so I don't have a great idea, but it's a two bedroom place and one of the rooms will be used as a computer room with some storage so there should be plenty of space.

At some point it might be wise to inform the girlfriend that I have invited the Internet to come stay with us for a while.

I think there would be room for about eight or ten though. Or you could experience local culture and go sleep in the park. It's only two blocks away.

"Hey babe I invited some friends over for the next week, is that cool?"

"Yeah... who are they?"

TEH INTERWEBZ

"Oh shit dudes, 4Chan just did something in the kitchen that... oh god... that is just unholy. No more, well, no more anything for 4Chan, OK?"

"Yes, lolcat, I know you're "in my bathroomz", but other people need to use it!"

My new place actually has a second toilet in a small room containing nothing else just next to the bathroom. I find it odd that it's not en suite with the master bedroom, but that's the way it's built. I used to have an en suite half bath at a previous apartment and it was very useful, but it was a full half, this is just a toilet room.

A quarter bath?

If you want to bath your hindquarters in a toilet, then I suppose you could call it that.

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I went to at least one meetup for an Internet community (Everything2)
Hey, I love reding that site! Were the people rad? Was much fun being had by all? Was it awkward meeting anonymous internet people?

*Ahem* reading*

RE- DING !

It was quite awesome. Pseudo_Intellectual is a very interesting bearded young man of the type you might have assumed. He is definitely Canadian. RoninSpoon has great stories and is very imposing. He is a man who you do not want to displease. OrangeJulius had a taste for Cape Cods. We discussed how the Rolling Stones were indeed awesome.

It was a great time to be had by all. I got a bit screwed up and missed bits though like the trip to a local playground for early morning fun.

It was, basically, not at all awkward. Kind of like going to a party and meeting all the friends of friends that you've heard about, but never quite met. In person they are more awesome than you had even imagined they might be.

I am far less awesome in person, but that's to be expected.

I doubt it. You are likely radical to the max.

What I am trying to say is that my Internet persona is so awesome that there is no way any real-life personality could measure up. It was both self-deprecating and shamelessly self-congratulatory at the same time.

I am not joking at all, and I would probably buy 1 (one) fine chica a plane ticket. I am also not down with a hotel room, I would hope Belgand had a place for us to sleep. At least a tent in the backyard.

No joking, it is a Thing.

and then I read the next comment. Awesome.

Discussions will happen. This should be tabled until at least the new year. It seems that both Zapatos and Elbox are on board. Others may also come. We will need to work at this, but Aching Wood 2: Electro-Gonorrhea will be made to happen. Or maybe just AcheFest or something.

Begin Operation: Motha Fuckin' Party Truck

Damn man that sounds totally awesome but I will have to eat prior to coming over because I do not like taquitos.

TEKENDE, I will bring you a falafel, or whatever food it is that you enjoy.

I will pour you a mean bowl of cereal.

Are you also against enchiladas? And nachos? Will you not stay until the morning when we have homemade cinnamon rolls so gooey that even a group of tween girls watching New Kids On the Block circa 1991 would have to concede defeat?

Enchiladas and nachos are supremely awesome foods.

Indeed. I spent about 20 hrs/week playing the original in college with friends.

Still, it feels a bit like you're just hanging around the house and not having proper fun. I worry about that sometimes. I mean, if that is all we ever do whenever we hang out it seems like maybe it is not such a great thing.

Man that sounds like a good time to me. I drink heavily though, so... maybe you could order a soda and watch my antics?

I spent a great deal of time doing that as well. I enjoy bars, but not drinking. Is great conundrum.

Nah man, bartenders love it when you drink soda. Until they realize you aren't a DD.

"come on, if you're gonna order soda I'm gonna have to see your drivers license and car keys"

Well, for most of the time I did so I was since I was the one who both did not drink and owned a car. Worked out well. Also we knew the bartender and much of the staff fairly well. I think I have related this story before, but Dave, he was on The Amazing Race one season (I do not watch reality shows and when I found out it was coming into the bar and being like "Dude, why is Dave is TV?!?") worked there and we usually went when he was tending bar and would sit around watching, often, Dog the Bounty Hunter (I cannot be held accountable for his poor choices in television).

I would still be able to pull that here, but everyone just takes public transit so not really any designated drivers.

In other news, I am all for a meeting of British-type Assetbaristas. Come on, guys. We'll find out who has Brawl and then the rest of us will concoct a quasi-Mexican foodstuff and grab the cheapest coach to Greater Shagging or wherever. Easy as.

The problem is that while being an island is a bit of a problem you are still in much greater proximity. We live in a terribly, horribly large country that takes about a week to drive all the way across.

I suspect that Zapatos will be providing the Greater Shagging.

Seriously, dude has more shag than wood-paneled rumpus room.

I think Loneal already hung out with all the British Asstebarians individually. If you missed it, that's just your fault.

Pat's an asshole, you look more like a dick to me.

I'm the little guy that tags along hoping to be one of the gang.
"hey guys, what about me? Can I hang with you?"

11 names dropped
11 chubbies
internet math

16 chubbies my good sir.

And just as quickly, steev_dayv's own comment became obsolete and inconsequential.

When I read your comment, you had three chubbies. That is 11 in binary.

I heard that motherfucker had, like, 3 goddamned chubbies.

Two chubbies on the vine.

Cor-neil-i-us, Cor-neil-i-us... he threw a knife into heaven and can kill with a stare.

also... so divine

He'll save children but not Ray's children
He'll save children but not Ray's children
He'll save children but not Ray's children
He'll save children but not Ray's children

DUG DUG DUG DUG DUG DUG DUG

Had a pocket full of horses, fucked the shit out of bears.

Ketel One and Hypercolor in his perfect hands

DUG DUG DUG DUG DUG DUG DUG DUG

Are worth one in the hand?

They could be but that's not what I was referencing.

He once held an opponent's wife's hand . ..in a jar of acid . .. during a party.

Wh...where's the chubby reference?

Or rather Achewood reference.

There is none.
I refuse to bow down to your forced memes.

sje46 is now a meme. Discuss.

Oh the delicious irony! Hey guys! SJE SJE SJE
I WAS ALL SJE...SJE...SJE...SJE...

Awesome meme is awesome.

All for you, man.

Oh man I was acting like a 5 year old otter today, I was all SJE...SJE...SJE...

At first I was like Bary, then I was like SJE...SJE...SJE

Cheeky fucker.

Don't speak to me like that. I am a meme now. I deserve respect, just like Milhouse.

Pfah!

Fie!

BAH!

daawwwwwww comere milhouse

sje, did you know i really like you?

*clasps hands together, staring at feet
*

Really?
:)
heeheehee

you didn't cry this time! good job!

Give it time...

Some ladies like the innocent seeming boys. They wish to corrupt them and take great delight in watching them blush and squirm at their lascivious advances.

I think I blush and squirm at any sort of advances, I'd be an easy mark.

Hey, what's up. You like batman? I like batman. I'd like you to come over and watch batman with me.

And afterwards perhaps some amateur spelunking to find a new Bat-Cave?

Are you coming on to me?

take "to" out, and we'll have some fun.

No, I was planning on coming into you.

oh HELL yea, the main assetdudes are gayin' it up in this place!

WHO WANTS TO GET THEIR GAY ON???
A: Belgand. Belgand does.

*sits in the corner and watches*

I literally am having trouble not laughing.

I will not be getting my gay on nor do I have a pressing desire to do so.

I do find it interesting that you would interested in watching such an event. I do not know that many ladies who are into man on man, especially compared to men's typical interest in the opposite.

I am also very flattered that anyone would have an interest in viewing me in a positive manner. I have the insecurities like a failing bank.

Hmm, from what I have been given to understand many ladies are into dude-on-dude action. It is not necessarily as pronounced a desire as men's for lesbian stuff, but it's there.

Maybe I am wrong. If so I'm sure loneal or heccibiggs will inform us.

Do you think it is okay for a man to give another man kisses?

i agree that it is worth a one-time charge of $4.99 to witness such an event.

Remember we were talking about attnetion seeking sluts at parties? I'm kind of like that.

i was at this concert once (Taste of Chaos tour to be exact, i was young and liked silly music), and the singer from The Used got onstage with the singer from My Chemical Romance right after their last song and he walked up to him and they STARTED MAKING OUT OMIGAWD IT WAS SO HOT.

i am sorry if i like boys who wear makeup and look like girls and have makeouts with each other. it's kind of my Thing. not that i take it seriously. i mean, guys don't usually take things they find hot seriously either, do they.

Gerard Way is probably gay anyway, I don't know about Bert from The Used though.

I approve of that activity and wish that I had been able to view it as well.

ladies ladies ladies, do I have a show for you.

Well I don't. Sorry.

Tease.

Phillip, I need to send you some files. I am feeling guilty about not teasing you enough.

And you should. Both the guilty part and the files part.

don't worry, i'll have something for you soon...

That might make you a lesbian.

I am a pretty girl.

I marched twice after Prop 8 passed even though I am not gay myself and I oppose marriage and any government involvement in marriage.

A very good friend of mine is gay.

I have no issue with it, but I do not desire to do it myself. It is like Stone Temple Pilots. I have no desire to listen to them myself, but I don't care one way or the other if other people choose to do so.

Stone Temple Pilots: Just Like Being Gay

Stone Temple Pilots are the gateway drug to buttsecks.

Yes!

I like you too, and will try to parse your name:
Some Jewish Einstein
Sam Joseph Engleberg
Sasha Jupiter English
Sidney Jo Eastman
Am I getting warm?

One of the names is correct. However I have posted my first and middle names a few times already.

Samuel Jebediah Enderngaard

Joey Jo-Jo Jr. Shabadoo

No, no, what?

koo koo ka choo!

googoogajoob

That's the most awful name I've ever heard.

*man runs out crying*

Joey Jo-Jo! Come back!

Is it... Sean Jeez Everybody (Go and Check the Damn Facebook Group Already) ?

That would require using Facebook. I cannot allow that.

You are correct with the first name. But my middle name is not Jeez, and my last name certainly isn't Everybody (Go and Check the Damn Facebook Group Already)

But I think 46 stands for "for sex". Can't think of a synonym for 'desperate' beginning with a E though.

The E and 46 mean nothing.

they mean everything

yelled beef to the chicken

Said the panda bear...on the thing...?

It's true.

Congratulations! you have described all one needs to know about the community that is worth knowing. If this was a message board it would get a sticky, but, since it is an assetbar, it gets a chubby. It's like a sticky, but without the follow-through.

I decided I will write an epic featuring all the Assetbar regulars.

Also, spiny hasn't posted in mad long.

Hmm, hope spiney didn't get his drunken hed stomped in an alley for deconstructing Sartre at the wrong bar.

Not in an alley, no.

Was it a small park? An apse? The doorway leading up to a second-floor walk-up flat of ill repute or Asian "massage" parlor?

In.....the Conservatory with a lead shank by Mr. Todd?

In Montparnasse Cemetary by any chance? If so I believe my wife may have kicked you while you were down. I apologize for her action and my discourtesy in not helping you to stand again. Though I don't bring it up at dinner, we disagree about Sartre as a matter of course. She loves him, I think he wrote volumes and volumes without ever proving anything. I will endeavor to bring it up in private conversation more often to get her accustomed to the idea that others disagree about Sartre. I'm sorry it is too late to save you from your fate.

I shall attempt to stab you in a disaffected beachfront murder even though I will be doing it because I disagree with your opinion on Sartre.

Ah, why even bother? I shall go be disaffected at the cafe instead.

cameos from drmanflashneedsanalplayimmediately and asherdan?

They will be the villains.

Sort of a Megabyte and Hexadecimal thing. Oh god I hope other people have seen that show.

"when bob went face to face to face to face to face to face with hexadecimal his chances for survival went from small to infinitesimal!"

V-chub!

That's fucking awesome.

It shaped me.
I have many angles and a pop art dog.


And a bizarrely deep and metaphysical attitude to AI

Who the fuck hasn't? Much better when Andrea grows up. And the kid, he turned mega badass gunslinger.

Retardo shows up as that guy who's in every long work of fiction who you think is the villain until they get whacked like 50 pages in by the real villain.

The red herring. I will be the fish monger on the street that is described briefly only to serve as a metaphor for some larger point in the story.

a commie fish monger perhaps to truly make you a 'red' herring?

If I have ever displayed communist tendencies then SURE. But I'm not the red herring, I'm the metaphor. I'm like the pig head on the stick.

Oh yes oh heck yes .

The real plot twist, though, is when it turns out the protagonists best friend was one of AIU's alt accounts the whole time.

(Shh! Be quiet!)

Oh definitely. Asherdan will be one of the villains, and I will feature a scene where he squishes a cat under a boot. There will also be an epic battle against TOUAMB. I am unsure about the doctor. Perhaps I will write him as a wiseman sitting on top of a hill who speaks in enigmas, and is a controversial figure of sorts.

I am undecided on gladi8orrex.

gladi8orrex is a scribe. A translator of sorts.

Hmm. Not bad.

I want to start working on this. I am serious. As serious as I was with NaNoWriMo.

DUDE WHO WOULD BE THE PROTAGONIST

Spinynorman? He's a bit of an everyman, I think.

I was thinking I would be the protagonist but maybe it would be better if I was the plucky sidekick instead.

Oh man you are the plucky sidekick in your own fanfiction.

That is like eleven kinds of sad and one kind of stinky.

it is also one kind of badass, the awesome kind.

so it's never going to get done?

Probably not. Probbly won't be good if I write it anyway.

isn't it drmanflashndesiresanalplayimmediately ?

I'm a dick. :(

I still adore you!

A million v-chubs for your status.

Can I be some dude, just standing there for a few minutes before getting killed in crossfire between the Antagonist and the Progtagonist?

The progtagonist has to be someone who likes prog rock.

I like the Alan Parsons Project. Does that count?

wasn't that a 'laser' stationed on the moon?

NO AUSTIN POWERS REFERENCE, PLEASE.

And it was on Moon Unit Zappa, I believe.

I shall reference whatever I please, for I cannot spell eloquant.

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Alan Parsons Project

Did you see their cameo in "Oh Lucky Man"? Brilliant. Best concept/studio band ever.

Oh Lucky Man ?

Wow, I am curious how many other Assetbarians have even heard of that film, much less seen it.

And no, I don't remember the Alan Parsons cameo.

O Lucky Man is excellent. Hope you've seen If as well. I haven't seen Brittania Hospital.

Was Parsons in Alan Price's band then? I loved they way they did those musical numbers I've never seen anything like that movie. It fucking rules.

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Was Parsons in Alan Price's band then?

Maybe I got my Allens mixed up - great use of music and band, anyway.

Nope, never heard of it.

I love prog rock. Be it classic Rush or King Crimson on up to Coheed and Cambria I am totally your man for prog.

I see myself more as someone who knows the correct answers to the mysteries at the center of the plot and I tell the protagonist early on, but I am ignored in the rush of things.

I would like to join the progtagonist and lay down some truly fat prog bass lines, but I'm not quite that skilled yet. Actually, being a bassist is also a really great way to be completely ignored despite making valuable contributions that are ultimately correct. It's also a great way to be a lazy dick who just plays the root (and maybe the 5th if you're feeling fancy) of the guitar chords in straight eighths.

This now needs to be a prog rock epic. I can think of no better way to convey what needs to be done here.

I know nothing about music.
Keep in mind, however, that the progtagonist is not the protagonist. I am still deciding on the pro.

chubbied like an apocalypse in 9/8.

I love me some Coheed, they are so great. I did not like them at first. My roomate was all, "you will like this band! 'what did iiii do to deseeeerve...'"

Yeah Scott no, you suck and this sucks and fuck you.


Now however, it is different. He still sucks though.

Your mom got a sticky from me last night.

lucky lady

wow... reading the last sentence of that makes me want to bathe for some reason

YES!

I will prove this exactly correct once I get a passport.

Saul, you are insane with awesome.

I feel so left out.. do me!

This is what I'm always saying to the ladies but they do not listen.

The ladies, they are not likink such desperation. The ladies, they require passion and confidence!

but still in the end they do not like him

Beat me to it. Notorious.


But They Still Stay With Him For His Money!

It's been a while Doc, good to see you

Where did you go?

Some guys like Chance
Some guys dig Community Chest
I been with chicks in both locales
They all say that I'd take 2nd prize in a beauty contest

Fucking BEAUTIFUL.

Paperboy 2000 is really one of the unsung heroes of AssetBar.

I keep remembering that and then forgetting it again. Keeps it interesting.

Well, rap isn't exactly singing, but I'd say we can now call him at least the vocally syncopated hero of AssetBar.

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Paperboy 2000 is really one of the unsung heroes of AssetBar.


Agreed. No offense to those "popular choices" (heccibiggs, tekende, spinynorman, et al), but if I ever actually gave a shit and thought about who my favorite assetbar posters are, paperboy would be in the top 3, at the very least.

Chubbies: 1814
Lames: 29.

That's just impressive.

He must have never said anything mean to anyone ever. Normally I'd think that was boring. In his case it's just beautiful.

He only mad elike 300 comments too. I made 2367. And I have almost no chubbies because I never have anythingcool or clever to say and people hate my opinions anyway. I just come on here and post and post because I have nothing better to do with my miserable life.

Dude, just...just stop. Don't be blue. It don't suit you.

Sorry. Forgot to take my SSRIs.

I'm better now.
And embarrassed.
(I don't actually take medication)

SSRIs have a tendency to take away your sex drive. Not for everyone, but for lots of people, men and women.

I mention this because the subject of virginity came up earlier, and a reduced sex drive can make such a condition easier to bear.

Not that I would know anything about that myself, of course.

I know about the sex drive thing.

And I have realized that this is a huge advantage for me.
=)

Yup, yup. V-chubs.

Aw, shucks, I am just glad I am amusing someone besides myself with my posts.

YES.

Thank you for this.

dangit why can't I be among god's chosen???

The Garden is Lonely.

Is your avatar actually you?

Yes. But mine isn't anymore.

And I thought I knew a celebrity :(

I will have you address all questions through my secretary pogo. Now...

for one of those shitty blowjobs...

wow, someone else read 'the lesson is learned but the damage is irreversible'? wow

I was always partial to the special fire that instead of burning things to ashes burned them to reptiles.

It is indeed the greatest. The reptile fire was a favourite as well. I enjoyed it on par with this comic.

A lesson was learned, but it is that it is gone and shall never return and there is nothing that can ever hope to reverse that damage.

And now, in accordance with what I feel his final wishes might well have been, you will be shown all of the pornography on Woodenteeth's computer.

Please follow this link to the porno.

Hah. Referency.

That was both my first strip and one of my favorites. It's tough though as they were all amazing.

A Lesson Is Learned, The Parking Lot is Full, Perry Bible Fellowship... these were some of the greats. They will be missed.

I'm also feeling a bit of self-satisfaction that I managed to work in another reference in there on top of the original one.

I share the satisfaction. It's not referenced nearly enough... in so far as that it will interest people and possibly send them to check it out.

I own the printed Parking Lot... and they just re-released all the really old ones. I have them on my coffee table. A Lesson Is Learned probably won't ever be surpassed. And poor PBF. It was great and then the poor artist self-imploded. Even after the Throbblefoot Aquarium comic (i.e. The Princess was summoned, to search the lake).

It was one of my favorites. I have to wonder what his new projects are.

Do you know Pogo though?

Eh?

Great avatar synergy.

I would imagine such a tool as being like a narrow spade, save with a bulbous head. A tool looking much like a penis of wrought iron, perhaps with a handy fiberglass handle

you are so wrong about me. so wrong .

eatmorekix actually lounges on a beanbag chair or lies on her stomach while scrapbooking. No leg-crossing is involved.

scrapbooking implies impressive organizational skills, and sitting crosslegged implies good posture. i have neither.

And reasonably thin legs! Don't forget that!

Scrapbooking implies that you are a terrible person. It is not an activity, it is not something that can be verbed, and scrapbooks never, ever need to be made for any possible reason.

I'm out of it for a little while and everyone gets delusions of grandeur!

fuckyoufriday no longer has a job that involves wasting time on assetbar. :(

Bummer, dude. But how about at home?

Fuckyoufriday has no home.

Wow, fyf, your avatar looks a lot better when it's not being stretched beyond its limits by assetbar...

DON'T SAY IT. DO NOT SAY IT.

That's what she said!

Holy fuck I just realized this post ACTUALLY KNOWS WHEN WE CHANGE OUT AVICONS AND CHANGES ACCORDINGLY.

I didn't chubby this the first time but I am now.

That's right, little buddy. The post will track you for all of your remaining days (9) on this earth.

Achewoods Finest.

what about words like revolutionary , coup de'tat , political dissent , and CHE

Well, those usually end up way too far away from what they're responding to for anyone to make anything out of them.

FUCK YEAH FIESTA ACE DICK

SEPULCHERTUDE!

...Fiesta Ace Dick truffle shuffle icon!
That...is awesome.

A comment left by farqussus was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by fakead, joeynarcotic, Audhumla)

FUCKYOOOOOOO

Okay, this post is destined to sit several hundred posts below where it was intended. May cause confusion.
Solution?
For those uncertain as to whom the previous post concerns, I offer that it is you, dear reader.

Lil John says Fuck me? FUCK ME? FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU SO HARD!

Fuck you Two Times!

Fuck you twice today!
Fuck you two times, girl
I'm goin away
Fuck you two times
One for tomorrow
One just for today

She said, "Please, do it again, studman steev!"

..'cos the next time you see her she'll be like 'OOH, KEVIN G!'

I bow down to your reference from a rap song from Mean Girls.

That was a good movie, and not only becuase I am attracted to females.

Tina Fey got her fingers on the pulse of high-school.

tru'nuff.

And she announced that our culture is dead.

and now would you please join me in a reading from The Goat.

NO!
NO!
NO FUTURE!
NO FUTURE!
NO FUTURE FOR ANYONE!

future is one of those words that looks wrong when viewed en masse.

According to "I'm With the Band" at least Jim Morrison was kind of a massive dick. That is, not thinking merely of the fact that he was in possession of one.

That doesn't exactly surprise me.

Yeah, I don't think it surprises anyone. Far more interesting was learning that Jimmy Page was into whipping and carried a selection of flogging equipment around with him in his suitcase.

Fuck you twice today!
Fuck you two times, girl
I'm goin away
Fuck you two times
One for tomorrow
One just for today

The irony in this double post is delectable.

GODDAMMIT DOGG.

Out of 21 lames on this comment, only two of these people are people that I can remember having heard of. Who are these mysterious 19 strangers that lurk in the shadows solely to lame first comments?

...The machine elves.

They have no souls, and very likely do not exist in our mortal plane. They are whispering spirits who never had a body to lose. They are omnipresent and nonexistent at once -- machinations of pure hate.

They galivant about our world, seeking hatred or offense. If anyone, anywhere, finds something offensive or lame, the machine elves swoop in and latch onto it -- screeching "LAAAME! LAAAAAME! " with ghoulish falsettos.

And they make horrible toys with their cringled hands. But these crude toys were defecated upon and hurled at enemies. It wasn't a holy jolly christmas that year, for many died.

bloooood?

Nice hair, Ray.

It was the early Nineties, we all made mistakes.

Yours was colouring outside the lines.

Actually, I had a terrible haircut too.

However, I was three and gave myself the haircut, so I don't know if that makes a difference.

I have pretty much an afro now. I need a haircut.

I mean, I don't want to look like an actor from Zoey 101 or something.

I had to google 'Zoey 101', and now I would like that five seconds of my life back please.

But now I am looking at the wikipedia page and apparently in the third season one of the characters is diagnosed with Obsessive Male Gender Disorder (OMGD) which I guess it supposed to be funny and kind of is but not in the way it was meant to be.

You have never seen the show, and I would advise against it.
Terrible acting.

I hate disney/nick/theN/whatever brainwashing channel it is.

Plus, doesn't star a Spears?

Though that can't be right, that little Spears was recently impregnated, and The N generally frowns upon the moral lessons that implies.

I don't know. I find my sister watching Degrassi, and every time someone is getting raped, shot, crippled, impregnated, aborted, gay-bashed, or what have you. And there is always a B plot about cheating boy friends or some catty bitch calling another catty bitch ugly or whatever.

Also, look at Spears family history. Lil' Spears has quite a legacy to live up to. Being pregers is just the start.

I swear in every episode thee is a subplot with someone liking someone else but refusing to hang out/date them because of their ruined social image. I realized this while watching this this weekend (my sisters like the show).
Do people really care that much if you hang out with someone who is not as popular as you? Really?

I think Degrassi is a bit different. Likely due to being Canadian.

Different in what way.

A Canadian way, duh.

I recall hearing that is is notable for it's great degree of drama with constant raping and violence and such. The sort of thing that wouldn't likely be on a TV show in the US aimed at teenagers.

Not my sort of thing. I never watched any of those type of shows so I don't really have a proper comparison to make.

Well you know, they have a sort of Canadian way of going about things eh.

Eh?

What's this all aboot?

I believe it did star little Spears, and had to be canceled as a result.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3vUaB_qy8
I cried.

TJ GOT SHOT!!

...actually, some kid named TJ actually got shot on Halloween this year. Google told me so.

i knew the hairstyle he was referring to immediately, but i would trade five seconds of my life to change that

I have to effing live with that hairstyle though.

I am diseased.

Yes. The early 90's was the worst time for American culture by far. When you think of the stereotypical 80's clothes, you are actually thinking of the early 90's. A little bit spandex, neon colors, impossibly stupid hairstyles, that wierd pinkish glow everything on TV had...that's the early 90's.

That is hell.

We will look back on emo in this fashion by 2010.

Black never goes out of style.


Neon colours do.

Neon is still hip.

Neon still cool! You pay later!

I was never cool.

Were you hot?

Icy hot

I was so hot I responded to a Simpsons reference with a knowing counter-reference that nobody apparently got.

I'm so hot I'd burn up the roof of your mouth so badly that it would be left more fucked up than eating a second bowl of Commodore Crispy.

That is pretty hawtt.

The hair style and guy-liner will. Trust me. Also, being whiny will fall from grace.

I doubt it. Being whiny has been around in different incarnations since the 80's.

Nobody will ever discuss emo ever again. It's not even remotely important enough to be relevant. Plus, when has it not been mocked?

Maybe you just grew up in the Midwest, where everything comes three years later?

Aw, how cute. Desert_donkey has gone from being an annoying troll to being my own little machine elf!

:D

Seriously. The worst of the 80s was settling down by the early nineties, and was finally on its way out by say, 95ish. My early childhood is full of images of aunts wearing neon-colored jackets, poofy hair, and large, brown thick framed glasses, while sucking down Marlboros and Benson and Hedgeses (100s) and long red nails. My dad finally shaved his mustache in early '98 and the mullet now only makes brief returns in between haircuts. I shed my mushroom cut in 4th grade and no longer cuff my jeans, and have not worn a backwards cap with a tuft of hair sticking out of the adjustable band since probably 1996.

Absolutely. The whole development of American Culture after the 50s fits in pretty well into an analogy -- a high school party.

See, the 50's are the beginning of the party. A lot of the booze hasn't gotten there yet, basically everything there is the host kid's dad's six-pack until somebody shows up with a couple 24 packs or a keg. Everybody who has arrived is still a bit frustrated and tired after their long days at school earlier (World War 2, as the analogy goes). The lack of alcohol is similar to the drug market of the 50's. Cocaine is still available as a stimulant legally, but it isn't nearly as widely used as it is today. Pot is not very common, particularly among young people -- partially due to the fact that in the 50's its quality was terrible. The party is still nice, neat, and tidy. Nobody has knocked over any pictures or barfed on any rugs.

Well, the 60s are the introduction of some of the beer. Some dude has just rolled up in a chevy with 2 cases and now everybody can get started. The music comes on, and everybody is finally starting to have a lot of fun. The bringing of the booze is obviously the introduction of more and more widespread drug use, which at this time is still very rarely regulated. The music industry in the 60s is really starting to explode, and the high numbers of younger people are really starting to cause the demand for new and different music to rise. Unfortunately, as more and more people show up to the party, everyone starts getting less comfortable. Somebody breaks a picture frame or something, and the host gets more than a little pissed (Vietnam).

Well, more people show up, and the keg is finally here. It's the 70's. Now there's more beer than people know what to do with. Everybody had to relish their beer when there wasn't much -- but now it is readily available. People are getting trashed, it is starting to get messy. With everybody drunk, things are starting to get ugly. Maybe a fight or two (the Tet offensive?) has broken out and shit is going down. The beer abundance is the sudden rush in the drug market. The Controlled Substance Act has just passed, and the forbidden fruit is the sweetest. Marijuana is starting to boom in America and cocaine use is at its highest to date. Things (fashion) are starting to get really messy. It is all about being comfortable, because with the spills and messes in the increasingly crowded party it is getting harder and harder to stay content.

The 80's are the messy shit. At this point, people are fucking trashed. There's still more beer, but nobody needs it. Everybody is already good and fucked up. Those fighting assholes got kicked out of the party, so at least thats over, but a couple of douchebags are fighting over a chick outside (Iran-Iraq war) and it could get ugly soon. At this point, things (fashion) are just going crazy in the party. People are so wrecked they don't even care what they look like. Coke is fucking everywhere.

The early 90's...well, that's the massive fucking hangover after the party. Everybody just woke up in their 80's clothes, and even though they are filthy and look like idiots, nobody feels good enough to change yet. Fucking hangover.

2000-2008, your parents found out and you're grounded until after we all find out if the 2012 prophecy is true or not.

Seriously, the '10s have to be better than this.

I hope you are not thinking of turning this into a term paper. Allow me to be a bit pedantic, please?
The only 'substance' that was not illegal in the 60's was LSD before around 1966 or so, when it got so out of hand in S.F. and L.A.
Beatniks, and regular-looking dudes in the 50's used to go across the border to Mexico and bring back pot.
The Controlled Substance Act just put more teeth into the Federal and State agencies cooperating, etc.
You could go to jail for life in Texas for possession.
The weird thing was the laws would get real tight and restrictive when some political asshole needed a crusade, and then loosen way up later on.

This Has Been Walter Cronkite with You Were There

Unless I'm mistaken and thinking of the wrong act didn't the CSA also make it significantly easier to declare a drug illegal merely by moving it's position up a schedule or two? Before then you had to restrict them individually, but now all you have to do is adjust their position on the list.

This is why I hate analogies.

You know what analogies remind me of?

Analogies.

The irony just punctured my spleen. Thanks.

I have a bad case of aibohphobia right now.

You diss my dog etc etc

Oh wait. Fuck you.

Because it brings up relevant discussions of actual events and you might learn something about the history of American drug policy?

That totally blows.

On the other hand, what is your policy on anal orgies?

I know about the history of drug policy, etc, and analogies are good a lot of the time, but most of the time they are unnecessary and people make too much of a deal about them, and try to foolow them too much. I am talking about really involved ones, though.

This is why I'm looking forward to the end of American cultural dominance. Youse guys have been a vomity pop-culture headache for decades now.

It's not so much the early 90s as it was the late 80s. It just carried over a bit. Sort of like how the early 80s also had a lot of late 70s carryover.

This, however, was distinctively early 90s and not at all 80s. HyperColor was clearly influenced by the late 80s neon craze, but it was definitely early 90s.

I never hear people talk about those shirt with the holograms on them though. I remember those from elementary and middle school.

Ugh, I hated those damn shirts.

I fully disagree. The early 90's were awesome for the following reasons:

-People ending their sarcastic comments with "...NOT!"
-MTV still playing music videos, some of them actually good.
-Beavis & Butthead
-Kids still listening to loud and angry music that could actually scare their parents, rather than cutesy tongue-in-cheek bullshit.

Granted, I only caught the tail end, but still.

not, ot ...syke!

