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Talking with Ramses Friday, March 17, 2006 • read strip Viewing 68 comments:

Don't rap mush with me.

hush

There is a hella lotta hushin happening in the Fight

The Man With Blood on his Hands can lay down a mean hush just like he can lay down a gin-soaked dockworker

Hush

You can't hack a furious Nazi from San Bernardino, you gotta put your fists up.

I can't crawl, see, or cry for you baby.

You made your bed, now severely beat your friend in it!

I can tell all my favourite ones by when I have the alt text memorised.

This gets a 5 just because of the alt text.

Agreed. Even out of context the alt text is funny, I find myself saying to myself when I walk around the city.

I'd like to do that, but I suspect they wouldn't be my friends after I'd done so... PLUS I tend to pick my few friends based on their own capacity for violence, so chances are I wouldn't win.

I thought the alt text contained some gross inuendo suggesting a circle jerk.
I wonder if the author intended this, I hope he didn't.

The Jeeps scare me just as much as they do Roast Beef.
Think about playing football and then getting shot.
ah!

"Hush Ray" always makes me giggle.

Beef has an instant rapport with Rodney. Rodney can see Beef is a stoic man like himself.

Ray reminding his father that he was "from Sondra"... because Ramses is that kind of dude, or just because they're cats? Hmm.

Maybe both?

...And now the Dornheim story raises this question again.

I think it is pulled more from just what type of dude Ramses is and here is why. Cats in this world are obviously capable of being committed to a relationship, ie molly and beef, but Ramses has another son who rarely sees his father as well. The man is like snow in Nevada, he doesn't come around much but when he does you will remember it.

I don't comment all that much...But this strip is basically a gift.

This strip is basically treasure.

Hee hee all on the internet with a piece of treasure

I can't get over how cool Ramses is. He asks Beef to speak, only to hush him up, and Beef is just overjoyed to even be acknowledged by the man.

Ramses can tell a fanboy like Beef when he sees one, and fanboys be all giving you their life story the second you let their lips fly so you need to just cold hush them as soon you obtain the pertinent information you requested.

Beef is so polite and agreeable with Ray's dad, the same way he is with Ray's mom. For different reasons though.

Beef won't sass Sondra because of their history.

Beef won't sass Ramses because if he does he'll BE history.

"roast beef, do i have to hush him?"

5/5

The timing in my head is absolutely golden. Like Ramses Luther doesn't miss a beat. It's his conversation, and that's just the way it is.

DC

The rules specified in that last panel are also used in croquet.

from Sondra

In the Achewood movie, Ramses will be played by Morgan Freeman. Or...hm. Possibly James Earl Jones. Help me out here.

Probably James Earl Jones. Ray doesn't strike me as being black, most likely, so Morgan Freeman would be a little... odd...

NOTICE: James Earl Jones, too, is black.

Wow, I'm an idiot. I'm gonna go die in a fire now.

Go to a dungeon. And whenever I read a comic out loud, I always voice ray like a black man. I don't remember who said it, but I describe his voice as "miles davis in an interview conducted by white people".

Ray always struck me as being black, anthropomorphically speaking. I'd probably go into further detail as to why that is, but I've just realised with some consternation that I don't actually know any African Americans, so the judgment on my part was pretty much entirely based on American sitcoms.

At first, all three cats seemed to be black, to me, and Teodor's desire to both out-dirty and please them seemed to be Sheltered White Kid Anxieties. Pat now seems like a cross between black 'Nam vets I've known and ridiculous Santa Cruz white kids. Roast Beef seemed pretty black until he called himself a "whigger," and what white cartoonist in the U.S. would give a black guy a backstory like that?

Then I decided: cats can have a nationality, such as Mexican, but they cannot actually have a human race . It is almost impossible for a cat to be African-American, and extraordinarily odd for a cat to meaningfully be European-American. Some cats might be ethnocentric, but they are inherently post-racist: they might identify with one human-American subculture more than another, but it's nonsense, or, at most, fashion: like the original white hippies, they can change their racial affiliation as easily as changing clothes.

Then I remembered that consistency was the enemy of comedy and vowed never to type this on Assetbar.

Beef's from a poor Greek Catholic family. I'd lay Ray's father's family down as being African-American analogued, at least in part, and his mother's French Catholic.

Tagrineth does Ray strike you as being white

To be perfectly honest? Ray strikes me as being a cat .

Every single word of this comment is incorrect. How's that fire comin'?

I've always read Ray's line's with Isaac Hayes voice, so Ramses voice has gotta be hella gravelly like Barry White or tangently, Sam Elliott circa Roadhouse. If you've ever seen the film he's basically the same character as Ramses.

I hear Ramses as Michael Clarke Duncan, myself, and it's not so much a race thing as an "ultralow voice commands respect" thing.

"How'd we do, dad? How'd we look?"

This is the saddest thing.

Philippe, Philippe, Philippe. The saddest thing is when a son, having met his long lost father for the first time, asks for some sign of his approval, but the father ignores it, and then goes on to explain to his son that he has no choice but to beat his best friend to near death.

Hell of such as yearning for acceptance by father motif.

A comment left by woodenteeth was marked lame too many times and excluded. (marked lame by Lord_Rama, Troy_Convers, mattylite)

Wow, I never saw it that way. Ramses is kind of a jerk, even if he is named after Egyptian royalty. He's being a grade A cock to his own son!

I'm actually quite looking forward to Ramses eating some kind of strangely baked humble pie. Perhaps Nice Pete will serve it.

No.

Yes?

Maybe.

The rule he was having trouble seeing past was one concerned with ruthless beating, and he was pro-beating. That's easily forgivable.

You receive one (1) chubby.

Nah man, you're reading this all wrong. Ramses is challenging them. He's telling them what is excepted of them and leaving the decision of how to carry it out to them. Beef kind of mentions something similar to Ray after the fight is over, but that's as much foreshadowing as I want to do here.

Yes. I like this reading. A bit of a hardenupprincess technique. I like it.

I imagine Ramses's voice as similar to that of Alec Baldwin.

Fuck you, that's my name.

Actually it is Ramses.

When Ray's long-lost father comes to visit him, approaching him specifically at a massive event - an event where Ray is at that very moment becoming a national celebrity - Ray assumes that his father will not know who he is . And immediately tries to remind him. What a tragic, tragic story. Ray sees himself as entirely insignificant and unworthy of his father's love.

Oh cough splutter I'm sorry I meant RAY SMUCKLES HE GETS THINGS DONE. AND CORNELIUS WASN'T REALLY CRYING IN THAT ONE STRIP BECAUSE HE'S SO BADASS.

If I was Ray, I'd feel pretty insignificant in Ray's position too. I mean, you consider how much of a legend his father is and how little known he is. I mean, Ray is, after all, that guy you do not want people to know beat you down (Prior to this), and a guy who's bands on his own label don't know who he is. Whereas Ramses has done an untold number of bad-ass things, the amount of which surely outweigh Ray's wacky shenanigans.

[IMGS OFF]

This is basically what this strip is all about if you disregard the dialog.

I'll always remember this scene because it is the scene that taught me the word "avenge"

That movie taught me more than K - 12.

And now, 1 year later, Assetbar has seen fit to take away our images, and this conversation no longer makes any sense.

If I remember correctly, it was a screen shot from the movie Red Dawn ; specifically, it was from the scene where Harry Dean Stanton's character is talking to his Wolverine son through the gate of a detention camp (where he instructs his son to avenge him)

Ah, now it makes sense. Awesome.

You remember correctly.

Favorite alt text. You know, I've read this arc thrice now and my heart still clenches in anticipation of the heroic choice ray will opt for.