I don't know. I caught the full force of the early '90s and I remember it as a time of great horror. It was one of those weird points in history during which almost everything sucked. It might have had to do with the fact that at that time I was changing from a cute little boy into a smelly ogre. But the pop music was exceptionally bad, too. And fashion was at an all time low.

You needed to be listening to something other than pop music....early 90s has some great music.
Looking back it was a great time to not be part of the popular crowd, you had options. Of course at the time we thought it sucked.

Ever notice that 'rock' stations still play a ton of songs from the 90s? There is a reason for that.
Not to mention some of the most influential rap albums of all time came out around that time too.

You missed out if you were just listening to pop.

Late 80s were good too, I can't get enough of Faith No More's The Real Thing and it came out in 89.

That has been true at every time since the 1960s. That was the last time that pop was acceptable and relevant. I mean, OK, pop in the 80s was either terrible or great depending on your degree of nostalgia and having to suffer through it as an adult, but the alternative scene at that time was just amazing. It still hasn't received quite enough recognition.

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You missed out if you were just listening to pop.

Dude, I was, like, twelve. Punk rock hadn't changed my life yet.

But for what it's worth, I now realize that there were some good things happening then. Pavement and A Tribe Called Quest are the first things that spring to mind. But that didn't do me much good as a preteen in the rural Midwest. I couldn't exactly run down to the old general store and pick up a copy of Low End Theory.

Well yea, pop was always terrible. What I meant was that the heavy music, the stuff that the deviant degenerate kids listened to was Metallica and Suicidal Tendencies. That was shortly before everything went to shit with nu-metal in the mid-90's, and now that place in music is occupied by crap like Avenged Sevenfold and Atreyu.

Aren't the Beatels considered pop.
Also rock too. It depends what song, but their poppy songs are really good.

That's different.

How so?

Different era of pop. It meant something else back then.

So pop was not always terrible.

As I stated the 60s were the last time that pop was still relevant. In part the Beatles changed that. They worked greater complexity into pop (and also McCartney's crass commercialism) until it wasn't really a genre that could produce much of anything. This also, of course, coincided with the greater development of rock music and its movement away from pop leaving pop a withered shell consisting largely of cheap, bland, crap.

The 80s knew how to bring some decent pop, but again, that depends on perspective. I'd say it was the last time that pop music was tolerable, but there was also a lot of really awful crap.

Nowadays it all seems to be either teeny-bopper or hip-hop influenced and pure pop veins have been long mined out. We passed Peak Pop decades ago and it's never coming back.

oh i do not rock metallica, no way.

oh man, you should check out 'Rhapsody' from italy

Do you mean Power of the Dragonflame? Or the more uplifting Dawn of Victory? Perhaps the darker material on Rain of a Thousand Flames? I could never get into their newer stuff after they changed their name to Rhapsody of Fire, but maybe I have not tried enough.

I AM SUPREME METAL NERD ON ASSETBAR HOW DARE YOU THINK I HAVE NOT HEARD OF RHAPSODY

My favorite songs are "Agony is My Name" and "Dargor, Shadowlord of the Black Mountain". For some reason, if you search for them on YouTube, you get a bunch of Naruto AMV's, which makes me kind of sad.

I'm not that familiar with the names of the albums, as they were just stored in one big folder together, and the only CDs I own are SoEL parts 1&2 ... for the latter i'm not sure what I liked more, Christopher Lee's guest appearance as the wizard king, or that rock your balls off flute shred from track 9

Agreed. We used to have things like Iron Maiden where the vocalist actually knew how to sing really damn well not just growl into an effects pedal. Where heavy metal also knew how to soar and deliver some amazing virtuosity not just a series of chugging riffs.

Modern metal has fallen to the degree that Metallica is complete crap and Dave Mustaine is a born-again Christian. More people think and care about pop-punk than actual punk.

I really liked the Misfits in high school.

My friends and I had a greeting. "Slayer."

We also had our own way of saying goodbye.

1- "Danzig Rules."
2- "Maiden Forever!"

also

1- "Peace Sells."
2- "But who's buying?"

It's still true.

I feel like I got the best part of the 90s. I was in junior high from 1993 through 1996, and I was in high school from 1997 through 2000.

Being thirteen (plus sign) listening to The Real McCoy, Stone Temple Pilots, and Tupac Shakur in one sitting (equals sign) the best years of my life.

I'm a year older than you and I would never have included any of those bands in something I would describe as the best years of my life.

If anything I'm only more recently realizing how I missed out on Pavement, Mission of Burma, Failure, Hum, Dinosaur Jr. and so many, many other great bands. The terrible modern scene is just an excuse to learn more about the greatness of the past.

I do not appreciate any of those bands now. (I mean, I might keep an STP song on the radio, if there's nothing else on, but they're not at the tippity top of my list.)

It's the fact that they're all so different from each other and still all so awkward that makes me happy to look back upon it.

Because it was just so goddamn ridiculous.

Eh, I often don't appreciate those sorts of things if they're really popular at the time. It takes a while for me to be able to enjoy them and see them outside of the media saturation. It's not some sort of "I can't like that because it's popular" so much as it's just so omnipresent that I tune it out and don't really give it a chance.

I only bought "Ten" last year. Oddly, after many years of wondering why the hell I did so only a few years ago I discovered that Soul Asylum, in particular Grave Dancer's Union, actually was pretty good. I guess I just assumed that since I bought it when it came out and I was a lot younger then that I just didn't have any ability to judge that it sucked. I was wrong it appears. It's not great, but it's still better than I gave myself credit for.

I have actually listened to Ten for periods of up to 72 hours. I think I'm abnormal.

You aren't normal, but that is what makes you interesting.

No. Ten is one of the better albums of life, in my opinion.

I could probably listen to Porch on repeat for at least the rest of today.

Agreed. I have listened to better albums than Ten , a great many, in fact, but it still remains one of my favorites. There is no replacement for the time in my teens spent in my basement bedroom, reading The Stand and The Dark Tower and listening to Ten and Dark Side of the Moon . Music only be that formative for a little while in your life.

I had a girlfriend who loved PJ so much it made me kind of like Ten. Now I still do. But probably because I still kind of want said ex-girlfriend. The day I stop likin' it will be the day I put out that light. Hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo (in the style of Eddie Vedder).

I should not have brought up Pearl Jam. I forgot about the level of obsession that fans can bring to the table there.

Hey, I like Pearl Jam! I prefer Vitalogy, though. Corduroy is a song of such concentrated brilliance that it scorches retinae at 500 feet.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Pearl Jam, just that they have fans that tend to become very obsessed fans. Nothing is wrong with that, but it becomes a bit of an issue at times.

Beavis and Butthead was terrible. Now, Aeon Flux.... Liquid Television, aside from B&B was generally, well, it wasn't great, but it had flashes of brilliance that made it great enough.

Damn! I forgot all about Liquid Television! I thought that was the coolest shit in the world back then! But no, never B&B. I still can't understand what people see in Mike Judge's animated work.

Even though I am out of lames, I am going to keep clicking on the lame button until either I magically get more or I pass out and can no longer see your ridiculous opinions about Beavis & Butthead.

Thankfully I still had some lames left. Your incorrect opinion that Beavis and Butthead was even remotely tolerable will soon be removed.


Was there some subtle nuance that I missed in that show? If so, fine. But you realize that, on the surface, it was nothing more than terrible drawings and the same joke over and over and over.

Are you basically one of those people who were like "omg, it's so stupid, it's just a bunch of immature third-grade jokes"? Because that was precisely the point! When Mr. Anderson says something that could obviously be interpreted sexually, you're not laughing at it directly in the way that Beavis & Butthead are, you're laughing at it in the sense of how obvious it is and you know exactly how they're going to react. It's hard to explain, but it could be put in the same category of "intentionally terrible" as Tim & Eric, or most of Adult Swim.

I can understand that. It's just that the show ran for a pretty long time and it didn't seem to go very far beyond that type of humor. That, and I can't stand the look of his art.

I don't know - somehow it was just never a question in my mind as to whether or not I liked it. It was obvious from the get-go. Some things just rub you the wrong way.

Some things fail to rub you at all, and when you ask them why they just shake their head at you.

Truly, it is better to be rubbed the wrong way than not to be rubbed at all.

"I don't like stuff that sucks." - Butthead

Beavis and Butthead was a zen koan of blissful stupidity. It challenged a complex world-view by presenting it as seen through the lizard brains of the anti-heroes, who really only wanted nachos, boobs, and MTV. And even these two idiots were smugly superior to most of the videos on MTV.

Man, I would love a Beavis and Butthead running commentary on most of the MTV programming today. "She's a spoiled whore. Huh-huh-huh-huh!" "Yeah! Yeah! Whores rock! heeheeheehee!"

Scratch what I said above. Paperboy is my #1 favorite assetbar poster.

I used to use that same quote as a quick encapsulation of why the show was brilliant.

That's what he said.

Oh I get it! Kids are stupid! So subversive! But in a Bil Keane kinda way!

No, not just 'kids are stupid', but I think we all laughed at how happy the kids were to be stupid and their small victories in spite of their crippling stupidity. Kind of like how it's not just funny that Philippe is naive, but we laugh at the little naive world he lives in. Yes, I am over analyzing this. No, I don't know how to dots over the 'i'. The show was definitely polarizing (my roommate's girlfriend almost broke up with him because he couldn't stop laughing at the poodle in the dryer ( set it on delicate )), but Beavis and Butthead was brilliant.

no don't you do it DONT YOU DO IT

it is not at ALL like Tim and Eric or Adult Swim. Beavis and Butthead kept the fourth wall intact. they didn't try to be all clever and painfully self aware like some self-fellating douchebags. irony and detachment are a goddamn plague on the new millennium.

Yeah, as long as we're breaking down the B&B, I'm with you. I don't think the show was trying for a "check out how stupid this show is" vibe. The only meta thing I took away from B&B was how they pointed out the awfulness of a lot of MTV videos while they were on MTV.

yea but they pointed out their own stupidity at the same time by saying things like "this video sucks" and then 5 seconds later saying "whoa, that was cool" at like, some chick eating cake or something similarly mundane. B&B was not just about how life is stupid, but how life is absurd. it managed to take an uninteresting and poorly made video and spin it in such a way that the video began to look strange and alluring. that was some avant-garde shit.

but it was non-meta because the boys were unaware of their stupidity/absurdity.

Yea you're right. I guess you could say that the show was only one level of meta, in that its implied narrative voice was aware of the characters' stupidity, and expected you to be as well, whereas the other stuff is at least doubly meta, since the narrator AND the characters are self-aware.

OK, I get where you guys were going with this and I respectfully disagree. Now can we move on to discussing why the fuck Sifl and Ollie isn't on the air? What kind of crap shows do they think is somehow better than that? It had fucking SOCK PUPPETS!!!

Well, I guess all of this pretty much answers the subtle nuance question. That's cool. But I won't be moved. I've seen enough it to know pretty well how I feel about it.

I heard a rumor that the show was originally made as a way to make fun of stoners. But then, much to the creator's surprise, it became a favorite of stoners. So he just sucked it up, and kept making it as a show for stoners to watch.

This is all rumor, of course. I have no actual knowledge of the thinking behind the show.

I never connected with it. I have probably seen less than an hour total of the show.

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irony and detachment are a goddamn plague on the new millennium.


A-fucking-men.

I liked Tom Goes to the Mayor, but B&B? I'm with Rowboat on this.

i'm trying to remember... was 'The MAXX' on liquid television?

No, that was separate.

And awesome.

Now name something that didn't have to do with music.

Besides "Not!" which was admittedly the best.

The... Saterday morning cartoon version of Batman was pretty sweet?

Gargoyles? I guess was pretty rad... Commander Keen? Starcraft came out in the 90's right?

Shit I used to play Commander Keen all the time, that game was crazy hard. Or I was seven and not very good at video gamse.

No, definitely crazy hard... a friend sent me a whole .zip file of all the old commander keen games a few months ago, and I still found them incredibly difficult.

Or I was 20 and not very good at video games.

I think kids these days generally suck at video games, with the exception of the ones who are hardcore into PvP games like Starcraft or Soul Calibur. They literally have no idea what it's like to have to memorize every inch of a game and run through it hundreds of times before you even get to the last level, all in one go without saving.

It kind of scares me, but I find myself becoming more like this as time goes on. I have a bunch of old games on my emulator, but the temptation to use save states is just too great. And when I do try running through a Mega Man X game without them, it's a total disaster. I'm actually getting to the point where I cannot remember how I used to play games like this without throwing the controller and quitting.

I beat MegamanX the other night, it was really fucking hard without the chest armor. Rather, Sigma was. I died three fucking times! THREE GODDAMN TIMES CAN YOU BELIEVE I SUCKED THAT BAD!!!

Maybe I need to Youtube a video of me kicking that games ass.

THREE FUCKING GODDAMN TIMES.

I was playing Gun last night and died like 5 times.

I have it on SNES and I still can't beat Sigma's second form.

rolling shield man, hella sub tanks and chest armor. just avoid the hand lightning and... I don't know. it is hard.

Because you couldn't. I remember I once wrote a story about a kid playing Mario and in the end the NES somehow turns off and he has to start over. That was always my greatest fear. When my friends had N64s and original PSs, I would be Super Marioing until my mom called me for dinner, no saves.

That was why we had warp whistles and such, because if you wanted to play Giant Island you only had to get to BoomBoom's lair.

Batman: The Animated Series was on in the afternoons and it was so sweet that it significantly impacted the comics and was responsible for the creation and renewed interest in a number of characters.

The X-Men cartoon (which actually was on on Saturdays) was also pretty awesome and while it strayed was fairly accurate in terms of characterization and canon.

Why did Saturday morning cartoons go away? I don't ever see them on anymore.

Way back in the way back, say 1967, cartoons were only aired on Saturday mornings.

Aside from a few kiddie shows on the weekday afternoons that might show two or three shorts left over from the times when you always saw a cartoon at the movies.

Later on, in the 70s or so, cartoons started airing on Sundays as well. With the advent of cable TV, cartoons started to be available in multiple locations at all times of the day.

The ubiquity of cartoons made the Saturday morning thing far less meaningful. Also, in the 80s, cartoons as unending commercials for toys became the rule, especially on Saturday mornings.

So commercialism and cable TV ruined the underlying premise of Saturday morning cartoons. They are still around as far as I know, but the environment in which they exist has changed beyond recognition, and they are just no longer important.

Toonami.

True, but growing up and on into... hmm... early 90's at least, they still existed. I remember each Fall when the new season of Saturday cartoons would come out on each channel and it was a big thing. It only seems like in the late 90's or early 00's that they've gone away.

I do recall back in '01 or so they started re-airing the old Dungeons and Dragons show and ABC Family was showing the old X-Men show for a while around '04 or so.

I remember growing up that Dungeons and Dragons coming on meant that the morning block was ending and it was time for afternoon. It was not particularly good. I also remember that if you got up too early you had to watch fucking Romper Room because it came on before the good cartoon block started and it was total shit.

No fucking way. You were born in the 80s and you remember Romper Room???

"Do be a do bee, don't be a don't bee"????

NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, that show was Old School back in the 60s when I watched it.

Cor-fucking-nelius remembers that show from when he was a kid.

Holy shit!

Yeah, it was on at, like, 6 AM or something. Watching Romper Room was a punishment for waking up too early. According to Wikipedia it ran from 1953-1994.

I also have nostalgic memories of Schoolhouse Rock which still ran during the early parts of my childhood.

The Polka Dot Door... let's go through, the Polka Dot Door!

The New Zoo Revue... comin' right at youuu

(you will now be singing this all night.)

Man, we had Saturday morning toons with the old Cartoon Network, when they only showed the old school shit, like Banana Splits and Scooby Doo Where Are You? and all the crappy but oh so good Hanna-Barberas like Top Cat and Snagglepuss and Penelope Pitstop and Droopy Dog and Wacky Racers.

Droopy Dog was great. Top Cat was the tops. Fuck the rest of it, seriously it sucked so bad.

Well sure, but I was a kid, we all were. We did things we regretted, we ate things we shouldn't have, we said cusses we didn't know were cusses. Regret was made for childhood. And most of life but mostly childhood.

I can no longer appreciate Droopy after watching Lieberman's speech at the RNC.

Fuck you Zapatos, Jabberjaw fucking MURDERED. Love that shit.

He didn't mention Jabberjaw, I was only talking about the shows he mentioned. Also Jabberjaw sucked.

Jabberjaw was a staple of the saturday morning Cartoon Network old school block.

Also up yours wife.

Cartoon Network didn't start until well after I was no longer young enough to be watching it in such a manner.

Now, Pinwheel? You Can't Do That On Television? Danger Mouse/Count Duckula? We are going to have to go back and talk about Nickelodeon when it was still watchable.

Old school Nickelodeon was fucking AMAZING in the 90s. What happened?

Oh yeah, nicktoons.

Also those terrible sketch shows and other stuff. I'd say that after Clarissa Explains It All went off the air the era of Nick being good or even decent was over.

All That was kick ass though. The Amanda Show sucked the cock though.

I was just talking about All That at work today! And Roundhouse, does anyone remember that?

Whenever my life gets me so down
I know I can go down
To where the music and the fun never ends
As long as that music keeps playing
You know what I'm saying
I know that I can find a friend
Down at the Roundhouse!


Fuck yeah.

All That was horrible. It was an affront to the very concept of taste. That is the period where it started becoming the worst thing ever that I am talking about. The whole Snick thing.

I liked it, and I would like her to suck my cock.

Whatever man.

i had such a crush on her until recently.

lies, i still think she is a babe.

This is because it is true.

Her cheeks are weird and she plays idiot heads in her horrible films and shows.

Case in point: Chalkzone.
Possible hope for the future: spongebob.
I don't watch it, but I feel that it is the only show on Nick that is even vaguely similar to the shows we watched as kids.

Chalkzone was kick ass though. It all died when Spongebob came on the scene, sorry.

Chalkzone was terrible though.

Whaaaaaa Chalkzone was the worst thing ever. RUDY TABOOTI FUCK YOU

Are you saying "Hey Arnold" and "Rocko's Modern Life" and others of the ilk are BAD?

Hey Arnold is still good, that kid has a head on his shoulders.

A football-shaped one. Incidentally, my friend once asked me if my childhood was anything like "Hey Arnold" and after consideration I concluded it was exactly like "Hey Arnold."

I said that it all went downhill with Spongebob, that's when Nick stopped doing live action programming that didn't suck.

Those shows were really good. Rocko especially, it still holds up all these years later.

Rocko was also self-referential. It was too good for Nick. It was clearly aimed more at adults.

It was implied when I mentioned all the other and it may have sucked but it's what we watched. WEREN'T YOU EVER A KID?

Banana Splits? Penelope Pitstop?

You have a good memory, I guess.

I remember Two Stupid Dogs.

I hated 2SD, but I watched it religiously.

...hmm I hate my religion too.

The poor man's "Ren and Stimpy." Loved that show.

WTF Penelope Pitstop? The Perils of Penelope Pitstop???

That is late 60s early 70s stuff. Weren't you born in like 1989??

Yes. That's what I'm saying, old school (relatively old school) Cartoon Network was the SHIT. I'm talking "The Pink Panther," "Magilla Gorilla," "Secret Squirrel," "Atom Ant," and all the Scooby wannabe's ("Speed Buggy," and the one with the ghost that was all "Heavens to murgatroyd!")

That was the one with the pink cat that wasn't the pink panther, not a ghost.

What was that Anna Anaconda show. That was weird.

No, that was Snagglepuss but another cartoon had a ghost with that same voice.

Secret Squirrel was great. Even the new version was pretty damn good.

Also don't forget Tennessee Tuxedo which had Don Fucking Adams in it.

Secret Squirrel and Morocco Mole. Always an adventure.

But that makes sense. It would be weirder if it came out in '89 and he was born earlier. Older stuff sticks around.

Your childhood also informed our own childhood.

Okay, I'm not American and until a few years ago I was restricted to five channels, so I might not be fully informed, here... But Recess was the best show that I ever had the fortune to grow up with. How come it hasn't been mentioned. For shame.

Top Cat was also excellent. Represent.

That reminds me, who remembers that dumbass Ranger guy who used to be the Fox Kids mascot? And he had a stupid show that came on Saturday mornings before the cartoons started?

Super Mario World.

Closer.

MST3K and Kids in the Hall. I'm not sure which, but one of them was the best television show of the decade.

Yeah but the '00s has some good shit too. For every good 90s show, there's one from the 80s, 70s, 60s, and 00s. 50s, meh. I'm talking like some kind of trivial device or something that was actually awesome.

We can't appreciate it until late into the next decade. That is the way.

I say MST3K , but in the Joel days, not in the Mike days.
Not that the Mike days weren't good, but I think that Kids in the Hall beat Mike MST3K easily.

Well come on, it's just a fact. Joel had "Manos;" you can't come back from that, as Mike.

There is no beating the Hands of Fate.

Oh yeah. The Joel days are a given. Mike was decent, but the show lost a step or two in the transition.

But here's the weird thing about that; when Joel was acting on the show, Mike was writing most of it. Then when Mike took over the acting, Joel took Mike's place on the writing side. It confuses things a little.

I think both Joel and Mike had flashes of supreme brilliance, but Joel's deadpan was better equipped to carry through the low joke areas.

My Favorites:
- Fugitive Alien II (Electric Boogaloo, tried to kill him with a forklift, etc.)
- Girls Town (Non-stop riot. Makes my face hurt. Has Mel Torme!)
- Manos, Hands of Fate (though I can't watch it, because it's sooo horrible)
- [Short] "Snow Thrills" - Quote: [Narrarator:]They are shee-ing. And yes, that's how it's pronounced. [Servo:] Yeah, well I think you're full of SKIT!

Oh damn, wait, what's the one with the space ship and the telepathic alien women and the "high speed" chase on zambonis or snowmobiles? That one was great. And have you ever tried watching Manos without the witty banter? It's so awkward, I can't do it without providing my own banter with friends.

Bah; say what you will about the Sci-Fi Channel era episodes (they sucked, for the most part), but I still argue that season 6 and the very short season 7, the last two seasons on Comedy Central, and the first two full seasons with Mike at the head of the cast, were probably the two best seasons. And this is someone who for a while thought that the seasons 2-5 were the best, but I've found that, over time, I prefer watching season 6 & 7 eps.

Rowboat, you're a little misinformed about the "head writer" role on the show: it didn't mean you wrote most of the jokes, it was a little less glorious: Mike's job as head writer was to sit on the computer during the riff sessions and take down the best stuff being thrown out there. He may have had a bigger influence on it than the other writers, but he wasn't coming up with all the jokes. Joel, Mike, Trace, Kevin, Frank, Mary Jo, Paul, Jim...all the cast members were writers, and at varying times, there were 1 or 2 non onscreen talent helping out.

If Joel had Manos, then Mike had the whole fucking Coleman Francis trilogy, all in season 6 (Red Zone Cuba, Beast of Yucca Flats, and The Skydivers). Manos is a train wreck, yeah, but, really, it's not that great of an episode; the cast themselves seem kind of stunned by oddity of the movie, and there's a lot of stretches with few or weak jokes; once you've seen it a few times, the novely wears off.

If you haven't seen Skydivers, a movie that continues to amaze me in its ineptness (and it's the best of the Francis trilogy!) and really inspired the cast with how horrible it is, you're missing out.

That's a good point about Joel's deadpan, hamscout, but I also find that the low joke areas in the Joel eps are actually worse to sit through than the earlier Mike eps, when his general affability kept the mood up a little during the slow times.

holy christ I haven't even watched an episode of this show in 4 or 5 years why am I geeking out so hard.

I'm actually glad you called me on that, fos. I thought I was probably going out on a limb, what with not having researched it thoroughly, and all. It is true that I don't know what a head writer is. Still, though, Joel has my vote for the on-screen side of things.

Also, I can't believe that no one has mentioned Mitchell. Might be my favorite.

It's a common misconception; I always figured that "head writer" meant he wrote most of the jokes as well, with others chipping in, until I read about it in the Amazing Colossal Episode Guide. If you haven't gotten that yet, you should; I think it's still in print, actually. It's really damn funny, as it's written by the show's writers/performers (and a lot more than just an episode guide).

Actually, it may have been reading the ACEG that led me to thinking that Mike, at least in his first few years, was just as good as, maybe better than, Joel. Mike was really fucking funny, and his writing in the book was probably the best, overall.

I don't even want to get into the Joel vs. Mike argument (banned on the old MST3K forums on AOL and Prodigy that I used to frequent back in the 90's, ha). I like them both a lot, and the overall feel of the show was best with Joel, but I've come to realize that most of the 10 or so episodes I used to watch ad nauseum were Mike ep's from seasons 6 & 7.

Also, I'm repeating again that Manos is not the worst film they've done; like they say in the ep guide, it's probably Monster-A-Go-Go.

I was cleaning out my closet this past weekend, and I came across a box of VHS tapes with 50-some hours of MST3K on them. ...and I have no VCR...

Nooooooooooooooooooo!
I had all the time in the world!!

I gave them away to a friend to corrupt her children. *the cycle is complete*

"Keep circulating the tapes."

(Our Show Could Be Your Life.)

I work at Goodwill! We have six VCRs for sale at this second! I would have mailed you one.

thegoodwillgirl : your source for all your outdated electronic needs.

Interesting. I did not know you actually worked at Goodwill. I thought it was just a statement of general positive feelings for all.

Thank you for supporting thegoodwillgirl's mission!

Oh no, I have very little goodwill for mankind.

Excellent.

How about vintage stereo equipment? Have you any of that for mankind? Ah, one man, in particular..

We generally have very much vintage stereo equipment. What is it you desire, kind sir?

Oh my. Oh my!
What have you of vintage Speakers?
Say their brands, and it's music playing....
Say it soft and it's almost like praying...
vintage speakers....

damn it I cannot hear this my residence room is too small for good equipment

aghhh

Ain't got no speakers
Ain't got no headphones
Ain't got no records to play

Ain't got no deejay

I am a DJ, I am what I play

Well, we are at war.

And you ought to know not to stand by the window.

Someday see you up there.

Somebody.

I saw "Beast of Yucca Flats" and have to agree with the Manos claim. So yes, Mike wasn't the worst. He also had that one with the girl with the go-go boots or whatever, which was pretty awesome.

KitH was late eighties, dude.

Having been around in every decade since the '50s, although I was just a kid then and didn't get to be a beatnik of race tricked out cars while combing my greasy hair, I'd say that since the invention of the transistor radio, everything has been rockin' right along, and each generation picks up the beat. It's a permanent revolution where youth ingores convention, only to become conventional.

The transistor came around only after the music had started to become popular, though.

I don't know what my point is.

The transistor radio made music portable, and the kids haven't been home since.

Ain't no radio with no tubes go snuck into anyone's bed, laying awake all night listening to WLS.

All cranking a Victrola, blasting some old-school Scott Joplin, none of that sell-out "Maple Leaf" shit..

Please Pogo, regale us with stories of the Sixties. As a man who respects Barry Lyndon you have my undivided attention.

Yeah, Pogo, pony up. Show 'em what ya got.

I'll drop a few '60s stories here and there, but I don't want to bore those who think of it as the Stone Age (pun intended).

The Who?

^5

Stoned like drugs!

In the 60s pogo smoked marajuana like a cigarette!

If you bore someone that person is not deserving of listening to you.

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It's a permanent revolution where youth ingores convention, only to become conventional.


I approve this typo. Turn the Bulls LOOSE!

'88 to '94.

Dude.

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MST3K and Kids in the Hall. I'm not sure which, but one of them was the best television show of the decade.

They were among the top 10 best TV shows ever .

Definitely. Pretty high on that list, too.

I'll go ahead and say top five for both. Those shows changed the way I laugh at shit, and that's huge.

three life moons

Or Parker Lewis, or Blossom, or anything with Scott Baio

I remember liking "Parker Lewis Can't Lose" when it was on originally, but have never seen it in re-runs. Perhaps there's a reason for that.

Hmm... I seem to recall it trying to be a sort of TV version of Ferris Bueller, but not quite succeeding at that while still being amusing. I also now recall that on the first episode he demonstrates how annoying his brother's car alarm is by setting it off with a basketball. How little we knew then what it foretold for the future.


It was a TV series.

I have zero recollection of this.

I never saw it either. Ran across it in Wikipedia.

Wow... this is just totally blowing my mind right now. Brainstem all down it's throat, tongue sliding slowly along the corpus callosum....

The funny thing is that the Parker Lewis rip-off of Ferris Bueller was much better than the actual Ferris Bueller T.V. series. The only funny thing on the latter was when the T.V. Ferris Bueller (Charlie Schlatter) took a chainsaw to a cardboard cutout of Matthew Broderick's Ferris Bueller in the first couple of minutes of the Ferris Bueller pilot. The rest was terrible.

Why do I remember this?

i wonder why.

I had a buzzcut in the summer and a bowl cut in the winter because I tended to sweat.

I looked fucking radical. Tubular, even.

We would have probably been best friends

I never got hair cuts, and the other boys would throw rocks at me and my beautiful black locks.

I was exactly like a nineteenth century boy.

Doubtful. Back then, men were men, and girls were icky. And you could buy a coca-cola for one dollar, none of this "buck forty-nine" business. And Animaniacs was on every day, and film quality was kind of hit or miss on videocassettes as a general rule.

Truly it was America's finest hour.

Remember when pausing a tape resulted in a shaky image with a white fuzzy band across the middle? Good times.

A dollar? That was late 90s. I grew up buying cans for 50 cents. It wasn't til '96-97 or so that it all started moving to bottles for $1 or cans for 75 cents.

hell, I remember seeing gas for under a buck

That wasn't that long ago. I last remember it being that way in 2002. Before you-know-who invaded you-know-where.

man, that comment make so much sense in context with your avatar.

I fucking love that episode of prof. brothers

Yeah, I bought gas for about 60 cents or so back in the late 90s.

Not in the U.S. you didn't.

Actually, yeah, I did. I mean it went between around 60 to 80 cents, but it wasn't that big of a problem.

Actually, I have all of my receipts for all purchases I've made going back to Fall '99. I'll look up what I was paying then and report back.

Ayeesh. He's looking up 10 year old receipts. What have I done?

Tangled with the sort of man who keeps every single receipt in a file and doesn't just throw them out either. If I buy a BART ticket for $2.75 with my debit card I will dutifully save the receipt and file it for the future.

Well, I don't know about 60 to 80, but they're saying here it was under a dollar in '99.
https://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12400801/

A dime.

A fucking dime.

Plus the bottle deposit.

I miss those bottles. Watched a movie a few weeks back- Willem Dafoe's 1st starring role. Kathryn Bigelow's "The Loveless." Absolutely crap story, going all out for style. Harleys. Leather. Bad acting. Very bad acting. All hoisting those coke bottles in the hot Georgia sun.

I had a geometric haircut. One could say I looked fly. Octagonal even.

But I joke. In all seriousness, around 1990 I had dreadlocks. I was a white Rastafarian baby. My white hippy parents were all about Jah at that time. That seems a bit off. I like their Buddhist direction now. Although you shouldn't get me wrong. It was awesome to grow up learning about Trenchtown and obeah.

You...you grew up with dreadlocks learning and singing about obeah and Trenchtown?

Surely That is that saddest thing.

I actually really dig it. Although I don't prescribe to Jamaican mysticism and Rastari, they are hell of interesting. I especially appreciate the idea that ganja is a spiritual enhancer.

Lord have mercy!

I have been told by my friend who sails around the Caribbean from time to time that Jamaicans are basically the dicks of the islands. My friend likes the Cuban people much more.
I can get into Marley tunes on certain days, but I would be very careful of using ganja and spiritual in de same sentence, mon.
Dat is all de editorializing I be do heah, and dat too much.

Pass the 'erb, Rastaman. Then write a song that contains:
Zion
Babylon
Natty Dreadlocks
Selasie
... and lots more ganja references.

There's more ganja references?

I weel seeng me some song mon
About de Bob Jah mon
dey cut off hees right leg
It was a great Con-Spee-ra-cee
Yes dey cut off hees leg, oh no
Eet was de great Hee-po-cri-cee
But they could not keep de mon down.
Dey could not keep from bein free-

He steel keep jugglin soccer ball
mon- oh-oh!
He joggle eet weeth one leg-

Den dey cot off de other leg-
Oh no-oh.
He say eet was a flesh woond
Oh,oh,oh FREEDOM!

etc,etc.

We have family friends from Jamaica and as Ishmael tells me, they don't like white folks very much. Or foreigners. Or government for that matter.

Or gay people.

Jamaicans seem to have much in common with your average redneck. Just substitute Coors for kaya.

True, that. In Jamaica, Bob is a god. In the south, it's a hyphenated first-name.

The desk clerks like selling cocaine.

Careful using ganja

Always.

Be careful that you do not burn your mother's basement couch?

(That is not nice of me!)

My mother does not have now, nor has she ever had, a basement.

However, in the 70s, we lived at the lake, and I had to be careful in the woods behind my house, so that I didn't burn them down.

Those damn matchstick forests.

This is why I rarely camp out at Duraflame National Forest.

the Nineties: home of the Rat-tail

Long Island, 2002: the odd brief revival, or rather, its continued resistance to fashion.

Seriously, when I moved out here, there was a good 20 kids in my new middle school that had rat-tails. I was pretty sure from that moment on that I was going to hate everyone.

I'm afraid that I'm quite guilty of rocking the rat tail between the ages of 6 and 12

I share your shame in this case, setzkin. My brothers and I, we rocked it so hard.

I recently saw a picture of my 4th grade crush and was horrified to see a rat-tail present on his blonde head. Somehow my subconscious had blocked out that memory. I'm sorry, world.

You have a crush on a fourth grader?

heh heh heh.

Tekende... my parents know about us.

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Yours was colouring outside the lines.

Says the twenty-three-year-old to the twenty-one-year-old.

No kidding.

The man who was 2 years older said.

Damn, beat to it. Long thread.

You're feelin' me. Sadly, we're so far away that all this means nothing.

So close and yet... and yet ...

At least, that's what sje46's parents say.

It's amazing how we talk about the 90's like my generation talks about the 80's.

As if it didn't just happen.

1990 is getting close to twenty years ago, soon. within a year of two, people born post 1990 will be old enough to smoke/buy lottery tickets/join a branch of the military/get laid

I grew up in the 90s and it still feels fresh. I think, perhaps, you and I are still too young to have a relatively objective view of that time, considering we are still very young.

Nirvana has become classic rock


.... hold me

Of course it is classic rock. I fail to see what the problem is.

Grunge rock is still a genre of it's own. Classic rock simply encompasses rock that isn't played on the pop radio any more.

Right. And psychedelic rock is classic rock too. Nirvana isn't played on pop radio anymore, same with Beatles and Zeppelin and that Feed Your Head band Jefferson somethingorother.

Airplane, then Starship. Grace Slick is a goddess!

Pogo, you should've listed the full progression of names:

Jefferson Airplane

Jefferson Starship

Starship

Starship Starring Mickey Thomas

Starship Starring Mickey Thomas & the Ft. Lauderdale Dinner Theater

Starship Starring Mickey Thomas Drunk In His Motel 6 With A "Seasoned" Fan Who Might Be Deranged and Violent

Starship Starring Mickey Thomas and Fuck You Grace Slick Who Thinks She's Too Good To Record A New Track For A "Best Of" Compilation Because She Said That "We Built This City" Was A "Hack" Song But It Paid For Your Pool House, You Vodka-Guzzling Pseudo-Hippie

Starship Starring Mickey Thomas & Sorry Grace, Things Have Been Tough Lately And I've Been Drinking A Bit More Than I Should, What With the Adult Onset Diabetes And Grandkids I Don't See As Much As I Should, So The Vodka Comment Is A Bit Of Projection On My Part, Though I'm Sure You Figured That Out On Your Own Because You've Always Been Pretty Sharp And Good With Your Money

This is important historical information for the youth of today.

I almost saw...um...the last iteration of Starship you mentioned in Long Beach Island, NJ in 2006 at a venue called the "Quarterdeck Inn Restaurant". Show canceled, unfortunately...then again, I can think of very few bands that I'm somewhat confused on whether or not cancellation that was a good thing.

I hate We Built This City.

Some site says it is the worst song ever made, and they made someone listen to it for 24 hours straight, or something. I would quite possibly stab my eardrums with a number 2 pencil. If that doesn't deafen me, if will at least give me lead poisoning, which will dumben me enough to the point where I can actually enjoy the song.

I think the marking portion of a pencil is now mostly graphite, but I agree with the general idea. But declaring WBTC as the worst song ever made opens us right up for a discussion of the worst song ever. I would nominate:

1) "Nookie" by Limp Bizkit (with Fred Durst also nominated to be among the first non-mass-murdering humans to be launched into the Sun).

2) Some vaguely R&B-flavored song from a couple of years back with the word "suicide" in the chorus. (I can't find it online). I don't know what it's called, but it really sounded as if it were written for the retarded. And poor, poor, retarded people. What did they ever do to deserve such a song?

3) "Imagine" by John Lennon. I know, I know, loads of people like this song to the point that it has become some sort of modern hymn (heh). But I think it's insipid and inane (these are words with an "i" this time). Note dear Assetbaristas and Assetbarbarians, that I don't think *you* are insipid and inane for liking it. I've made peace with being in my own small unconnected circle on the Venn diagram on this one.

I'm not sure pencils were ever actually made with lead, people just didn't know what graphite was.


I'd like to nominate something by Oasis, but they've spewed so much shit in the last decade that it's very difficult to select just one song.

The paint used to be made out of lead though. But you are right for the most part. Thanks.

the paint that goes on asphalt is still lead based, it needs to be dense.

and so delicious

I think that the song "How Bizarre" by OMC is the worst song ever recorded. I have thought so for a very long time. I will continue to think so for a very long time.

I second that motion. And OMC is my whanau.

[quote]I'm not sure pencils were ever actually made with lead[/i]
I'm sure, because I was alive then! No, really, lead was used a lot more in the past for all kinds of things, even for pipes that carried water into your home.

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Close quote with an italic! HAHAHAHAHa bloo-oohoo;bloo

Pogo got so sad that he cried a semicolon.

Cold-cocking a dude with a copper pipe (or even worse: PVC) just isn't the same. Gotta go with the classics.

Lead solder for copper plumbing was common enough into the 70's. Actual lead pipe plumbing went out long ago.

I really don't know where you'd find a lead pipe for cold-cocking and various acts of mayhem.
Definitely a specialty shop item.

Clue is a lie now!

sometimes PVC is all you have, and those damn swedes are just floating around.

Dude, I'm like, 1/8th Swedish. Don't you be going on about Sveden!

Don't be humping like a rockstar, and I wont murder you with a pvc pipe.

You haven't experienced "Imagine" until you've heard someone playing it badly on the street about a half-block down Haight from Ashbury. It can be so much worse.

The cover/mashup where Bush quotes were edited into him singing it was pretty good though.

Eff you. Nookie and Imagine are wonderful songs.

My friend, though, decided on the worst song ever. It is A Day in the Life . He likes the Beatles, but not this song. The Shaggs and The Supreme Satanists are better than this song.

I now have this mental image of a woman in her mid-fifties spotting Fred Durst at the mall and saying to him "Fred, 'Nookie' is a simply WONderful song. [at this, her eyes roll heavenward while her hands make a vaguely clapping-cum-prayerful gesture] Just like 'Imagine', by that John Lennon. Ever heard it?"

This is hilarious.

Are you...are you fucking serious? Dane Cook and Limp Bizkit? Please tell me you're not fucking serious.

thinks
I don't actually like limp bizkit. They are not a band I listen to. Actually what it is is that their music makes me nostalgic for the 90s, and I like the 90s. I like Limp Bizkit in the same way I like Genie in a Bottle.

I was not serious when I said that Limp Bizkit is a good band. I was serious about Imagine and Dane Cook.

Dane Cook is funny. Maybe not your type of humor, but he is funny.

Dane Cook is a thief. He has stolen a vast quantity of his material and is widely hated by other comedians for this. Also because he is astoundingly terrible.

He is better than Carlos Mencia tho.

I know that has nothing to do with anything, but I love talking about how much I hate Carlos.

I think he admits to taking material, and doesn't really care. I don't either. They're jokes.

I like you, achilleselbow. You and I share a great many likes and dislikes, so I like you. Have a big fat chubby, from me to you.

What? WHAT? "A Day in the Life" is one of the Beatles' best songs. Kill your friend. kill him now.

NEVERCOULDBEANYOTHERWAYNEVERCOULDBEANYOTHERWAY

He hates John's voice. He says that in this song it is like nails on a chalkboard, and even Paul sounds bad.
I think John isn't a bad singer. It really doesn't bother me. I love "Across the Universe" (the SONG, not the movie. Please don't lame me to oblivion again.) and Julia and so on.

I don't like his post-Beatles work all too much. Paul and George were the best Beatles.

We've been over this before. Ringo was the best Beatle. Paul was only interested in making a much money as possible with commercial pop songs. He was the worst Beatle.

Ringo was the best Beatle in spirit, in mind. I agree with this. He had the least ego. I liked Paul's music the best, I think, though. I don't know if he was all in it for the money, but so was John, too. He believed in no possessions, but owned a mansion. John is the hypocrit. I think if you are going by who "keeps it real", John loses the contest.

But Paul seemed like a pretty nice dude, even if it was for the money.

You have lost a not insignificant portion of respect from me. "Nookie" is one of the worst things that has ever been done by humanity. It has worsened us all as a society and tainted our entire culture until the end of time.

Scroll down.

I don't like "Imagine" either. This is because I don't like collectivism.

There is no doubt that 'Imagine' is at least a little insipid, (I am more of a George man myself), but since a Limp Bizkit song is already on the list, and therefore the band acknowleged, most any other track from their catalogue could knock it off it's third place marker.

The song is one of my favorite post Beatles Lennon song, but that is not saying much.

Good, but does not belong anywhere near the top ten list in Rolling Stone magazine.

Lennon was not with the Beatles when he recorded "Imagine." Get your history straight, son.

I am really sorta obsessed with the Beatles. I know that Imagine is not a Beatles song. That is why I used the Latin prefix "post", meaning "after". It is one of my favorite post-Beatles Lennon songs.

Get your literacy straight, dad.

Imagine there's no Beatles
It's easy if you try
No George or Ringo
Above us only the eye in the sky

I do hope lightning doesn't strike you or a bus doesn't run you down for slamming Imagine on almost the Day in History John Lennon was assassinated.

"Imagine awksedperl struck by lightning..."
lalalalala-
It's easy if you try-
lalalalala
A big old dang bolt of 100,000 volts
lalalalala
It's sure gonna make him fry...
lalalalala
Imagine All the People
Laughing at awksedperl
ooohoo-ooh yeah


Actually, Lennon was known for having a wicked sense of humor. I can't listen to his music anymore, but come Christmas I can listen to Imagine and his Happy Christmas, the War is Over.

I don't listen to his music anymore, but come Christmas I can enjoy Imagine and his Happy Christmas, the War is Over.
John Lennon did some daffy things, but he tried to make a difference. He did make a difference.

And what tekende said about "A Day in the Life"- take that to the bank. Whatever genre that song is, it transcends it. It's like Picasso doing rock.

To me, A Day in the Life is the capper to the Beatles second-best album.

Awesome awesome awesome.

Agreed.

What is the first best?

The second half of Abbey Road is the best Beatles work. The best full album is Rubber Soul. Followed by:

2. Revolver
3. Sgt. Pepper
4. Upwards of 70 percent of the White Album.
5. Let it Be
6. Please Please Me
7. With the Beatles

after that, it largely falls out canon for me. Magical Mystery Tour is not good. Best Beatles single is Strawberry Fields Forever or Twist and Shout.

Oooh . .. Yeah, Abbey Road, def.
I find it hard to say what my favorites are. I'm fond of Pepper, Let it Be, and, actually, Magical Mystery Tour. I like Magical Mystery Tour; I like the Psychedelic sound. But so much of their stuff is good.
I get revolver and rubber soul mixed up so. The one that has Tomorrow Never Knows is superior.
*googles*
Revolver.

I have something of a minority opinion that Please Please Me is the best Beatles album. Why? There is not one bad song on there. Every single one is fun and catchy and pop without being stupid.

Sure, other albums are technically better; I haven't heard many albums by any band that could beat Abbey Road for quality and genius. But Please Please Me is and probably always will be my favorite Beatles album.

I have to listen to it again to remind myself what's on there.

I've got your back on this Tekende, there is an argument to be made for Please Please Me. It all depends on what you think made the Beatles great.

If it is pop craftsmanship, then you are right. If it is experimentation with the genre, then they didn't really get started til Pepper, and didn't fully nail it til the end of Abbey Road. BUT, if you are like me and enjoy a blend of both, then Rubber Soul is your album.

Revolver is amazing, but has a bit to much self-awareness about it. Rubber Soul feels more genuine and less pretentious to me. Plus, Rubber Soul doesn't have "Yellow Submarine" on it. This is, of course, largely a matter of personal taste.

Rubber Soul is indeed excellent. Probably my third favorite ( Abbey Road being second).

Guys, I can't stop thinking about what a great song You Never Give Me Your Money is.

Abbey Road

Magical Mystery Tour.

Even now, in the 21st century, I am entranced by its relentless weirdness. Much less when it came out in 1967. Yes, that was the Summer of Love and all, but even in that context MMT is weird and paradigm-shattering.

Also, The Fool on the Hill is one of the greatest songs ever. Top 100 all time, easily.

Fool on the Hill is divine, and so is Baby You're a Rich Man.

I am talking about the LP, of course. It has All You Need is Love, Penny Lane, Strawberry Fields, and Walrus.

Gotta go with Revolver.

Yes.

guys I have a confession and this is the best place to make it: I don't like the Beatles that much.

It took me a little while to realize them, too. I mean, everyone around you throughout your entire young life is just going nuts about them all time. It gets annoying. It's natural to rebel. I didn't get past all the bullshit and become a real fan until my late twenties.

I'm in the same, err... boat.

Oh yeah. What he said.

Noooooooo

Sorry buddy, but all good things must end...

We won't hold it against you. *snicker*

Really, we still hold you in the highest esteem. *sinker cough snicker*

Sometimes people don't like the Beatles.

I think I was 23 before I learned that the Beatles had songs beyond I Wanna Hold Your Hand and Yesterday though, so I will still give you some time.


I shall require the confirmation of one of the older denizens for this, but wasn't the Summer of Love more a creation of the media? The point in time when they noticed that something was going on in the culture and suddenly decided to jump all over it and proclaim it to be the next big thing, but after it had already peaked? The point where the mainstream crashed the party and started commercializing it and ruining it?

Today the Haight is astoundingly gentrified and very popular for shopping. Much of it is fairly pricey, but in that very trendy sort of boho hipster manner. People complain a lot about property values and own some very nice and expensive homes with their BMWs and oh-so-trendy Minis parked out front.

Then again I hope to be signing the lease on a place just a block north of the Panhandle on Friday. It's nicer and cheaper than the place we live now. Then again I have long hair, a scraggly beard, I wear Birkenstocks and an old fatigue shirt much of the time and I haven't had a job in years. I'm a pacifist and I recently discovered that despite my better wishes I may actually like the Greatful Dead.

The media creates a lot of things, but I read that the Summer of Love is basically when San Francisco was flooded with college students, etc, for exactly one summer, and then they left for the fall and didn't come back for next summer really, mostly due to the huge upsurge in crime. This was the summer of love.

I was five, so I don't have any direct knowledge.

I do know several people who were in San Francisco around that time, and they all refer to that year as the Summer of Love.

I know one woman in particular who didn't get to SF until 1968, and she still regrets that she missed the Summer of Love.

There was an actual Summer of Love, and then the media jumped on it and made it a 'thing'. Which crapped it all up, like you're saying.
I'm thinking Summer 1966, there were all the free concerts in the parks, so-called Love-ins, mass LSD parties, Free Speech mayhem had been going on in Berkeley for some years. Mario Savio.
How the hell I remember his name- isn't that a great name?
S.F. was the hippie Nirvana back then.

By the time I got there in '70, the Haight was gone, more like it is now. Still caught some great free concerts.

I think part of the problem now is that we still have such a massive influx of street kids there. I mean, yes, we have homeless in the park, but this isn't so much your hardcore homeless like you see downtown as it's a lot of teenage runaways and kids who just wanted to drop out and travel around. I don't want to say that this is the entire population of the Haight homeless, but it definitely skews a lot younger. What I'm basically saying, however, is that the massive influx has never stopped. People still think there's something here. Sometimes there are brief glimpses that there is. Other times you realize that Haight/Ashbury is best known now because that's the intersection where the Ben and Jerry's is and you can buy some skinny jeans over at Villians for $300 and a $50 ironic t-shirt to go with them.

It does amaze me that it was a Summer of Love. Even in the Haight summer is just too damn cold here.

Last year there was an awesome bandshell up in the Panhandle made out of reused materials. Mainly it was constructed of old car hoods for the shell and plastic water bottles for the back. It only lasted for the summer though and a bit into the fall. I believe they failed to get clearance to leave it up for a few more months and the city made them take it down. People complained that someone had created something unique and cool and made it available for people to put on free performances. They claimed it was an eyesore. This is the modern Haight. I really fucking hate that the yuppie assholes have so much control there now.

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...and I recently discovered that despite my better wishes I may actually like the Greatful Dead.


Please accept my deepest sympathies and condolences.

Oh wait-you might be OK after all, unless "Greatful Dead" is a typo. Then you're still hosed.

Yeah, I don't know how in the fuck I screwed that up. Sometimes I think they misspelled it on purpose for some reason and other times I realize they didn't.

Guys, I think it is time to give the Grateful Dead a break. They just want you to do drugs and have a good time. Yes, their 35 minute wankfests suck huge, huge balls. Get a best-of album or the acoustic album Reckoning . Please trust me on this. Also, exactly as Freaks and Geeks describes it American Beauty is one of those albums that can make you see the world a little differently if it comes to you at the right time in your life.

Since they are no more, it is not possible to go to a Dead show.

And without actually going to a Dead show, it is impossible to get a true understanding of them.

This is not to say it is impossible to like them, or to get them. This is to say that they weren't about albums to listen to at home. They were about the live gig.

If you don't appreciate them, that is OK. But I didn't really connect to them until the outdoor concert where I could steep myself in everything they were about, and why all the people spent years of their lives just following them from show to show.

My half-sister was/is a pretty big deadhead and that had inevitably soured me on them.

I didn't go, and I can't remember exactly which summer it was, but it really happened, SF was flooed with the young and the restless one summer, and it was a street party until the bad drugs and fake hippies showed up.

Yeah, my understanding was that the 1967 "Summer of Love" was more a creation and branding of the media based on what was already happening before then. Hence the Diggers doing the whole "Death of the Hippie" thing.

I wasn't alive yet and I don't know anyone who was there, but I want to have a critical eye towards these things. I just know the way our media works and how fragile of a thing it seemingly was.

I'm also willing to trust Frank Zappa on this one, but then again, he was in LA. Still, the whole "I'll stay a week and get the crabs, and take a bus back home" angle just sounds incredibly likely. Not that there wasn't a real scene before then, but that the specific '67 "Summer of Love" was when it was invaded by the media and the phonies.

It's Baudrillard's simulacra. The media representation is all there is and ever was; the real thing never existed.

Hmm... very interesting.

I love Happy Christmas. Maybe this is my favorite solo song of his.
He was a cool feller. It bothers me what a terrible father he was, though.

Was he not also, apparently, a complete dick to his first wife? I seem to recall reading that even when they were first dating he was a terrible person to her. Kind of how he was also a total bastard to Julian.

I'm not positive about Cynthia, but I believe he wasn't entirely a good guy, and she and Julian were actually struggling, financially. The wife of one of the Beatles was struggling.
Paul was cool though. He was more like a father to Julian, although it may be exaggerrated. I think Julian says so himself that Paul was more of a father than John.

"Happy Christmas" is a song I can enjoy.

Strangely enough, I like the Cruxshadows cover better than Lennon's original.

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I do hope lightning doesn't strike you or a bus doesn't run you down


Sure you don't. I don't think it a conincidence that just this morning I was struck by lightning while being running over by a bus, all while not giving peace any sort of chance.

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"Imagine All the People
Laughing at awksedperl
ooohoo-ooh yeah"


This requires no imagination, as it happens all of the time. Scientists call it "reality. Sad, sad, reality".

Awwwww. Big hugggs for the linux guy.

awksedperl > /dev/arms

I actually think the hyper-conceited "behind blue eyes" cover fred durst was worse. I also hate his fucking cameo in whatever that ' i'm on the outside, i'm lookin in" somg is'

Staind Outside , I believe.


I like cover songs, there are a lot of bands with potential who are missing something, and covers can often give me what I missed. Or at least offer up a new way of thinking about the song.

I love that song. I love Outside. Dude. You are all ugly like me.

I question the validity of the word "dumben."

Whatever, he likes limpbizkit.

no cookies for him.

You can just stick them up your .. .. YEAH!!

As soon as I remembered this lyric, I remembered I hate the song, and everything else they did.

Welcome back son.

Okay, good. We still like you, then.

I like We Built This City.

Instead of it being a good song, it's more like one of those out-driving-with-your-friends-at-two-in-the-morning-and-it-comes-on-and-you-all-laugh-about-how-bad-it-is-but-then-turn-it-up-and-sing-along-really-loudly guilty pleasure songs.

Along the same lines of Chris Farley and David Spade in Tommy Boy, belting out Superstar by the Carpenters.

Yeah I know this feeling.

For me and my college roommates it was "Vindicated" by Dashboard Confessional.

The Way , Fastball.

Pretty appropriate for road trips, especially ones planned while high.

Super, "All-American Cheesecake."

I scream and cry and hit myself in the chest with a shoe when I listen to this song. I think you can listen to it [url=https://www.last.fm/music/Super/_/All-American Cheesecake]here[/url] (I've never used last.fm and can't here at work).

I remember hearing that song the radio

It makes me feel old.

I will agree it's a hack song, but it's tremendously better than anything the Carpenters ever did. That is not so much a guilty pleasure as a deep dark family secret.

Good, but I feel that it probably should have discussed have Grace Slick is regarded as kind of a slut.

"We Built This City" WAS a hack song. For a song about building a city on rock'n'roll, it sure didn't rock much.

Yeah, man.

Can't hold a candle to "Heat of the Moment" by Asia.

Well, to be fair, only time will tell.

[shoots self in head]

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Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care
Jimmy Crack corn and I'm not there
We built this city on rock and roll!
Something something day.

I always liked that because it was while he was in SF. Of course, the city is not built on rock. It is largely built on sand and landfill. We desperately need to be built on rock. This is really an absolutely terrible place to build a city geologically. Not only is it on an earthquake fault and close to others, but there's very little bedrock here to properly support anything.

But he was in Florida.

For your perusal "Rock the Boat". Similar category of non-rocking, rock referencing garbage.

Saw Grace Slick doing her thing under the Jefferson name a few years back at Ribfest in St Pete, FL. The fire was there...but the body wasn't keeping up.

Saw Kansas at a county fair when I was a teenager too...sad times.

Those old guys make a circuit that includes an Indian Gaming Casino near here. Kansas, Heart, Creedence, all of them.

Pfah.

Creedence? Please. No Fogerty, let's not kid ourselves.

Well, I gotta say I absolutely love the song Centerfield . I am biased, as I think baseball is the third-greatest thing in life, after sex and music.

Put me in coach, I'm ready to play, today.
Look at me, I can be, centerfield.

Hit the ball, and touch 'em all, a moment in the sun.
It's gone, and you can tell that one good-bye.

One of my most favorite songs ever.

I do not enjoy baseball, but that song never fails to bring back great memories of being a child in the 80s. I have strong nostalgia for it. It also fits into the category of "80s songs strongly enhanced by the use of handclaps" that also includes "Jack and Diane". Actually, they're both roots rock songs as well. Damn. They would go so well together and only came out three years apart.

Jack and Diane is pretty timeless to me, always sounds fresh and beautiful.

is that a Lain eye?

I don't think so.


I really wanted to like that a lot more than I ended up liking it. I mean, I seriously, deeply wanted to love it. I don't know what happened. Maybe I need to watch it again, but it just felt muddled to me.

I have similar, but different issues with everything I've ever seen by Satoshi Kon (at least Perfect Blue, Paranoia Agent, and Paprika). They just never end up doing it for me and always feel a bit too muddled for me.

Then again I'm the only anime fan I've ever met who dislikes Mononoke Hime. Spirited Away was alright and kinda fun, but I'll never get the gushing praise for Miyazaki. Perhaps it's his opinion on the relationship to nature that doesn't work for me as I tend to come down on the opposite side of that.

I had a similar problem with Serial Experiments, because I was probably not paying attention. I really loved the intro. I could be happy to have seen the intro and just wished to see the rest.

Have you seen Tekonkinkret yet? My roomate picked it up at walmart (along with paprika) It was pretty fun.

I'm going to guess you liked Akira. I liked Akira.

I watched Tekkonkinkreet last night, coincidentally. I liked it, it was pretty crazy and the animation was gorgeous.

maybe he is the minotaur!

yes it was very enjoyable.

Shit, my mind just closed in on itself. I just watched the end scene again. Wow that was a good movie. It is so good it invades my mind.

It's on my list, but I haven't seen it yet.

Akira didn't do it for me either. Again something where I need to watch it again. Cowboy Bebop, however, or Ghost in the Shell (either the original film or S.A.C.) now that's some good watchin'. Not to mention Evangelion or FLCL (saw the pillows this past year and they were fucking awesome).

I'm in the middle of Full Metal Panic! at the moment. It's not great, but it's moderately enjoyable for what it is.

The biggest anime disappointment for me was definitely Record of Lodoss War. It was just... it was so terrible. I can't see how it's so highly hyped when it was one of the worst things I've ever seen. I am still searching for a really good fantasy anime.

Akira was so great, you should watch it again. Whenever I play HALO I always use a pink/blue capsule as my insignia. I don't play HALO very often.

Furi Kuri is my favorite show of all time.

Love FLCL. LOVE IT. Paranoia Agent too. I wanna watch Death Note...

I first saw it on Adult Swim, many years ago. I thought it was called Judo for some reason. Eventually I found it after reading Otaku Fanboy Club for three months, when the main female character pulled a guitar out of her head. I was like, I KNOW THAT and got on the forums.

Found out what it was called, bought the first DVD and loved it. Bought the second DVD and loved it but wondered which episdoe I saw. Bought the third DVD, and loved it.

The episode I happened to catch first, was the final episode. You think its fucked up? Imagine what I thought.

Whever I lend it out now, I give them the final disc and tell them to watch the last episode. Three months later I lend them the other two and tell them to marathon it. I have two copies so I don't mind if it is floating around for a while.

Uh, it was on Adult Swim all of last year. I think it's all out on DVD now though.

Yeah I know that.

This was pretty much eight or nine years ago.

Paranoia Agent is a great piece of art

It's on my list, but I haven't seen it yet.

Akira didn't do it for me either. Again something where I need to watch it again. Cowboy Bebop, however, or Ghost in the Shell (either the original film or S.A.C.) now that's some good watchin'. Not to mention Evangelion or FLCL (saw the pillows this past year and they were fucking awesome).

I'm in the middle of Full Metal Panic! at the moment. It's not great, but it's moderately enjoyable for what it is.

The biggest anime disappointment for me was definitely Record of Lodoss War. It was just... it was so terrible. I can't see how it's so highly hyped when it was one of the worst things I've ever seen. I am still searching for a really good fantasy anime.

Disregarding the double post, have you seen Berserk? They only adapted the first volume of the manga, but it's still the best anime I've seen to date.

By way of enticement, I can direct you to the trailer for the Japan-only PS2 game here .

I'm going to have to click that link when I get home. I loved the 100-man slayer.

I loved that fucking show so hard.

I've heard things on both sides about Berserk, but I am aware of it and I may eventually see it.

And yes, sorry about the double post. I was so trying not to make that happen, but it stalled for a long time on me and as soon as I clicked "Post" again it went up and didn't show a double.

No, this is not an acceptable answer. You despair of how hard it is to find a good fantasy anime, I offer you not only the best fantasy anime but the best anime and possibly the best serial program of all time, and all you can say is you "may eventually see it"? Fie on you, sir. Pfah!

I've heard some very negative things about it though. I want to give each side an equal say in this. I will move it up to "watch next" status just for you though. That may take some time though.

It also bothers me how anime draws elves with big, long, floppy ears. These are not proper elf ears. Elves have slightly pointier ears than humans. This is proper. Anime elf ears are not good to me.

But you can grab them, and just RAM your giant iron-spiked cock inside over and over until fairies start flying out of her hoo-ha and pixie dust shoots out of your nostrils.

I concur. I saw Berserk thanks to this dude's recommendation and it did not disappoint.

I think this is the most positive difference I have ever made in anyone's life.

Whoa, I thought you meant THIS berserk. The memories. Especially of the sounds. And the overall mood. What a game.

Awesome show.

The original film? Does that mean you don't like the sequel? Man, I don't know. I found it a lot better, and not just because it featured more Batou. I've only seen the Laughing Man arc, apart from that, although I'm hoping to borrow Second Gig this Christmas.

Cowboy Bebop is awesome too, I agree. Those two are pretty much the only anime I ever watch, apart from the occasional Studio Ghibli. And I still haven't seen Akira.

You should watch Akira. Don't let me hype it and ruin it, maybe read some negative reviews and then a good review, watch it. Yes.

I never saw the sequel. I heard negative things.

my favorites ever:

Lain, FLCL, Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star and Escaflowne.
(i liked the FLCL manga more. also, look at the art book from Lain. it is pretty.)

[Shin Chan does not count.]

Just putting my eye under here to prove it is not this

Negative, keep guessing

They should eventually become Jefferson Dimension-Traversing Device.

Jefferson Shiftship? Will it feature Grace Sparks?

I salute your Jeffersonian scholarship.

Praise from Caesar!

She's gettin' really long in th' tooth, Pogo.

I was at the concert in OKC they were busted for obscenity or curfew, or some ridiculous shite.
It was, of course, lame,lame,lame.

Crikey. That may have been my first rock concert.

I know, all the old rock babes are going to hell. It's a tough life. But then look at kathleen Turner.

Perhaps better to go out like Joplin, when you're still in your 20's?

It's hard to stay the way you used to be.

God, imagine what Janis would look like today....sends shivers down the spine to think.

We are ugly but we have the music.

I think the smart ones know when to bow out gracefully and not tarnish their memory.

I'd much rather be alive and have my legacy than be dead. Hell, I'd rather be a despised sell-out and still be alive. Basically I'll take anything over being dead.

You need to get over that shit. Here you are an existentialist and a regular contributor to a forum where one of the main protagonists has died, what 3 times at least? And they've had hella graphic OOBE's.
I'd not be surprised in the least to hear that Onstadt has had numerous OOBE's his own self.

Existentialism means I care that much more about being alive. It's all I have.

No. None of them would trade with Joplin. She was just a bit too much drama-queen. You have to work your issues out.

She is sexy tho.

Hunter S. Thompson apparently had a crush on her.

As well as he should have. Did you see a picture of her in her heyday?
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(Note: In the picture to your right, she looks more like George Washington than any sort of pop chanteuse...)

Again...


Left==HOT.

More like cute/pretty.

It's the eyes. I can imagine her looking up with those eyes during... erm, certain sexual acts in which use of the eyes is very important. I can imagine that this would be the sort of thing that person would remember until the end of his days.

I forget who said I was against DSL the other day in reference to Angelina Jolie, but the most important attribute there isn't the lips, it's the eyes.

I have a crush on Glace Slick, as well as Pattie Boyd and Sarah Palin, but only when they are young.

You could say I .. .love them.

Patty Hearst was kinda cute. She seems like she would have been good in bed.

Sarah Palin... that shit is just not right.

Well, for Patty Hearst, all you have to do is start a black power movement and kidnap her. You might have to let the other members gangrape her though.


I'd hit it.

I would not.

it is right, on the political spectrum.

Yeah, I didn't say there was anything wrong with that. I was just spewing information. I watched Gonzo the other day and it was mentioned.

I was on the sixth row of one of the last (maybe the actual last?) tours Jefferson Starship made, in 1982 or thereabouts.

Grace Slick was wearing this top made of a metallic silver fabric, about three feet square, with opposite corners tied together in the back. It was pretty awesome.

You remember a shiny tube top from the year that I was born, and that makes me happy.

You're the age of my son. Can I arrange a meeting?

(Be quiet! I have a crush on her. DOn't tell her though.)

HEY GOODWILLGIRL SJE HAS A CRUSH ON YOU!!!!

Man you are totally that guy that if I was quietly telling him about how I liked some girl would be all "just go up and talk to her!" and before I could protest would yell "Hey, my friend likes you!" as I turned away and ran.

HE WANTS TO TOUUUUCH YOU
HE WANTS TO KIIIISSSS YOUUUUU
HE IS THINKING ABOUT YOUR BOOOOBIEEESSS

Yes, and then she would instantly like you because you are not the loud douchebag who is screaming in a grocery store/ pizza parlor.

NONONONONO
*cries*
i didnt want her to know and now i can never look her in the eye the next time i see her at market basket.
:(
Goodwillgirl, I have mad friends who work at market basket by the way. Do you? We may have friends in common.

This conversation made me giggle. No, I do not have friends that work at Market Basket anymore. Back long ago, in the days of high school, I knew many people that worked at Market Basket. But they have since grown up and had careers and babies.

PS: have you seen me at the Market Basket and I do not know it?

CIRCLE ONE: YES NO

No offense, but you are so old!
I know someone who is like 23 who works there. Maybe even 24. I don't actually think I know any 26 year olds in real life, though.
Senior year of high school I had about 20 friends who worked there, and I wanted to work there so bad because I had a crush on about 5 girls too.
Anwer: probably yes. There had to be some point which I've seen you, even if I was one and you were 7 smiling at the cute baby.

I've always wanted to meet someone online that I know in real life, and I have met you, one person who went to my high school, and one person who now lives in the town my dad just moved to and may transfer to my school in the same major but I HAVE MET NO ONE YET.

You called a lady "old," sje.

How come?

I don't know.

They hate that. Even if they say they don't.

26 is not old.
I just meant that I keep realizing that she is 26 and not 22ish like I keep thinking for some reason.

There's actually very little difference when you get down to it.

And if you are calling her old, she may not let you get down on it, and that would be tragic.

It's always the bottom line with you, zap.

I don't fuck around, when I'm fucking around.

Doesn't he want to get up on it? We need to solve this controversy!

I always thought the answer to that controversy was:

Get Down!

Get Funky!

Get Back Up Again!

Hmm... so getting down is the movement towards funk, but getting up is the return to a neutral state so that getting down is possible once again? Interesting interpretation. You might be capable of finally breaking the deadlock.

Get down on what.

hervaginawithyourmouth

=(
Stop effing up my innocense.

stop effing up his innocence, em effer.

This is strongly advisable. All AssetVirgins. This is the thing to do to a lady when having your first time with her. You should go down on her until she doesn't know what's what. This will cause it to not be a big disappointment that she kinda regrets.

It is not a place or a thing my child, it is a state of being.

I really don't feel like 26 is old, so I'm legitimately not insulted. (Sorry rowboat.)

When I am 30, if someone says I am old, I will feel sad, because I might actually feel old then.

I know what you mean though. I have a little brother who is 18, and whenever I read any of your comments, I think that you are far closer to my age as opposed to someone who could have been friends with him in preschool. I think that just happens to me with everyone here though. Like, I know that Pogo is older, because we make fun of him for it a lot (Hi Pogo!), biff is 47, and scorpio_nadir is 57, and if you read their comments that aren't about stuff from a long time ago, they sort of just seem like they're my age, too. So you know.

Once, when I was 7, I waved at a baby! So we probably did meet. Don't worry!

Thank you. =)
These older guys, by the way, are odd to me, because I'm simply not used to middle aged people on the Internet. But they do seem pretty cool, even though I keep getting cosmically slapped.

I've only intentionally met one person that I knew online first. It's not really a driving desire of mine to know more people physically.

Well, I just like coincidences, you know?

Maybe you need to get in the cab, and go buy some Baskets. Whatever the hell Market Basket is.

google is just a click away

It is a local supermarket chain in the Merrimack Valley region of New Hampshire/ Massachussetts.

Thank you Sean, I was actually curious.

I was really hoping that someone would mention that they didn't know what Market Basket was.

What a stupid name for a supermarket!

Well I sort of figured it would be a market, where you brought a basket... or bought a basket? It doesn't seem stupid, its better than SAVEMART or some shit like that.

Will you tell me more about it theGWG?

Also... have you met my freind sje? He is somewhat shy, but really a nice guy.

SJE your hot dog cheeser is ready! OH AND THAT GIRL YOU LIKE IS AT THE FRONT DOOR! GO LET HER IN!

Really? I thought it made a lot of sense. It is not like Piggly-Wiggly, Safeway, or Jewel.

Food Lion is just weird to me although it does have "Food" right there. I just... I just don't get it.

Is it deliciously dangerous?

I like the name. I don't think it is that bad.

I don't like Victory, or whatever. Only been in their once. Is it still open?

Do you wanna kiss her on the titties?

Mom! SJE wants to kiss her on the titties!

No I don't!
I just wanna hold her hand is all!

You damn Beatles fan.

I didn't even realize I was referencing them, but I guess it happened unconsciously.

I'm feeling a little bad for saying 'damn' there.

]:{

Grunge is not classic after 15 years.

I thought about this.
Classic rock-good rock.

Anything that is good and is no longer is a band is classic rock. This works because there are no good rock bands still together.

There is plenty that is called "classic" that is anything but good.

Not entirely. It is a distinct style of rock music before things started to splinter heavily. It's more like "Coke Classic": the way things were before they became "New". It has no comment on quality and new classic rock is definitely possible.

But wouldn't have leaving Coke alone and keeping it always good erased the need to call it Classic anyway?

HOLY SHIT what a complicated sentence.

No, Coke was always shit. Pepsi forever.

Dude I had Pepsi last night for the first time in a few months or so and I wanted to rip my tongue out and stick it in a urinal just to get that putrid syrup out of my taste buds, then I wanted to rip my brain out and slam it between two cinder blocks in the hopes that my hippocampus would be damaged at least short-term so I wouldn't remember the taste. Overreaction? Probably. Unmitigated fabrication? Not a chance.

I'm drinking a Pepsi right now. I'M DRINKING THIS PEPSI RIGHT AT YOU!!

HE IS DRINKING YOUR PEPSI THROUGH THAT STRAW!

HE DRINKS IT UP! DRAINAGE!

DON'T BULLY ME STEEV_DAYV AND SCORPIO_NADIR AND BELGAND!

Stop drinking shit water then.

Fuck your Spanish shoes.

They were made in America.

Zapatos son espanol.

Imagine a tilde in there.

I was trying to be clever.

All I wanted was a Pepsi.

All I wanted was to say, "hyuck its made in China! those chinamens made it! haha! merica made in china!"

I mean, "your mom wanted a pepsi, but all i had was coke. she did okay with it."

Is this a reference to a very misguided whiny punk song? If so, I am ashamed that I know more lyrics and had an urge to post them.

Institutionalized I think it's called, it's pretty rough on guitar hero, but not theguitarhero

I haven't heard much, so I probably shouldn't even say anything, but this is the only Suicidal song I've ever really liked.

Ditto.

SHE GOES "MIKE MIKE WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU" AND I GO "NOTHING MOM I'M JUST THINKING" AND SHE'S LIKE "NO YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE ON DRUGS NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T ACT LIKE THIS" etc

Really? I liked pretty much all of How Will I Laugh Tomorrow, it's just straight up thrash. But "Institutionalized" is one of the few songs that I can say really "speaks" to me. If our generation had a defining song, this is it.

Because he is really speaking it at you. But yes I agree.

Plus I don't know if I count as part of your generation or if I'm on the fringe of the next.

The way I always saw it, in order to be considered part of Generation X, you had to at least have been old enough to appreciate Nirvana in their own time. I was 7 and had just come to America when Nevermind came out, so I missed that boat by a few years. Then again, I think I am a couple of years too old to be Generation Y or "millenial", whatever they call it.

Let me give you my frame of reference:

1994 was Kindergarten for me (I was 4 but I was born in November so I consider myself 5 at the time; us late-year birthday-havers do that a lot)
2001 I was age 11/12 (I say this because 9/11 was a defining moment for this decade and by extension the generation)
I was 6 when we got our first computer, which was on of those blue screen mono-functional things, with video games on floppy discs.
Age 7 we got a better computer and the Internet later that year.
And I am 19 now, as of 6 days ago.

I can give culturally significant stuff if you want another frame of reference.

You are so hard Gen Y.

I remember sitting in the kitchen watching TV when the Challenger blew up even though I was only in Kindergarten at the time.

If you grew up in the 90s you are Gen Y.

Those of us who grew up in the 80s are a bit trickier. Some fall on either side of the line depending on how late into the decade you were born.

2001 I was in college. I woke up kinda late and the whole thing was all over the news and my girlfriend came in told me to turn on the TV so I did and I saw what was going on and I turned off the TV and rolled over and went back to sleep. I mean, what could I do about it? I knew what was going on, but that's not going to get in the way of sleeping.

Oh I'm totes a Y-er and know it, I was just giving reference points.

For me, it was a bit harder to ignore because I had the lovely image of the towers on fire from my window and the cloud of smoke for weeks afterward. Also the jets flying by overhead kind of made a lot of noise.

Is thing where you are living in Kansas at time and there, it make not so much impact on daily life. Is bad thing and all, but for today? Not so much I can be doing.

I got to sleep through every class that day, it was the only time I slept in school. Senior year, never forget.

We all drifted through a half day of school then everyone had to get their parents to take them home which was pretty hard to orchestrate.

I think I was in 3rd or 4th grade when the Challenger bit it. The only emotion I remember was complete joy because we got to go home early. Death didn't mean much to me then.

In '01 I watched it unfold all morning. I was effected, but it was like I was watching a movie or something. I was also waiting for word that my classes for the day would be cancelled. I did not receive word. I went to my class. After everyone had arrived and had taken their seats, our professor walked in and told us all to go home. I was pissed about the inconvenience. Death didn't mean much to me then.

I'm not completely sure, but I think death means more to me now. I guess I'll find out eventually.

It is death, whatever.

I have said this before, so I am probably being a douche by repeating it, but...

I was at work when the Challenger blew up. I was waiting for my 2PM shift to start on the Ground Navigation Console in the Mission Control Center. It kinda put a damper on the next few years for me.

I was working in Houston on 9/11, just a block or so from the tallest building in the city. We were all kind of paranoid. My boss told us at 10:30 that we could leave early if we wanted to, but we would have to use sick time or vacation time. Then at 11:00 they sent us all home.

I was born in 1962, still by definition a baby boomer. I know, WWII had been over for 17 years, but I am still a baby boomer by definition.

And really that's kind of true. I have more in common socially and culturally with people fifteen years older than me than I do with people five years younger.

But, no matter what generation you call it, I have always been a misfit.

That is the most interesting Challenger story I have yet heard. I would be interested in your further observations on the event and following times if you wish to relate them. As always I wish to learn from what other people can teach me and it seems like you would have some very relevant insight.

One of my fellow navigators was married to a woman who was on the investigation team. So he got a look at the accident report right when it came out, and brought it and the video to work so we could all see and read it.

This was not the political How could we have let this happen? investigation that was all over TV forever. This was the engineering What were the physical causes? internal investigation report that just reviewed what had happened.

Really though, I could go on for pages and pages about this, and this really isn't the place.

Maybe someday I will write up something and post it somewhere on the internet for all who care to to see.

I was skipping a college class of some sort the morning of 9/11. My mom called me at home, yelled at me for not being at class, and then made me turn on the news.

I watched everything go down, and then my friends and I went to Buffet King for lunch! (Everything else was closed.)

Effected or affected? I do not see how you could be effected by it. This confuses me, but I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I think part of it is that people have been trying to fuck with the WTC for a long time now. The other part is, well, when you see it on the news there is a strong element of "this is something that has already happened" so there isn't really anything I can do in response. I became informed that it happened. What else could I have done?

I stopped watching the TV coverage after about 30 minutes.

When I told people that later, they were shocked. They couldn't believe I had turned off the TV.

But really, like you say, there was no new information to be had, just replays of grisly and horrific scenes.

I didn't need any replays. I turned off the TV.

Exactly. The towers were hit by planes. They are falling down and on fire. We don't know anything else at this time. That was really all there was to report when I turned it on. It was like, five or ten minutes of information.

I found it interesting that people immediately started talking about Osama Bin Laden being behind it when there was nothing to suggest that. It just seemed like they said that because they were familiar with the name due to it being on the news the most recently. I initially was willing to suspect domestic terrorism. I wonder how that would have been different. I wonder how things may have been worse over the past decade if that was the case, I wonder how they may have been better.

I watched CNN for about two or three weeks straight. I still do watch it a lot.

I was only in 7th grade, remember.

I was in second grade when 9/11 happened (age 8-9 for all you Non-'Mericuns), and when the teacher heard something happened, she just let us watch old Mickey Mouse tapes until our parents picked us up. We were just happy to have basically a half-day, and we just goofed around and played Classroom Survivor (last one to get picked up by their parents wins!), cheering when someone's parents came and made our winning chances better. I only found out what happend in the car on the way home, but I only cared in an "aw, that sorta sucks" kinda way. When we got home, we called our dad, (who worked in the city, but not near the towers, thank goodness), who just got annoyed that we interrupted him at work. When I saw it on TV, my thoughts were more along the lines of "huh. How 'bout them apples" than "I can't believe how devastating this is". So really, it didn't really affect me at all. Nowadays, I just think of it as a pretty terrible and sucky thing that happened, but no reason to live in fear or go all over-patriotic "to show them ay-rab ter'rists"
This has been: Long-Winded Personal Stories About Tragic Events That Didn't Really Matter To Me At The Time, with your host, Catgrl!

Holy shit I thought I was young.

Our age is like the average age on the Internet, it seems.

Pretty much 9/11 didn't affect many lives significantly if you didn't have any relatives/didn't live in one of the cities. That didn't change the amount of terrible essays written about it for "The Day That Most Change My Life" in high school.
Do not write an essay on this if you only watched it on TV.

Also, Catgrl is young as f$#@.

I INHALED THE SMOKE OF THE BURNING TOWERS FOR MONTHS BRAHGHAGRAHGH USA ALL THE WAY FUCK TERRORISMS

God damn god damn, second grade? That was my senior year of high school. Wow.

We were in the middle of philosophy class, and some secretary came in to tell us that a plane had flown into the WTC and that's all they knew so far. Most of us imagined some kind of little crop duster or 2-seater that had spun out of control. So we kept talking about Wittgenstein for another 15 minutes, and then she came back and told us that one tower had fallen and it was terrorism. Everyone got herded into the classrooms with TVs and we watched the news coverage. Eventually people started getting bored of watching the same clip over and over and just hearing them repeat that they didn't know anything, so everyone started talking and my friend and I started playing games on one of the computers in the back, while the teacher was trying to make us pay attention by saying that this was our generation's Pearl Harbor. But it was precisely because it was such a huge event and because of the magnitude of the media coverage that it didn't seem real but more like a movie.

I should note that this was in New Jersey about 20 minutes outside of NYC. Almost everyone's parents worked in the city, and our whole senior class had internships there, including many in the WTC, which were due to start on Wednesday, Sept. 12, i.e. the next fucking day . But amazingly, there was no widespread panic, though a good number of people lined up in the office to call their parents. The only person I remember being affected in our entire class was one girl whose family friend died.

Afterwards, I did have a brief surge of 'patriotism' and thought that people who opposed the war in Afghanistan were retarded. It was only when all of a sudden we started talking about invading Iraq that I was like "wait, wtf does Iraq have to do with any of this?"

Samesies on the whole uberpatriotism shit. I was off my cookie with These Colors Don't Run and shit but I was sure to let everyone know how I didn't blame all Muslims because like 1/4 of my school was Middle Eastern/Arab; it was a weird time for me. My dad still can't watch video of the towers and I get a little annoyed at him for always being more than a little sensitive about it but it's different for both of us.

Hmm... I never really understood the uberpatriotism angle. I was more of a "Hey, why did someone do this? Can we maybe talk to them so they don't want to do it anymore? Were we colossal dicks? Is this something we can fix?" and everyone else was like "Let's get crazy revenge now because we feel angry!". That's what Afghanistan felt like to me. Just mindlessly lashing out at something because we're big and angry and wanted to be able to attack someone to make ourselves feel better. Because otherwise we'd just have to sit there and take it and admit that there's not really much we can do aside from long, slow processes that might have an actual impact.

But I'm a big flag-burning libertarian hippie type. You know what does run? Me. I run away as much as I can. Is like Rincewind.

I think mob mentality plays a role and it's hard to blame every person that feels that way, but that doesn't make it right.

It is not at all hard to blame every person who feels that way. Not for me it isn't. I have very advanced powers of blaming and general derision.

You're a special case.

I too was in my last year of highschool, it was actually kinda creepy, my first period Literature teacher often opened up homeroom with a recounting of her dreams, before we got the news she was talking about how she couldn't sleep at all because she kept dreaming about wailing sirens... we didn't think too much of it, the week before it was something about a flock of talking hummingbirds, the actual news didn't reach us until 2nd period physics. I'm not one for psychics, but coincidences can creep you out too.

I remember being convinced I caused 9/11, because the day before, we were talking about history as an overall concept in history class, durp (it was only the second week of school so we were doing the Big Picture stuff) and I remember distinctly thinking "I wish something historical would happen in my life," because until then, the nineties had been pretty lackluster history-wise for me. Then the next day happened and for a while I literally thought my wish caused it. KIDS HUH HYUK HYUK

yeah, it was awkward that for the prior month or so my circle of friends had started using jihad upon you as the 'flavor of the week' swear

We were talking about Columbine in my Senior year AP US Government class not long after it happened when suddenly the alarms all went off. It was freaky.

Some douche called in a very amateur bomb threat and we all got herded outside. A teacher snapped at me to put away my umbrella which I thoughtfully always carry in my backpack because I might be hit by lightening or something. This is crazy. It was raining. What kind of idiot is this?

I only lived a couple blocks from school, but they made us all go down the block to a nearby middle school until we were picked up or, eventually, they took us over to the parking lot in small groups to check out our cars and let us go. I had a bunch of large boxes in the hatch and a lone, somewhat sinister briefcase in the back seat because of debate. I was inspected a bit more because of this, but not overly sinisterly.

It was kinda weird, but really more of a pain in the ass than anything really.

Post-Columbine a lot of my friends started to get hassled heavily at school. It was not a good time.

I still think that the Onion's "Columbine Jocks Free to Resume Bullying" is possibly the finest thing they have ever written and definitely their best serious satire.

The night before the Oklahoma City bombing, I stayed up late in the lobby of my college dorm, talking with a couple friends who were History freaks. We were talking about the ramifications of a bomb that would take out most of the government (and the rules that keep someone out of the chambers for just such an instance). I asked them if they thought someone might try something as big as a bomb, and they pretty much agreed it was just a matter of when .

On 9/11, I was out of college, and in the second year of my first full-time job.
A couple of us watched the coverage on a TV in a conference room.

Seriously, highschool and second grade??
Damn, for a second, I almost understood how pogo feels...

7th grade for me. One of the worst days of my life, too. The confusion. Ohhh the confusion.

Wow, I just realized that I have a much better memory of the Challenger than I do of Columbine.

I did too much acid in the late '90s.

Everyone regrets acid wash, but I thought that was more early '90s.

Holy shit Catgrl, I thought I was the youngest Assetbarbarian here.

I was in 6th grade when 9/11 happened...

You are 10?

GOD NO DON'T NO WAY MAN NO WAY

Don't say stupid shit like this in front of a math teacher, for fuck's sakes!

Also, your new avatar looks like you have a big fucking 70s afro. I know it doesn't, I have looked closely enough to recognize that several times. Nonetheless, every time it appears on my screen, I see a big fucking afro.

haha, ter rists.

What about those in he 2000s?
September 11th didn't seem like a big deal to me. Seventh grade, and my mom (who worked in teh cafetaria) told me hours before anyone else new. I thought she meant that a plane landed in the big plaza, or something, between the towers. I didn't realize that maybe it was a big deal until I was told that the towers were gone.

I emember being insulted when my teacher said that we were being fake because we probably havent even heard about the twin towers prior to that day. Eff you, teacher. I knew about them due to
1. The Simpsons,
and
2. The fact that they used to be the tallest buildings in the world.

I had never heard of them, and subsequently did not care.

I was always sensitive to "not caring" about that for a while after 9/11 because it was close to home for me, physically and emotionally or whatever (lots of relative firefighters and cops, National Guardsman neighbor-friend, etc.), and today while I think of myself as being able to handle controversial humor (racism, whathaveyou), I still can't stand when people make fun of 9/11, like the "I'm falling for you" thing on 4chan. Makes my blood boil. But we're all allowed a bit of irrational defensiveness.

Yeah, I remember when Cobain died and there was at least one girl in my class who wore black all week and was totally into the whole thing. I was able to appreciate them at the time, but I'm better able to appreciate them now.

We are both considered "Cold War kids", elbox. If you were born between like 1980 and 1984, you are neither Gen X or Y. We will be the last people alive who remember the Cold War. A very slender but important cross-section of the populace.

That band is so great, they are like six different popular bands in one. Sometimes they sound like The Raconteurs, other times they sound of Beck.

Do we really remember it though? I was 5 when it ended, and I had no idea what the Berlin Wall was or that it fell, but maybe that's just because I was on the wrong side. I do remember the collapse of the USSR and coming here, which I guess was the immediate aftermath, but I can't say I knew about the concept of the Cold War until 4th grade or so.

I was a bit older so I remember the wall coming down and it being a big deal. I don't think I grasped the full political ramifications at the time, but I certainly understood the importance of it.

I was a bit too young to have any real Cold War paranoia though because, well, by the time I was old enough to be aware that the world existed in any form Gorbachev was in power and reform was more the order of the day.

It was a huge deal. It was the end of an era of the 2 big gorillas in the room with very real ability to blow up the world, but neither one did.
They postured, they threatened, they backstabbed, but they did not go to full-out war with each other.

Maybe the 1st time in recorded history 2 antagonistic empires did not go to war.
It was a huge deal. Hatred for just the word communism in this country is a virus that people still cannot get clear of.

Part of it really scared the fuck out of me.

When I was in high school there was a lot of talk about the "War Window." That was the time when it would be most advantageous to the USSR to actually start a war. And it was the three years right after I graduated from high school.

Also, that was the time when they reinstated Selective Service. It was during my senior year that I had to go to the post office and register.

Several of us got really stoned, and then went in to sign up. That was a weird feeling. And not just because I was stoned. I remember feeling like I was signing my life away, that things were suddenly totally out of my hands.

I can't believe Carter brought it back. That was probably the worst thing he did in office. I mean, everything else he did seemed to generally be made because he felt like it was the right thing to do even if it didn't always work out or it was unpopular he seems to have been a fairly reasonable person who actually had real morals and tried to act in line with them for the betterment of the country. That was just a cheap ploy to appear tough in order to beat Reagan.

Selective service is just... it's completely unethical.

What's ethics even got to do with it? We fucking dreaded and hated it. We hated that frikken war.
I think I was #189 or something. I was drafted in 1971. Another long frikken story.

I meant the resumption of selective service under Carter. I'm not even going near when we had an actual draft going on.

Carter is kind of a conundrum. He is probably the only president of my lifetime with any honesty and integrity. Yes so much that happened while he was in office went so wrong.

The Selective Service thing has so far been rather benign. No one has been forced into military service at all, much less sent to war because of it.

Selective Service doesn't compare in any way to Carter's mishandling of the economy and foreign affairs in such a way that it led to eight years of Ronald Fucking Reagan.

I'll take Selective Service any day.

Proof that a good politician can't be a moral crusader for the collective good.

Cue 5 day long debate.

I see it as proof that Carter surrounded himself with Washington outsiders who didn't understand how that city works, and made multiple bad decisions.

Plus, an extended debate is unlikely on an archive strip. All the fun stuff is happening on the current strip message thread.

I'd hardly call a 3 day old comic archive but I see your point.

I agree about "archive," but I couldn't think of a better word. I didn't want to say "old" or "non-current."

Non-current would work. And we could always debate over it, along with Carter.

I have old magazines with ads selling pieces of the wall. I was given these magazines before I was old enough to form long term memories though so I don't really get the paranoia.

What do you mean you don't get the paranoia? You personally do not get paranoid? Or you don't get the concept of mass paranoia?

I don't personally get afraid of anything. On some level I know there are people and things that can hurt me, but it doesn't scare me at all.

Well, that's fine. That's a fine freedom. Most people aren't like that, though. Most people live in tiny worlds of fear and never break out their entire lives.
However sad you think you are,
I assure you they are sadder by far.

Fear is the mindkiller.

stereo is a strange child to have no fear, yet admiration for American Psycho. In the same thread.
He/she needs friending, I think, so that he/she does not turn rotten.

the little death that brings total obliteration. That litany gives me chills

Lucky.

what are you fuckin' superman or something?

superwoman i mean.

Fucking Superman would be an extraordinarily bad idea as Larry Niven discussed (and Kevin Smith, as much as I enjoy his work, totally ripped off) in his classic essay Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex . Possibly the best thing Niven ever wrote.

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But "Institutionalized" is one of the few songs that I can say really "speaks" to me. If our generation had a defining song, this is it.


I refuse to be defined by that song and would like to opt out of being a part of your generation.

I like You Know Your Right.

i think korn sang it once?

Pepsi tastes pretty much exactly like Diet Coke.

So untrue.

Indeed. New Coke was actually designed to be Diet Coke (which uses a different formula), but with actual sugar and a few other minor changes to get it to taste right. The thought was that it tasted closer to Pepsi at the time and would be more successful in competing directly. It was not. People realized that Diet Coke is complete shit.

Diet Pepsi is even worse though. That Coke Zero stuff actually tastes a lot like regular Coke though. I've been drinking Pepsi One for a while now though since I switched to diet soda to lose a bit of weight. I can't wait to go back, but after some impressive gains about two years ago I've had some minor fluctuations and never really made it down to my goal of 140 lbs. so I'm still drinking this vile diet soda.

Diet Mt. Dew, oddly enough, tastes a lot like regular Mt. Dew. I have both in the fridge and it's really very uncanny.

Pepsi One, what is this, 1998? LOL!

Try not drinking soda at all to lose weight. I can't say I've lost much weight in the past 3 months, but I haven't drank more than a few cups of soda in that time. Although I do drink pink lemonade three meals a day, and I don't know what that does to me. I should probably lay off that.

ANYONE REMEMBER PEPSI BLUE?

I loved that shit. LOVED IT. The only thing close to it now is fucking Baja Blast Mountain Dew and not every Taco Bell has it anymore.

I loved dnL...that stuff was really good, but didn't last very long.

And don't forget Crystal Pepsi.

Oh my God, I only discovered that because the Taco Bell by my school has that. I've never seen it anywhere else, and school is 3.5 hours away from my home so there's no chance I can ever have it other than at school. This makes me :(*

*sad, not fart

That stuff tasted like alchohol. Not rubbing alchohol, but booze. It tasted like booze and I always thought I was going to get drunk during lunch.

Many times I did get drunk during lucnh, so I suppose my fears were not unfounded.

I can see how that would be good for mixing because it basically already has a weak alcohol-ish aftertaste. My friend has talked about mixing with it but you can't really sneak a gallon thing of it past the diligent Taco Bellers.

I was talking about Pepsi Blue, and having worked at Taco Bell you wouldn't have to sneak anything by anybody. Noone cares. They are working at a Taco Bell.

I was in the Taco Bell drive-thru with a friend once. He asked what was on the cheesy fiesta potatoes. The kid said, "Um...cheese.....uh..... fiesta ..." I wish to god I was making that up. Of course I was laughing my ass off about it for, like, a month afterward, but it really is kind of depressing if you think about it.

I haven't been to Taco Bell in over a year. That is because the last time I ate there I bit down on something so hard I thought I broke a tooth. In my extremely stoned state, I somehow immediately convinced myself that it was, of all things, a baby's tooth. I've never been able to shake the dread that this fake idea caused me.

Hey man, if a fiesta was the main ingredient of anything I'd eat it. And as a contrasting thing to your thing, I have been to Taco Bell way too much this semester. Actually last time I was there it took over 30 minutes for my friend to get his big box meal and afterwards (fuck afterwards isn't a word) I extolled the virtues of having Latino workers as opposed to white workers, like this particular establishment had. I can say things like this because I'm 1/8th Mexican.

I rarely, if ever, go to Taco Bell anymore. It's just not common around here and in the city you don't really have drive-throughs except in rare cases. This also means that the few that are around aren't open late or they're hard to get to.

Instead we have to go to local taquerias and get delicious mexican food made by mexicans for about the same price you'd pay at Taco Bell.

They don't have Baja Blast, but they do have Jarritos and Horchata and Agua Frescas.

Still, I sometimes miss the days of suburban Taco Bell. I don't know why though.

I miss the taquerias that are everywhere in Houston. Plentiful food, inexpensive, and tasty.

I miss the local food places I had in Queens (NYC); it's all shitty chain places on Long Island and upstate.

Sometimes I find that I miss the chains a bit. If only because it was something I grew up around. I don't want to lose the great local places, but it feels odd to know that the chains aren't there at all unless you drive all the way out to suburbs.

It probably was a baby's tooth.

So I was having a house party and asked my roomate what he wanted to eat. "Get me some tacobell." I am in the drive-thru (sic) and the guy asks what I want.

"Could I uh... could I get some Taco Bell?"

We all basically just laughed the whole time, making the most vague requests. The dude I gave my money to was about red in the face, with a joyous smile. We left with a crunchwrap supereme, two grilled stuft burritos, and ten soft tacos. I didn't order anything other than, "meat cheese and vegetables, in a tortilla."

I saw someone talking about the Mountain Dew Baja Blast and thought you were responding to it, my b dogg, my b.

your b i do not know what you mean by that but okay it is just soda so i am not really too worried about it dogg [/rb]

b = bad

i agree, it is terrible.

Oh I get it.

Pepsi Blue was like someone came Drain-O into a bottle. It was some of the filthiest swill ever.

Baja Blast was pretty good though, but it was still a lot like regular Mt. Dew.

NAH UH. Pepsi Blue was THE shit, not shit.

I had to check Wikipedia because I wasn't even aware of it until 2005 or so when they re-launched it. That Pepsi Max stuff, in the US at least, is terrible though.

If this is '98 we should be talking about Surge though. Although, in fairness, that was more of a '96 thing really.

Oh God, Surge. I had it once and I was pretty satisfied with it, but it didn't make me run around the city with my friends like a pack of loons yelling SURRRRRRGE! like I hoped it would.

Ah Surge, we had that in the vender next to my Drafting Class.

and Fruitopia

Fuitopia was totally a Thing. It was also Coke trying to rip off the success of Snapple.

They still sell Snapple and this seems odd to me.

I had a Snapple Apple, I about started jerking off in the Deli. My lady was most please to have introduced me to the product. I miss her sometimes, I hope she is doing well.

I have a friend who is quite a fan of Strawberry-Kiwi.

I think it has a koala on the bottle. That is good.

A favorable taste, to be certain.

For like 2 weeks I bet.

Anyone remember OK soda?

ITT we post like crazy.
It is taking me half an hour to read all the new comments, and I am only halfway done.

from PDQ Bach again...

Oedipus Tex:
TRAAAGEDDYYYYY
drink pepsi!
TRAAAGEDDYYYYY....

My friends all call me Ed.

Correct, I believe, however.

new coke completely mucked that trust up beyond all measure. they still haven't received any forgiveness from all the rioters.

Then Aerosmith isn't classic rock because they're still together? Not defending Aerosmith, of course...God forbid...I'm much more partial these days to Howlin' Wolf or Frank Zappa or Otis Redding or Captain Beefheart but classic rock is what got me started, and I don't take lightly to false claims to the throne.

I HATE AEROSMITH

I hate Aerosmith as well. Do you think it is because they are from here and are therefore shoved down our throats on the regular?

I don't like them either, but they are considered classic rock and are still around, which was my point. Stuff all your opinions.

I do not dispute your fact with my opinion, I only present it as a separate, unconnected factoid.

Alright then.

You are correct. I eat my words.

Still, Nirvana reminds me of the awesomeness of the greats of the 60s and 70s.

Also, I said:
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Anything that is good and is no longer is a band is classic rock.

They are not good.

Everything is a matter of opinion so what is good or what is classic is all relative and it's pointless to argue that.

I don't know if they are shoved down our throats more than otherwise. I mean, they do have a Guitar Hero dedicated to them.
Mostly I hate their look and their . . .well, sound.
They have a place on Winnepasaukee(sp?), and I guess my father's friend used to hire them to play concerts at his house there. That's pretty intense, though. I'll probably ask them to play Come Together and then pay them to leave.

I like a few tracks from almost any artist, Aerosmith and Limp Bizkit included. I try not to judge an artist's work based on the bad choices or songs they make.

True, I can't say I mind all Aerosmith, but overall I don't really like them. I'm convinced I hate Rod Stewart (which I do), but "Stay With Me" by the Faces is just a rollickin' good time for my ears.

So my point is that I agree.

I admit there are a few songs that don't make me want to rip my ears out, from Limp and Aero.

I am ambivalent about Aerosmith.

Rod Stewart I do not like, but the Faces were awesome. "Ooh La La" is an amazing song.

My feelings exactly. If I hear "Hot Legs" or "If Ya Think I'm Sexy" I start projectile vomiting pure hatred, and yet I just downloaded "Stay With Me" two days ago and I've already listened to it 8 times. That's a lot...I think. Granted, I did listen to "The Underdog" by Spoon something like 10 times in one day the first time I got it but 8 in 2 days is still a lot.

dude fuck that underdog song, it is the worst song.

I have to skip it everytime i put in gagaga, fuck you xmu for ruining this song for me. thank you xmu for showing me a bunch of indie shit bands. fuck you xmu for tricking me into buying a bunch of albums.



Sorry, I love it. I regret how that affects your life.

Here's the story: I was in American Eagle with a more fashion-conscious friend, standing in a corner and lamenting at the 9 year old preps with faux hawks, when the opening strains of that song came across the PA/TV on the wall. The mariachi's brass came in, and I whipped my head at the TV. I was hooked from the first time I heard it. It's what saved me from stabbing myself in the eye with a hanger in that store that day...

Fuck. They play that at American Eagle? Now it's ruined for me and I loved that song.

Also are you saying it's fashion conscious to be at American Eagle?!? If so I wish to direct you to searing pain.

I bought a few things from them back in '96 or so. I got two t-shirts that don't have logos on them anywhere (technically they do, but they're a faint grey and about 2 x 3 cm and you have to look really hard to see them) and some cargo pants with four cargo pockets that are a fucking modern marvel because having more pockets is fucking important (people with pants with superfluous or unusable pockets are douches, I use mine).

From about '95 or so until '05 or '06 I did not wear jeans ever. I did not own a single pair. Why did the douchebags have to ruin cargo pants and make them into a Thing? A stupid thing filled with distressed pants and idiotic pockets that cannot be used and such. I hates them so much.

I meant conscious of fashion, not good fashion. I do not regret my wording. Also, yes, I was there waiting for him to buy a million shirts and I couldn't find anything that didn't have an obnoxious eagle on it so that's why I hate that place. Am I wrong for not wanting to advertise a company on my body?

The worst thing to me is wearing a t-shirt advertising jeans. Give me a fucking break.

My Levi's have a tiny orange tag on them. Other than that, the only logo I wear is the Houston Astros logo.

Fuck these people if they think I am going to pay them money to be a walking billboard.

If they want me to advertise their damn product, they can send me a damn check.

Pattern Recognition , aside from just being good, had some interesting commentary on branding on clothes and such. The idea of Levi 501s with all of the branding removed seemed like just such an astoundingly correct idea to me. I prefer the relaxed fit, but still....

Lots of people hated that book. They felt that Gibson was somehow betraying his audience by writing a weak book, not really set in the future, and lacking all the interwoven storylines his previous works were noted for.

I liked it, although not as much as I like a lot of his earlier work.

True, it was... different, but I enjoyed it. I think that Spook Country has shown where he might be going with this new trilogy though.

I think he has a point about the future being now, but that also sounds, well... a bit like he's being an old man about it. I think he could go a bit further in trying to tie those ideas into the earlier cyberpunk works and show how things have come to pass in a more subversive, subtle way, but the future really did turn out like that and it keeps going even further in that direction. I think he did a bit of that, but not entirely enough.

If we see the Bridge Trilogy as being both about the literal bridge as well as a metaphorical bridge between the present and the future and the Sprawl Trilogy and the Blue Ant Trilogy then I think it starts to take better shape. He has been steadily moving from near future to nearer future back into the present his whole career.

Neal Stephenson is the one who keeps moving off into new and stranger territories.

God damn it I do not have time to read all these books and I want to understand what you guys are talking about.

I've read Burning Chrome, Neuromancer, Mona Lisa Overdrive, Idoru, and Virtual Light. The Bridge Trilogy is sitting there, waiting for me to read it.

Also the Difference Engine but that's kinda unrelated in every sense.

The Difference Engine is cool, but in a totally other kind of way.

But if you haven't all ready, read Snow Crash and The Diamond Age .

Neal Stephenson is absolute favorite living author.

Those are both great. After that do Cryptonomicon which is good, but it's longer and starts to move away from cyberpunk into his more recent modern/historical focus. It also has the same lengthy "I'm now going to break from the narrative and explain a ton of things in a very pedantic sort of way" which is cool because I enjoy learning it, but it disrupts the narrative flow and it's very much like being pulled aside for a lecture on Sumerian myth or Turing Machines or Van Eck phreaking.

But Virtual Light and Idoru are the first two books in the Bridge Trilogy. Just read All Tomorrow's Parties and you're done with it.

It also seems odd that you missed Count Zero. Do you have a thing for only reading part of a trilogy? Or skipping the middle book or did you just not know at the time?

I still need to read Burning Chrome so don't feel bad.

I take whatever's going, I'm not sure what happened to Count Zero but I suspect it wasn't in the library. Same thing happened when I read Foundation (but that was also because the 2nd book is not "Second Foundation")

I advertise two things as of now: Golden Shoulders and Dr. Dog, bands that deserve advertising. Levi's deserves less ad time for all the money they make.

Agreed. I just don't like wearing clothes with brand logos on them. It's completely silly to pay $70 for a little moose sewn to the corner or of your shirt! I mean, the only time I went there was because I got a gift card and needed a pair of jeans. And truly, it was an unpleasant place. Everything reeked of perfume, they had pictures of half-naked people making out on every wall, the music was loud and unbearable, even after using the $50 gift card, the jeans still cost $30, which is more than I would normally pay for jeans anyway, and I never wear the jeans because they are scratchy, fit oddly, and I can't bend the slightest bit without showing off my asscrack. I have never been so frustrated with a clothing store. I do not understand 1)why so many girls I know are so in love with Abercrombie, and 2)what kind of parent lets their kid spend 40 bucks on just a thin t-shirt with a moose on the front?
I'm just gonna stop talking now, before this post gets any longer, but you can see how ridiculous I think this place is, yes?

I went in there because I was trying to outfit a month-long hunting and fishing expedition in the mountains. They looked at me weirdly. That place has changed in some very strange ways.

I am currently advertising an operating system on my body, but not a distinct distribution so I guess that's OK.

Otherwise you are not even remotely wrong. I cannot imagine buying clothes there. I don't recall them being nearly so loud and bad back in '95 though. They weren't really good then, but you could find some basic things there occasionally.

Did you get the operating system shirt for free? To me, that is a fair trade-off. They give me a free shirt, and in return I advertise for them.

Alternatively, do you have strong positive feelings about that operation system? Do you feel like using it will enhance the experience of others? To me, that is another justifiable reason to wear the logo on a shirt.

It's not "never" thing for me. But it is a "gotta be a good reason for it" thing.

Actually, no, I'm just wearing a "got root?" shirt right now because it was clean and I got it back in college.

I do, however, have a Red Hat shirt I got for free, but I rarely wear it. I don't want to promote Red Hat and would not use it myself. It's also ugly and in terrible condition.

I have, however, turned down other free shirts since then. I don't see the need to own ugly things I'll never want to wear.

I have not owned a pair of jeans in my adult life. They just don't look or feel right. The douches may have ruined cargos, but real fatigues cannot be ruined. They are timeless.

All I own are skinny jeans now, I'm such a hipster...

I do not understand the stick leg jeans. They make everyones legs look absolutely emaciated.

And I graduated with a degree in Fashion/Costume Design.

well I am fairly skinny anyway, and if I wear anything bootcut I look like I'm wearing a potato sack with leg holes.

Levi 501 jeans. Those are the jeans. Those are the jeans that all others are patterned after. You cannot go wrong with that.

They are so jeans, Tool wrote a song about them. Well maybe they wrote it about the end of civilization, but I hear "five oh one"

569 because I like a bit of room and I do not go for the skinny thing because I'm self-conscious even though I'm fairly average sized.

I thought they were bad, but pairing them with very, very ugly boots makes them even worse. I do not understand these things.

Skinny guy pants: nasty
Skinny girl pants: BEST

:/ i guess we can't be friends now because of my pants.

Very true. I moved back to jeans recently and have found that despite not having enough pocket space (I keep my wallet in my front pocket, always have... I don't use the back pockets) they go well with a lot of clothes. A pair of dark blue jeans and a casual white cotton button-down shirt is a nice look that is very versatile and timeless.

I'm wearing black Levis as we speak .

I pretty much am emaciated so it comes with the territory that I am wearing skinny jeans. They're not tight, though.

GUYS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JEANS JUST THE WAY LEVI'S WANTS US TO.

Mr. Levi, you make good cookies jeans.

I don't really mind promoting Levi's jeans through discussion. But I am sure as fuck never going to wear a t-shirt that says Levi's.

Black Levi's. All my jeans are black Levi's 550s. Except for the one pair that are gray Levi's 550s.

I can't remember when I last owned blue jeans. 1998 maybe?

All mine are dark blue, with a bit of "wear," but no holes or piss stains like every other pair of jeans people sell these days. Yeesh. You all know what I'm talking about, those black jeans with the yellowish tint. Like seriously, what the fuck? I'll piss my own pants, thank you very much.

Well, as long as they're being pissed, that's really all that matters.

That's what I said.

As I bought the jeans.

JEANS COME ON SHOW ME THEM PISSED

JESUS COME ON SHOW ME HIM NAKED.

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(sorry mom sorry dad sorry college.)

(it's a chocolate jesus.)

-_-

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The maker of this shows us there is a fine line between pious and sacrilege.

An immaculate confection.
Yes, that is a Tom Waits reference.

ROD STEWART OH MY GOD WHY IS HE STILL ALIVE.

I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK WHY HASN'T HIS HAIR AND NOSE JOINED FORCES TO KILL HIM YET

Because he hasn't died yet.

Rod Stewart looks like a lesbian grandmother.

Hey man, what do you have against lesbians?

nothing, until they have grandkids and look like Rod Stewart.

Nothing at all. Lesbians and their willingness to star in porn films have served me very well over the years.

Well then, don't insult them with association with Rod Stewart.

What percentage of porn lesbians do you think are actual lesbians? Has there been a study done?

If you are a female and you having sex with a female, you are then a lesbian. If you stop having sex and don't want to be a lesbian you longer are.

I disagree. There is sexual preference as a means to identify the type of sex that you prefer and then there is the sexual act itself. I think both are relevant.

In this case I believe we are discussing gay-for-pay scenarios.

I agree with begland. I know a few women personally who have had lady-on-lady encounters who do not remotely have interest in women at all.

I would make an analogy here, but that would be hypocritical of my earlier comment on how analogies are stupid.

Your orientation is based off what you think about when you touch yourself.

Puppies!

Me too!
Bestialitists unite!

wolves.
robots.
sea monsters.
jeremy irons.

I am video games?

I guess I'm a closet narcissist! I think about myself when I touch myself.

I've done that, but I think everyone expects it by now.

i think everyone who isn't corpulent or hugely nasty in the face has been aroused by their own appearance at some point or another.

i know i can't even masturbate on a day where i'm feeling frumpy or after i've had one too many cheeseburgers. my mind would not be down with touching that body, no no.

If you are a dude and you are aroused by your appearance, then you are GAY. End of story.

I don't think so.

There's a difference between thinking you look good and being aroused by your own image.

Who wouldn't want to fuck this?



Tip me over, and pour me out.

SHORT AND STOUT lololol

Me (I would not like to fuck that)

I would not want to fuck a muscular upper arm, but I can understand why you might ask.

What if it was Trogdor's beefy arm?

The hard hat also helps to make you look imposingly masculine. Yet you do not yet run so far as to become self-parodic and make it seem very, very gay. Good job with that.

I, uh...what? I can honestly say my own appearance has never aroused me.

Ugly lolzz.

That made me laugh out loud.

Because it is so true! I can't think of a better way to describe sexual orientation.

Chubby to you, sir!

It is the truth, though. It makes so much sense, and even my psych teacher agrees.

My brother asked me once if it was gay it you had sex with a woman that was really a man, but you didn't know. The answer, of course, is no.

Unless you're attracted to him because of the male hormones he's giving off.

Whatever you are all fags. All of you.

It is okay though, because... because I think we could really connect .

My guess it is a number somewhere between zero and none.

Unless of course it is actual lesbian porn, made for lesbians by lesbians.

But if the target market is men, I am guessing not any.

I'm sure the percentage is very small.

I knew someone would say something like this. I even thought about including something like "yeah I know most porn lesbians aren't really lesbians" in my post, but decided against it.

I didn't mean it as an accusation of stupidity. It was more of just a general, actual question. I never had any reason to actually think about it before.

Ah.

Well, I'm sure *some* of them actually are. I'd imagine a number of them call themselves bisexual. But a lot of it probably comes down to "you want me to do what? For how much money? All right."

I think some of it can perhaps be determined behavioristically by the manner in which they act in the scene in question. This is likely not a perfect means, but I'm sure we can at least get some good evidence of some that are only doing it for the money from this.

SJE! Watching people do stuff and determining things from it seems to be the bread and butter of psych, start watching all of this "lesbian" porn and get back to us with the results.

Sorry $GIRLTHATSJELIKES, but he's too busy watching hours upon hours of lesbian pornography to come over and watch pornography with you.

ANDY I DONT WANT YOUR GIANT BOX OF PORNOGRAPHY

Giant box of Porn, not Pornography.

Paul Rudd is one of the best comedic actors of today.

I wasn't making a reference, I was uh... talking to that Andy guy?

shit, I even own that movie and fucked it up. Well at least you corrected me DANIEL PITTMAN and some stranger from the internet.

OH MY GOD DUDE YOU GAVE AWAY MY REAL NAME THAT IS A SECRET ONLY FACEBOOK FRIENDS KNOW WTFWTFWTFWTFWTFWTF

WELL NOW WE ALL KNOW AND YOU ARE GOING TO GET RAPED

*rape*rape*rape*rape*rape*

I was all RAPE...RAPE...

I must've got my rape on six times!

Serially.

How would you parallel rape someone, anyway?

Very carefully.

Just like parallel parking.

I agree. The statistics on this would definitely interest me. I'm sure there is a small number.

The problem is that so much is moving online and we're getting a lot more... well, amateur isn't correct at all, but people who maybe shoot a few videos or maybe only one for the cash one time and don't do anything more. People who are not in the industry as a career. A lot of people try to fake this, but it also seems like there is a fair degree of it out there legitimately.

I suspect that such as Abby Winters might have some actual lesbians, but that might just all be marketing.

Well, I think most are probably just bisexual if anything. I doubt there are very many actual lesbians working in porn. There may be a few, but I suspect it's the minority.

I have often wondered what sort of porn most lesbians are interested in. I mean, most "lesbian" porn is aimed at a straight male audience. Actually, I have some basic ideas, but that's just as simple as going in to Good Vibrations and checking out the selection.

there are lesbians in porn, but they are actresses and... well they are fucking men.

Yes! It is like 10% or something. I saw a . . .. thing on HBO once.

woh really? i just made that shit up.

I'm going to guess 1% and 2% are bi. And only .5% enjoy it.

I will judge artists by whether or not I can listen to any album of theirs more than once.

For me it's:
listen to a whole album -> big fan of band
listen to a song or two -> fan of the song(s), not always the band

Kinda sorta for me too.

I listened to Planet of Ice and did not like it. A month later I tried it again (i will not waste my money dammit) and now it is one of my favorite albums. Concept albums are superb.

Right now I'm trying to decide if I legitimately like HaHa the Moose and Ratatat or just some songs, or if I want to like them for the novelty factor. I usually give it a while, youtube them, then download a few songs, then decide. Sometimes I get an album and decide I don't like a band but I thought I did from the snippets of songs on Amazon or Myspace, like And The Moneynotes, who are basically a one-trick pony, but sometimes that happens then the band matures a million times over in a year's time and release an amazing follow up and I re-like the band (Dr. Dog). Then there are bands I just love the minute I hear them (Delta Spirit, opened for Dr. Dog at a show I went to). So there are varying degrees of like and the means of getting there and WHO CARES BESIDES ME NO ONE.

Big ups to the Dog. I love those dudes. I always go embarass myself fawning over them when they come to my city.

To which amazing Dr. Dog follow-up are you referring, nice? Just curious. I don't think they've ever released immature album.

"an" immature album

I wouldn't call it immature, but "We All Belong" was my intro to them and seemed very monotonous. "Fate" was absolutely GODLY. It completely reversed my opinion on the band and made me go back and listen to "WAB" again and now I appreciate it a bit more; I still don't listen to the whole thing.

I just put 'em both on shuffle, do a J and call it a day.

God damn, what a good band.

"My Friend" and "Hang On" are on my 25 most played list and have been since the summer. Best $13.09 I ever spent.

Oh, and if you haven't heard Easy Beat and Takers and Leavers, do youself a favor and find them.

God damn, what a good, good, good-ass band

I haven't, so I'm going to finally buy something from iTunes when I get back from class.

Even Toothbrush, their more clap-trap first record, has just some GOURGEOUS songs on it. Also their old band Raccoon is cool too, in a different, and no doubt less mature, way.

I fucking love Ratatat. I can megaupload them and toss you a link, if you would like.

I actually borrowed Ratatat and Classic from a friend, I'm just still figuring out if I like them or not, but that's hard because I left them at home and now they're like 100 miles away so.

LP3 is fairly decent, I like it also.

I think it's because they suck. I liked them in middle school, but that was just around the time that Get a Grip came out and they were riding out the end of their late 80s Permanent Vacation/Pump comeback. If you like them past middle school you have problems. Or it's the 1970s. I can see how they could be appreciated in their time and place. They are not good now though.

Oh man, nail on the head. There are totally middle school bands, bands you really shouldn't listen to after middle school or like sophomore year of high school. Here's the list based on my own experience:
Led Zeppelin
Aerosmith
AC/DC
Pink Floyd (no really, enough obsessing, 14 year old stoners)
Metallica
Van Halen
Black Sabbath

You get the idea. There's a lot more. For hours of fun add your own! But remember, no cusses!

When I was in middle school I listened to Aqua and boyzone...

I've only heard of one of those, but I think I get the idea.

I really like Pink Floyd. They are one of my favorite bands.

I was never a fourteen-year-old stoner.

We have had this discussion before.

I am trying not to flame you. But really, when you bait me like this, what do you expect?

It is perfectly OK to say you don't like the band. It is not OK to insult me while you do it.

Seriously. I think an apology is in order.

NO ANALOGIES!

Nevermind, you said apology.

hey sje, look there is a cute girl. do you think she is cute? go talk to her man.

HEY YOU GIRL MY FRIEND SJE THINKS YOU ARE CUTE WILL YOU COME HAVE LUNCH WITH US AND MAYBE WATCH A MOVIE!

*cries*

Please. Girls don't like me if they know I like them.

Ain't that always the way.

Jack Palance is a dead actor. He died two years ago, at age 87.

Even in the 1990s, when he was in his 70s, many women thought of him as sexy. So much so that he did commercials for some cologne or other.

And the tag line for the commercials was, "Confidence is always sexy."

It's not so much that they don't like you because they know you like them. It's that they are turned off by the fact that they can tell that you care if they like you.

If they think you don't care, that makes you much more attractive to them. If they think you care, it makes you seem needy.

God, listen to me giving advice as if I knew what I was talking about. Well, I have been married twice, so I have fooled convinced at least two women that I was worth their time.

It is pretty much true. When I ignore girls they talk to me, when I reply they don't. Fucking physcotic.

I can ignore a girl and like her and she won't like me, and I can talk to her and she still won't, and then I can ignore a girl I don't like and she'll talk to me and I can talk to her and she'll talk to me. So.

You mean Volodymyr Palanyuk?
Didn't Billy Crystal call him a saddle with eyes in City Slickers?
I thought that was so fricken hilarious, such an old-country yiddishism Billy slips in there.
Ein sattel mit oygen!

Hey, I never thought he was sexy.

I am a girl and I am chubbying this comment.

You think she is cute, this hardly means you like her.

unless you are just a shallow cockmonster. are you a shallow cockmonster sje?

I like this girl. But yes, I am.

Damn, I was going to say anal orgies again.

I wasn't purposely trying to bait you (I honestly forgot with whom the argument was), and I wasn't calling every Floyd fan a 14 year old stoner, just that 14 year old stoners usually like them.

Don't look for an argument out of me because I don't ever want to have one with people online or in real life ever ever ever. We smokem peace pipe right here right now or you can just add me to your ignore list. Seriously, I'd rather you don't see what I have to say than take it as an insult, but I'm generally a nice person so I don't want you to. I never thought of you as an extremely excitable or rude user, so I don't expect you to.

Apology accepted.

I would appreciate if you refrained from implying that anyone who likes one of my favorites bands is a 14-year-old stoner though.

Should I ask everyone here what their favorite band is and deny the fact that any 14 year old stoners might listen to them whenever I speak of them in the future? Because I'll make a poll, goddammit. Or is it ok to say that since I was referring to the band in relation to 14 year old stoners, so what I said was warranted? NO MORE ARGUING NO MORE ARGUING NO MORE ARGUING NO MORE ARGUING .

Sorry, didn't mean to be arguing.

But yes, if you don't want to get into an argument, you should avoid saying any band* is only appreciated by 14-year-old stoners. Because no matter how crappy you think the band is, someone out there will be a fan, and feel insulted.

*or any book, TV show, movie, whatever.

I know, I know, but I wasn't doing that, or I didn't mean to.

OK, I will try to remember that.

Hey man! ::holds up hands for double high five::

I'm gonna have to leave you hanging there buddy.

It wasn't FOR you, but I can understand anyone wanting to leave me hanging. I've been putting my foot in my mouth concerning music today, so I'm done talking about that.

Agreed. I will take that apology by proxy as well, but that was not an acceptable thing for him to do.

Hey. Hey. Two of these things are not like the others.

Black Sabbath (at least up through Volume 4 ) and Pink Floyd are great, I don't care how old you are.

I don't mind certain songs from either but I've seen the whole middle school/high school thing where one takes the big most commercially successful eras of them and tout them as their big discovery and become the dreaded fanboy. I know because I once was like this with: AC/DC, Led Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix, from around 8th grade to 10th.

i never went through a classic rock phase. i went right from shitty nu-metal to the major indie rock "training bra" bands, as my friend used to say (pixies, sonic youth, my bloody valentine). i just missed all those bands completely, and now, at twenty years of age, i love rocking out to led zeppelin, completely without irony.

basically, i think you're after the wrong thing here...what gets my goat is people my age, born after the Reagan era for fuck's sake, who still think "classic rock" is the only good music that was ever made. that shit is just ignorant. those people are the lame fourteen year old stoners you're thinking of, getting really into and essentially co-opting the pop culture experience that belongs to a previous generation. in reality, all of those bands have produced material that is Okay to enjoy on some level. in my opinion.

then again, rod stewart's greatest hits collection was one of the first cassettes i owned, and i love "do ya think i'm sexy?" so.

Well you know what I mean then.

My Bloody Valentine. MY BLOODY FUCKING VALENTINE.

They are SO GOOD. They are SO GODDAMN GOOD that I cannot express my love for them without profanity.

I mean FUCKING SHIT I LOVE MY BLOODY VALENTINE.

This is a band you are talking about? Not the slasher flick?

Yes.

If you do not know this band, you need to listen to their album Loveless . It is just about the best album ever recorded in the history of recording.

I wouldn't go that far, but it is a good album and a definitely classic of shoegaze.

have you heard Slowdive?

Yeah, I don't like them as much.

i loved MBV very much for a very long time, and i still do. but i wore myself out on them after awhile, and Slowdive just kept growing on me. it saddens me how underappreciated they are.

I dunno, maybe I should give them another chance. It's been a few years since I've listened to them.

My Bloody Valentine is weird for me. Sometimes it will hit me perfectly, and I get transported and go "yeah, shit, yeah". Other times I fall asleep and can't figure out one song from another. I don't know where I stand with them.

I grew up on classic rock and I never understood the current trend to trash on it.

I did too, but I think sifting through the morass is key when you come of age. Separating The Beatleses from the Gary Glitters, if you know what I mean.

3DOORSDOWN

The Better Life as a whole is definitely an album I can listen to. Not sure about anything else they did.

That is the album I have. Sometimes I find it in the middle of my compact discs, and I try it out. I hate krptonite but i love Down Poison. I used to set that album on repeat and play Diablo 2 for days.

That's actually a pretty good list. I mean even if a given band doesn't start sucking like Metallica did, don't you just get tired of being obsessed with the same band for years and years, going on about them, buying and wearing their t-shirts, attending their shows, etc? I wouldn't go so far as to say you shouldn't listen to them, but yea, if I meet someone in their late 20's who conspicuously advertises himself as a Metallica fan, something's just not right. It's like "well, duh, but don't you listen to anything else ?"

This thread of discussion is getting to the point where I'd prefer the rape one.

Really, why is it your business if someone enjoys a band? Does it make them a worse person to like Load?

Indubitably.

Yeah they are pretty much worse as a person. That isn't exactly a bad thing, I am a terrible person myself.

Definitely a worse person. If they defend St. Anger then they are worst person.

SAINT ANGER 'ROUND MAH NEYECK!

SHE NEVER GETS RESPECK

i dont, um, uh... that is the only part i know. sorry stereo.

Don't worry, that's about the entire lyrics of the song.

There might be a verse but I wouldn't bet money on it.

SAINT ANGER 'ROUND MAH NEYECK, SHE NEVER GET REE SPEYEK! TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

alright cool, let's sell this.

i heard it at a party, i was digging a grave with my friends. we kept trying to get a drunk kid to fall in, didn't work.

whiskey in the jaryooo?

"Dude, rape chicks all you want, I really don't care. Just...just stop listening to Load."

It's probably unfair, but it's definitely true that I've never known a good person who liked Load.

No they do not, because other bands are NOT metallia. Man you just don't understand. You just DON'T GET IT DUDE!

That is more along the lines of what I meant than what I said. Thanks for clarifying.

Let's call them starter bands.

Are you saying this about They Might Be Giants? Because if you are we will be having words .

Not at all, I think they're lovely. I don't really listen to them, but they're fine I guess. No opinion.

That was directed at elbox.

Oh. No, not at all. I don't remember anyone being conspicuously obsessed with TMBG even when I was younger. They seem like more of a band that people enjoy in a quiet and understated manner, perhaps with a knowing nod and half-smile towards those who feel likewise.

I thought I knew what being obsessed with Them was, but then I saw Gigantic and I found out that I was wrong and some people are REALLY obsessed with Them.

Oh thank God.

I think TMBG is somewhat like Talking Heads, i.e. a band that eludes any classification.

I have quite enjoyed the TMBG songs I have heard, but for whatever reason I have never purchased any of their music.

I think there's a difference between being obsessed with a band and still enjoying their music.

This, at least the previous list, seemed to imply that there is a shelf life during which you can enjoy certain things before you have to admit that they are silly and you were wrong to like them. In my mind you should never like shitty things and if something was good it is still good. There are, of course, lapses and changes, but saying that "Metallica is something that only a middle schooler should like because they do not know better yet"... that's not something I can agree with and I get hell of complaints about being a musical elitist.

I believe it was Eliot who said "That is not it at all. That is not what I meant at all." See below.

Fuck you. Seriously man, fuck you.

You do not get to put Led Zeppelin on that list. Or Pink Floyd (obsessive fans are one thing, but that's not enough to deserve it), or early, good Metallica, or Sabbath.

If you can find something that rocks harder than "Panama" well, I'd like to fucking see it. That is quite possibly one of the best songs ever written about partying (even if it is not, technically, about partying, as a song partying is what it is about)).

AC/DC... well, they're on the cusp, but I can see what you're going for there.

Still, no, BAD NICE-ON-WATER!

Hey, I can and still rock to songs from all those guys, but I'm talking the obsessive elitists. Like I said before, my wording might have been off.

I thought I liked AC/DC, then I had listened to the AC/DC channel for a week. I don't really like them, but I like some of their songs.

That's exactly my point. I need other people to articulate my apparently elitism for me.

I saw them play back in... hrmm.. '01 or so? Stiff Upper Lip tour. They put on a good show. There was a giant moving statue that had glowing eyes and horns and blew smoke. Was a good time.

Well, I think that The Rolling Stones support and deny your theory, as they are no longer good (and this is coming from a fan who saw them twice, but regretted it only once)

classic song that rocks =/= Classic rock

That explains why I can't get into in of this 'new' music I've been listening too, pretty soon I be a sit-down-baths-only type of guy.

Last year I heard Eve6 being played at Winn-Dixie

Toss in some Harvey Danger's Flag Pole Sitta and you've got a shopping experience to remember!

all the cretins cloning and feeding ?

I don't even own a TV.

I call TV television because TV is a nickname and nicknames are for friends and I am no friend of television.

well, you wanna listen to some CD's...? *sniff, glazed stare*

Are we doing the same thing?

I will respond for lightupafatty:

Yes.

Now take out your phonograph.

Keep the chonge.

one.....donut.....that....is.....made.......out.......of......jam

I only watch foreign films.

oh fuck you beat me to it and now i look like a dork, but i will save face by offering a high five!

it's OK. Bob as Droopy bears repeating.
So is that like a DAT player?

"ok, uh...for my last doughnut choice i will have......aaaaaa.....doughnut....maaaaade....outtttt...ooooof......jam."

i always have a chubby for Mr. Show.

I was never a diehard fan but some skits gave me chubbies, like that one.

dude, batman probably has tv's in his cufflinks

he has fuckin, he has god damn cell phone laser vision man. holy shiiit i'm on cocaine.

I own four, each with it's own gaming system. Snes, Snes, PS2, Snes.

I have all kinds of mad respect for a man with 3 SNESes (SNI?)

Hey that is cool, I am sure I will lose any respect you may hold for me. Soon.

Just ask this snapping fellow *down*

You couldn't stick just ONE Sega Genesis in there?

Kind of off topic, but do we have any Sega Channel veterans in the house? God, that was as awesome as it was short-lived.

Don't tell me you actually played Golden Axe III when they released it on there. I never had it, so my disappointment only came in ROM format years later.

I honestly don't remember whether or not I played that when it came out on Sega Channel. In that way, the service was wasted on me, I guess. Played a hell of a lot of Mega Bomberman, though.

The PS2 is already fulfilling his affirmative action requirements.

I don't have a Genesis, it is my roomate's. He has two.

Well I suppose he isn't my roomate anymore so I should probably return his sega...

Can we keep talking about video games and video game systems please?

Odyssey game console, released in 1972. You could play different paddle games!

And the first game console I had available to me was a Heath Kit console that my granddad built in 1977. It had three different games on it!!! You could play player versus player , or player versus game!!!

I didn't play another game console until the 90s when my step kids brought a Nintendo with them to the marriage. They later got a Nintendo 64 or SuperNES or whatever it was that their dad's mom bought them.

I never played them much. Such games require manual dexterity, and I am severely lacking in that department.

We are now talking about how X-Com was fucking boss. Damn that was a great game. Terror from the Deep... eh, not so much. Was much like expansion pack, yes?

Apropos of very little, I've always liked the song "Sad Sweetheart Of the Rodeo" from the album after that.

Wow, that comment really had no value to anyone, anywhere, at any time. Before the Web, it would've stayed properly in my head, bothering no one.

awksedperl, you just disrupted the flow of this conversation. How come?

Because, unfortunately, I have talent for for doing it unintentionally. Many a night have I sat at a table, slowly apprehending that the new long silence is my fault. Then I have another beer.

They played at my college last year and I wanted to cry because they were headlining Gavin DeGraw. I hate both.

Red Hot Chili Peppers plays on classic rock stations in my area. This fact scares me .

Because they are awful?

Well, that and because to me it's still a fairly current band.

Plus they play GREEN DAY on the classic rock station too, and not anything from their older albums. They play I Hope You Have The Time of Your Life.

No, they play Good Riddance.

I apologize profusely.

AKA The Song That Is Played at High School Graduations and Proms Everywhere Without Any Sense of Irony.

Hipsters singing to In Bloom without irony rates up there for me.

It depends on whether they actually like and appreciate Nirvana or if they're the type that the song is about. Since they're hipsters though it's probably the latter.

My brother's 8th grade graduation had it. No one noticed the eff word.

Or the title, apparently.

Indeed. That song was made to be played over a terrible montage at your graduation. It is awful. Green Day, in total, are terrible though.

Lay off the Chilis, dude. John Frusciante is the greatest rock guitarist of our generation.

Say whaaaaaaaaaat.

I know what you mean. I'm only a few years younger, but I feel amazingly disconnected from people born only a few years later.

It really feels like '81 was the cut-off for the end of Gen X at times. I just don't get the kids these days.

And we don't get you old-timer. Put that in your appropriately-dated pipe and smoke it.

Pipe? I keep a snuff box young man. I shall soon use it to snuff out your sass mouth!

IS THERE A SPECIAL KIND OF SNUFF THAT HELPS YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE BEING A DICK TO PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNGER BECAUSE I'LL GET OUT MY CREDIT CARD RIGHT NOW GOD DAMMIT

Hang your laundry from THAT line, sasshole.

The only thing that hangs from my asshole, is nothing.

When was I a dick? I just said I don't get the younger generation. Then you totally blew up on me in what I first thought was a humorous fashion and now this.

Tut-tut, this is to be expected from the crass and callow youth.

I just meant the self-righteousness of how silly the younger people are oh ho but I was kidding, I just wanted to use the S.O.-S.A.D./dessert restaurant reference.

You are such a dick all of the times Belgand, why are you always such a dick to everyone?

Hey, there were times when he talked to me that he wasn't a dick.

He is not a dick all of the times.

yes he is, every moment of every day.

I guess I must be. I mean, Zapatos definitely knows dick. I will trust in his learned opinion.

I shall now go into the West and be gone forever more.

you are rad, Belgand, you are RAD

But... but... you are congratulating me for saying nice things earlier. I am now dick ? What did I do to be thought of like this?

*weeps repeatedly*

stop being such a dick, it is unbecoming.

Man I am only being facetious, or sarcastic. I am basically making fun of NonW

cue yakity sax

I vaguely remember that the children's Hypercolor tshirts were not as awesome as the adult verions and this is something I still haven't come to terms with : (

Hypercolor looked like mold to me.

They were the colors of the future... just not our future.

Even awesomer. The colors of the future... in another dimension! IN SPACE! RAD!!!

Guys...what...what was Hypercolor?

Hypercolor shirts were made from a fabric which showed everyone that you had been touched on the tits if you had been touched on the tits 'cause it changed color where you'd been touched which was on the tits.

Hypertits.

"Tits 2: Hypertits is the sequel of the science fiction/horror movie Tits. Released in 2002, Hypertits had a bigger budget than its predecessor, and a new director, Andrzej Seku%u0142a.

The industrial-style tits of the first movie are replaced with high-tech, brightly-lit chambers; the plausible technology of the tits %u2014 flamethrowers and extending spikes %u2014 are replaced with floating objects with razor-sharp blades and translucent walls that decompose matter. The Tits Rooms, that the main Tits is composed of, are not separate entities that move but simply the same Tits in different times. Different chambers inside the titteract also distort gravity, time and space, leading to alternate realities."

So I'm pretty sure Hypertits had nothing to do with color. They took that motif out.

And Jesus God, I hope someone gets that joke.

"There's always Internet porn."
"Oh, nice . Wehhhhhh!" *makes ridiculous imitation of masturbating motion*

I got it potatoes9000

He just changed "cube" to "tits," or is there something else I'm missing?

You're missing everything if you actually watched Hypercube.

Never watched it--just aware that there was such a thing, although the reason eludes me.

the idiot-savant escapes.

I got it so hard and it was great.

Would you see Tits Zero, the third in the trilogy, because it had "tits" in the title, or would you not go because it had "zero" in the title?

Do hypertits have color? I rest my case.

Ladies, do your breasts grow and shrink and size? Have you previously attributed this behavior to diet, water retention, or your monthly cycle? Ladies, you may have HyperTits. Your boobs are not changing in size but actually jiggling in the 4th dimension. In our primitive 3-D perception, we experience this motion as a mysterious oscillation in size. For even and comfortable support of your HyperTits across all spatial dimensions, try the HyperBra with tesseract cup technology.

There aren't enough chubbies in the world for this.

We can try though.

My HyperTits chubbied it from the 4th dimension.

Titsseract

They are so hyper

https://achewood.com/index.php?date=10152007

EARTH HAS 4 CORNER
SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY
TIME TITS
IN ONLY 24 HOUR ROTATION.
4 Corner TIME, TITSES EARTH.

I am a Knower of 4 corner
simultaneous 24 hour Days
that occur within a single
4 quadrant rotation of Earth. I have so much to teach you, but
you ignore me you evil asses.
You will recognize 4 corner Days
or incur Easter Island Ending.
KNOW TITS, OR HELL.
Education and Religion
severely diminishes your
intelligence and mentality,
instituting ONEness Evil,
You are educated stupid -
and you have no inkling to
just how EVIL you think. NASA's Moon Landing was
far less of an achievement
than Time tits discovery,
for I have titsEd the Earth,
with 4 simultaneous corner
days in 1 rotation of Earth.
If ignorant of the almighty
Time tits Creation Truth,
you deserve to be killed
Ignorance of the Time tits, Life tits &
Ineffable Truth tits, indicts you Stupid.
Ignoring Cubic Creation indicts you evil.
Singularity God impossible. 4 Earth Quadrants simultaneously rotate
inside 4 Time tits Quarters to create 4
- 24 hour days within one Earth rotation.

Dr. El Scoob, Titic and Wisest Human.

Hi.

There is not enough appreciation of Timecube. A friend of mine interviewed him for her zine. She also had a rather nice article on visiting Centralia, Pennsylvania.

I pray you did not allow a friend of the ladylike persuasion near that man unescorted.

It was on the phone. We are not that good of friends though. We are Internet friends though we have occasionally exchanged the mixed tapes that are so enjoyable.

Also, if you live in West Philadelphia Timecube is not the greatest of your worries.

Is it the couple of guys that are up to no good making trouble in your neighborhood?

I do not know. I have no desire to visit Philadelphia. I have relatives that live in the suburbs there and now some friends of mine since high school just moved to the area, but I have no desire to ever go there again. Actually, I desire a cheese steak right now, but that's it. Oh and a soft pretzel. And maybe a knish, but that's not so much a Philadelphia thing. Pit beef sandwiches sound awesome as well, but there's even less chance I'll ever go anywhere even remotely near Baltimore.

Regional foods bother me. It is like someone is oppressing me somehow by keeping it all to themselves. I am filled with an odd sort of rage by it. They need to make these things widely available to me as well. I mean, Chipotle has brought SF-style burritos to everyone else even if they're a watered-down version that is grossly inferior to even the more mediocre local taquerias. Except we all deserve to have good versions of these things. Equality and unity through delicious foodstuffs people.

Please immigrate and bring recipes.

Around here it's partly a matter of supply. Mangos and avocados and other Mexican staples just don't grow locally, so it's never as good as "the real thing".

He seems like the sort of guy who poops with the door open on Thanksgiving, and yells at his cats while doing so.

As in "underground mine fire" Centralia, PA? Does she have a PO Box where I can write for said zine?

Yes and I do not think it is still in production. That might not have been in the zine though, but visiting abandoned mental asylums definitely was. She did an internship with Troma one summer and made the existential zombie film "Amid the Dead" (which I believe is free up on Archive.org).

The zine itself was only about three or four issues. The sort of thing you do in college.

Search around for "Thermidor" if you wish though, but from my own search just now the page it was on is no longer available and I had to get it out of Google's cache.

Hypercolor shirts and tits on girls my age entered my life at the exact same time, as if sent by the good lord above to make it seem like I was staring at a new shirt technology instead of at the sort of tits whose temperature I'd now have to break the law to measure by shirt or otherwise.

Hypercolor = Dippin' Dots you can wear!!!

My Mum promised me both a Hypercolor t-shirt and a pair of Reebok Pumps and never delivered. Fucking child abuse, that's what that is. To this day I have a Reebok Pump fetish.

DRACULA AIN'T GOT MUCH MONEY TODAY MUWHAHAHAHA.

Rest is good for the blood.

Strange, I had almost the exact same situation and all I ended up with was a your Mum fetish

OOOH DEEP BURN

rub some sweet cream on it.

All Hypercolor did was show everyone where you sweat too much.

In some cases...everywhere.

This is how the disease is gonna make itself known.

Honry-onset diabetes, where's Wilfred Brimley?

with your wife


daaamn

all i'm sayin man is oatmeal all over the bed, all over the kitchen counter, all over the patio, insulin smeared across her inner thighs...

Wilfred Brimley is some bizarre hybrid of platonic ideals: half raging oatmeal elemental, half diabetes elemental. He leaves a sticky, conflicting trail of brown sugar, diet dr. pepper and insulin needles in his jowly wake.

All autre is saying is that it gets messy when he gets it on with pogo's wife.

"Intimate things, Mitch... Oral, and whatnot."

I don't recall him saying oral. If anything that doesn't seem so intimate to me. Getting blown by some island skank on the beach? A problem, yeah, but it could be a lot worse.

I also still have to remember him from fucking Absence of Malice . I wish I could forget everything about that damn film.

Listen, and enjoy!
(The sentence starts at about 1:19, if you want to skip to it...

How'd you like them Quaker oats, Mitch?

half Porn Elemental...

Now I can't stop thinking about the Dana Gould routine playing off those oatmeal ads. Which is actually pretty good so I'm not to worried. Still, it's stuck in my head.

Daaaayum, you eating oatmeal with his moms?

Eatin O with the M? I feel like listening to Black Sheep now.

Do we really have to continue this rape discussion from the last board? I mean, damn.

MY FATHER RAPED A MAN ONCE.

I raped a puppy last night. Shit was so cash.

I WILL REPOST LONG MONOLOGUES FROM ALL YOUR FAVORITE MOVIES TO BE ABOUT RAPE IF YOU DO NOT STOP THIS MEME,

(now i just want to see these long monologues). i was raped by a puppy once. shit was, in fact, not cash at all

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the penises of the selfish and the tender young asses of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good head, rapes the weak through the valley of their asscrack, for he is truly his brother's rapist and the molester of lost children. And I will skeet down upon thee with great vengeance and furious tugging those who attempt to fondle and fellate my brothers. And you will know my name is The Lord when I lay my scrotum upon thee. And I will execute great rape upon them with furious thrusts; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my scrotum upon them.

God dang it elbox
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There's this passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the raper is beset on all sides by the inequities of the raped and the tyranny of rape enablers. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the raped through the valley of the rapeness, for he is truly his brother's raper and the raper of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great rapance and furious rape those who attempt to rape and sodomize my brothers. And you will know my name is Rapey McGee when I lay my peepee upon thee. And I will execute great bukkake upon them with furious nonconsensual sex; and they shall know that I am THERAPIST, when I shall thrust my junk into thee." I been saying that shit for years. And if you heard it, that meant your ass. I never gave much thought to what it meant. I just thought it was some cold-blooded rapage to say to a motherraper before I raped a raped in his rape. But I saw some rape this morning made me think about rape . .. TWICE. See, now I'm thinking, maybe it means you're the evil raper, and I'm the cherry rapee. And Mr. 9mm here, he's the chastity belt protecting my righteous hymen in the chasm of pinkness. Or, it could mean you're the child and I'm the trusted priest and it's the world that's prudish and evil. I'd hit that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the slave. And I'm the gimp of evil men. But I'm hard, Rapo. I'm cumming real hard to be in the shepherd.
RAPERAPERAPREAPREPRARAPERAPEGRAPE

END OF MEME.

If you guys don't understand, Elbox plagiarize me. I posted the above yesterday, for the last strip. But he did it better. I was more parodying the meme than anything.

You might not believe this, but I actually posted that independently. I decided to stop reading the last strip's comments after the argument got way out of hand because I had shit to do and I realized that Biff was basically copy/pasting the same two sentences without bothering to respond to any specific points anyone brought up against him. I didn't even see the feminist argument break out, which I am glad for.

This was just the first thing that came to mind when I thought of movie monologues. I imagine you came to it by a similar process. It is interesting to compare the two versions. Great minds think alike?

Nah, man, I believe you. You are an English graduate student,m or something. You know plagiarism is wrong.

To rape, or not to rape--that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them. To die, to rape--
No more--and by a rape to say we end
The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to rape--
To rape--perchance to cum: ay, there's the rub,
For in that rape of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus take
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make rapists of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of cocks,
And enterprise of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name erection. -- Soft you now,
The fair Ophelia! -- Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered.

I was going to post a conversation I had, but it is too tl;dr. So here is the summary:

I asked a girl on a date, she said maybe. "Maybe? Maybe is the worst thing you could possibly say, you could say, "fuck you rapist!" and it wouldn't be as bad as maybe."

She replies, "that would be funny, if I hadn't been raped."

Oh shit. Well, I still got the date...

You, sir, are and idiot :)

Yeah I know right, no rape jokes before the second date. I can't believe I forgot!

Damn. I can't believe you still got the date after that.

Yeah, we're going to go watch giftmas fireworks and snuggle with a thermos of hot cocoa. She says she doesn't put out, I am hoping she isn't a liar.

That sounds a lot like watching Fourth of July fireworks here. I shit you not. It is fucking freezing cold on the Fourth. If you do not bring warm drinks and heavy blankets you will freeze your ass off.

I find the presence of fireworks at any time other than the Fourth to be odd. It seems like it is related exclusively to it.

Oh wait, Lunar New Year. But that's it.

Actually, are fireworks also a major part of the Autumn Moon Festival as well? Fuck, I need to recall that. I'll support them for that too as well. Asian holidays totally get a pass for fireworks.

Where the hell do you live? Greenland?

San Francisco. Summer is the coldest season here because the warm air from inland comes out and hits the cold air coming in from the ocean and we get covered in tremendous amounts of fog. Considering that the cold ocean air also keeps it rather chilly here much of the time to begin with when we lose the sun we also lose almost all of our heat. There are occasional nice days in the summer, but it's not common. People still run the heat during the summer. They also complain if it goes up to 76 F because they can't deal with such a heat wave.

Considering that the city fireworks are down at the waterfront (although it's on the bay side of the penninsula, not the ocean side so it's a little bit better) it's extra-cold there.

Mark Twain supposedly once said:

The coldest winter I ever saw was the summer I spent in San Francisco.

He did not say it though. Everyone else constantly does, however. I was afraid someone would repeat that.

In Roughing It Twain says rather complimentary things about the climate here. I find it a bit odd, but perhaps it was more agreeable to him and in the days before air conditioning I can see how people might not care for very warm weather though I personally love it. I do not want the temperature to ever go below 70.

I do not want to live in LA though. This is the conundrum.

It also bear mentioning that although we are surrounded by ocean it is never warm enough to go in the water, the beaches suck, and the water is murky and filled with dangerous rip tides. All the shipping moved to Oakland and we don't have much in the way of commercial fishing these days either if I am understanding correctly. The ocean is basically just a source of pain for me. I want to go down to the pier and buy fresh fish from some guy getting it off his boat. Why is that so much to ask?

I used to hate fireworks. Then I found that girls seem to like fireworks, and snuggling, and maybe holding hands. So now I hell of dig on fireworks.

Why did you dislike them? Are you a dog? Fireworks are awesome. I did not know that anyone, especially male, dislike them.

I was young and ignorant.

They were loud, it was a Canadian winter, and I was locked in the car with my annoying cousins.

Oh yeah, Canada . That's the great thing about Independence Day being for fireworks in the US: it's warm. Well, in most places it is. So it's a nice, pleasant evening to be outside and lay on a blanket with a special lady or just sit outside after a nice day of grilling meat and watching things explode.

If she really doesn't put out, you can always rape her. Apparently this is acceptable in our culture? I only found out a couple days ago.

No, it's if you can convince her she wants it. Cause that's rape too. Coercion n shit.

It is not only acceptable, it is required.

I hope she doesn't put out, I haven't had a decent girlfriend in years.

Are you incapable of dating a woman who puts out? Why should this be a problem?

it should not be a problem, but it is. ladies say they don't just give it up and then three hours later i'm shooting my load on her ass. they fucking LIE to me man, it hurts.

I don't know, I'm looking for romance. True romance though, not just flowers and blowjobs. I'm looking for a girl who can kick my ass at video games and who rocks way harder than me. I want to fall in love again.

While those are awesome things to be certain, can you not have that and also be shooting your load in her ass? Maybe afterwards you could play video games.

Maybe it is just the women you are dating though. Maybe you should be meeting women in other ways. Sadly I do not know the way to find a hot Asian girl who rocks on the bass and owns a Street Fighter II cabinet. If I did I would probably not tell you until I had availed myself of the same.

Perhaps there is a local college with an anime club or such? Would be good way to meet ladies who share interests. Or some other group. I do not generally know how to meet people even for friends. I have made perhaps one friend in the past five years. I just don't know how people do it.

...

maybe, on the internet? chicks in anime clubs are not the cool kind of nerd-chicks. they are generally socially awkward, sometimes with homely or chubby thrown in. they are not witty, just ripe with anime trivia and quotes. i am speaking only from experience (my high school anime club), THIS IS NOT ALL GIRLS AT ALL ANIME CLUBS OK GEEZ.

i'm not good at making new friends either. that is, i have a hard time finding people i deem cool enough to be my friend. i am so hard up for cool chick friends i cry at night sometimes just thinking about it. i need to get over the fact that most chicks are just not as awesome as me. (barring assetbar chicks of course)

The problem with the Internet is that while there is a greater pool to meet people from the same reason that is possible also makes it more likely that they are not local people with which you can become more physical friends with.

Such as with Assetbar. There are many cool people here, but to find them all we had to pull people from around the world to find this concentration of coolness. Reduce the sample size and you're back to square one.

I realize there are problems with clubs and groups, but it seems like an easier way to meet people in meat space that are not just there to look for people to have sex with and also to find those who share your interests.

i suggest, are you ready for this, THE GREAT ASSETBAR MIGRATION.

dude, let's all hella move from our lame ass states to like, um, an even better state, with assetpeople.

currently, i'm on the job market. that is, i'm about to graduate so i'm up for grabs by consulting firms, insurance companies.. probably not gonna apply for many if any i-banking jobs anymore considering the economy, but yea. basically, i get to move anywhere i fucking want. probably either nyc or sanfran, though, realistically. nyc for the banks, sanfran if i wanna do green consulting. but i mean, anyone can move, right? anyone can get a new job, right? we all have college degrees here, right? DO YOU GET WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU?

You should totally move to San Francisco. It is a great place. It is also closer to Achewood. This alone ought to be the right reason to choose it.

We also do have a pretty decent hold on the financial industry or so I am lead to believe.

Getting a new job is basically the most impossible thing I have ever tried to do in my entire life. I've been looking for a job for about four years now.

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I've been looking for a job for about four years now.


DUDE. that's brutal. are you a philosophy major? i am a philosophy major but also an econ major. it's called "covering your ass". it's also called "not being financially cut off by your traditional asian parents who already think you are a failure anyway".

seriously though, where and how have you been looking. that just does not sound right.

If you are saying, "Stu we should start talkig, we should get a place together." I am totally down.

YES.

I am down.
(I have no degree yet)

I have this problem where I generally hate other girls right off the bat until they prove themselves worthy of my companionship.

The opposite can be said of my opinion on men.

This does not say much about me.

oh no! this is just terrible! why would you do that?

maybe this is why i have no cool girl friends! *cries*

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i am so hard up for cool chick friends

Hey-o? I'm sorry, I can't actually give you a heartfelt hey-o because this is a problem for me too. I can't exactly be too picky with friends at a new school where I know basically no one, so I just try to be friendly and hope for the best. But geez, it is hella hard finding nerdy-ish girls in my grade. I mean, there are gals who get good grades, but... I dunno how to explain it... they don't actively want to learn on their own? Actually, I think that's a good way to explain it. I can forget about learning interesting things from them, and they don't really read a lot on their own, from what I know (I would read a ton more had I the time), except whatever's popular right now, which is Twilight because 'OMFG eDwRd CulLnz soo HOTT!' (Good to know that I can write a popular teen series just by describing the main character as 'super-hot'). Actually, odd story by the way, I had to explain to two girls what sodomy was (We were writing up a quick thing on prior knowledge of ancient Greece.
Them: Okay, let's see. They invented democracy, right?
Me: Right, okay. *writes it down* Hmmm, well, they were all about the sodomy, I know that.
Them: Huh? What's sodomy?
Me: Umm...let's see...when a daddy and a daddy love each other very much...)
But anyway, I feel bad for not thinking my classmates are rad enough for me (my definition of rad, anyhow), because people can't really help their IQ or interests, and it's terrible to think I'm too good for them or something, because I'm sure they could possibly be lovely, interesting people, if I got to know them well enough. But... I don't know. I always feel like I'm either putting too much or too little faith in people. Anyhoo, I hope to find a few, or at least one rad person who wants to be friends with me. And even not-so-rad people are welcome!

That's just God's way of telling you He doesn't exist.

You hand out with twenty to eighty year olds on the internet, and are able to keep up with our rantings.

I think maybe the kids your age really aren't good enough for you. Its not an ego dumpling, you're just radder than they are.

This man speaks the truth. You can tell this because he is obviously not attempting to have sex with you. In this case, what reason has he to lie? None. You are too rad for these girls. When you are in college there is a much greater chance that you will meet dudes and girls who are also very rad. There is also the chance that you won't and will just see them on the Internet still and wonder why they don't seem to be near you. This is the way of things and it sucks. But still, there is a stronger chance for awesome. Do not despair.

the girls who like anime here, they are not what i am looking for. i have dated a few of them and ugh.

basically i need to move, this town is stifling.

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it should not be a problem, but it is. ladies say they don't just give it up and then three hours later i'm shooting my load on her ass. they fucking LIE to me man, it hurts.


see, this is why i don't "give it up", not to be a bitch or to make the dude's life a living hell. sometimes it's just more fun that way. like, why deprive the man of his chase? this dude, the same dude i was talking about who stopped calling me, would come over, and we'd watch some weird movie (flower of flesh and blood got us into a pretty interesting discussion on the effects of E), and then begin this cat and mouse chase. dude was on the wrestling team, but at our school, jocks still aren't really jocks. so then the makeouts would begin and he'd start grabbing me and tossing me around and i'll try to get out of his grasp by twisting or kneeing or biting and he'd be able to throw me and maneuver me in such a skillful manner that all of a sudden i'm on the table, and all of a sudden i'm on the floor with little to no impact, and all of a sudden i'm on the wooden railing of my third-floor porch and my whole upper body is hanging off the side and rain is pouring down my hair and stomach and the only thing keeping me from falling is this dudes hands holding the sides of my thighs. and then he'd pull me back up, and slapping and neck biting will ensue. and then we'll calm down and i'll give him an unforced kiss and then the erotic stuff's over and we start talking about Marcuse and grindcore. then he'd go home and i'd be hella fulfilled, glowing even. next day scratches all down my back, bruises all on my arms and collarbones. man, i'm be lying if i said i didn't miss the guy.

what the fuck

i've managed to creep out tekende!

it is a NEW ERA! of AWESOMENESS!

I think it was less creeping out, and more...

well i know that i'm aroused.

I wouldn't say I'm aroused. Or creeped out, really. Just...bewildered.

I thought maybe the reason not to give it up is so that you don't then have dudes going online and talking about shooting loads on your ass. At least that's why I don't give it up.

that too.

oh why you gotta say it like that i'm cringing and wanting to cry is that what you wanted if that really what you wanted??

and i thought you didn't give it up cuz you run away screaming every time a girl speaks to you?

Hey baby don't cry, I'll put on Amelie and we can just snuggle on the couch. It'll be alright babeh babe.

no! you're just gonna talk about our cuddles online! i am not down for that zapatos, do you hear me, I AM NOT DOWN FOR THAT.

plus i HATE amelie!! *cries some more*

bitchifyoudontstopcryingdaddyisgoingto have. to. spank.

Daedala I would not talk about our cuddles online, I promise you this. What would we watch then?

Also I am going to bed, goodnight my love.

my love = everyone who gets this in their inbox.

I try so hard not to be a creepy internet stalker, and I fail so fucking hard.

Dammit.

American Psycho is a classic, and watching Christian Bale murdering hookers is almost as awesome as doing it yourself.

It is not awesome, it is pathetic. The movie made me ill for it is ill.

Just because a work of art makes you ill doesn't make it bad. But anyway, the book is better.

The book also includes that part where he keeps that sewer rat and starves it and well... oh god. That was the moment when I finally found something that actually made me put the book down for a second. I can't tell if I should be appalled or congratulate him for coming up with something that inventive that could actually start to cut through my detachment enough to disturb me.

It was better though and the point where you start wondering whether it's real or not comes later and is blurred a lot more.

It also had the incredibly awkward Rum & Pepsi vs. Rum & Coke conversation, which I really enjoyed for some reason.

No, it makes it effective, which is what a work of art is "supposed" to do. There are outliers like that guy crawling around. I've also heard that about the book from other sources.
What makes me ill, more accurately, is someone like stereo gushing about the character.

Stereo is going to make someone very happy someday.

Or very dead.

potato, potato.

Haha. Assetbar forgot and allowed me to chubby.

FEED ME THE CAT

American Psycho is my favorite movie, EVER.

why don't you answer my phone calls? i've been throwing pebbles at your window for the past hour... where are you?

...i'm pregnant.

I talk about the sluts I fuck, I do not talk about experiences with the fiance I loved or the women I have actually held some regard for.

Hey zapatos what's the news from your cock?

Today's Headlines: I haven't had sex in three weeks.

I've had sex almost every day in the past week.

Yeah that's cool, with the same girl?

Oh man, now is the point in the conversation where I reveal I am totally into monogamy and have a fairly steady girlfriend...

In my book that is a good thing.

Of course, I am two and a half times your age, so my approval may be the last thing you want. If that is the case, monogamy is totally the wrong decision.

OH MAN DUDE I BANGED LIKE A MILLION GIRLS IN ONE DAY WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.

Having a steady girlfriend doesn't mean you have to be into monogamy. It just provides increased options.

No, I'm jealous. See I was fucking a different girl every other night for a while there (exageration) and I had to hit the breaks. I am getting tired.

Baby I wasn't talking about you, it was someone else.

I believe, according to the discussion, he is required to rape her even if he does not want to or does not feel like sex.

double-rape

doubleplusrape.

Sometimes the raper is the victim, he doesn't want to rape the girl but he is obligated to.

OH GOD NOT THIS AGAIN.

I AM RAPING YOU RIGHT NOW

YO VIP

Let's rape it

Rape Rape Baby
Rape Rape Baby


Everybody's rapin' for the weekend?

I don't want to work, I just want to rape in the shed all day.

I don't really mind things that are shocking and make me feel a little bit broken, but can I just say I don't find any of this actually funny.

Yeah it's kind of a stretch. But I have to say that "And I will skeet down upon thee with great vengeance and furious tugging those who attempt to fondle and fellate my brothers" made coffee come out of my nose.

I am sorry.
*non-intrusive hugs*

Seriously people, it's a fine line to tread making jokes about unfunny things. Rape jokes can be funny, but if they are not, they are terrible. You gotta be pretty sure about your joke before you post it. I will throw into the ring with a Carlin line:

You think rape isn't funny? Of course it can be funny. Anything can be funny. Imagine Porky Pig being raped by Elmer Fudd. Hilarious.

Dead baby rape jokes are wonderful.

jokes?

Practical jokes.

they are practically jokes.

Rape is okay. I am more of a pillaging sort, though.

Seriously, I am a pretty big deal in that field. So much so that they renamed the town of Genghis Kahn, Illinois after me.

You mustn't make me Google things like "Genghis Khan, Illinois." The others must not learn that I am so gullible.

Davey-boy, it's Indiana, not Illinois.

You never heard of it, Goblins?

I almost did it again! Damnit!

. ..we're not messing with you. It's a real town.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan,_In

AH I CLICKED IT!

Man, I'm totally discouraged now. I think I should just go to bed and cry myself to sleep.

HAHHAHAHA
I feel so deliciously evil right now.

your dad raping your mom? not so much.

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You think rape isn't funny? Of course it can be funny. Anything can be funny. Imagine Porky Pig being raped by Elmer Fudd. Hilarious.

Unless he's....Porky Pig's Love-Child!

Ah badip-ah-badip-ah-badip-ah-badip.....

Now you know why he stutters.

But your mom raping your dad? Comedy gold.

Start with Free Willy.

As chubby is as a chubby does sir!

I gotta be honest. If this had been a one-panel strip consisting only of the final panel, I would have still given it a 5. Everything else is bonus.

I bought Stussy shirts because I knew no better. You cannot hate on a Stussy shirt in that day and age.

I have never ever ever owned anything by Stussy and can only offer you my sympathies

Yet surprisingly I was able to do so.

Don't they sell it at Target as some sort of house brand now? I am glad to see that Stussy is at the same basic level as Wrangler now.

With all this talk about Stussy, I'm just wondering who's gonna be the first person to test their umlaut skills against the Previewless Text Ruiner.

Oh wait, no, that's Mossimo. Still, same basic thing from the same era.

I will be vulnerable to criticism here and say that the mid-90s surf brands (Stussy, Mossimo, Rusty, Freshjive, etc.) made some pretty cool stuff back then. I.E. they were the right clothes for the right time. I don't see anyone hating on Shakespeare for his accordion-like ruff that he and the other dandies of the day wore about their neck.

Ruffs are still awesome. Stussy was lame at the time it was popular.

Describe for me what thou worest in lieu of aforementioned brands, mine Liege of Hipster

I honestly can't recall, but y'know, t-shirts and such. I was in middle school generally at the time. I did not, however, wear particular brands. I recall when Stussy was popular though and looking at the stuff and seeing that it was terrible.

I put it to you sir that those brands were worn by people you did not like and you did not own t-shirts of the aforementioned brands and thusly your opinion of them was forged.

Not really. I didn't bother to learn the names of the majority of people I went to school with nor did I pay much attention to most of them. When I switched schools after my freshman year I didn't bother to tell anyone I was switching even though I was only moving to another school in the same district that was still rather close by.

I see what you're saying, but it's really not part of it in this case.

Middle school wasn't some sort of terrible ordeal for me, it was just sort of... empty.

well as my mind works in circles of cliches, you are lost to me.

I can't hate on anyone whose avatar is John Darnielle, sordid Stussy past or not.

You must get that all the time.

Wow. As long as I've been listening to that band, I had no idea what the man looked like. I really thought that was likeiwassaying. That hasn't happened since back when I thought spinynorman actually was the smiling man in his avatar.

He's not?

No, sir.

Please be joking. For your respective sakes.

He's just not a main dude in the States. I'm not saying he's an unknown or anything, but the average schmuck will have no idea who he is. That's just the way it is.

*sniff*

I never really thought that spinynorman was his avatar, but whenever I see or think about Fry I think about spinynorman.

Is this normal?

Are you from a country where they refer to a pineapple as a "spinynorman?"

I GOOGLED IT GUYSH.
I never knew who Stephen Fry is.

I've still never seen Fry anywhere other than that avatar.

What? Oh, I mean Stephen Fry.

I hope so.
The same thing happens to me with deusoma, whenever anyone on House suggests that it might be lupus.

Hi deusoma. It's never lupus.

House has been a bit so-so this new series. I still download it, but the House/Cuddy thing is super-lame.

I AM OBSESSED WITH THE HOUSE/CUDDY THING.

Also, I like that you are rainbowbrite.

Yeah, I dunno. I can't really say I like it, but I'm intrigued and it keeps me watching.

If they would just get naked and nasty it would be fine. This Season starting off with the House/Wilson angst and continuing on to the House/Cuddy angst has been a bit of a downer for me. Thirteen's character although dramatic is pretty two-dimensional but it is good that she is pretty.

House and Wilson do need to make with the nasty love-times. I knew this back in Season Two. I have friends who very much want to see this happen. Now is the time (maybe? I now longer watch)!

There has been speculation is spiny is Fry.

*snaf*

I hate to tell you guys but all this hate on Stussy is misplaced. Stussy is cool. I have two of their shirts and a scarf. Owning Stussy is no reason to be upset with anyone.

And now I'm upset with you.

But without reason.

While in college, I owned a pair of Z Cavaricci shorts that I thought were pretty cool. They were light khaki with pinstripes of several different colors running down them.
I wore these shorts on my summer abroad in London. They were basically the most fashionable shorts I owned, so I looked forward to wearing them.
The first night I wore them, my friends and I were walking through a small neighborhood to get to the Tube station. A delightfully smashed Englishman staggered out of a pub and assumed a course parallel to ours. My two friends started talking to the bloke, looking for some snarky fun during our otherwise uneventful walk.
Soon, the delightfully smashed Brit turned to me, and the following interchange occurred:
Drunk Brit: "What's up wit' yor shorts, mate?"
Me: "Nothing, I guess. I'm wearing them, you see."
Drunk Brit: "Do you like those things?"
Me: "Well, yeah, I mean, I think they're pretty cool."
Drunk Brit: "Naw, mate...They make you look like a bloody queer!"

We all laughed at this, and I wasn't going to be bothered by the words of a inebriated stranger, but my friends made sure to repeat his words ad nauseum (whether or not I was actually wearing said shorts.)
After that trip, those shorts were never seen again. I hope the misguided youth who picked them up from Goodwill never fancies a trip to England.

"Horny was the case they gave me."
Excellent Snoop reference, and so true of me.

But...but... French fries was the case they gave him !

Oh, who to believe: Phillipe or Ray's libido?

C'mon, Onstad: murder was the case THAT they gave me.

I must say that that that that you inserted is not ghetto.

Take it up with Cordozar Calvin Broadus, Jr.

I like the name, though. I do not think it makes him less gangster. However, saying "Fo' shizzle my nizzle bizzlekizzlefizzle" does.

I must say that that that that that that that you used was quite obnoxious.

Parsing assistance:
I must say that: that "that that that that" that you used was quite obnoxious.

I got that from my Latin teacher, Mister Houston, may he rest in Hades.

Elysian Fields or Tartarus?

I don't know. Seems likely that Ray would've screwed the lyric up.

Chris has been riding the razor's edge of being too pop-culturey lately.

Quoting Snoop Dogg does NOT HELP

Fortunately I miss that kind of reference because I'm completely out of touch with pop culture.

So to me it's just business as usual, strange people with strange cares, trying to fuck strange strippers.

I missed it because rap is terrible and I completely loathe Snoop Dog.

I used to think so too, and for the most part still do, but even I couldn't deny the awesomeness of Bone Thugs N' Harmony's "Eternal" . Not only is it sampled from one of my favorite Sega games, but it's pretty much the hip-hop equivalent of prog metal. The dude is rapping in polyrythms!

Then again, this is pretty much the only hip-hop song I've heard that I've liked, but I haven't really been motivated to find other ones.

I just listened to this for the first time even though I love Bone Thugs. Which Sega game precisely are they sampling?

I encourage you to explore more of their catalog .

It's from Eternal Champions, which was a Street Fighter 2 type fighting game, with a pretty interesting historical concept and storyline. The original music is here .

The interesting thing about Eternal Champions (it was also part of the general Sega "Extreme" phase and the one that was also part of fighting games at the time with plenty of fatalities and laughable blood that was still somehow controversial) was that it was one of the main games to use that weird octagon thing that Sega was trying to push at the time.

That would be the Sega Activator.

Pogo....you...Snoop...what..huh? I did not figure you for a gin and juice man. I am happy to be wrong.

Oh, I get around, lad. Got me a little of everything that's good musically or culturally significant.

Why she is more bothered by his flirting than bemused by his reference to Hypercolor, I don't know. The things we forget...

Well, she's wearing a dress of some sort and it is clearly not Hypercolor. I would think she'd be aware that something had happened to his brain and he was unable to tell exactly what was going on.

i think i'd be bothered by ray's flirting too. brow all furrowed, hand clamps down on my shoulder, asks me if i am interested in Hypercolor in the same tone one would ask "did you rub sand in my mom's vagina". i don't feel like i'd have a lot of outs.

plus she's wearing a dress not a top, but ray simply does not Care.

this is not the first time.


"Damn it Lyle! Stop rubbing sand in that vagina. Stop it this instant!"

Time for the Man-Douche!

This has been up for four hours and I'm still the only one to chubby it? People. How can you not chubby "use the bathroom!".

Because we don't get it?

It is the ever-popular mixing of two Achewood references. See this and this .

And I didn't chubby it 'cause I've been too friendly here.

Watching people use the bathroom might or might not be his Thing.

Ray is such an angry flirter.


His nostrils really ARE flaring!

The Great Outdoor Fight winner vs. The Badass Conteset winner.

Badass conteset? I think I had that in the navy...

Badass Onteset Diabetes?

Chris Ontestad?

HIV Ontestad?

Bring on the next Contestad

The Barefoot Conteset?

Ina Garden da vida, baabyyyy!!

Amtestad?

Godestad?


Now that is a fucking mo

That guy looks like a small, wire-haired terrier has crawled halfway into his mouth and died.

and it looks like they cut his head off and mounted it in their amazement


i have to say, it's not looking good for our great outdoor fight champ

connie is becoming more british as time wears on.

ray is going in the opposite direction

What is the opposite of British?

This Homeboy right here. -=Ray=-

that is on-point, m8
im quite chuffed
ho ho ho ho, see here now you dickensian roustabout!

At least he has never once mentioned tea and crumpets in the same breath. That is a good sign.

Because that is fake british

texan

I dunno, kinda looks like she came on to him with "whats a gal gotta do". I mean shes a stripper. A man gets ideas.

comment plus avatar symmetry equals perfect. man.

this is true, tho in her defense i think the radiating intense sexual auras may be an unconscious habbit picked up after being a stripper for an undetermined period of time

Being a stripper does not enhance sexual aura. She is merely making small talk. It is Ray who is dorking, and it is Connie who is put out.

I half expect Pat to come in and shoot them both.
And where's Beef and Molly?


Stay tuned...

Beef and Molly are no longer invited. Was this not made clear a few strips ago?

Not to me. But I miss things.

To your credit, a few strips ago was basically a month ago.

Oh no.... am I become a guy who bitches about Onstad's schedule? God, I hope not.

I hope you arent, too.

I made, like, six corrections to that sentence and I still got it wrong. Am I drunk? Can fruit juice do that to a person?

How old is it?

Only a twelve-year.

What proof is it?

Some huge number?

The largest number "proof" can be is 200.

So it prolly isn't a huge number.

You mean a person with feelings? Feelings that can be hurt?

They are just running late.

Fit well with her blue tongue. Combine that with the 'Hey, Sailor' thing, and I think we gots a flapper on our hands.

Yeah, she seems like a regular Theda Bear a.

ha--cha-cha-cha-cha!

Oh, jolly well-played. You got it!

dear Santa, please send Autrepoupee a straw boater and a cane for christmas. I think it will really spice up her act.

Bring it down on the Chattanooga Choo-Choo, big Chief!

Ringadingding!

Twenty-three skiddo, too.

I want to know what this means. What does this mean?

Colloquially, it means you are leaving.

Why it means you are leaving is a mystery I have actually researched. While there are some guesses, no one really knows.

Damn, I was just going to say "Get the fuck out" and it would have a vaguely (i.e. not at all) amusing double-meaning.

Biff is more correct and with better information though. I defer to his obvious wisdom.

My favorite explanation is that the triangular shape of the Flatiron Building on 23rd Street would create such strong winds at the corner that the it would lift the skirts of ladies walking past. This would attract the attention of all sorts of ruffians and ne'er-do-wells who would hang out at the corner so often that they had to be dispersed by the local constabulary, who were then said to be giving them the twenty-three skidoo.

Is that the triangular building in San Francisco? Or is there even such a thing as a triangular building in San Francisco?

It is in New York. I must have driven past it numerous times, but I never notice these things.

It is a pretty famous building. You all have seen it before.

Biff: I think you are thinking about the Transamerica Pyramid, in San Fransisco. It is the tallest building.

No it isn't. I think the new Rincon One tower is taller and when it's done the new Transbay Terminal building will be bigger than both. I don't think the Pyramid was ever really the biggest. It's just awesome and looks unique so people can easily find it.

Apparently it was pretty controversial when it was being built, but I like it a lot. I like the extra help in identifying the skyline. Plus it gives people something to shoot other than just the bridge.

There are basically three establishing shots used for the city: the bridge with the city in the background shot from the Marin headlands, swooping in from the bay to the Ferry Building, and shooting from Twin Peaks and looking down over downtown. People never shoot anything from the south or west parts of town. Those are totally ignored by all.

What is that building shaped like a fire hose?

There is no such thing.

Rincon One looks like a giant air purifier.

The Transamerica building is a big, thin pyramid. It is very obvious what it is. I like it.

I do not see how a building could ever look like a fire hose.

There are a number of them. Francis Ford Coppola owns one. He has a restaurant on the ground floor.

This phrase, I do use.

"Alright guys, I'm a get the fuck out of here."

BITCH GET OUT THE ROOM
BITCH GET OUT THE ROOM!

"Gotta go beat my wife. You know how it is."

I am not using this phrase.

Your wish is my command!

That.....is adorable.
"I just flew in from Chicago, and boy, are my leg pontoons tired!"

This is apropos of nothing, but the boobs in your avatar are in perfect sync with "16 Shells From a Thirty-Ought Six" by Tom Waits. I am honestly a little bit amazed.

Thanksgiving Blogs

Pat: Sensibilly
Philippe: Thanks Giving It's Friday!

Well apparently Pat's was posted at 11:55pm on Wednesday, not on Thursday as I'd thought. You get it now anyway.

Thanks!
:)
<3

Reading through the archives I was like, "who cares."

Now however, I'm like, "hell yes blogs."

You are a community's blessing.

"I am thankful that my big cucumber-size noodle can maybe be real some day!"

Horny-onset diabetes is a lot like regular diabetes:
Fluid retention, stiffness, need to elevate feet, long naps...

what is with ray and diabetes onsets? It's as if that is the only disease he can think of most of the time. Clearly his symptoms are closer to those of lupus.

It's never lupus.

Duh. It is always the third diagnosis. The fist diagnosis is wrong and the treatment of it causes brand new, immanently fatal symptoms.

The second diagnosis causes friction between the team, House, Cuddy, and sometimes the patient. The treatment of it also causes brand new, immanently fatal symptoms.

The third diagnosis occurs just in time because House is FUCKING MAGICAL. The patient is saved, and I tune in next week.

The fist diagnosis is almost always wrong.

Can you help us get these stains out of our uniforms, Marge?
Nothing works! We've tried punching them out...

Club soda will get that blood stain out.

after you wash it in the tub three or four times but that's normal, ain't it, Norman?

That is not a simpsons quote.

That's why it's basically unwatchable. I can't believe I lasted for over a season since it's so indescribably formulaic. I guess it's just because Hugh Laurie does a great job with the character. But that's to be expected.

Give me an episode with Stephen Fry and I'll watch that though.

Whoever would have thought that Laurie would end up outdoing Fry? I wouldn't have. But it happened. Laurie is dynamic. Fry is Fry.

I loved the stuff Fry and Laurie did together, but absolutely loathe House. Not just for the reasons mentioned above, but because I cannot suspend disbelief enough to believe that all these people would continue to disagree with the obviosuly FUCKING MAGICAL doctor, week after week after week, knowing they will be proven wrong for the hundred and fifty-ninth consecutive time.

The lack of an Assetbar edit button means that typo will haunt me forever.

He is pretty magical, isn't he?

obviosuly

Well, to be fair, he's not always right, and often only arrives at the correct diagnosis due to somebody saying something unrelated to the illness which makes something click in his brain and then he realizes what the deal is.

See I just always assumed that because it is television, the cases where he is dead wrong and is responsible for killing a patient and he gets sued up his wing wong are only accessible to premium subscribers at $2.99 a month.

Well, it is all a big rip-off of Sherlock Holmes as well. Gotta keep something to it.

I think it's more "homage" or "inspired by" than "rip-off."

True, but the similarities are pretty heavy and striking.

I think one of the big problems is that it's fundamentally hard to make a medical mystery for the layperson. Not only would it be hard to present the evidence well, but most people aren't going to be able to put it together due to lack of knowledge. So you have to explain everything to them and then find another way to keep the mystery going.

I saw an episode where some girl started bleeding from her eyes or whatever and he said "Well it's definitely NOT lupus" and laughed for some reason.

THE PATIENT POOPS A LUNG

Chubby for representing Cracked.

Did you see the one a couple weeks ago where the guy forced House, at gunpoint, to treat him? That was a really awesome episode.

Did you see the one where the hot lesbian fucked the sexy bisexual and then seizured, just so she could hang out with House? Fucking dedication.

Quote:
Glench: as the temperature of lesbians approaches absolute zero, they cease to exist
Glench: let me demonstrate
Glench: here we have a google search for hot lesbians
Glench: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22hot lesbians%22
Glench: ~1.4 million results
Glench: cool lesbians: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cool lesbians%22
Glench: 2,500 results
Glench: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cold lesbians%22
Kasu: Glench: It's scientific!
Glench: 321 results
Glench: for cold lesbians
lapilofu: did you try warm?
Glench: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22absolute zero lesbians%22
Glench: 0 results
Glench: theory: PROVEN
TwoDaemon: ... that is simultaneously so logical and so awesomely retarded.

xkcd copypasta.

Yeah. Unfortunately I watched that one with my parents. I was like hey can we watch House and my mom was like okay I guess and then BAM sexy girls making out in the first three minutes of the show.

Sorry mom, sorry dad, sorry college

Damn, I missed that one. I'm also glad I didn't see the one where they're playing out their rape fantasy in the beginning with my parents.

I like the one where the family has a big orgy, and nothing goes wrong. Yeah. So I rented this weird porn and watched it with my family...

No, I never did that.

The Aristocrats!

What is it with people seeing sex-ay House episodes with their families? My mom and I watched the one where the old lady hires a prostitute in the beginning. I don't think anything particularly raunchy happened, if I recall, but it was pretty obvious what was going to.

I think he's more likely to be having Horny Onstad Diabetes.

A comment left by tad- was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by fakead, Belgand, prius_chaser, Mustakrakesh, mr_fahrenheit, chair)

Well, even if she is just unfunny bait, that's classic "straight man" comedy. Someone has to be around for the big goons to play off of, or else it is just The Three Stooges.

She'll be getting a blog soon, I suspect. To replace LN's.

Well... I NEVER! *monocle*

All I can see is that little smiley face.

And all I can see is an Atreides I want to kill.


Kill... or molest?

Kill ... or bitchslap?

Sting is all like:

[/b]"BITCH! I GOT YOUR SPICE RIGHT HERE?"[/b]

no

noooooooooooooooooooooooo

I can't believe that you failed.

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE !

"He tried and failed?"

"He tried and died."

He is the King of all the land/
In the Kingdom of the sands/
Of a time tomorroooowwww!

^Obligatory Iron Maiden Acknowledgement Chubby

Iron Maiden really does need to be made an obligatory subject in our schools. Perhaps we can expand it into a more general NWOBHM class and also cover Judas Priest and Motorhead though.

some Ice Earth, Blind Guardian, Demons and Wizards.

i like how the cool kids on assetbar listen to Iced Earth and Blind Guardian. i don't mean that zapatos is a cool kid on assetbar who happens to listen to Iced Earth and Blind Guardian, but that if you listen to Iced Earth and Blind Guardian on assetbar, you are considered a cool kid.

I am having a hard time sorting this out, but it seems as though you are giving me cool kid status. I like this thank you fellow cool kid.

My opinion of you just went up sevenfold. Not Avenged Sevenfold though.

But these bands could only be taught in the last part of the course, the "Legacy and Cultural Effects" unit.

I have to worry about teaching children about Lemmy though. What if they cannot handle his raw power?

Can we perhaps use a revisionist textbook that discusses how despite it being a tough decision Metallica decided that they could not possibly continue on without Cliff and quietly ended the band in 1986?

Maybe not a useful link if you don't have an account, but hey... it's been done.
https://www.waffles.fm/forum/9/24384/index.html

I have a friend, his myspace name was Avengend Bevanfold. I found it clever. Then I heard them play. I still found it clever, but I did not listen to that band again.


Can I teach part of the course? How to pretend to like rap in order to get girls to leave the club with you, only to have them wake up the next morning to the horror of Spider Man posters and a pokemon shower curtain.

what about hammerfall and nightwish?

Again, only in the Legacy Unit. The entire Finnish metal scene could be taught in a few minutes. If you took all the main Finnish bands like Children of Bodom, Norther, Twilightning, Skyfire, Stratovarius, and Kalmah, then switched around all the band's vocalists, you would not be able to tell the difference.

Perhaps the book could say that they recorded Justice without any bass, and then sailed West.

If there is any bass on Justice, I've yet to hear it. Anyway, It was clearly Bob Rock, not Jason Newsted, who ruined everything. This should be the cornerstone of the curriculum.

Also, I know shit about Finnish metal but I love me some Meshuggah. Can I be a cool kid?

True, but Cliff was an essential part of the band and they were apparently total dicks to Newsted. It was also their last truly great album and it makes a valid time for them to have called it quits and left a legacy of greatness. Plus, well, they did consider breaking up.

What about Dethklok? I continue to be delightfully surprised how good it is, in a non-ironic sense, especially the full length re-recordings that came out prior to the dvd. Especially "into the water"

Oh yea that song is basically the bomb.

Do we dig on Skeletonwitch? My roomate put it in the stereo the other day and I liked it.

[qoute]My roomate put it in the stereo the other day and I liked it.[/quote]
my roomate is sleeping with batman and i am jealous?

ah mother fucker! my first bbccode buggery.

i feel terrible.

I'm listening to it now, and it rocks. Thanks for the heads up.

Yeah, I know some thing about certain things that people enjoy.

That would be acceptable, yes.

Silly whiteturtle. You can't close a tag before it's opened!

I was just listening to Dune on audiobook, I had no Idea that "weapon of choice" borrows from it

"If you walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm"

Quote:
"If you walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm"

Yo, that's discrimination!

But the worm is awesome. I can see how walking without rhythm would demonstrate how astoundingly unfunky you are are though that people would not be cold poppin' and lockin' all over the damn place and would actually cease their down getting when you come past.

Sadly I tend to walk with a bit too much flair and dudes are always pulling out the worm when I go past.

That was the series I really enjoyed reading in the 60's. Not the Ring. I just read it because my friend did.
Dune was, beg pardon, ground-breaking, and it was arguably the golden age of Sci-Fi.
The colossal failure of the movies- I could not fathom how badly they were made.
It was like Star Wars movies were the atonement for the Dune series.

Quote:
Sadly I tend to walk with a bit too much flair and dudes are always pulling out the worm when I go past.

That will almost surely pass.

I noticed that I had unintentionally phrased that in a way that could be interpreted sexually, but it was merely a side effect and I chose to keep it in because it amused me.

The problem with making a movie out of Dune comes from the fact that, not only was the book about 100 times to long to make into a movie, but Herbert's stories are so densely packed with information.

To do Dune justice with a movie would require that it be about 300 hours long.

Also, the quality of special effects has just caught up with what the movie requires in, say, the last eleven minutes.

I was going to respond that it was not the golden age of SF, and then I googled the title. Here's the next 6 hugo winners: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Lord of Light, Stand on Zanzibar, Left Hand of Darkness, and Ringworld.

I guess it was the golden age.

Every single one of those books is my favorite book ever .

To be straight up, I haven't read half of them, and I liked the other Ekumen stories better than Hand of Darkness.

I wrote a paper for my government class on The Moon is a Harsh Mistress . I based my paper on the premise that the story is an instruction manual for a colony breaking away from it's owner country and becoming an independent nation.

The professor made no comments at any point in the paper, except at the end where he wrote, "An interesting treatment. B (plus sign)"

They're all great, and Ringworld and the Moon is a Harsh Mistress have deservedly been fondly remembered. I am shocked how many SF fans have not read Lord of Light (or This Immortal) which are staggeringly good.

I read all the Hugo award winning novels in order one summer as a kid... though I think I only made it through the first thirty years.

I read Dune and I liked it. I read Dune Messiah and also liked it, but wanted it to be longer.

I have not gone farther.

I did not go past Dune though I liked it very much. I did not see how the story could continue in a way that I would enjoy.

It pretty much doesn't.

Those were wonderful days. I collected Analog and dozens of paperbacks, all the Clarke, Asimov, Niven, and Poul I could get my hands on.

I guess my father hit up SF a decade later cause his shelves are filled with Bradbury, Delany, and Vonnegut Jr.

Bit of a gaping hole where Niven is concerned, I haven't even read anything by him. Always meant to get on it, but the local public library kinda lacks in that respect.

The Mote in God's Eye was rather good and Ringworld is a classic although I may need to read it again since I last did so in middle school and don't recall it making much of an impact on me.

The Mote in God's Eye is the best Heinlein novel that Niven ever wrote. I think Protector, Ringworld, A Gift from Earth and the early short fiction in the Known Space universe are representative of his best work.

I felt The Gripping Hand would have been OK not to have been written. Not that the book was bad in and of itself, but I don't think it comes close to measuring up to Mote .

Hmm... I see where you're going with that, but it never felt that much like Heinlein to me. It still felt very much like Niven to me and well... I'm not sure I totally get Niven.

....dude, my mind has been blown.

i think i like the instrumental version is better. thank you Camber Sands for this and the Santos Napalm Reprise of Drop The Hate.

NPH?

FIVE ME BRO.

DAY MAN AAA AAA AAAAH FIGHTER OF THE NIGHT MAN AAA AAA AAAAH CHAMPION OF THE SUN AAA AAA AAAAH YOU ARE A MASTER OF KARATE AND FRIENDSHIP FOR EVERYONE.

That may be the only skit I've ever enjoyed on that show.

I like that you got lamed for saying this, but I didn't lame you.

I have no clue what you all are talking about.

Every night you come into my room
and pin me down with your strong arms
you pin me down and i try to fight you
you come inside me
and fill me up and I
become the night man
Its just two men sharing the night
it may seem wrong but its just right
its just two men sharing each other
its just two men like loving brothers
ones on top and ones on bottom
one is in and one is out and
one is screaming I'm so happy
the others screaming a passionate shout its the night man
the feeling so wrong its right man
I cant fight you man when you come inside me and pin me down with your strong hands and i become the passionate passionate night man

Bret, you got it goin on...

(got it going on)

I guess no one is going to answer you, tekende, so I'll tell you that it's from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. It's another one of the shows which I'm not crazy about but which I see most episodes of anyway because I live with someone who likes it. Another example would be Family Guy.

And if you're reading this, babe, it's OK. We'll always have Project Runway and Good Eats.

Good Eats is one of a very small handful of sows that I watch.

I must admit, G.E. is a pretty good pig.

my apologies to Mrs. Duchon

A dude that likes Project Runway?

You are a rare breed sir, and I respect you for it.

hey i just realized, when a chick likes things that dudes like, dudes [usually] think she's awesome.

when a dude likes things that chicks like, chicks [sometimes] think he's gay.

this betrays a subconscious acknowledgment on the part of [some] women that the things they do aren't universally awesome things, in a Kantian sense of "universal". this appears problematic to me, but i'd have to think about it some more to figure out why.

I used to like Project Runway. The first season was just completely awesome. Second season was pretty good. Haven't watched it since.

Tekende is a girl though. Anyone who has that dude in their avatar is secretly a girl.

why does it look like he has a buttock on the front of his body

That way he can shit on his own chest without needing anyone to do it for him.

Also, eat a cake while sitting on it.

Not that that's his deal.

His left leg is backwards, little known fact .

This was completely out of left field, but I had to smile broadly at it. You get a "chubby," not a "lame."

I wish the Harkkonens had been a lttle less cookie cutter evil, it's like the Bene Gesurit stitched them together from Hitler, Polpot, Caligula, and Joffery Lannister

Bene Gesserit, dick.

(The irony is that I am the dick in this situation.)

But are you a Harkkonen?

Ah.

i_love_kate... yo reverend mama is so fat that fremen use maker hooks when they're riding her.

i_love_kate... yo reverend mama is so dumb that she thinks the bene tleilaxu can help fix her constipation.

i_love_kate... yo reverend mama is so cowardly that she went braindead

Woodjay, yo reverend mama so fat, when she sits around House Atreides, she sits AROUND House Atreides!

Rowboat, yo reverend mama is so dumb, she thought that spice melange' was a french porn channel.

haha, you guys are talking about a book I've read once.

zapatos: yo reverend mama is so flat that she gave the Baron Vladamir Harkkonen a boner.

damnit, I should have said chubby instead of boner, ... c'est la vis

hahaha, oh you are a riot!

Woodjay: Yo reverend mother... is fucking old and senile.


I wish I could chubby every one of these.

davey-boy: yo reverend mama is so ugly, guild navigators hang out with her in order to look more attractive by comparison.

mmmrrrggglll!

I like how it is evil to be a gay child molester. I also like how he booby trapped that child's inner thigh.

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Why would a realist kick him in the balls? It's a story. His characters don't have to be a demographically accurate representation of ANYONE. It's fiction fuckface.

Sorry. I don't think you're a fuckface. But the ALLITERATION! I couldn't help myself.

Why won't we ever have to listen to you again?

Also, I'm glad Polly is here, because now my extremely feminist buddy will read Achewood. She didn't want to read a comic about just parasites attached to our phallic masters, I guess.

She said that. I'm as serious as a...a milk truck.

People like that make me hate something that I was once neutral toward and that is feminism.

I used to think feminists were OK.

I was young.

this is hella ignorant dogg

i mean seriously to say you "hate" the idea of equality for women because someone read a whole lot of cixous and says the word phallus is Low

Misreading a guy's two-line comment is also dumb, audhumla.

Some feminists are lame, but a LOT of them are heck of misunderstood. Not all of them think that men are pigs, but rather they unintentionally enable a sexist society.

I simply don't like any argument that tries to put responsibility on men. Those women who are willingly objectified are just as responsible for any negative portrayal of women. Not that that was your argument.

I'm sure most of the rational ones recognize that some women contribute to it themselves.
See: The Girls Next Door.
Also I have a problem with the feminist definition of sexism, which is basically that only men can be sexist, because men have the power. They still believe there can be sexual discrimination against men, and that it is wrong, but it is not sexism. It just seems to me to justify being discriminatory against men, in a way.

How does the "girl next door" concept work if you live next to a strip club? Or is it more a metaphorical thing for people who have sex for free instead of for money?

I don't know but I get filled with rage whenever my sister watches that show. ITT we talk about how much we hate Girls Next Door and how 16 year old girls love it so much.
Also: the Kardashians.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHH WILL WE NEVER STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!??

I am passionate about things. Everyone else is passionate about rape, House, and feminism. I'm just concerned about this crummy television.

Come on Tekende, I thought you would have some fire in your loins. Brain? The loins of your brains.


Tekendeloin

Why do you hate women, tekende?

Fun fact: sje46 is still not a woman.

You haven't reached menarche?

Not even a single hair yet.

I didn't think I did, but the Feminists of Assetbar have shown me that I was wrong.

Yep. Them feminists'll show ya just about everything but the goods, I tell ya.

If making jokes about rape is what it takes to make the feminists leave... joke away. Not a fan.

So you hate equality? Or is it that you don't like feminists who take it what you perceive as too far.

I don't think equality is a meaningful goal, no. I don't want to be considered the same as a man, just given a fair hearing. If one of my qualities makes me less suitable for a position, so be it - I'd rather jobs be filled by the most qualified than some sort of blind lottery that gives everyone an equal chance. If a fireman is rescuing me, I sure as hell want it to be the strongest person who applied for the job, not the one who got in due to affirmative actions.

But . .. that is being treated equal. Giving someone a job when they are less qualified is treating that person inequally. This is what feminists want, for there to be no distinction between male and female when it comes to getting a job etc.

And I don't believe you are a woman. Pics or GTFO. Not of boobies or anything. But I find it hard to believe you are all a sudden a woman after being a man for all this time. At least change your profile.

Oh, you did.

It's been back and forth, I change it every time I think about it. Mostly between "Bottom" and "Mannish" but as you see sometimes I gots a little more confidence. I think it was even "Hip server" once.

I don't understand the "hip server" one.

I'm referring to feminists who say things like "parasites attached to our phallic masters" not the idea of rights for women in general.

That is like saying "Vegetarians are terrible people!

And by vegetarians I mean people who throw red paint on people wearing fur coats."

Not all feminists are like that. Feminists get a pretty bad rap by people who assume that that is what they all are like.

Do I really have to qualify all my blanket terms when responding to someone describing a specific feminist?

Next you'll be saying I shouldn't use words like "she" and "he" because they imply things about females and males as a whole.

In this case, yes. Because it causes people to believe that "woman who believes all men are pigs" is completely synonymous with "feminist", when it is not. I know a lot of people who don't know what a feminist is. I'm just saying be careful with your language, that's all.

If you can use a word to replace another word (and have people understand you) it is a synonym.

Oh wait you said completely synonymous. Whatever.

I know this comment is going to appear slightly orphaned, but feel free to think of me however you want, I'm not going to link pictures of myself to prove something to you that doesn't matter in the first place. I'll still be who I am regardless what you think I am.

That's okay. It will be hard for me to think of you as a girl, though, but I really wasn't trying to see hot pictures of you or anything. I hope you're not mad, dude .. .I mean girl. I mean whatever.

Dude can be gender-neutral. It can also be gendered. It is tricky like that.

I use dude often, and if a chica takes offense to it I apologize and then try to sleep with her.

I distrust them as I distrust any militant faction. Anyone who can not admit that they are wrong is dangerous.

So are people who want men and women to be treated equally wrong?

I don't mean to be a prick, but if people insist on continuing to talk about feminism, I think we really need a crash course:

1. There are three distinct movements of feminism: the first wave, which was mainly the struggle for concrete political rights, the second wave, which occurred in the sixties and focused on the objectification of women and their still-marginal role in society, and the third wave, which has a more liberal attitude about sex and focuses more on gay/transgender issues and underlying cultural messages about gender. The "man-hating feminist" stereotype comes from the second wave while the "it's empowering to be a stripper" comes from the third. Loneal is a third waver.

2. Within almost each of these movements, there is a further split between "equality feminists" and "difference feminists". The former argue that most of what we consider "innate differences" between the sexes are the result of cultural conditioning, while the latter believe that women are in fact different but that these differences should be respected rather than assumed to be inferior. Some even go so far as to argue that logic is inherently male and that the "female" way of tangential, emotional thinking is just as valid.

3. Beyond these differences, there are infinite arguments about the root causes of oppression, what the long-term and short-term goals of feminism are, how they should be achieved, etc.

So making any sort of blanket statement like "feminism is about equality" or "feminists hate men" is reductive and pointless. Saying "I agree/disagree with feminism" is just as meaningless as saying "I agree/disagree with existentialism." Tell me your views on gender, and there will most likely be at least one feminist writer who is saying the exact same thing.

I don't think it is entirely meaningless, I mean they are all about women rising up and trying to be treated as equals to men. I think that all three movements agree with this, even the difference ones.
You make some pretty good points but I'm afraid to argue with you because you seem smarter than me and a little mad.

Oh no, don't be afraid Philippe! Look, having been exposed to this at length doesn't make me smarter. I'm just trying to say that conversations about feminism that aren't at least somewhat informed usually end in silliness, like the one time someone asked loneal why a feminist would read Achewood, as if a feminist were some kind of mythical creature and not a label used to a greater or lesser extent by pretty much any girl who's been to college.

But yes, you're right in a sense. About the only thing feminists agree on is that women should not be held inferior to men. But there were some early feminists who called for the dissolution of the family and a return to the courtesan lifestyle. It's just an extremely tricky subject that you could spend your life studying if you wanted to. (I don't want to)

I know it's complicated. Pretty much anything I say about them at this point is sort of a joke. This topic has gotten really old. That having been said, all the people I've ever met who self-apply the term "feminist" have invariably turned out to be pretty unbearable sorts of people, most of whom had no sense of humor about it at all. So I guess it's personal.

In the end, I'll stick to what I can control. I, myself, will not oppress anyone. That's all I can do.

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Duh. The phalliarchy is deserving of true power.

Didn't you make a comment about rape jokes going wrong up there somewhere. Or was that Hedo? Meh. Anyway. Lame-o-tron for you pogo.

That looks SO GOOD with your Larry King avataricon.

CHICAGO you're on with raping feminists.

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That looks SO GOOD with your Larry King avataricon.

I know, I can just hear his voice saying that, before he goes to a commercial break.

The answer is "Yes, we never will."

Also, why are you screaming like Charlie Brown?

Oh yes, audhumla. I totally hate the idea of equality for women. Yes. That is exactly what I said.

Oh good god people, a Feminist is just someone who realizes that despite advances towards rectification of a woman's standing in society, there is still an inherent patriarchy evidenced by less female representation in politics and the workplace. Someone who believes that men are oppressive pigs or inferior to women is not a Feminist, she is a sexist Cunt, and is to be ignored.

On a side note, myfirstpost's zinger made me laugh for a full minute and deserves more chubbies than possible.

In America, and some other countries. Many other countries. Most other countries.

All I'm saying is there are some cultures where women have the power. The men seem much happier there.

If you look at history, and at the few matriarchal societies that have existed, they were all in a constant state of war.

The female professor who pointed this out implied it was due to the men needing an outlet for their aggression, one that was often provided by the work of governance. But when they weren't in charge, they constantly felt the need to beat someone up, usually the next country over.

I have not studied this myself, I am merely reporting what I was taught.

Well seeing as how there is hell of war all the time anyway, I don't see a problem.

Also I don't care about feminism or whatever, I'm not sexist and I don't care if other people are.

Crap I just finished reading what you wrote as I hit Post. I said nothing that had anything to do with what you said.

Yeah big cunts man.

Dear utv,

Thanks for saving me a post any longer than this one. Use the chub well.

~Woodenteeth

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oh god that is so big i did not realize that

if you lame me we can still be the best of friends

Oh god, indeed. I have to decide whether to make that ito a Tee-shirt for my son-in-law. You see-
Hoppy used to be his nickname....and with he and my daughter having a 1-year old, well ....look up lactating, and you'll get the conundrum.

Would...would that offend any feminist sensibilities in the house?

Showing him the picture? no. Making a t-shirt? probably.

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oh god that is so big i did not realize that

That's what she said.

Thanks, Pogo. I really didn't want to do that myself, but I was about to explode here.

That's what she said. Unfortunately, the xenomorph in her chest then escaped regardless, killing her painfully.

I got your back, davey. And that's not what she said.

In my native land, there is no laughter int he milk trucks... only the echoes of moths' wings flapping.

Hey, let's add some racially diverse characters and a cat in a wheelchair, and then we can have Achewood Extreme!

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Unbreakable put all of those features into one character . It was the most extreme thing ever .

if there is a god it will look a little somethin' like this:


please name the cat wheels 'n' whiskers , please name the cat wheels 'n' whiskers

oh snap, this had been posted since my most recent refresh, a chubby for mind link

Is that that black kid who was good at sports in Recess?

Also, I hate boy wonders. I hate Jimmy Neutron and every eight-year-old who has Einstein as a hero. I/Q. I hate you I/Q. I'm sick of seeing you in all your carnations. Get to high school already and commit suicide because no girl wants to go to the prom with you.

incarnations.

Okay, what do you see?

It looks like a PET scan of the brain. Not quite round enough on the edges, but otherwise, yeah. That's it.

1. Two women posing with a giant lobster
2. A butterfly of some sort
3. An Evil Robotic Overlord with elbow spikes and massive hands and a mechanical propulsion thing instead of legs.

Number Three, I see that now. Looks like RAIDE from Soul Nomad.

I see two Wilma Flintstones. In between them is some sort of giant hookah.

Two twin sisters with huge titties leaning up against a tree. Unfortunately they have deformed, stick-like arms.

Also, they're doing the Nazi salute.

Buxom deformed Nazi titty twins is a recurring motif of Gottfried Helnwein.

All I can see is two old lady heads near the top, but that's just a small part of the image.

I can't see anything at all in the total picture.

Moth.

It's ALWAYS a moth.

aaaahh moths!

Walter and Perry pick out a Christmas tree together.
Walter, let's get this one, it has a big angel on top!
Perry?
Yes, Walter?
I think you're a big angel!
Let's have Christmas every day, except for Christmas Eve!
Perry, Yay!

Walter and Perry assemble a model airplane together.

Walter, you glue this piece.
Ok Perry! Now you do this piece Perry.
Oh no Walter, I glued our hands together!
Oh no! I can't move!
Oh Perry!
Walter, I'm scared!
Perry, I'm scared too!

Hey Perry?
Yes Walter?
I like being stuck to you.
Walter?
Yes Perry?
I glued our hands together on purpose because I like being stuck to you too.
Oh Perry!
Oh Walter!

Zim. Twice.

I see a Godzilla sock puppet staring at itself in a mirror, considering what mayhem to strew next.

For some reason I see the darker grey as a negative space :/

what mayhem to strew

Nice.

holy shit. with the grey as negative, i'm seeing a KKK clansman wearing a gasmask and carrying double blades. or elf ears. either way it's hell of nightmarish.

probably make for a good ninja-themed video game, though.

REAL ULTIMATE WHITE POWER

I cannot see the grey as negative space.

a double-slided funhouse at Red Lobster, complete with salmon roe-themed ball-crawl!

Two people in tricorn hats, dancing.

Ah pussy that needs to get fucked.

I see a largely pointless outdated psychological technique.

Sorry. Had to.

I agree. Psychoanalysis isn't very much respected anymore. Cognitive-behavioral therapy is where it's at.

Psycho-biology is where it's at. Show me something I can repeatably test in the lab and I'm with you.

Psychobiology is too, but is more boring.
And as I said before, you can test behavior in labs.

I think the greater problem is that there are typical answers that you are supposed to conform to. Not to mention that the blots are standardized.

I see:
1) a skeletal beagle head
2) viewed from the side tilting your hesd right it kinda looks like virginia
3) with grey negative I see a fist bump holding lighters at the base

I figured those were the skyscraper Godzilla had reduced to rubble. Hey, a sockpuppet can dream.

also, i guess it kinda looks like an ECCO the Dolphin level

Oh wow that brings back memories

ah, like those BurgerKing mascots from the mid90s the blind kid, kid in a wheel-chair, asian girl, black kid, etc.

oh my god kid vid was blind ?

no wonder he ate J.D.

maybe he wasn't but i figured he had a jordie la'forge thing going on

if there is a god it would look a little somethin' like this:


pass it on blind people eat dogs


p.s. the dog is in the cake and if kidvid is blind then he doesn't know how bad comicsans is

p.p.s. he is not sorry on either count

The corner grocery sells a cake exactly like this, but I am afraid to pick it up because it might be a trap.

It is a trap. I bought one and it had more than 4 penises in it. One bite and I was completely gay

man, vid kid always looked so cool....

This made me laugh a lot but damnit I am out of chubbies.

If I could've saved all my chubbies for this, I would have. How wrong I was to chubby anything else.

The best thing about blind people is you can say whatever you want about them on the Internet and they will never know .

"Introducing Web 3.0- featuring Braille plug-in!"

Now you fucked.

This is funny because not ten minutes ago some blind guy was warning me that I could be arrested for not offering him the use of a computer made for blind people at the library.

"But sir, we don't even have a computer like that."
"Well, then you'll definitely be arrested!"

Blind asshole.

Haha oh deary me that is the limit. I can imagine people using that line in all situations. It's one better than threatening to sue.

"But sir this is the women's room, you're not allowed here."
"Well then, you'll definitely be arrested."

"Barry, there's only one slice left and you had three, you can't have anymore."
"Well then, you'll definitely be arrested."
A Friend's Arrest ensues.

this is very funny. chubbied.

You mean Bary, of course.

; )

Sounds like he was having you on. If you lamed him, would he know it? You've been lamed! :)

Maybe he should post here when he gets that computer made for blind people.
Maybe he already does.

What scorpio_nadir is saying is he is that blind man.

What he is saying is he is the blind man that threatened you with incarceration.

I am that blind man.

So it goes.

Wanna meet that blind man!

If you are that blind man, scorp, then take a damn bath and stop yelling at your damn daughter. And stay the fuck away from my desk, please.

If that asian is a girl, then they also have a transvestite.


according to wikipedia she wasn't added till later and was missing from some of the group shots

She looks like she's coming on to me. I wonder what she's doing with her hand in her pocket there. If she plays the trumpet though I would definitely down with getting some head with her.

Assuming she's legal, that is, but we need to do it in the early 90s. That is crucial to my enjoyment. I am willing to go back in time to enjoy that particular delight.

Hey, guess what she's going to play that trumpet with.

Her mouth with which she has developed tremendous use of her lips and tongue in order to play it correctly?

Here's a hint! Quote:
I'm so pumped I cold play a trumpet with my...

mouth!

Vagina?

Anus? It's anus, isn't it. Anus? Anus! Anus.

Butt Trumpet is not particularly good. They are named for Monty Python and the Holy Grail though, but that's not enough.

If it wasn't anus the first time, why the hell would it be anus the next ten times??


God!

Nope, still a transvestite.

I can tell man pants when I see them.

So just because a girl doesn't conform to your sexist stereotypes of gender-appropriate clothing, she's a transvestite?

Oh shit, now I've got it too.

The definition of transvestite is pretty clear, I'm not passing judgment.

The term you want is "ladyboy".

She blows a mean horn, but she's not a "focuser" ...

cockmonster?

intelligent and human strippers are so cliche.

It's true. People trying to go against stereotypes often just end up creating a new anti-stereotype which is basically the same except with a different spin.

fuck man, I thought she was a bear.

Please don't leave!
I agree with you!
I really like Polly and think everyone should give her a chance.

Ray wants to give her a chance.

...in his pants!

hey-oh!

Is boning a dude old enough to be your grandpa also part of Empowered Feminist Non-Stereotypes?

its basically what the 3rd wave is all about

The grenade landed too far from the troops to really be of any danger, but achilleselbow flung himself upon it anyway.

Sometimes there's a man... I don't want to say a feminist, 'cause what's a feminist?

My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal which bothers some men. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable. Vagina.

=[

this comment makes me need a white russian

Bitches flying through the air and screaming makes me uncomfortable. Women saying 'Vagina' in my face make ms slightly uncomfortable.

What about your "johnson" dude?

My "johnson" ?

On my doorstep?

It's more likely than you'd think?

object not found

If an attractive lady just walked up and said "Vagina" in my face it would probably be fairly arousing for me. Depends on how she says it though.

VAH GIE NAH!

If a woman walked up to me and said "vagina" in a pleasant voice, I would assume that one of the following things were true:

1. She wanted me to have an interaction with her vagina.

2. She wanted to fuck with my head by making me thing she wanted me to have an interaction with her vagina, even though she didn't want that interaction.

Being the paranoid person that I am, I would probably settle on option 2, and retreat from the situation as soon as possible.

I am not saying that there couldn't be some other reason for her saying it. I am just saying that would be my reaction.

It would depend on context. I could also see it as being some sort of performance art type of thing. It depends on how pretentious the place I am happens to be and how likely that would be.

I also would generally assume option 2, but I would still be happy for even that small interaction.

What was with girls trying to fuck with you in middle school and possibly high school by pretending that they were interested in you when they were clearly not just to be mean? I mean, I wasn't an idiot, I could clearly see through it at the time and hoped to kill their fun by remaining indifferent, but what was the damn point of it all? Some sort of cheap, mean ego-boosting thing?

The Simpsons has shown me that this was not just a personal thing, but something that happens to other people as well. I am glad. I do not relish having ignored real interest or being uniquely singled-out for this sort of thing.

I still assume girls are making fun of me when they talk to me. Perhaps this is a problem.

I think everyone is making fun of me, all the time.

We are.

(No, we're not!)

Not you guys, people I know IRL.

That's funny because we all make fun of you.

They were just seeing if they could. I didn't learn to play off of it until college, but it gets you laid.

kinda, sorta.

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ONSTAD GETS A FEMINIST GOLD STAR.

for....creating a non-vacuous female character and not stereotyping.
And yet, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SEE YOU DOING HERE.

GIVE TO HO A CHANCE JEEZUM!!!!!!

What next, we find out Polly's bisexual and attracted to Molly?

The chick is a stripper. There is so much you can do for a character that is a stripper.

That would be astoundingly hot, but yeah, Onstad would get hell of complaints about that.

Yiff in hell Please do not make furry-sounding comments here

Again, I discussed this elsewhere, but I can imagine anthropomorphic animals as being people much like furries try to imagine animals as being anthropomorphic. It is simply the reverse concept and a way to make this not pervy.

I was just kidding.

Even better, Polly turns out to be Molly's long lost brother Paul, and he had crazy species and gender reassignment surgery and is secretly drugging Cornelius to make him grow more breasts and meanwhile they are planning to rip off Ray for all he's got to pay for more estrogen supplement and they will leave Ray in an alley with no jaw and forever after he will have to chew food with a prosthetic mouth and they will also harvest his ears for the black market and then Ray will try to commit suicide, miss his brain but sever his testosteronium, and become a celibate lecturer talking about the dangers of having friends who are stripper bears.

You've combined more than one Palahniuk novel there I think.

yeah, but he didn't give her any visible tattoos. so that part sucks!

loneal comes back just to remind us that she's gone. Well, I will say I was sad to see you go, and you clearly had to put up with too much shit from ignoramuses. Sorry.

As a consolation, since you left we have seen the "most commented" strips change from a list of interesting/important comics or events (hand-face weekend) to the last week or three of strips because people can't seem to say the same thing enough times.

Oops, that'll offend some folks.

Have a nice life.

Not that offended.
RAPERAPERAPE

BARYARYBARY

Nothing is sacred, nor should it be.

Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

Could God make a fart so foul that it made Himself gag?

No. There is no god so it's not possible.

Well, that's one question answered.


What's the longest length of dildo ever fully inserted into a human?

Does folding it count?

I'm gonna allow bends with a minimum radius of 3 inches. No sharper.

Two feet.

Someone linked to that video a couple weeks ago...
(It still haunts my worst nightmares)

They did hear?

I remember seeing a link to it somewhere, but I did not click it. Was it really on Assetbar?

Yeah, I did. And I made some statements about how people with weak stomachs or other medical conditions (such as being Young or Naive) should not watch it.

No. You cannot petition the Lord with FARTS.

Can you give me sanctuary?

I must find a place to hide.

From the FARTS!!!

You better watch out-
You better not cry-
You better not shout,
I'm telling you why-

Only Grace....can save you...
From the FARTS!!!

I must shit...

IN SEEECRET!!

Mona... Ayngela... Dayniel... Samayntha...

I just have no life, what else am I going to do?

Noone is ever on the assetbar facegroup.

I am.

You should talk to me there.

you mean the facebook group? Okay. Also, why not the irc channel?

I don't even know what IRC is, and because I will be at work.

Chat rooms, basically. Go to mibbit.com if you want to try it out.

Oh I was chatting w/ RedPhillip the other day (did i fuck up his name, oh god i hope not) but my computer kept doing locking up the window. Firewalls?

Maybe. I don't think I actually have a firewall. I should get on that.

I might not have one either, I just made that up.

Ignorami*

AWP!

I had a Global Hypercolor T-Shirt. The Grey/Peach version. Awesome. But I never had hair like that.

Oh, horny-onset diabetes. You're the worst diabetes of all.

Wait. I mean the best diabetes of all.

Breast diabetes. Breast.

Horny-onset diabetes? Ha! That is an amazingly awesome phrase just to say. Thank you, Ray. Thank you all the heck.

Mr. Onsstad, I appreciate the Blade Runner reference in the last panel. Like, a lot.

Anyone else notice the Watchmen reference in the title?

I just thought it was a Clitoris reference.

Oh well, since literature is all about interpretation I guess we're both right!

A bit out of character for Ray, though. Beef would have seen the movie several times and read the book. Sadly, I cannot now remember whether that particular line was used in the book so I will have to re-read it tonight.

Uh oh, here I ho again:

Textventurequest, a tale of mirth and passion in a moist alley

Clarification. I did half the illustrations. There are Achewood references.

Did you write this? Clearly it was made by someone who reads Achewood.

Question answered.

Awesome game, but page 203 should be titled "Hey look over there it is a thing", not "Explosives!". That's 204.

Just, so, uh, you know. Not that it bothered me because I have OCD AND IT IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND IDON'TAPPRECIATEYOUMKAINGFUNOFITINYOURGAME WAAAAAAAH.

No, but seriously, neat game.

No you're stupid

Game Over

I spent the whole game trying to kill Jerl. Why did I get fucked so much?

The game hates sass.

And it loves my ass.

I concur. They should leave, but not before Ray tells the lady how he really feels.

Ray is going Super Saiyan in panel 7.

the next seven strips are him charging up to kill Connie.

See the thrilling conclusion, only 49.95 !

Is that Forty-nine episodes and some commercials? That show took for [swear word] ever.

Then everyone dies and is wished back to life. It is the easiest way to create drama without actually offing any characters.

and the three thereafter will be the two arguing.

'oh! i will totally beat you up!' (triumphant pose)
yeah right... (smug eyes-closed grin)
'what??' (fist raised in anger)
YEAH RIGHT!! (smug eyes-closed grin, mouth opens wider this time)
'oh. well, i WILL!' (now twitchy fist raised in anger)
is that right? (looking-up smug-grin)
'arghhhhh, you better believe it, loser!' (close-up of yelling face)
WHAT?? grrrr...
*both going 'GRRRRRRRR'* (red/blue diagonal screen split, white 'speed' lines wooshing vertically)

tune in for another exciting episode tomorrow!

Oh man. Ray fires an anchor, hits state, and proceeds with Alpha game on autopilot... then he's like "Oh fuck!".

Ross Jeffries is sleazy. Mystery is unnecessarily freaky. Nowadays better material is available for free - e.g. search for mASF. Looks like Ray is running Gunwitch method.

Being a stripper, Polly has no doubt run into a few hundred of dudes like this by now.

On that note, Cornelius is the kind of guy they'd be awestruck by... due to his amazing success, he'd be revered as a "natural". (Come to think of it, Cornelius is a pretty good match for the archetype David D is talking about in his programs)

You'd have people studying his style and coming up with routines that would wind up posted online and horribly overused.

Overdressed guy with fake accent and spectacles: "I say, ..."
Girl: "Oh fuck no, you're the third one tonight."

yo dogg, where you sarge at?

In the past .
Exclusively. Ah, memories.

The last panel is most definitely Ray's "A BLOO BLUH BLOO!" face. He's trying to keep it together, but it isn't working so well. The floodgates are about to burst!

I thought we were past this. Panels 3 and 4? That's just some straight up amateur shit right there. Onstad hasn't used "post-it style" exposition since around the time when Pat became a nice guy. It's a cheap trick, and I do not care for it.

I know this post will probably get lamed into submission, but I just had to get that off my chest.

It is pretty lame and violates the "show, don't tell" rule that they taught us in middle school.

At least that's what the gym teacher taught us in the locker room.

I don't mind it. Reminds me of those old films. Builds suspense. You come back from the visual break and you just know Something Special Is About To Happen.

... I think the clumsiness is the joke, dear.

Of course the guy/gal with Simon Amstel as his avatar would say something like that. Fantastic show, BTW, I wish it would make it to the States, but I know it never will.

Is... Is Ray...bald?

A comment left by desert_donkey was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by Scorpio_nadir, aHatOfPig, whiteturtle, ashoykh)

If you have ever lived in California, that seventh panel is made of the stuff that breaks funny bones.

i m fel "senti-mental" is oaky ib i twok abot mums?

b sur 2 b nize 2 ur mum, k i m sur she is nize 2

Ah h8 ur post.

lam aweh, fkrs.

Happy Birthday Autre!

aww thank you!! :0)

(a note to my grandchildren who are googling me in the future: please don't tell anyone how your grandmother spent her 20th birthday making mspaints of iconic 90s advertising figures eating each other)

Happy birthday! I'd concoct some kind of amusing prose to celebrate your ascencion to the Third Decade, but it would likely put me in mind of a three year-old handing Magritte a drawing of a smiley face (Sun? It is unclear) done in purple crayon. Magritte smiles and thanks the child, but he is secretly unimpressd.

Happy birthday!

*huggles*

It's actually pretty funny.. I was moving my cubicle from one part of the building to another, and found a post-it that I had made when you told assetbar a few months ago... I had lost it, and refound it on the appropriate day. So far, it's been a fortuitous day.

I hope you can come back tomorrow and tell us if it ended on a similar note. Not like did you have sex with Brad Pitt, but if it was still nice and such.

Well.. I did win two dolla in the lottery.

Fuck yes, a good way to end the day.

Congratulations Kamet, you can invest in another ticket.

Or approximately one share of Ford Motor Company. Take your pick.

I'd rather have the lottery ticket. At least it has a chance of paying off another $2.

Happy birthday! Now you get to make all sorts of disparaging comments about teenagers.

Yeah, happy birthday autopoopie; you are awesome!

ur birf deh prees is u get 2 let me clean ma gentles in ur boewles

Many happy returns. Don't take any wooden nickels, kiddo.

Yes. Happy b-day, ap. Now get off the damn computer and go do something fun.

fun? it that the bright orb which sears my skin?

(how's my nerd-dude impression?)

Many hippy returns of the day, kid.

Hey I never really respond to your comments, but Happy Birthday. Birthday Celebrations are important.

Happy birthday otherpoopy

Happy birthday, you rascal!

woah woah, what's with the two full frames of outside narration? is there precedent for this or what?

Yes.

Also featured in:
Hyah
and
myah
and
brah

Actually I just found out, search "Narrator" and you'll find those types and more.

https://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uuaRwt2zc

I was just reading some comics.

I was just wondering, if anyone has seen an interview or something that I haven't that explains this: does anyone know how Chris does Achewood? Meaning tools, programs, etc. Just out of curiosity, because lots of other webtoonists (new word? Lets hope) demonstrate their method/tech etc.

How is this in any way relevant? If you don't know, you've never drunk it.

I've had very much of it, but still have no idea of it's relevance here. All it does is make me wish like hell that I wasn't at work.

You said you did not see the relevance
[i]And yet that is exactly what I see here[i]

FUCK YOU TELESCREEN FOR KILLING AN ALREADY DEAD JOKE IT SHOULD HAVE READ LIKE THIS:


You said you did not see the relevance
And yet that is exactly what I see here

Ah, I see.

[inside: nah I'm fucking with you, could you please explain what the relevance is]

I imagined that the relevance was that Duvel is so delicious that you should drink it at all times and that you should always be happy to see a picture of it no matter what. I found it relevant in that way.

I am so fucking proud of you. This expensive beer is for you.

$9 a bottle? That shit better be made of unicorns and orgasms. PAH!

First of all, sir, it is eight dollars where I am for a seven hundred and fifty milliliter bottle. That is wine bottle size for my fellow americans not accustomed to such measurements. A four pack is 14 dollars. Trust me though, it only hurts to buy it up until you take the first sip and the bubbles....well, just try it for yourself.

Secondly, Duvel has led to orgasms on many an occasion.


I need to find some Duvel and buy it. I like to drink slightly expensive and delicious beer.

If ever you need an orgasm in your beverage, give me a call.

OOH LA LA!

i bet it was a real hot idea

Good avatar/comment synergy, Shake

He always says very Shake things, I've got my eye on him.

Dear Assetbar,

I don't think much about this kind of thing or anything, and I don't expect anyone else to care about it either, but just for the record I want to note (if only to my future self) that on this day, 12/3/08, I did receive my three thousandth chubb dogg.

Thank you and goodnight.

dear rowboat,

you really blew it this time!

now you take that chubby and you bury it in the back yard! this one too! SCRAM!

Who do you think you are, putting on such airs?

You are so ARROGANT!

*jealous*

Man, you're, like, five awesome photoshop jobs away from being here.

Hey future self, you made your 1000th comment on this same day. Whether to attach any significance to this event, I do not know.

Hey that is kind of neat rowboat, that is okay for you to tell us.

3,000? Man, I hardly noticed you yet. Congrats.

dear everyone, do not go to jail.

sincerely,
cpnglxynchos.

Bad expierience there, princess?

the only time i was afraid was when they moved me from my medium-security quadrant to the ridiculously-low-security space, which was basically a frat house where you know everybody's made a mistake. also, at County you don't make 'special friends'. single-stall showers help that fact. also, there are so many illegals in there. dag, yo. so. many.

suffice to say, it is a Great Miracle i am out and a walkin', talkin' proof that prayer works.

i missed a few of you and was glad to see i'd only missed a few comics.

the end.

Wait. Is that where you've been?
Is it out of line to ask what you did?

When I was about your age, someone I respected assured me that jail was no fun at all, and so I have never been.

It's a little shocking to find out that you were incarcerated, and I truly hope that you didn't do lasting damage to your future prospects.

ps: irondave is a known conservative. The "iron" stands for "ironclad infallibility of our system of laws". The "dave", I am sure, stands for Super Dave Osborne.

irondave, I don't care if you are "actually more of a libertarian". I don't have anything against you regardless. Fun gets poked wherever it wants to.

I guess I don't really understand the point of your post, here.

I was kind of wondering myself, but didn't want to say anything for fear of starting a huge debate.

You'd be surprised at who ends up in jail. The nerdiest, most harmless, and most "straight-shooter" type of all my friends (he gets sleepy if we stay out past 10pm and will categorically turn down a joint if someone passes it to him) is also the only one who's been incarcerated. He was at a party and someone decided it would be a good idea to sneak into the town pool after hours. He spent a night at the station.

Cops in suburban NJ really have nothing better to do.

Yo, maybe you'll laugh about it one day.
If I told you my tales of when I was your age , you'd swear it was Busted , a gonzo fanfic. You would definitely laugh.

Tell us PapaScorpio, please tell us!

Long story. It just went on and on and on. Like being inside a movie called the 1970's. Well, the one episode I was thinking about, I got busted twice in 1 week, once in a Federal Park in West Texas. 6 of us for a roach. Do they still call it that?

Some of the highlights included the 3 lesbians from Maine with a van full of drogas, much of which one of them flushed down a porta-potty, telling the deputy Dawg she was having her period. "She's ministratin', Captain!"
"Okay, let her go to the restroom."
Gotta love those rednecks.
Another was my agreeing to get a haircut while in jail so I didn't get the living shit beat out of me like the guy in the cell next to me, who didn't want a haircut. He got a very bad one anyway, along with a couple black eyes and scalp cuts. They cottoned right up to me after that.
Another was them knowing that matchboxes were used for holding pot in, but not knowing what the blotter acid inside it was, and subsequently returning that to me when I signed out my possessions.
It went on and on.

Yep, those were the days, everybody "holding," cops way behind on what we were getting high on. I got pulled over for a busted tail light, and one of my passengers had a big slab of Lebanese sandstone hasg in her waistband. I hopped out and talked nice to the ossifers, and they let me go with a warning. Much later, I did do a little "drunk and disorderly" time in Chicago. Don't get locked up there!

You guys are just like Mr.Bear!

I never thought I'd hit 30. Or want to. We really didn't have gameplans.

TOO LATE.

that is pretty terrible.

trouble found my porch light on. more like, temptation was calling and i wasn't wise enough to hit the 'ignore' key.

epic fail.

What?

It's why he went to jail, I guess.

YES.

Assetbaring on 3 ambien = good, bad, terrible idea?

Sleepy idea.

Yo, Ambien!

Unoriginal idea. Although I can't remember who it was last time.

Her mouth opens, his does not. They are both Bears. Does Mr. Bear have a mustache?

In the beginning, she had the Teodor mouth, which was frightening. Now she has the Molly mouth, which makes her indistinguishable.

I wish she had something else.

in the first two panels it looks like ray's been hitting the gym pretty fierce lately. he's missing hell of chub.

Pages like this are why replies need to be able to go as far to the right as they like instead of piling up on the right edge of the screen. Hey, assetbar gods! You listening?

'you can pray to whatever God you choose.
you can scream and curse and shout until your voice runs ragged. and still it makes NO difference.

and you know that if it ever did relent..
it would not be because it cared.'

- misquote

Are you saying that the reply threads should be like the Bush Administration?

ZING!

Avast! I have been zung! And by one of the most accomplish Masters of the form.

Egad, but I have been brought low. I fear I shan't have much more time with which to... AURUGLEESSHsshhh.....k.

Holy shit revalation

I thought Right wing was
<------- that way

Well dang. Now I gotta rethink all my political opinions.


stussy? i know thats a clothing brand, but i havent come across it very much.